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Indian Interests

Sanku Wrote:
Pranav Wrote:Basic principle: Either you totally destroy an enemy, or you leave him alone.

Flawed, it assume that the world is Binary.

A while back Ramana had put up a magnificent essay into the "secret of longevity of Byzantine" -- every one who wants to talk geo-politics should read that.

On how greys the approach was, how clearly understood were the real political imperatives, how the basic memes of the civilization was carried forward under different wraps.

How finally the barbarians who defeated Byzantines ended up turning into copies of what the Empire was.

Three things are needed

1) Huge military power, kept in check, unleashed rarely but kept visible for all to see.

2) A clear national goal.

3) Un conventional means for times when total war was not being fought (sam, dam, danda, bheda) and sub-conventional warfare.
First, as a state that has long upheld, against almost insuperable odds, the principles of liberal democracy at home, can it really afford to entirely jettison them abroad? India's stature in global affairs is on the rise and the country legitimately hopes to secure a place for itself at the high table of international politics. Surely it cannot position itself as a moral exemplar if it chooses to so closely align itself with a brutally repressive regime on its borders?

Second, even if one were to set aside these moral and ethical considerations, is there any guarantee that India's courtship of this deeply unpopular and profoundly cruel regime will genuinely yield all that it seeks in commercial, security and diplomatic realms? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...lenews_wsj
Many politicians, officials and diplomats are actually quite comfortable with this hypocrisy of not being seen to be close, friendly and helpful to businesses in public but willing to more than bat in private. But a new generation of proactive diplomats, in embassies around the world, are willing to be more supportive of Indian business, without having to compromise on professional ethics and personal integrity. This ought to be welcomed. http://www.business-standard.com/india/n...ss/407056/
Does anyone know why the 80 years limit was included in the nuke liability bill?
This is blackwater's (XE) entry in India at the behest of MM Singh and Chidambram.

As India overhauls homeland security, U.S. firms vie for its business

Quote:[size="2"]By [url="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/rama+lakshmi/"]Rama Lakshmi[/url] Washington Post Foreign Service

Saturday, September 18, 2010; 8:16 PM [/size]

NEW DELHI - At a sprawling exhibition hall in the capital, Indian military officers browsed displays of modern surveillance systems, sophisticated mine detectors, anti-hacking software and guns. They asked questions, took notes and scheduled meetings with company officials, setting in motion a major shopping spree.

In recent years, [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/india.html?nav=el"]India[/url] has secured billion-dollar defense deals with U.S. companies to modernize its military.[color="#0000ff"]<< ArunsS: Whah whah, what a self GOAL. It is not US companies that have secure Indian business, but India had to work hard to.get the privilege to secure (BUY) US product !! God save India from these wretched>>[/color] Now the country is overhauling its homeland security, and U.S. companies are again hoping to be first in line.

"As far as internal security goes, its strengthening and augmentation, there is going to be no dearth of money or resources," Ajay Maken, India's deputy home minister, said at the security conference this month.

After the terrorist attacks in Mumbai two years ago, authorities demanded better weapons and more sophisticated technology for police forces. Today, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray machines and bomb squads proliferate in airports, the Metro, malls, multiplexes and high-rises.

But analysts say the country's arsenal of domestic security weapons remains woefully inadequate in the battle against terrorism, separatist violence and Maoist guerrillas.

To upgrade its arsenal, India should turn to a "country which is strategically a friend of India," Maken said.

India and the United States have emerged as strong strategic allies since reaching a civilian nuclear accord that is likely to generate more than $100 billion worth of business. The two countries set up a counterterrorism cooperation initiative this year. Last month, Indian law enforcement and the FBI participated in a counterterrorism program that included sessions on improvised explosive devices and post-blast investigations.

"The two governments have outlined the 'what' of homeland security priority areas. The industry will now map the 'how,' said retired U.S. Adm. James Loy, a former deputy secretary of homeland security and commandant of the Coast Guard. "The American companies want to make a contribution in the areas of counterterrorism, police modernization, cyber-security and transport safety."

Business opportunities for security companies over the next few years will be worth nearly $1.7 trillion
, said Loy, who led a U.S. delegation to the conference this month.

Maken said India is also setting up a national intelligence database and modern crime tracking systems that prioritize cyber-security. "The more we are technologically advanced, the more is the threat of infiltration in our networking systems," he said.

India's internal security department has also bought long-range acoustic warning systems, sound guns and other devices from American companies.

