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<b>Pakistani government not probing army HQ siege</b>

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pakistan in free fall</b>
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G Parthasarathy
The tranquillity around Pakistan’s Army Headquarters in Rawalpindi, where the Army’s X Corps, whose main claim to fame is its propensity to stage coups against civilian Governments, is also located, was rudely disturbed on October 11. A small group of militants clad in military uniforms from the Amjad Farooqi group of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan struck at the hallowed precincts of the Army Headquarters, killed Army personnel, including a Brigadier and Lieutenant Colonel and held the entire Headquarters of the Pakistani Army hostage for around 18 hours. A few days earlier, a militant dressed in the uniform of the predominantly Pashtun Frontier Constabulary carried out a suicide bomb attack on the UN offices at the very heart of the capital, Islamabad. The attacks had evidently been planned by people with inside knowledge of security arrangements in the most sensitive areas of the national capital.

<b>These attacks came at a time when Pakistan was witnessing an unseemly tussle between the elected Government headed by President Asif Ali Zardari and Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, over the provisions of the Kerry-Lugar Act passed by the US Congress, authorising $ 7.5 billion of economic assistance to Pakistan. </b>A statement issued last week after a meeting of Corps Commanders presided over by Gen Kayani, alleged the provisions of the US legislation violated Pakistani sovereignty and called on the country’s Parliament to decide whether the provisions of the Act should be accepted. Interestingly, <b>this Army intervention, quite obviously intended to create a rift between President Zardari, who is a supporter of the US legislation and the Parliament, came after an unprecedented meeting in Rawalpindi between Mr Shahbaz Sharif, the Chief Minister of Punjab and brother of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, accompanied by the leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly, Mr Chaudhury Nisar Ali Khan, on the one hand and Gen Ashfaq Kayani, on the other. Mr Chaudhury Nisar is spearheading the opposition to the Kerry-Lugar Bill in Parliament. Responding to the Army’s insubordination, Zardari’s spokesman noted that it was inappropriate for the Army to comment publicly on a sensitive issue and that its concerns should have, more appropriately, been placed before the Defence Committee of the Cabinet.</b>

The furore in Pakistan on the Kerry-Lugar Act, which has been fomented by Gen Kayani, is largely contrived. No one denies that the cash strapped country desperately needs foreign economic assistance. Reflecting American and international concerns,<b> the Kerry-Lugar Act requires the Secretary of State to certify the Pakistani Government has acted to prevent “Al Qaeda, the Taliban and associated terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed from operating in the territory of Pakistan, including carrying out cross-border attacks, into neighbouring countries”. There are also provisions seeking certification that entities in Pakistan are not involved in nuclear proliferation</b>, that the Pakistani Army is under effective civilian and Parliamentary scrutiny and control and that all support for terrorist groups from “elements within the Pakistan military or its intelligence services,” has ceased. <b>These provisions for monitoring the role of Pakistan’s military and its intelligence services have obviously rattled Gen Kayani and his cohorts.</b> American displeasure at the ISI’s support for Mullah Omar and Taliban military commanders like Sirajuddin Haqqani, who are spearheading attacks against American forces in Afghanistan, has been frequently voiced.

The actions of the Pakistani Army suggest that while it may reluctantly take on Taliban groups which question the writ of the Pakistan State, like Maulana Fazlullah’s supporters in Swat and the TTP led now by Hakeemullah Mehsud, in South Waziristan, it will continue to support Afghan and Pakistani Taliban groups waging jihad against the Americans in Afghanistan. For over three months, the Army has been preparing to attack the strongholds in South Waziristan of Hakeemullah Mehsud and his Uzbek allies from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which was led by Tahir Yuldeshev. Yuldeshev had close links with the ISI since the 1990s, when the ISI facilitated his links with the Taliban and Al Qaeda and used his Uzbek forces to target the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, led by Ahmed Shah Masood. Yuldeshev was reportedly killed in a US Drone attack on September 26. <b>The Pakistani Army has now amassed around 28,000 soldiers for an assault, backed by air power and American drones, in South Waziristan. The assault by the TTP on the Army headquarters in Rawalpindi is a clear warning to the Pakistani military establishment that the TTP will hit at targets across Pakistan, if the Army targets it.</b>

