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China, Pakistan, Central-Asia Military Watch

[b][url="http://www.samachar.com/Pak-Army-quietly-names-453-soldiers-killed-in-Kargil-War-kltiKtabebg.html"]Pak Army quietly names 453 soldiers killed in Kargil War[/url]


Quote:2010-11-19 07:54:31


Islamabad: Eleven years after the Kargil War, the Pakistan Army which has been denying its role in the conflict has quietly put the names of 453 soldiers and officers killed in the battle on its website.

Proof of the involvement of regular Pakistani soldiers in the 1999 Kargil War over a string of strategic heights in the Kargil sector of the Line of Control in 1999 has come from an institution that spent years denying its role in the hostilities with India ? the Pakistan Army.

The 453 Pakistani soldiers were shown killed in Batalik-Kargil sector in Jammu and Kashmir.

The names of those who died in Kargil are tucked away in a list of thousands of personnel killed while on duty that has been posted in the "Shuhada's Corner" (Martyrs Corner) of the website.

Reminds me of what Air Chief Mehra saab, when he shared his anguish with me about having an enemy army that is so low on honour and dignity, to not even claim their dead who died in Kargil.
What's up with leaked pics of so called Chinese stealth fighter?

It looks big (compared to F 22 and PAKFA)

According to Washington post news report (December 2010),


China still depends on Russia not only for jet Engines but also for other weapons as well.

I think neither China nor India can become an independent air power without an indigenous engine.

So called Jxxx stealth is most likely powered by 117s Russian engines (China also placed an order for 300 AL-31 Russian engines in 2005 for J10s (old news) and planning to order more engines for its other fighters J11s, from Chernyshev plant, Russia)

It does not mean Jxxx design is not a copy. J-20 or Jxxx is certainly similar to the MiG 1-42 and 1-44, F22 and even F35

IAF wanted Mig to build its stealth fighter but Russians preferred sukhoi.

Indian stealth fighter (AMCA) would be interesting (I feel more focus will be on stealth for AMCA)
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[url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/china-media-report-mystery-stealth-fighter-photos/"] link[/url]


BEIJING (AP) — Photos leaked online that appear to show a prototype of China’s first stealth fighter jet were discussed in state media Wednesday — a move that supports claims the country’s military aviation program is advancing faster than expected.

Both the English and Chinese language editions of the Global Times ran front-page articles on the photos of what appears to be a future J-20 fighter, along with extensive reports on the buzz the pictures have generated overseas.

Photos of the plane appeared on unofficial military news websites and hobbyist blogs last week and were still viewable Wednesday

[url="http://www.expressindia.com/story_print.php?storyId=788722"]Army warns PM: China can deploy 500,000 troops on LAC[/url]

Quote:Shishir Gupta Posted: May 11, 2011 at 0007 hrs

New Delhi China now has the capability to deploy and sustain more than half-a-million troops for over a month on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in case of a high threat scenario with India. Combining deft defence diplomacy with India’s neighbours and major infrastructure upgradation in restive Xinjiang and Tibet, Beijing is expected to be increasingly assertive towards New Delhi and may put pressure on Arunachal Pradesh in near future.

This threat perception and assessment in the form of a presentation in South Block was given to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Defence Minister A K Antony, National Security Adviser S S Menon, Principal Secretary T K Nair and Defence Secretary Pradeep Kumar by the Indian military brass last month.

While the government is tight-lipped about the presentation, the military brass told the PM that Chinese PLA has acquired the capability to deploy 34 troop divisions (one division has 23,000 troops) along the LAC in case of a high threat scenario by pulling out troops from Chengdu and Lanzhou military regions. When compared to the Indian strength of nine holding divisions along the northern borders, the PLA with a defence budget estimated at $150 billion holds overwhelming advantage.

As part of major infrastructure upgradation in Tibet and Xinjiang, China is doing the following:

Connection with all counties in Tibet with border roads completed. Road network increased from 51,000 km in 2008 to 58,000 km in 2010. Plans to increase black topped roads by another 70,000 km on the anvil.

