USA And The Future Of The World -II

[dhu]

http://www.jstor.org/pss/25154596

The Second Catholic President: Ngo Dinh Diem, John F. Kennedy, and the Vietnam War; 1954 - 1963

[Guest]

[url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-we-heading-for-another-great-depression/"]DOOMSDAY CLOCKS: ARE WE HEADING FOR ANOTHER GREAT DEPRESSION?[/url]

[ramana]

Village Voice the radical magazine says:



White Amercia has lost its mind



IOW the 2010 elections are a fight for multi-cultural America.

[Guest]

[quote name='ramana' date='06 October 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1286382956' post='108710']



IOW the 2010 elections are a fight for multi-cultural America.

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No.



Here are issue, watch this site

http://www.theblaze.com/

[HareKrishna]

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war in Afghanistan go in the wrong direction

[Guest]

[url="http://www.resistnet.com/group/missouri6thcongressionaldistrict/forum/topics/sb-1619-livable-communities"]SB 1619 - Livable Communities Act - introduction of bill by Sen. Christopher Dodd[/url]



Just read this and if you have read 1890-1900 census report of India by British. They actually applied this and saw the outcome. How they destroyed communities/cities and villages?



Same is forced on California.

[Husky]

4 news items. (With unwanted interruptions in between.)





Remember J Assange of Wikileaks on whom the Angry AmeriKKKan Govt (and its secular sockpuppets overseas) tried to pin Multiple Sudden Spontaneous And Out-of-the-Blue rape charges, because he was about to/coincidentally timed to when he was about to divulge something rather uncomfortable to AmeriKKKa? (If you don't remember, there's a note in post 113 referring to it. Draw your own conclusions, how hard can it be.)



Well, both Assange/Wikileaks and AmeriKKKa are back in the news. And one of them is looking decidedly unpretty, but you knew that already.



1. news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8111510/documents-detail-iraq-bloodbath-assange

Documents detail Iraq bloodbath: Assange

13:44 AEST Sat Oct 23 2010





Newly released Wikileak documents on Iraq give a blow-by-blow account of the "bloodbath" in the country over six years, the whistleblower's founder Julian [color="#FF0000"]Assange[/color] said on Friday.



Speaking to CNN after the documents' publication, he said they presented a much more straightforward picture than material on the conflict in Afghanistan previously published by Wikileaks.



"These documents reveal six years of the Iraq war at a ground level detail - the troops on the ground, their reports, what they were seeing, what they were saying and what they were doing," he told the broadcaster.



The Iraq documents cover the deaths of some [color="#FF0000"]104,000 people over six years[/color] - compared the deaths of 20,000 people in Afghanistan detailed in previously released papers.



"We're talking about a five times greater kill rate in Iraq, really a comparative bloodbath compared to Afghanistan," he told CNN.



[color="#0000FF"]The Iraq documents gave "not just the aggregate, not just that, you know, 'in Fallujah a lot of people died,' but rather the deaths of each person, with precise geographic coordinates and the operation under which they died.



"That is the big outcome for us, is that these people whose deaths were previously anonymous, they are no longer anonymous," he added.[/color]



"We can see where they died and under what circumstances.



"I think the message of this material is powerful and perhaps a little easier to understand than the complex situation in Afghanistan," he added.



[color="#0000FF"]The comments came shortly after Wikileaks released nearly 400,000 pages of secret military field reports from Iraq, including graphic accounts of torture, civilian killings and Iran's hand in the Iraq war.[/color]



The US administration said the release could endanger US troops and Iraqis but would not shed new light on the war.

[color="#800080"](Oh poor AmriKKKan terrorist troops. Getting all endangered. Are we being asked to root for the christocrusade against the islamic jihad? But they all look/sound/taste/kill the same.)[/color]

The same AmeriKKKan christists and their pet christist parrots in India would make Godhra a "genocide". It's just the mathematics of christian lying. They hide their very real and large number of civilian victims and hysterically multiply the number of islamic victims of islam-induced riots in India (while keeping pointedly silent on the Hindu victims of the same, pretending it was all a one-way-street).

I think everyone with sense and any degree of honesty already knows the christoislamaniacs (and communazis and other christoclass diseases) are the world's sole genocidal manias.