Past operations of the Pakistani Army in South Waziristan, bordering Afghanistan, have failed miserably. It remains to be seen whether the Army has the ability and courage to take on the TTP and its Uzbek and other allies in South Waziristan, successfully. Moreover, there had to be support from elements within the security forces, in recent terrorist attacks in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, as the militants evidently had inside information on the vulnerabilities in the security structure. <b>Can the Army and Frontier Constabulary now be sure that Pashtun soldiers, who hail from the tribal areas and constitute a substantial portion of the security forces, will remain steadfast in their resolve in operations that target the homes of their kith and kin? </b>Moreover, while there was widespread political consensus within Pakistan, in Army operations in Swat, which is very close to the capital Islamabad, will there be a sustained political consensus if operations in South Waziristan are prolonged? Finally, the impending operations in South Waziristan are based on the assumption that Taliban groups elsewhere in the tribal areas will not come to aid of their erstwhile allies in South Waziristan. Is this a realistic assumption? As more and more groups once supported by the ISI turn against the Pakistani army, the US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne Patterson recently remarked: “You cannot tolerate a viper in your bosom without getting bitten”!!

<b>Pakistan is moving into even more turbulent and troubled waters as its Army, given to dictating the national agenda, confronts new challenges. But, perhaps the most shocking aspect of these developments is that Mr Nawaz Sharif, who was ousted in a military coup a decade ago, now finds it expedient to make common cause with Gen Kayani.</b> Even the political establishment seems divided on the utility of terrorist groups in Pakistan’s relations with its neighbours. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kayani and Nawaz both are Punjabi.

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<b>Textile sector’s profits plunge by 57%</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->KARACHI : <b>Textile sector's profits plunged by 57 percent as it went through a tough time during last year with exports declining by eight percent</b> owing to international financial crisis and domestic energy shortages.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>METROPOLITAN: Gunmen fire at FIA office in Lahore </b>
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10:01 AM PST | Thursday, 15 Oct, 2009 |

<b>PAKISTAN: Ten killed in Kohat suicide attack </b>
A suicide bomber attacked the Cantt Police Station in Kohat, killing ten people and injuring several others: sources
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09:29 AM PST | Thursday, 15 Oct, 2009 |

<b>PAKISTAN: US strike on suspected militant hideout kills four </b>
The pre-dawn strike targeted the suspected militant compound in Dandey Darpa Khel in the North Waziristan region.

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<b>Lahore: several killed as 3 security forces buildings targeted</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->LAHORE: Once again terrorists attacked three security forces buildings in Lahore today.

As per reports, unidentified terrorists targeted Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) building, Manawa Police Training Centre and Eliot Force Training Centre situated at Bedian Road.

In the first incident, unidentified terrorists targeted FIA building situated at Temple Road.

According to the SP Civil Lines, Dr Haider,<b> 5 persons have been killed in the incident, however the building is reported clear now.</b>

Geo News Nadeem Alvi said <b>three FIA men have been martyred, whereas a terrorist killed, while a dead body is yet to be identified.</b>

On the other hand<b> Ganga Ram Hospital Administration confirmed that seven dead bodies have been transferred to the health facility</b>.

<b>Unidentified terrorists also attacked the Eliot Force Training Centre situated at Bedian Road and Manawan Police Training Centre</b>.

According to reports six armed terrorists, wearing militia uniforms, barged in the Bedian and Manawan training centres and opened gunfire after throwing hand grenades.

Exchange of gunfire continues in both the buildings, whereas loud blasts are also being heard.

<b>Police Jawans are battling bravely with the terrorists and helicopters continue aerial surveillance</b>.

It may be recalled that Manawa training centre is situated some five kilometre away from Bedian and <b>FIA building, Eliot Force Training Centre and Manawa Police Training Centre have today been targeted simultaneously.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeh Kya ho raha hai !!!

