1. Supporting links for the following statements made in the previous post:
[quote name='Husky' date='19 March 2015 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1426778953' post='117608']
I remember Down Under news from some years back of how a great number of men in the police force were accused of sexual assault and rape of the populace over the years and yet were still in service. Victims and their supporters were aghast. The protest built up massively, until the police had to post female officers to guard their premises from being vandalised/attacked/stormed or whatever they feared from the angry public (IIRC the photos showed protesters burning effigees of the police force in the end).
But people got even more incensed at the police having posted female police officers in order to protect the institution from the public. Instead of alleviating criticism, it heightened it. People were angry at the female police officers for having chosen the side of the attackers and those in power who abused the system by not putting the attackers behind bars. But IIRC the public was mostly furious that the men had deliberately posted the female officers knowing that the public wouldn't confront them, despite vengeful feelings (in an attempt to prevent them from giving vent to it) since female officers were as per gender part of the wronged population.[/quote]
Note the news reports to follow are from 2007 (good that I saved the news back then), also on "International Women's Day".
The country in question is New Zealand:
old link: tv3.co.nz/Effigyburnedasprotestersmarchinaidofsexabusevictims/tabid/209/articleID/22738/Default.aspx
New link: 3news.co.nz/nznews/effigy-burned-as-protesters-march-in-aid-of-sex-abuse-victims-2007030822
tv3.co.nz/News/NationalNews/tabid/184/Default.aspx?ArticleID=22761
(Sorry, this link has expired. But I'd saved the page back in 2007.
As an alternative, another link on the subject of the police having deployed female officers at the time, and this aggravating the protestors, is at nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427899)
There were more links from where the various points in my summary were drawn, but the above news items should have enough keywords in then for anyone who wants to look into the issue some more.
ADDED: Some more links to old news on the original item at the end of this post.
On this line from the 2nd item:
Wait wait, did I read that right? Did "crowds of mainly women" declare there is - or at least still was back in 2007 - a "police culture of rape" in New Zealand? Quick someone, call Dawkins. Or what's-its-face, that documentary woman. Time for them to demonstrate how they're not hypocrites, by once more venting their self-righteous lectures at other populations even as they conveniently keep themselves ignorant of their own. At least Dawkins won't be caught dead playing hypocrite (again), surely? I mean, hypocrisy must be THE most blatant unscience ever: it means to be [logically] inconsistent. And logic is the cheapest of all science, and doesn't even require a brain [I would know]. And if you can't even do logic, ... well, then you should certainly not be allowed near any other science, obviously. Ergo, hence and therefore, we may safely assume that - even without Dawkins having uttered a syllable on the matter - that Dawkins would have the *same* opinions on the New Zealand police and their apparent "culture of rape" as he mouthed off about India/ns.
And as Dawkins cannot be both a hypocrite and a scientist at the same time, we *know* that he'd be equally condemnatory about the rape culture in AmeriKKKa which was recently revealed by those studies on how 1/3 of mostly white American male uni/tertiary male students would be willing to rape women if only they could get away with it. [Anyone else creeped out? That there's nothing but a veneer of being civilised? And that if anything dented their 'civilisation' AmeriKKKa will turn into the Wild West part deux?] Repeat:
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html
Dawkins may not have said anything on the subject yet. But we already know the exact words he'd have used against his American counterparts at university. (These words being the same as those he meted out at Indians. Something or to about rape and "tradition" or whatever. Sorry, he doesn't create memorable soundbytes - no way with words - so can't remember. He's not bad for summarising, but he's not quotable. Then again, I'm no poet either.)
* On "International Women's day".
My old Q again: when the foreign powers that be - is it the UN in this case? - set aside a day for women (uh, are women expected to be grateful?), if said powers don't at the same time set aside a day for men, it feels like they're implying one of two things, neither very egalitarian:
1. that the other 364/365 days are implicitly earmarked for men.
2. or else that men don't deserve a day dedicated to them and their concerns
I mean, let's be honest, 50% of the humanity on our planet is made up of one gender, and about 50% of the other. <- I always need a minute to recover after making such profound observations as this. :applauds self:
Note how either way, it's not a very egalitarian implication that the UN has enforced.
Oh, I see there is an International Men's Day after all. But of course it was but lately and reactively created, and it was also well beyond the UN to think to come up with it (not their invention):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day
2. Supporting links for:
[quote name='Husky' date='22 June 2014 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1403377299' post='117278']
E.g. the famous cannibal American cop's court case (but not so famous that AmeriKKKa as a whole got tarred by it) - the one who planned to rape, torture and eat his wife and then repeat that cycle on a host of other women. He was part of an internet clique who were into this sort of thing. May try to post some links to supporting data for this some other time.
[/quote]
nytimes.com/2013/03/13/nyregion/gilberto-valle-is-found-guilty-in-cannibal-case.html
And if people thought that was scary:
nytimes.com/2014/07/02/nyregion/officer-gilberto-valle-freed-after-conviction-overturned-in-cannibal-case.html?_r=0
Oh the "fantasy" excuse. If the would-be cannibal-rapist-murderer had succeeded, they'd have referred to his alleged "fantasy" as pre-meditation, right? After all, the only thing that got him off the hook above is that his increasingly fervent planning had been prevented by his wife finding out about his designs against her (and others) by her IIRC having accidentally found and read his sick conspiring with his fellow rapist-cannibals.