So it's yet another christo AmriKKKan genocide of the Other, both directly by their own hand and by encouraging others to do it for them. So what else is new? Christos already permanently mass-genocided the native Americans in native Americans' own land and still stick to their Total Silence act on that one. This is just the latest installment. And the numbers are so much smaller after all. And it's only their islamic brethren in this case: either the crusaders crusade or the islamics will jihad them. It's all "innocent fun". With a 100,000 or so dead. What a waste.

We should call this the Nth Crusade (I forgot what number we were up to, they do this so often).







But things get a shade darker still: Watch the AmriKKKan government utter a typical AmeriKKKanism next. It's pretty pukeworthy, but hey, it's AmriKKKa.



2. news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8111513

US hid Iraq war torture: Wikileaks

13:02 AEST Sat Oct 23 2010

AFP



Al-Jazeera today released what it called "startling new information" from US documents obtained by WikiLeaks, alleging state-sanctioned Iraqi torture and the killing of hundreds of civilians at US military checkpoints.



It said that the major findings included a US military cover-up of Iraqi state-sanctioned torture and "hundreds" of civilians deaths at manned American checkpoints after the US-led invasion of 2003 that ousted Saddam Hussein.



The Qatar-based satellite broadcaster also said the leaked papers, dating from January 1, 2004 to December 31, 2009, show the United States kept a death count throughout the war, despite US denials.



US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned "in the most clear terms" the leaks of any documents putting Americans at risk.



Speaking to reporters in Washington, she declined to discuss the specifics of the WikiLeaks disclosures.



"But I do have a strong opinion that we should condemn in the most clear terms the disclosure of any information by individuals and or organisations which puts the lives of United States and its partners' servicemembers and civilians at risk," she said.



[color="#0000FF"]Al-Jazeera's English channel told AFP in a statement that from 2100 GMT on Friday it would broadcast a series of programmes "that reveal startling new information about the operations of US forces during the Iraq War."



It said the programmes are based on files from WikiLeaks "who gained access to over 400,000 documents regarding the War in Iraq making it the largest document leak in US history.[/color]



"The secret materials are more than four times larger then Wikileak's Afghanistan files," the broadcaster said in a statement issued in English.



WikiLeaks infuriated the Pentagon in July by publishing 77,000 classified US military documents on the war in Afghanistan.

[color="#800080"](Refers to the cause for why Wikileak's Assange got the sudden rape charges inflicted on him by AmriKKKa in randomly-neutral looking soil.)[/color]



"Although one of the stated aims of the Iraq War was to close down Saddam Hussein's torture chambers, the Wikileaks documents show many cases of torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners by Iraqi police and soldiers," Al-Jazeera said.



"In addition, the documents reveal the US knew about the state sanctioned torture but ordered its troops not to intervene."



It said "hundreds of civilians" were killed at US manned checkpoints.



"According to the documents, many Iraqi civilians were killed during the war at checkpoints in contrast to the official US position," the channel said.



Al-Jazeera said the leaked documents also provide new information on the killing of civilians by US private security firm Blackwater.



"The secret US files reveal new cases of Blackwater (a company now known as XE) opening fire on civilians. No charges were ever brought," the statement said.

[color="#800080"](Sounds a bit like a christoBrit massacre of Indoos, nah? ChristoEmpires change. Christotyranny doesn't.)[/color]



The broadcaster's Arabic-language service reported that the civilian death toll in Iraq was "much higher than officially announced."



[color="#0000FF"]It reported that at least 109,000 people were killed, 63 percent of them civilians, between the invasion in March 2003 and the end of 2009.



"The confidential documents obtained by WikiLeaks reveal that the American forces had compiled a register of dead and wounded Iraqis, even if they deny it publicly," it said.



"They show 285,000 victims of the conflict, of whom at least 109,000 were killed" between 2003 and the end of last year, it said, adding that 63 percent of the dead were civilians.[/color]



Al-Jazeera said that included in the papers obtained by WikiLeaks was information on what the station's statement in English called the "secret involvement" of Iran in financing Shiite militias in Iraq.

[color="#800080"](islamic brotherhood.)[/color]



"The files detail Iran's secret war in Iraq and discuss Iran's Revolutionary Guard acting as an alleged supplier of arms to Shia insurgents," it said.



It said the papers also included US Army reports about Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki "and allegations of his association with death squads" in Iraq.



The Pentagon warned on Friday that releasing secret military documents could endanger US troops and Iraqi civilians.



"By disclosing such sensitive information, WikiLeaks continues to put at risk the lives of our troops, their coalition partners and those Iraqis and Afghans working with us," Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said.