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I think Army ploy to take over. They will say civilian government is unable to control violence.
1.5 Billion, they will get anyway.

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Manwan operation completely over ...all 4 terrorists martyr, will receive 72 houris...two sentries achieved shahadat

Bedian 2 dead rest surrounded.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->At the Manawan Police Academy, at least ten terrorists are still inside the building and an exchange of fire with security is still going on. <b>Two people have been killed at the Academy, while seven people are injured.</b>

Terrorists also attacked the Elite Police Institute in Bedian, <b>where at least seven people are critically injured</b>, while the security forces are still engaged in an exchange of fire with the terrorists.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Gunmen attack 3 police offices in Pakistan</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->LAHORE : <b>Unleashing a fresh wave of terror, suspected Taliban militants, including women,</b> on Thursday stormed a Federal Investigation Agency office Terrorists launch multiple attacks in Pakistani city of Lahore and two police training units in near-simultaneous attacks in Pakistan's Lahore city, sparking fierce gun battles <b>that killed at least 23 people.</b> <b>( Watch Video )</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8dcdRAvRiA...layer_embedded#

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<b>Gunmen, bomber hit 4 sites in Pakistan; 37 die</b>

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<b>INTERVIEW - Pakistan spies stoke violence - Afghan advisor</b>

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Interesting read from Paki fora. Enjoy it

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The good thing is that ranks of the apologist and sympathizers goes down with the increase in such attacks. No militancy has ever succeeded without the support of the people among which it operates. Islam would not have expanded as it did if it was not for the support of the people in the lands conquered by Muslims. In many cases it were the people who invited Muslim armies to come because they brought with them order, peace, justice and prosperity. The vision, propogated by the west, of Muslim hoardes coming out of the desert with a sword in one hand and Quran in the other is historically incorrect. In Swat, the people initially invited and welcomed the taliban but in return they got beheadings, plunder, fear and brutality resulting failure of the militancy. They keep on making the same mistakes again and again. They did it in Aghanistan, in Iraq and they are doing it in Pakistan and they will fail because of it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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from paki fora

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Tv reporter claims that atleast two Terrorists from Manawa have managed to escape. He further claim that hostages drama didn't end as reported ...in fact some negotiations were made. He said If every thing is as officially announced ...no one is allowed to visit the inside the Manawa Police center...</b> ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Reporter said that the operation was over some 7 hours ago ...but we haven't being allowed yet to visit. <b>He said the operational commander sent two negotiators and we saw the operation in charge talking with some one inside while there halt on both sides</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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i could'nt stop lauging at this paki-fora post on kerry-lugger bill!

"Big question is now will Pakistan turn down the offer of $7.5 billion over next 5 years? My hunch says Pakistan will take the money."

LOL

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<!--QuoteBegin-rhytha+Oct 16 2009, 01:59 AM-->QUOTE(rhytha @ Oct 16 2009, 01:59 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->i could'nt stop lauging at this paki-fora post on kerry-lugger bill!

"Big question is now will Pakistan turn down the offer of $7.5 billion over next 5 years? My hunch says Pakistan will take the money."

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<b>rytha Ji :</b>

1. This USD 7.5 Billion over next 5 years i.e. USD 1.5 Billion Annually is a "Grant" and will not have to be repaid.

As such Pakistan will accept whatever conditions the You Knighted States of America enforces on Pakistan in respect of this "Aid - Grant".

<b>2. Pak forex reserves shrink by $284.7 mln</b>

KARACHI: The liquid foreign exchange reserves of the country have decreased by 284.7 million dollars because of Government’s quarterly payments against external debts.

Pakistan's total liquid foreign reserves have shruck to 14.4641 billion dollars, said a statement issued by State Bank of Pakistan here on Thursday.

On October 10, 2009, the foreign reserves held by State Bank amounted 10,889.6 million dollars, whereas net foreign reserves held by banks other than SBP figured 3,574.5 million dollars

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Pakistan current lease value is 7.5 Billion.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Options for war or peace</b>
Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l

Two inter-related and significant developments in Pakistan in the last seven days have hit world headlines. But there is an underlying third dimension that has not been explicitly debated. Consider.