Extension of Qinghai-Tibet Railway from Golmund to Lhasa and thereon to Shigatse (close to Sikkim). Rail connectivity is planned to link Kathmandu, Myanmar, Bhutan, Pakistan and Central Asian republics. Eleven new rail lines on the anvil in Tibet and Xinjiang for rapid deployment of PLA.

There are eight airfields in Tibet, including five operational ones; 18 air bases in Tibet and Xinjiang have the capability to put India under range of Sukhoi 27 aircraft.

The Indian security concerns get multiplied when this Chinese advantage is backed with an all-weather friend like Pakistan. Beijing is in the process of supplying four F-22 frigates along with JF-17 aircraft to Islamabad. PLA has pushed some 1,000 troops in PoK for upgradation of Karakoram Highway and to link it with sea ports of Karachi, Gwadar and Bin Qassim. This will not only give strategic depth to Pakistan but also allow PLA to control the Persian Gulf.

China’s Dong Fang Electric Supply Corporation and Pakistan Railways have also signed a feasibility study contract on a Havelian-Khunjerab Pass rail link. The military brass also gave information on Chinese inroads into Nepal, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

[url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-rejects-Pakistans-naval-base-request/articleshow/8558817.cms?prtpage=1"]China rejects Pakistan's naval base request[/url]

Quote:Saibal Dasgupta, TNN | May 24, 2011, 09.05pm IST BEIJING: Apparently jolted by the [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Taliban"]Taliban[/url] attack on Pakistan's naval base, China on Tuesday indicated it would not invest funds on creating another naval base in that country.

Chinese foreign ministry said it had not seen any proposal to build a naval base in Pakistan. The statement amounts to a rejection of Pakistani defense minister Ahmad Mukhtar's claim that his government was pushing [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Beijing"]Beijing[/url] to build a naval base near the Gawdar port.

"China and Pakistan are friendly neighbors. Regarding the specific [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=China-Pakistan%20cooperative%20project"]China-Pakistan cooperative project[/url] that you raised, I have not heard of it," [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Jiang-Yu"]Jiang Yu[/url], Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman told a regular news conference in Beijing.

This is a reject of Mukhtar's claim that China had "acceded to Pakistan's request to take over operations" of the Gwadar port. "However, we shall be more grateful to the Chinese if they agree to build naval base at Gwadar," the Pakistani defense minister said last Saturday.

Jiang's statement is significant because it comes after the Taliban attack on a naval base in Pakistan, and the four-day China tour by the country's prime minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani.

"It's my understanding that during the visit last week this issue was not touched upon," Jiang said.

The [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=Gwadar%20port"]Gwadar port[/url] was built in 2007 with Chinese assistance amounting to $200 million. Pakistan has since been asking Beijing to put more money for expanding the capabilities at the port.

Pakistan's purpose is to show the [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/United-States"]United States[/url] that it has an alternative source of funding if Washington cuts off aid. The strategy has been punctured by the statement by the Chinese foreign ministry, which has rejected funding both for port expansion and the naval base.

Jiang also indicated China's assistance program was mainly aimed at welfare of the people rather than military assistance.

"For a long time China has done its utmost to provide help to Pakistan and we hope this
[url="http://www.dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9MjkzMTI="] Pakistan doesn’t have the capacity to fight a war with India for 45 days[/url]
Quote:In a shocker, Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar has opened a verbal front against his own country.

In an interview with a western broadcasting company, the worthy defence minister said Pakistan’s military might is half that of India’s. He also said Pakistan doesn’t have the capacity to fight a war with India for 45 days.

Ahmed Mukhtar went a step further to reveal that the government of Pakistan knew where the Taliban were. It’s not difficult to trace and contact them (the Taliban), he said.