Anyway. If the guy is freed, he may be careful for some time. But one day his evil inner self will force itself to manifest and someone will die. Horribly. And then there will be great but pointless lamenting in the US justice system of how they should have recognised pre-meditation as pre-meditation instead of dismissing the obvious-scheming/plotting as fantasy.
Wanneer de koe verdronken is dempt men de put.
ADDED:
1. nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427899
2. nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427883
3. tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/1011669
(usw)
[quote name='Husky' date='19 March 2015 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1426778953' post='117608']
I remember Down Under news from some years back of how a great number of men in the police force were accused of sexual assault and rape of the populace over the years and yet were still in service. Victims and their supporters were aghast. The protest built up massively, until the police had to post female officers to guard their premises from being vandalised/attacked/stormed or whatever they feared from the angry public (IIRC the photos showed protesters burning effigees of the police force in the end).
But people got even more incensed at the police having posted female police officers in order to protect the institution from the public. Instead of alleviating criticism, it heightened it. People were angry at the female police officers for having chosen the side of the attackers and those in power who abused the system by not putting the attackers behind bars. But IIRC the public was mostly furious that the men had deliberately posted the female officers knowing that the public wouldn't confront them, despite vengeful feelings (in an attempt to prevent them from giving vent to it) since female officers were as per gender part of the wronged population.[/quote]
Note the news reports to follow are from 2007 (good that I saved the news back then), also on "International Women's Day".
The country in question is New Zealand:
old link: tv3.co.nz/Effigyburnedasprotestersmarchinaidofsexabusevictims/tabid/209/articleID/22738/Default.aspx
New link: 3news.co.nz/nznews/effigy-burned-as-protesters-march-in-aid-of-sex-abuse-victims-2007030822
Quote:Effigy burned as protesters march in aid of sex abuse victims
Protesters came face to face with police in Wellington this evening, during a march in aid of rape and sex abuse victims.
Around 200 mostly women marched through the city enroute to the High Court.
They're a backlash from the not guilty verdicts given to Clint Rickards and two former officers, and also mark International Women's Day.
RadioLIVE's Heather du Plessis-Allan was in Wellington, and reported tension when the group reached the city's main police station.
The protest march ended with an effigy of a police officer being set alight outside the front doors of the High Court.
Thu 08-Mar-2007
tv3.co.nz/News/NationalNews/tabid/184/Default.aspx?ArticleID=22761
(Sorry, this link has expired. But I'd saved the page back in 2007.
As an alternative, another link on the subject of the police having deployed female officers at the time, and this aggravating the protestors, is at nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427899)
Quote:Police defend using female officers in rape protest
Female Police Officers on duty at yesterdays rape protest
Police in Wellington say there was a very good reason why they used a thin blue line of women officers to protect the central station from protestors last night.
Crowds of mainly women demonstrated in Wellington and Auckland last night against what they say is a Police culture of rape.
It follows the acquittals of Assistant Commissioner Clint Rickards in two sex offences trials.
Wellington Central commander Inspector Peter Cowan says he used female officers to defuse a volatile situation and show the new look of 2007 Police.
Thu 08-Mar-2007
There were more links from where the various points in my summary were drawn, but the above news items should have enough keywords in then for anyone who wants to look into the issue some more.
ADDED: Some more links to old news on the original item at the end of this post.
On this line from the 2nd item:
Quote:Crowds of mainly women demonstrated in Wellington and Auckland last night against what they say is a Police culture of rape.
Wait wait, did I read that right? Did "crowds of mainly women" declare there is - or at least still was back in 2007 - a "police culture of rape" in New Zealand? Quick someone, call Dawkins. Or what's-its-face, that documentary woman. Time for them to demonstrate how they're not hypocrites, by once more venting their self-righteous lectures at other populations even as they conveniently keep themselves ignorant of their own. At least Dawkins won't be caught dead playing hypocrite (again), surely? I mean, hypocrisy must be THE most blatant unscience ever: it means to be [logically] inconsistent. And logic is the cheapest of all science, and doesn't even require a brain [I would know]. And if you can't even do logic, ... well, then you should certainly not be allowed near any other science, obviously. Ergo, hence and therefore, we may safely assume that - even without Dawkins having uttered a syllable on the matter - that Dawkins would have the *same* opinions on the New Zealand police and their apparent "culture of rape" as he mouthed off about India/ns.
And as Dawkins cannot be both a hypocrite and a scientist at the same time, we *know* that he'd be equally condemnatory about the rape culture in AmeriKKKa which was recently revealed by those studies on how 1/3 of mostly white American male uni/tertiary male students would be willing to rape women if only they could get away with it. [Anyone else creeped out? That there's nothing but a veneer of being civilised? And that if anything dented their 'civilisation' AmeriKKKa will turn into the Wild West part deux?] Repeat:
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html
Quote:A third of male university students say they would rape a woman if there no were no consequences
Jon Stone
Wednesday 14 January 2015
[...]