Pakistan’s military leadership has whipped up the religio-nationalist media and opportunist political opposition to attack the Kerry-Lugar Bill as an unacceptable American attempt to undermine Pakistan’s sovereignty. But a close look at the Bill’s conditions doesn’t reveal any extraordinary trespass that is significantly different from the past under military regimes. So, why has GHQ rapped the US administration and the Zardari regime?

But the Pakistan army is also on the receiving end. The Al-Qaeda-Taliban network has smacked it squarely where it hurts. Four major terrorist attacks in seven days, including the audacious daylong siege of GHQ, and 114 killed, including a Brigadier and a Colonel. What is the message of the terrorists to the army’s leadership?

Is there a link between these two developments that explains what is going on?

A debate is raging in Washington DC. The US national security establishment led by the Pentagon in DC and General Stanley McChrystal in Kabul wants a 40,000-troop surge in Afghanistan. But the liberals in the Obama administration, media and think tanks want to bring the boys home and let Afghanistan boil in its own sordid juices. There is now a third option on the table from Joe Biden, the US vice-president. He wants the status quo on troop levels to be maintained. But he also wants US war-strategy to focus on the Al-Qaeda-Taliban network in Waziristan and Balochistan rather than in Afghanistan. In other words, he is advising a defensive and holding posture in Afghanistan and an offensive and forward position in Pakistan. Hence the recent debate about the pros and cons of targeting Mulla Umar’s “Quetta Shura” in Balochistan. This is also another way of pressuring the Pakistan army to go into Waziristan all guns blazing, stop protecting the Quetta Shura and finish the job itself.

Here’s the rub. The Pakistan army doesn’t like General McChrystal’s idea of an American troop surge or Mr Biden’s notion of an aggressive posture inside Pakistan’s tribal areas. Emotional issues of “occupation” and “sovereignty” aside, both options would amount to the same thing for GHQ: if successful, they would strengthen the current Washington-Kabul-New Delhi axis now calling the shots in Afghanistan and deprive Pakistan’s military of political leverage based on select pro-Pakistan and anti-India Taliban or Pakhtun “assets” in any future political dispensation in its backyard. The Pakistan military is also uneasy at the prospect of launching full–scale operations in Waziristan without first having fully mopped up Swat and motivated its soldiers for the tougher task ahead. The onset of winter and the regrouping of the Pakistan Taliban under Baitullah Mehsud’s successor Hakeemullah make the task even more daunting.

Obviously, the Al-Qaeda-Taliban network doesn’t like these options either. So the Afghan Taliban launched a well-planned and ferocious attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul and the Pakistani Taliban a desperate and audacious one on GHQ in Rawalpindi last week. This is meant to signal that, far from digging in to withstand the proposed US-Pakistan offensive in Waziristan, the Al-Qaeda-Taliban network is determined to carry the battle to the heartland of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Meanwhile, India and Pakistan are pointing to an ISI hand in the attack on India’s Kabul embassy and RAW’s behind the attack on GHQ respectively. <b>Therefore the two America-sponsored options can be scuttled by a terrorist attack inside India that unleashes the demons of Mumbai and brings the two countries to the brink of war, diverting and diminishing attention from America’s “war against terror” and leading to political convulsion and possibly regime change in Pakistan.</b>

<b>The Pakistani military leadership cannot concede the proposed American strategy to confront the Al-Qaeda-Taliban network because it will risk losing its long-term “assets” for political adjustment in Afghanistan. It also cannot balk over a bold new operation in Waziristan alongside the Americans because that will lead to a blow to its wounded pride over the attack on GHQ. The media that backed it to the hilt over the red herring of the Kerry-Lugar Bill to deflect American pressure to up the ante against the Afghan Taliban in Waziristan is now demanding a similar “honour-saving” exercise from the army against the Pakistan Taliban.</b> The problem, of course, is that, while we may talk of different categories and targets of Taliban, we are in fact dealing with a dangerous nexus between Al-Qaeda, Afghan Taliban, Pakistani Taliban and Pakistan Jihadi and sectarian parties and groups that has become one network aiming to seize Kabul and then Islamabad.