He, however, added that the Abbottabad operation that killed Osama bin Laden was not security’s failure.
[url="http://www.deccanherald.com/content/186186/china-deploys-advanced-css-5.html"]China deploys advanced CSS-5 MRBMs on Indian border: US[/url]
Quote:China has deployed more advanced and survivable solid-fuel nuclear capable CSS-5 MRBM missiles against India as a 'deterrent posture', Pentagon has said warning that a high degree of mistrust continues to strain their bilateral ties.

The PLA has replaced liquid-fueled, nuclear-capable CSS-2 IRBMs with more advanced and survivable solid-fueled CSS-5 MRBM systems to strengthen its deterrent posture relative to India, the Pentagon has said in its annual report on Chinese military build up to the Congress.

The report also says that Beijing is pumping in huge investments on border infrastructure developments laying more roads and rail network along the Sino-Indian border.

"Although this construction is primarily aimed at facilitating economic development in western China, improved roads could also support PLA border defense operations," it said.

Pentagon said that New Delhi remains concerned by China's close military ties with Pakistan and its growing footprints in the Indian Ocean, Central Asia and Africa.
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[url="http://www.deccanherald.com/content/186186/china-deploys-advanced-css-5.html"]China deploys advanced CSS-5 MRBMs on Indian border: US[/url]


Possibly another excuse for India to order some more weapons and military aircrafts and for someone to walk away with commissions! Is war with China a real possibility is what I question?
its all dangerous stunt i have a huge respect for the army man they are too good they worked hard they think for others only instead of caring of his own life i salute to them ... they all do and learn for the life of we all ... so must tribute to them ...
its all dangerous stunt i have a huge respect for the army man they are too good they worked hard they think for others only instead of caring of his own life i salute to them ... they all do and learn for the life of we all ... so must tribute to them ...
its all dangerous stunt i have a huge respect for the army man they are too good they worked hard they think for others only instead of caring of his own life i salute to them ... they all do and learn for the life of we all ... so must tribute to them ...

[center][url="http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/NightWatch/NightWatch_11000182.aspx"]For the Night of 2 September 2011[/url]


Quote:[center][left]Tajikistan-Russia: An agreement for a Russian military base in Tajikistan will be extended for 49 years, Russian President Medvedev said on 2 September. Medvedev and Tajik President Rakhmon reached the agreement during a meeting in Dushanbe.


Medvedev said the leaders told the departments and agencies concerned with the agreement that it would be extended for 49 years. The agreement is scheduled to be signed in the first quarter of 2012. Russia will train, re-equip and modernize the Tajik army in exchange for the extension the military base lease.

Comment: After a brief US interlude, Central Asia is returning to normality. Normality means that the Russians are the closest and most powerful protectors of Central Asians from domination by the Han Chinese. The Russians are reasserting their strategic interests.

The Americans are just too far away to be timely and reliable. In any event, the Americans are going home from Central Asia soon, as Asians measure time. [/left]

[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/Another-Chinese-intrusion-in-Ladakh/H1-Article1-745222.aspx"]Another Chinese intrusion in Ladakh?[/url]
Quote:Two Chinese helicopters, along with seven to eight troopers on board, flew into Indian territory along the Line of actual Control (LAC) in Chumur area of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir last month and damaged “unused bunkers” of India, before flying back undetected and unchallenged.

This has been stated in a report sent by Leh district administration to the state government, highlighting the point that while the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) deployed in the area has sent the report of this incident to the ministry of home affairs, local administration was kept in dark, official sources told Hindustan Times.

Well, Indian Airforce was sleeping with ManMohan Singh.
[url="http://www.samachar.com/Chinese-troops-present-in-PaK-Army-Chief-lkgbKcjgjid.html?utm_source=top_slot_top_stories&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=samachar_homepage"]Chinese troops present in PaK: Army Chief[/url]

Quote:2011-10-06 05:30:00

New Delhi: Around 4,000 Chinese including the troops of the People’s Liberation Army of China are in Pakistan-administered -Kashmir (PaK), Army Chief Gen V K Singh said Wednesday amid the unease in the Indian establishment over their presence there.