He said the documents were "essentially snapshots of events, both tragic and mundane, and do not tell the whole story."



Amnesty International urged Washington to investigate how much US officials knew about ill-treatment of detainees in Iraq.



"We have not yet had an opportunity to study the leaked files in detail but they add to our concern that the US authorities committed a serious breach of international law when they summarily handed over thousands of detainees to Iraqi security forces who, they knew, were continuing to torture and abuse detainees on a truly shocking scale," Malcolm Smart, Amnesty's Middle East director, said in a statement.

Note Hilarious Hillary and the Pentagon's little AmeriKKKan dance routine of turning the tables: how *dare* you endanger AmriKKKan lives* by making public such documents as will expose how AmriKKKans have illegally taken civilians' lives?

(*AmeriKKKan lives which are each worth a zillion of that of everyone else on the planet, don't you all know that by now, US govt makes that abundantly clear by issuing the statement each time even one AmeriKKKan dies anywhere because of AmriKKKan meddling - be it in Somalia with them black hawks downed or in Lebanon etc.)



Note the AmriKKKan logic. AmriKKKans and their aligned buddies massacre and facilitate massacres - rather, it's GENOCIDE - of others in silence in Iraq (and *many* other places besides) and then AmriKKKans get all indignant about others lifting back the veil of christo-imposed silence to reveal the Ugly AmeriKKKan truth underneath it all. And their excuse/defence? Actually, the retort is more a reprimand. "How dare you (potentially) endanger the ueberworthy AmeriKKKan lives by revealing how we *factually* destroyed the lives of others? Of course us christoAmriKKKans believe in

1. "human rights" (of christo Amrikkans first, and secondly of people of the book/mindvirus - like islamics and communazis - alone. And no one else after that. The rest have a right to get silently genocided.)

2. "freedom of speech" - except where this disadvantages us christo AmriKKKans and reveals the seedy bloody things we've been doing. Freedom of speech includes freedom to compulsively lie about heathens. Not the freedom/right to tell the hideous truth about our christoislamania."



Since mere words aren't enough, christoAmriKKKa will next follow in the faithful footsteps of that catholic christoterrorist brit director of the Slumdog Movie and make an inverted film/book/drama on how "evil Hindoos are oppressing islamaniacs in India" (all untrue, of course - as is usual with christianism; but christolying is expected), with the hope that islamania will not endanger the supremely overworthy AmriKKKan lives and will instead kill the factually-innocent Hindoos. Or they'll get their Indian convert/crypto convert minions to create such a make believe. Same thing.

After that effort at diversion (or before), in order to appease the islamaniacs it has enraged, AmriKKKa will also try its best to gift Hindu Kashmir to Pukestan - the way they generously stole/gifted Serbian territory to Albanian islamania - in an effort to prevent islamic pukestan from behaving suitably... suitably... islamic ... towards AmeriKKKa.

But I do hope islamania - from Pukestan, Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, Albania, Chechnya, and other virulently islamic places, *do* indeed avenge the Iraqi dead by looking AmriKKKa's way with their bloodshot islamic eyes. Because then, for once, the jihad can direct itself where it is deservedly wanted/actively seeking it out.





3. news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8111363

US, Iran in shadow war in Iraq: WikiLeaks

11:34 AEST Sat Oct 23 2010



Secret US files released on Friday show Iran waging a shadow war with US troops in Iraq, with a firefight erupting on the border and Tehran allegedly using militias to kill and kidnap American soldiers.



The military intelligence reports on Iran's role, released by WikiLeaks and posted by The New York Times and the Guardian, provide details of a dangerous contest for influence in Iraq between Washington and Tehran.



But US allegations of Iran arming and training Shi'ite militants in Iraq are nothing new, and American officials and military commanders have long accused Tehran of trying to sow violence to undermine US influence and weaken its allies in Baghdad.



One field report describes a tense border incident on September 7, 2006, when an Iranian soldier aimed a rocket-propelled grenade launcher at a US unit patrolling near the border with Iraqi troops.



US troops shot and killed the Iranian with a .50 calibre machine gun, the report said.



The US unit was in the area "in order to identify key infiltration routes into Iraq" used by Iran to funnel weapons into Iraq, the document said.



The American unit had instructions to stay one kilometre from the Iranian border at all times, due to "special sensitivities around the border due to UN sanctions and Iranian concern that US was attempting to mount an invasion," it said.