In recent weeks, the country's police and paramilitary forces have been widely criticized for firing at stone-throwing teenage protesters in the troubled Himalayan valley of Kashmir. About 85 protesters have been killed this summer.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has directed state police chiefs to find nonlethal means to control mobs. That opened up opportunities for companies such as Taser International, an Arizona-based firm that set up an office in India after the Mumbai attacks and attended the homeland security conference this month.

In August, paramilitary forces and the Kashmir police department decided to buy Tasers, and the state's police officers are now learning how to use them. India's national police training school and commando force have also bought Tasers this year for training.

"Earlier, our force had weapons that were meant to kill," said P.M. Nair, inspector general of the Central Reserve Police Force. "But now we have introduced nonlethal weapons to deal with volatile situations in Kashmir or other demonstrations elsewhere in the country."


How India is undoing China's string of pearls

October 07, 2010 19:24 IST

New Delhi's defence establishment has quietly put in place India's own counter-measures to woo and bolster China's neighbours as a long-term strategy, says Nitin Gokhale

One of the least understood and less scrutinised facets of India's diplomacy is perhaps New Delhi's 'Look East' policy, now nearly two decades old.

Launched during Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao's regime primarily to try and integrate India's newly liberalising economy with that of the Asian 'tigers', that policy is now quietly evolving into a more robust military-to-military partnership with important nations in that region.
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How India is undoing China's string of pearls

October 07, 2010 19:24 IST

New Delhi's defence establishment has quietly put in place India's own counter-measures to woo and bolster China's neighbours as a long-term strategy, says Nitin Gokhale

One of the least understood and less scrutinised facets of India's diplomacy is perhaps New Delhi's 'Look East' policy, now nearly two decades old.

Launched during Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao's regime primarily to try and integrate India's newly liberalising economy with that of the Asian 'tigers', that policy is now quietly evolving into a more robust military-to-military partnership with important nations in that region.


I read this article and I don't how someone comes up with just articles. The article has nothing concrete identified. What exactly is India undoing? Defence minister, navy chief going and talking and then what? Do we have a naval base? Do we have a listening center? Whay did we do?

Somthing is either wrong with the reporting or just that we don't have anything at all.
As China, with an economy poised to become the world’s largest in next 15 years, casts its shadow over Asia and is desperate to fill the gaps Delhi has left in its neighbourhood, the question remains: Is India leaving the Asian realities for American dreams?

“Today, with the exception of Bhutan, India cannot count on a single all-weather friend in the region. From the Maldives in the west to Bangladesh and Myanmar in the east to Sri Lanka in the south, their national interests need not converge with Indian interests and a little bit of China on the side adds heft to smaller nations when dealing with ‘big brother’ India,” says security expert Brahma Chellaney. As for Pakistan, the lesser said the better it would be. http://www.dailypioneer.com/306260/West%...-envy.html

Why has India lost its strategic relevance in the neighbourhood? Analysts blame the UPA Government’s lackadaisical approach for this. They say Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has not paid a bilateral visit to a single SAARC nation during his six years in office.
Received in e-mail. Please dissect and analyze.

Quote:Here is the summary of the point that I said that I will send you an email.

1. 1980s - India progresses in nuke weapons program. Uncle wanted to cut it to no-nuke model.

2. 1990 - Cold war is won decisively by US and sees an opportunity for US to intervene deeply into India affairs.

3. 1991 to 1996 - Period of consolidation with spies and implantation of moles. MMS is the mole that they forced on PVNR to get the desperate help from IMF and WB

4. 1995 to 1998 - Internal politics - Mandal and Hindutva stuff caught uncle on the unexpected path. They thought there will never be something different from INC in India. Definition of MMS is the full article that is clarified in sites like magadhnagrik blog.

5. 1998 - 2004 - India goes nuclear and Uncle's plan of denuke using MMS had gotten drawbacks

6. 2004 onwards - Consolidation of uncle's new geo-political strategy. The salient points are

* Uncle's energy to control everything in the world all alone seems to have gone down. It realized broadly that it needs new circle of friends to help her to be in dominant role while not allowing its new friends to growing too much independently. India is definitely one marked for such a role. India will not be allowed to be independent but will have to be something like Pakistan but with little more respect.

* India's nuke deal is a classic example of allowing India to grow at a pace and timing of Uncle's needs and not India's wish.

* Uncle realized denuking India is a disaster of the future as China's ascent at a time when Uncle's population is graying will be an imminent threat

* Uncle realized that India is the best bet for countering China. It started multiples steps of programs. Fundamentally allow India to have nukes but only at a pace it needs to counter China. If India tried to break the logjam, Pakistan is always there.