Clearly and realistically speaking, the powerful Pakistani military and national security establishment must be part of any regional solution. It must be accorded a greater role in America’s roadmap for determining Afghanistan’s future as a peaceful and stable state that is friendly and not hostile to Pakistan. <b>If that doesn’t happen, the odds are that the Pakistani military will strike back.</b> The Kerry-Lugar bill is the first casualty. If renewed tension with India and regime change in Pakistan follow, there will be no winners and losers in the region.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Militants flown in to negotiate with GHQ attackers </b>
Friday, October 16, 2009
By Amir Mir

LAHORE: Some key leaders of several jehadi and sectarian organisations, including a jailed militant, were flown from Lahore, Bahawalpur and Rahim Yar Khan to the garrison town of Rawalpindi on special flights to hold talks with the hostage takers who had stormed the GHQ building on October 10, 2009.

According to well-informed officials in Islamabad privy to the happenings of the October 10th storming of GHQ by terrorists, wherein 42 staffers had been taken hostage. The terrorists had listed their demands and expressed their desire to hold talks with the Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. The hostage takers had given a list of the jailed militants belonging to several Sunni Deobandi militant and sectarian groups, seeking their release, failing which, it waswarned that the hostages would be killed one after another. However, as a time buying tactic, the negotiators decided to rope in some key leaders of several jehadi and sectarian groups to hold talks with terrorists. Special planes were subsequently dispatched to Lahore, Bahawalpur and Rahim Yar Khan to bring to Rawalpindi Malik Ishaq, a jailed leader of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, Mufti Abdul Rauf, the younger brother of Maulana Masood Azhar who is the acting Ameer of the Jaish-e-Mohammad, and Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, the chief of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, to hold talks with the hostage takers.

According to the sources, though Malik Ishaq and Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi had been taken to Pindi because of their sectarian connection with the Taliban-linked attackers, the SSP leaders, in the very beginning of the telephonic negotiations with the hostage takers, told the military authorities that they had no prior acquaintance with any of the attackers. Later, Mufti Abdul Rauf and Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil of the Jamiatul Ansar, who was summoned from the federal capital Islamabad, tried in vain to negotiate with the hostage takers.

Soon after getting hold of the security personnel and the civilians, the terrorists had threatened to kill them in batches of ten every hour if the authorities did not accept their demands. The negotiators had asked the attackers to wait till Saturday morning for the release of the jailed militants so that they might be brought to Rawalpindi. However, the rescue operation was launched at 6 in the morning before the expiry of the deadline. According to the official sources, the detainees had been divided into two groups of 20 and 22 and kept in different rooms of the building by four terrorists each. Despite the fact that the attackers guarding the hostages had donned suicide jackets, the first one fell down at the very outset of the rescue operation as the SSG commandos shot him point blank in the head and he collapsed without having the chance to blow himself up. The remaining three simply blew themselves by exploding their suicide jackets when the commandos tried entering the building.

<b>Interestingly, Mohammad Aqeel alias Dr Usman, instead of blowing up himself with his suicidal jacket, adopted a unique tactic. As his fellow terrorists blew up themselves, he set ablaze his explosive-laden jacket in one room and hid himself in the false ceiling of another room inside the security offices of the GHQ. As the rescue operation ended and the clearance of the building started, everybody was looking for him because only four dead bodies of other terrorists were found. And the man negotiating with the authorities, who had identified himself as Aqeel alias Dr Usman was missing. The sources say he had camouflaged himself well and kept out of sight for a couple of hours until bad luck struck him in the face. The false ceiling couldn’t bear his weight any longer and simply collapsed, throwing Aqeel on the floor and hurting his head badly. Having survived the head injury, Mohammad Aqeel is reportedly out of danger. </b>
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<b>Blast in Peshawar cantonment kills 11</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to DawnNews, the explosion took place at approximately 1:00 pm in the vicinity of a mosque, an army checkpost and a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) building.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->