The documents describe Iran arming and training Iraqi hit squads to carry out attacks on coalition troops and Iraqi government officials, with the elite Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps suspected of playing a crucial role, the newspapers reported, citing the files.



Attacks backed by Iran persisted after President Barack Obama took office in January 2009, with no sign that the new leader's more conciliatory tone led to any change in Tehran's support for the militias, the New York Times wrote, quoting the documents.



The documents describe accounts from detainees, the diary of a captured militant and the discovery of numerous weapons caches as proof of Iran's designs.



According to one document, the Iranians plotted to attack the Green Zone in Baghdad - where key Iraqi government buildings and Western embassies were located - using rockets and an armoured vehicle loaded with chemical gas, the Guardian reported.



Another report alleges plans to use Iranian-supplied rockets with "neuroparalytic" agents designed to incapacitate their victims, the Guardian wrote.



An account from November 2005 describes Iraqi border police in Basra finding "bombing-making equipment" that included "explosively formed projectiles," a lethal roadside explosive that US officials say is supplied by Iran.

I prefer to go to the source - the Guardian UK paper - of course, but the above may be more appropriate. (In general, Guardian is sort of leftist, but what can ya do, if it ain't the christoislamic mouthpieces at BBC news, it's the communi-sympathizers at the Guardian or else the silly borderline-tabloids like Daily Mail. Averaging them all out is often a good way to go about it. People familiar with these Brit and other newspapers would already have worked out each paper's grudges and level of sense/degree of willingness to utter facts in public. So just filter out their inane biases to figure out what really happened/what is likely or unlikely to be true. The rule is: anything negative they say about heathenism is likely to be false. Anything damning they reveal about their own christoislamaniacommunism is in all likelihood true: they wouldn't want to make up an embarrassing lie about their own religion, would they - so those bits must be true - but they are very much fond of slandering heathenism and moreover famous for inventing 'news'/spins to achieve this.)







Hmmm, Iran-and-Iraq messing with each other and the mentions of "Iran's Revolutionary Guard" reminds me. Need to find some coverage of that other piece of news too. 'kay, here then:



4. www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10676396

Iran crosses into Iraq to hit bombing suspects

By Nasser Karimi

10:00 AM Monday Sep 27, 2010

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[color="#800080"][photo caption:][/color] Members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard killed 30 fighters in Iraq. Photo / AP



TEHRAN, IRAN - Iranian forces crossed into neighbouring Iraq and killed 30 fighters from a group it says was involved in last week's bombing of a military parade, state TV reported.



Gen. Abdolrasoul Mahmoudabadi of the elite Revolutionary Guards said the "terrorists" were killed on Saturday in a clash "beyond the border" and that his forces were still in pursuit of two men who escaped the ambush.



While Iran has said in the past it would target armed groups on Iraqi soil this is a rare case of it actually admitting to an attack.



Iraqi officials have complained in the past about Iranian artillery shelling its northern mountainous region where armed Kurdish opposition groups have taken refuge.



An explosion during a military parade in the town of Mahabad, in Iran's northwestern Kurdish region, killed 12 women and children on Wednesday.



Iran has already blamed the attack on Kurdish separatists who have fought Iranian forces in the area for years, but most Kurdish groups condemned the attack and no one has so far claimed responsibility for it.



Iran has also blamed Israel, the US and supporters of Iraq's previous regime for supporting the Kurdish groups.



The parade was one of several held around the country to mark the 30th anniversary of the start of the Iran-Iraq war.



The city of Mahabad is home to 190,000 people -- most of them Kurds and Sunni Muslims. Iran is predominantly Shiite.



Government forces in Iraq, Iran and Turkey have all periodically battled with the Kurdish minorities straddling their borders. They fear the groups are seeking to unite territory in all three nations to form an independent Kurdish homeland.



The most active rebellion is in southeastern Turkey, where the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, has fought for greater autonomy and civil rights since 1984 in a battle that has killed tens of thousands of people. They have sometimes operated from bases across the border in northern Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish region, sparking a large-scale cross-border Turkish military campaign in February 2008 that involved air strikes and ground troops.



The group in Iran is a wing of the PKK and also sometimes operates inside friendly territory in Iraqi Kurdistan. Like Turkey, Iran's military has attacked their bases on the other side of the border with occasional artillery strikes.