Roughly one third of male university students who took part in a study would rape a woman if there were no consequences, according to a new scientific study.
The research, published in the scientific journal Violence and Gender, presented mostly white male American participants a questionnaire on how they would act in certain sexual situations.
Dawkins may not have said anything on the subject yet. But we already know the exact words he'd have used against his American counterparts at university. (These words being the same as those he meted out at Indians. Something or to about rape and "tradition" or whatever. Sorry, he doesn't create memorable soundbytes - no way with words - so can't remember. He's not bad for summarising, but he's not quotable. Then again, I'm no poet either.)
* On "International Women's day".
My old Q again: when the foreign powers that be - is it the UN in this case? - set aside a day for women (uh, are women expected to be grateful?), if said powers don't at the same time set aside a day for men, it feels like they're implying one of two things, neither very egalitarian:
1. that the other 364/365 days are implicitly earmarked for men.
2. or else that men don't deserve a day dedicated to them and their concerns
I mean, let's be honest, 50% of the humanity on our planet is made up of one gender, and about 50% of the other. <- I always need a minute to recover after making such profound observations as this. :applauds self:
Note how either way, it's not a very egalitarian implication that the UN has enforced.
Oh, I see there is an International Men's Day after all. But of course it was but lately and reactively created, and it was also well beyond the UN to think to come up with it (not their invention):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day
Quote:International Men's Day (IMD) is an annual international event celebrated on 19 November. Inaugurated in 1992 on 7 February by Prof Thomas Oaster,[1] the project was re-initialised in 1999 in Trinidad and Tobago.[2] The longest running celebration of International men's day is Malta, where events have occurred since 7 February 1994.[3]The bold bit is an admission that the UN's own and much longer-standing "International women's day" creation is what instituted the particular gender imbalance alluded to. "Ya don't say..." When even I could have predicted that.
International Men's Day, now standardised globally as 19 November finds support from a variety of individuals and groups in Australia, the Caribbean, North America, Asia, Europe and Africa.[2][4] Speaking on behalf of UNESCO, Director of Women and Culture of Peace Ingeborg Breines said of IMD, "This is an excellent idea and would give some gender balance." She added that UNESCO was looking forward to cooperating with the organizers.[2]
2. Supporting links for:
[quote name='Husky' date='22 June 2014 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1403377299' post='117278']
E.g. the famous cannibal American cop's court case (but not so famous that AmeriKKKa as a whole got tarred by it) - the one who planned to rape, torture and eat his wife and then repeat that cycle on a host of other women. He was part of an internet clique who were into this sort of thing. May try to post some links to supporting data for this some other time.
[/quote]
nytimes.com/2013/03/13/nyregion/gilberto-valle-is-found-guilty-in-cannibal-case.html
Quote: N.Y. / Region
ââ¬ËUgly Thoughtsââ¬â¢ Defense Fails as Officer Is Convicted in Cannibal Plot
By BENJAMIN WEISERMARCH 12, 2013
And if people thought that was scary:
nytimes.com/2014/07/02/nyregion/officer-gilberto-valle-freed-after-conviction-overturned-in-cannibal-case.html?_r=0
Quote: N.Y. / Region
Ruling in Cannibal Case Revives Debate Over When a Fantasy Crosses a Criminal Line
By BENJAMIN WEISERJULY 1, 2014
Oh the "fantasy" excuse. If the would-be cannibal-rapist-murderer had succeeded, they'd have referred to his alleged "fantasy" as pre-meditation, right? After all, the only thing that got him off the hook above is that his increasingly fervent planning had been prevented by his wife finding out about his designs against her (and others) by her IIRC having accidentally found and read his sick conspiring with his fellow rapist-cannibals.
Anyway. If the guy is freed, he may be careful for some time. But one day his evil inner self will force itself to manifest and someone will die. Horribly. And then there will be great but pointless lamenting in the US justice system of how they should have recognised pre-meditation as pre-meditation instead of dismissing the obvious-scheming/plotting as fantasy.
Wanneer de koe verdronken is dempt men de put.
ADDED:
1. nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427899
2. nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10427883
3. tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/1011669
Quote:Clark warns police report damning
Published: 8:08AM Monday March 05, 2007 Source: One News/Newstalk ZB
Shipton and Schollum face threats
Clark knew Rickards faced charges
New allegations against Shipton
Prime Minister Helen Clark is hinting that the findings of the Commission of Inquiry into police conduct will be damning.
[...]
The prime minister says the issue has always been whether the police rape allegations relate to a historical culture within the force, or whether it is still a contemporary matter.
Clark is also hinting that it will be alarming to police bosses as well. She says she is sure the country will hear more from police when they are in a position to speak.
Clark says she is appalled by some of the evidence which was raised in the police sex trials. She says she has serious doubts a teenage girl would consent to having group sex with police officers.
She says she is constrained in what she can say about the historical sex cases involving suspended Assistant Police Commissioner Clint Rickards, Bob Schollum and Brad Shipton. But says she has to question whether there can be any genuine consent when you have police officers in a position of responsibility in a community engaging in group sex with a teenage girl.
(usw)