* Process of controlling India: Uncle knows that India has wherewithal to break through the logjam. Hence the moles that started entering INC are very helpful at this time. It's strategy is to keep INC in power forever using the moles. Use the Sonia system to get the power via elections. Use MMS types for governance and get its things done. Though China may be our number one enemy, we are playing this number one enemy game at the behest of China and not on our independent strategy. MMS is very quick in being aggressive against China in terms of rhetoric and also body language. However, when it comes to Pakistan he goes through multiple SeS. Keeping a person in India that toes exactly what Uncle wants in India's foreign and nuclear policies is what US has achieved in the first decade of 21st century.

What other data to support this?

What other data to counter it?

If the premise is right how to break the paradigm? In what time period?
India has about 60 nukes,Pakistan plan to have a few hundreds(already has about 100), practically even more nukes the China has.
As 3G and 4G wireless connectivity becomes widespread over the next five years, it is a near-certainty that we'll see a rapid diffusion of low-cost tablet computers along with free or near-free applications aimed at self-learning, mobile banking as well as commercial productivity. India in 2025 could well emerge as one of the world's most connected and IT-savvy societies.

Fifth, India will almost certainly become a leading example of efficient resource utilisation, especially in energy. India relies on imports for a bigger proportion of its oil & gas needs than any other large emerging economy. The situation is likely to get worse, with sustained growth. The consequences are clear. One possible outcome is that India hits a resource-scarcity wall and economic growth comes to a screeching halt. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/arti...238752.cms

My comments: Mr. Gupta's rosy picture is morale booster but at the same time, his pointing to energy crunch leading to halt calls for looking solutions to energy renewable sources e.g. Tata is already looking into water as fuel for automobiles.
NEW DELHI: Home Minister P Chidambaram has said that he shared the disappointment of Manipur activist Irom Sharmila, who has been fasting for the last 10 years demanding the repeal of Armed Forces Special Powers Act in the state.

"I too am disappointed," Chidambaram said when asked to comment on Sharmila's recent regret over the government's failure to do anything about the controversial Act even 10 years into her struggle. "MHA is trying its best to revisit AFSPA. But one needs to build consensus," he pointed out, in an apparent reference to the stiff opposition of the Defence Ministry and the armed forces to any dilution in AFSPA. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...829347.cms These shameless politicians have already damaged the fabric of society by regularizing the division of society along casteist lines and now they want to weaken Armed Forces too. Simply don't call Army and deal it yourself.
The delay in defence procurements is indeed a matter of serious concern. It all started with the Bofor guns. As an aftereffect in almost every case of major procurements the decision making process has slowed down. In fact, no one wants to take a decision as he or she is afraid of a CBI probe.So the best way out is to continue with field trials followed by price negotiation and at the final stage to make a reference to a special committee.

This whole process has become counter productive. Today there is intense competition amongst the defence equipment suppliers. The more prolonged a deal , the more opportunity for the various players to influence the decision makers. In a number of recent cases, it will be observed that the deal had to be Called off at the final stage, as some kind of payoff or other kind of underhand dealing has come to light. The rival suppliers often plant stories in the media , trying to run down a particular product that may have been short listed by a committee of experts after prolonged field trials and other type of negotiations which may have taken several years to complete.

Take the case of Hawk jet trainers or most recently the scrapping of the maga helicopter when it was at its final stage of implementation. It is well know that all three wings of the Armed Forces are badly in need of replacements for the old Chetak and Cheethas. A fresh bidding process has started and it will not only cause delay but obviously there will be escalation in price.

It is high time that the decision makers both in the Government as well as in the Parliament should have a detailed discussion to set up a procurement machinery that can speed up matters, while ensuring that there is no scope for kick backs.
>>>The delay in defence procurements is indeed a matter of serious concern

What??? Well Babus/Congress are finding delay in filling Swiss banks.
Dear Mudiji,

Contrary to your general impression that it is only the Babus’ who get the cut in defence deals, it is other way round. No medium or large defence deal can take place in India without an active role being played by the political bosses. The general characteristics of the politicians irrespective of their political affiliation are almost identical. Therefore, to single out the bureaucrat or the politicians of a particular political party is not correct.

The decision making process in respect of defence procurement will have to be a part of the present movement being undertaken by the Civil Society to remove corruption from our public life. You cannot improve the defence procurement process in isolation.

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