Inside Iran, their fight has mostly involved occasional roadside bombs and other attacks targeting security forces. Iranian authorities also linked the rebels to a terrorist cell whose members were arrested last month on suspicion of plotting to assassinate officials.



- AP

By Nasser Karimi

Notice this latest perfect example of islamic brotherhood in practice. No reason to complain, just as one doesn't complain about the christocrusaders and the jihadists doing each other in in the ME and Afghanistan etc and their christo and islamic counterparts in Kerala up to the same. They're both just doing those very few things christoislamania makes them expertly good at: genociding, lying (+ thieving others' religio-culture, etc.)

[Husky]

Still on the above.



http://au.yahoo.com/ @ this moment

If you hover over the link to "'Iraq bloodbath' exposed" near the top, then the image will change to an unpleasant one with the caption:

WikiLeaks war horror docs out



Whistleblower website WikiLeaks has released 40,000 Iraq war files, detailing prisoners' abuse and torture [color="#FF0000"]by US forces.[/color]

Iraq war files: Blow-by-blow account

But it clearly says "Iraqi forces" in the following that the above links to, and the links in the previous posts also imply the same (the way I read it), so I was certain one didn't need to read "US forces stationed in Iraq" for "Iraqi forces"? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> Maybe with the "US forces" statement above, they mean the Iraqi arm of the US forces, i.e. their brutal allied Iraqi footsoldiers, helping to maintain the "democratic order" of the US presence in Iraq?





au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8185825/wikileaks-data-shows-u-s-failed-to-probe-iraqi-abuse-cases/

WikiLeaks data shows U.S. failed to probe Iraqi abuse cases

Phil Stewart, Reuters

October 23, 2010, 2:31 pm



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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - WikiLeaks released nearly 400,000 classified U.S. files on the Iraq war on Friday, some detailing gruesome cases of prisoner abuse by Iraqi forces that the U.S. military knew about but did not seem to investigate.



The Pentagon decried the website's publication of the secret reports -- the largest security breach of its kind in U.S. military history, far surpassing the group's dump of more than 70,000 Afghan war files in July.



U.S. officials said the leak endangered U.S. troops and threatened to put some 300 Iraqi collaborators at risk by exposing their identities.



WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said the documents showed evidence of war crimes, but the Pentagon dismissed the files as "ground-level" field reports from a well-chronicled war with no real surprises.

[color="#800080"](And *that* is supposed to be a reason to dismiss these documents? Because they "don't surprise" the Pentagon? Do these mad creatures even hear what they are saying? Of course the Pentagon wasn't surprised: it already knew about all these wonderfully glorious moments of US' little tour of duty in Iraq under its watchful eye.)[/color]



"We deplore WikiLeaks for inducing individuals to break the law, leak classified documents and then cavalierly share that secret information with the world," Geoff Morrell, Pentagon press secretary, said.



The Iraq war files touched on other themes, including well-known U.S. concerns about Iranian training and support for Iraqi militias. The documents, which spanned 2003 to 2009, also detailed 66,081 civilian deaths in the Iraqi conflict, WikiLeaks said.



Assange told Al Jazeera television the documents had provided enough material for 40 wrongful killing lawsuits.



"There are reports of civilians being indiscriminately killed at checkpoints ... of Iraqi detainees being tortured by coalition forces, and of U.S. soldiers blowing up entire civilian buildings because of one suspected insurgent on the roof," WikiLeaks said in a statement.



In one 2007 case, according to the documents, an Apache helicopter killed two Iraqis suspects who had made signs that they wanted to surrender. The document said, "They can not surrender to aircraft and are still valid targets." It can be seen here: http://warlogs.wikileaks.org/id/E8DE9B9F...09FF48BE2/



Although the Iraq conflict has faded from U.S. public debate in recent years, the document dump threatens to revive memories of some of the most trying times in the war, including the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal.



CRACKED RIBS AND EXECUTIONS



Those media organizations given advance access to the database -- 10 weeks in one case -- broadly concluded that the documents showed that U.S. forces had effectively turned a blind eye to torture and abuse of prisoners by Iraqi forces.



In one case, an Iraqi policeman shot a detainee in the leg. The suspect was whipped with a rod and hose across his back, cracking ribs, causing multiple lacerations and welts.



"The outcome: 'No further investigation,'" the Guardian wrote.