“There are certain construction working teams, a large number is available. Around 3,000 to 4,000 of these people are present including certain people for security purposes. There are certain engineers troops. Now (like) our own engineers are combat engineers. [color="#8B0000"]So, in some way they are part of the PLA,” he told reporters here[/color]. {Arun" WTF is this? coming from Indian Army Chief!}

The Army Chief was responding to a query on the presence of Chinese Army troops in the PaK on the sidelines of the 16th Field Marshal K M Cariappa Memorial Lecture delivered by National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon.

The statement comes against the backdrop of concerns in India about the presence and engagement of Chinese troops in PaK, which India considers as its own land.

IAF Chief N A K Browne had made this clear when he said in an interview that increasing presence of China in PaK warrants India’s “attention”. New Delhi has already conveyed its concerns to China over the presence of its troops in PaK and its activities in that region.

Last year, there were reports of presence of about 11,000 Chinese troops in Jammu and Kashmir’s Gilgit-Baltistan region held by Pakistan but Beijing said there was no wrong-doing.

Recently, a senior Indian Army commander had said that Chinese are are mainly engaged in construction activities of highways and dams in PaK as well as the northern areas which are very close to the LoC.

Asked about the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir, Gen Singh said the terrorist infrastructure across the Line of Control was intact and a large number of militants are trying to infiltrate.

“The militant infrastructure (across the LoC) is intact. A concentration of large number of militants on the other side exists and they are trying to infiltrate. We are making sure that their efforts fail,” the Army chief said.

Gen Singh said efforts are being made to step up infiltration from across the LoC but the Army was alert and ready to face any threat.
GOI seems desperate to keep the LAC quiet. Thus GOI turns the other cheek on Chinese intrusions. The official GOI response about the non-delineation of the LAC being responsible for these intrusions does not wash as China has blocked all efforts to delineate the line. It seems it is a deliberate Chinese policy to keep on provoking GOI.
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/digging-china-nuclear-tunnels-013008319.html"]Digging into China’s nuclear tunnels[/url]
Quote:The study is yet to be released, but already it has sparked a congressional hearing and been circulated among top officials in the Pentagon, including the Air Force vice chief of staff.

Most of the attention has focused on the 363-page study’s provocative conclusion — that China’s nuclear arsenal could be many times larger than the well-established estimates of arms-control experts.

“It’s not quite a bombshell, but those thoughts and estimates are being checked against what people think they know based on classified information,” said a Defense Department strategist who would discuss the study only on the condition of anonymity.

The study’s critics, however, have questioned the unorthodox Internet-based research of the students, who drew from sources as disparate as Google Earth, blogs, military journals and, perhaps most startlingly, a fictionalized TV docudrama about Chinese artillery soldiers — the rough equivalent of watching Fox’s TV show “24” for insights into U.S. counterterrorism efforts.

But the strongest condemnation has come from nonproliferation experts who worry that the study could fuel arguments for maintaining nuclear weapons in an era when efforts are being made to reduce the world’s post-Cold War stockpiles.

China develops new ICBMs with 14,000 km strike range


But the Global Times – a newspaper controlled by China's Communist Party - disputed Western media reports of Dongfeng-41 tests being carried out last month.

It admitted China was developing the capability to put multiple warheads on its inter-continental ballistic missiles.

The new generation Dongfeng-41 is estimated to have a strike distance of 12,000 to 14,000 kilometres and armed with single, 3, 6, or even 10 multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle (MIRV) warheads.

The NYT, quoting a Congressional panel, said that US and other western powers might have underestimated the size of China's nuclear arsenal, suggesting that the new reports say that it currently had 55 to 65 ICBM.

The US experts also said that Beijing had separately tested Submarine launched missiles in recent weeks, which it could use to outflank American missile defence systems.


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