The documents also cited cases of rape and murder, including a videotaped execution of a detainee by Iraqi soldiers. That document can be seen here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iraq/war...1D750FE720



The New York Times said that "while some abuse cases were investigated by the Americans, most noted in the archive seemed to have been ignored." It said soldiers had told their officers about the abuses and then asked Iraqis to investigate.



Amnesty International condemned the revelations in the documents and questioned whether U.S. authorities had broken international law by handing over detainees to Iraqi forces known to be committing abuses "on a truly shocking scale."



"These documents apparently provide further evidence that the U.S. authorities have been aware of this systematic abuse for years," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's director for the Middle East and North Africa.



The document release could also renew debate about foreign and domestic players influencing Iraq, which has been in a political vacuum since an inconclusive election in March.



Military intelligence reports released by WikiLeaks detail U.S. concerns that Iranian agents had trained, armed and directed death squads in Iraq, the Guardian reported.



It cited an October 31, 2005, report stating that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps "directs Iranian-sponsored assassinations in Basra."



The U.S. envoy in Iraq said in August he believed groups backed by Iran were responsible for a quarter of U.S. casualties in the Iraq war.



More than 4,400 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the start of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. All U.S. forces are set to withdraw from Iraq by the end of next year.

(Additional reporting by Adrian Croft in London; Editing by Peter Cooney)

Like wartime Europe. US' role in this reminds me of the German nazis, while the catholic nazi ustashe of Croatia + islamic hanschar nazis of Yugoslavia are reminiscent of the Iraqi forces: the Balkan nazi duo were recorded as being more brutal than the German nazis, but in league with and working for the same objectives as those who were the overall controllers of the nazi vision for Europe.





What "democracy" and "human rights" is this? The christoislamaniac kind. The words never mean what one is told they mean.



Why is it that every time christo-AmriKKKa rearranges the world according to its whims, the world is left a far worse place than before.

A bloody mess they helped make infinitely bloodier still in Iraq. Nothing like pouring christomania on top of the islamaniac mayhem.

[Guest]

Tsunami is predicted in USA from North, east, south and West Coast.



Lot of media guru's are on suicide watch on 2nd Nov.

[ramana]

[quote name='Mudy' date='02 November 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1288727350' post='109081']

Tsunami is predicted in USA from North, east, south and West Coast.



Lot of media guru's are on suicide watch on 2nd Nov.

[/quote]





No! They will kill the watchers with their pretzel arguements that they were not wrong.



Anyway whats the magnitude you are hearing?

[Capt M Kumar]

Once someone's emotions predispose them toward a political philosophy, they tend to pay more attention to information that reinforces their position, said Peter Ditto, a psychologist at the University of California, Irvine, who has collaborated with Haidt. Ignoring contradictory information is easier than ever, given the proliferation of partisan news sources and blogs.



This fundamental gap is why liberals and conservatives often hit a wall while arguing issues with one another, Ditto said. http://www.livescience.com/culture/polit...01101.html



"I've never won a political argument," Ditto said. "You can never pin people down ... These emotions organize our factual understanding of the world, and then you get stuck."

[Guest]

It can happen only in California, Where people had elected dead person.



Sen. Jenny Oropeza, D-Long Beach, won re-election in the heavily Democratic 28th Senate District despite her death Oct. 20.



Oklahoma voters ban shariah law

[dhu]

[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333"]Royal car attacked in protest after MPs' fee vote[/url]



A car containing Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall has been attacked amid violence after MPs voted to raise university tuition fees in England.



A window was cracked and their car hit by paint, but the couple were unharmed.



In angry scenes, protesters battled with police in Parliament Square. Hundreds were contained on Westminster Bridge for a time by officers.



...

Other reported actions taken by the protesters include:



* Setting the Christmas tree in Trafalgar Square alight

* Smashing windows at shops in Oxford Street

* Vandalising statues in Parliament Square, including that of Winston Churchill

* A sit-in by about 150 students at the National Gallery

[Guest]

[dhu]

[url="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/indian-programmer-jailed-years-plot-destroy-fannie-maes-financial-data/"]Indian Programmer jailed three years over plot to wipe out all of Fannie Mae’s financial data[/url]

[dhu]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods"]Operation Northwoods,[/url] or Northwoods, was a series of false-flag operation proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

[dhu]

Kissinger jokes about the genocide of Hindus:



"Yahya hasn't had such fun since the last Hindu massacre."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB66/ch-41.pdf

[Guest]

[ramana]

[quote name='dhu' date='16 January 2011 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1295160514' post='110274']

Kissinger jokes about the genocide of Hindus:



"Yahya hasn't had such fun since the last Hindu massacre."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB66/ch-41.pdf

[/quote]





Dhu, Dont find any ref to your quote in the pdf. Maybe wrong link?

[ramana]

Simon Schama, "The American Future: A History"

Ecco | 2009 | ISBN: 0060539232, 0061669075, 0670044792, 1405688831, 1847920004, 0099520397, 0061879541 | 416 pages

From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com Reviewed by Michael Kazin



Who does Simon Schama think he is? The Columbia University historian seems to have few intellectual limits and to require little sleep. He has written path-breaking books about Dutch history and culture; the Rothschilds and the creation of Israel; sprawling narratives about the Revolution in France and slavery during the Revolution in America; a thick study of Rembrandt; a postmodern historical novel; dozens of provocative essays about art; and multi-part television documentaries about the history of Britain and the work of great artists, both of which attracted millions of viewers and, inevitably, hundreds of scholarly critics.

Now Schama has chosen to examine the meaning of America's entire past and to suggest why it has culminated, quite happily in his view, in the election of Barack Obama. I suspect that historians on campuses across the nation are guiltily hoping that this time, Schama's reach has finally exceeded his grasp. They will be disappointed -- but only in part. As a literary endeavor, "The American Future" does live up to the author's lofty standards. Schama is, among other things, a nimble biographer.



And in this book he tells four big, interlocking stories -- about war, religion, immigration and economic growth -- largely through the dramatic lives of individuals whose names will be familiar mainly to specialists. In Montgomery Meigs, he finds an exemplar of the soldier as engineer of grand purposes. While a young army officer in the 1850s, Meigs designed the aqueduct that supplied Washington, D.C., with free, clean water. Then, as quartermaster general during the Civil War, he helped ensure the Union victory by keeping the blue-clad troops supplied with mules, food, soap and dry underwear -- humble, necessary goods that their Confederate enemies often lacked. He also made the decision to establish a military cemetery on the grounds of Robert E. Lee's estate in Arlington, so that the soil of the treasonous general would be, as Schama writes, "purified with the bones of the blessed dead," among whom was Meigs's oldest son.



To illustrate how American religion has often been a liberating faith, Schama introduces a former slave-turned-evangelist named Jarena Lee, whose sermons converted thousands of people to Methodism during the early years of the 19th century. "On and on went the inexhaustible road warrior," Schama writes, "exhorting in field and forest, in camp revivals and Love Feasts, comforting the dying" in the New York City cholera epidemic of 1831, "an authentic American phenomenon, preaching to overflowing congregations, the first, in her way, of the great black orators." Throughout the book, Schama counterposes such uplifting tales with deplorable ones. Meigs, the abolitionist in uniform, is balanced by Andrew Jackson, the military hero who, as president, ordered the U.S. Army to drive the Cherokees off their lands in Georgia. Schama sets Jarena Lee -- along with Fannie Lou Hamer, the legendary civil rights organizer and lay preacher of the 1960s -- against retired Gen. William Boykin, a devout Christian who served under Donald Rumsfeld during the first year of the Iraq war. Boykin once called Islam a religion of idolatry and told an audience he "wanted to arrive" in heaven " 'with blood on my knees and elbows . . . standing with a ragged breastplate of righteousness.'



" What made America great, Schama suggests, has also been the source of its greatest flaws. Yet such vignettes -- and there are many more here -- do little to advance a fresh understanding of the American past. To describe the power of religious zeal and of zealous men in arms could be the starting point for an argument about the roots and consequences of ideological warfare. But Schama mostly allows his seductive portraits to speak for him. "The American Future" was written to accompany a TV series of the same name, which aired in the United States on Inauguration Day. Artful evocation may be all one can expect from such an enterprise. Still, one would like to come away from reading a book by such a thoughtful historian with a few insights to accompany his characters. No such reticence is evident in Schama's comments about our new president. "The Statue of Liberty was no longer a bad joke," he writes about the mood on election night 2008. Beyond the nominee's race, "American democracy came back from the dead" thanks to Obama's grassroots campaign and now has a chance to realize the unity of "independence" and "interdependence" that has led the nation out of its most serious crises. "The American Future" demonstrates once again that Schama is a quick study, a writer of gorgeous prose, and that he has a deep and clear-eyed love for his adopted land. It will take a while to see whether the distinguished historian is also a reliable prophet.