Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6

[Husky]

[quote name='Husky' date='14 March 2010 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1268543592' post='105163']4. It tries to blame others. (Including individuals, like the victims of sexual abuse.) It hardly ever excommunicates any of its own hierarchy, which shows that it is NOT repentant and WILL do it again. I think I saw a recent example illustrating this, will try to find it.[/quote]



Here's an example of this Do Nothing To Punish The Criminals attitude - news of last month:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35394634/ns/...ews-europe

Irish bishops meet pope in summit on sex abuse

Irish Bishop Joseph Duffy, seen during a meeting with the press, in Rome, Sunday, Feb. 14, 2010 . [color="#FF0000"]Duffy says resignations will not be on the agenda[/color] when he and other bishops meet with the pope at a Vatican summit this week about the pedophile priest scandal that has rocked Ireland. Bishop Joseph Duffy, a spokesman for the Irish Bishops Conference, acknowledged that the church had been slow to react to the scandal, which included systematic, physical and psychological abuse by clergy of minors in parishes and Catholic-run orphanages, workhouses and boarding schools. (AP Photo/Sandro Pace)



By FRANCES D'EMILIO

Associated Press Writer



updated 7:42 a.m. ET Feb. 15, 2010



ROME - An extraordinary summit between Irish bishops and Pope Benedict XVI opened Monday with a prayer and fraternal kisses in what Ireland's top bishop called a first step toward repentance for the country's clergy sex abuse scandal.



The delegation's top member, Cardinal Sean Brady, archbishop of Armagh and primate of all Ireland, told Vatican Radio the two-day meeting was part of a "journey of repentance, reconciliation and renewal" for the Irish Church.



An investigation last year revealed that church leaders in Dublin had spent decades protecting child-abusing priests from the law while many fellow clerics turned a blind eye. A separate report in Ireland released months earlier documented decades of sexual, physical and psychological abuse in Catholic-run schools, workhouses and orphanages.



The revelations shocked the predominantly Catholic nation.



[size="5"]Clogher Bishop Joseph Duffy said resignations were not on the agenda in Rome, [color="#FF0000"]despite victims' demands that clerics who played a role in concealing pedophile priests step down.[/color][/size]



The 24 bishops went one by one to the pontiff and kissed his hand in a sign of fraternal respect in the first of two sessions on Monday.



On Tuesday, before heading back to Ireland for Ash Wednesday penance services, the bishops will have one more session with Benedict, who before becoming pope had decried "filth" among some ranks of clerics in the worldwide church.

[color="#800080"]("Filth" - just words from his papal infallibleness - that the catholic church has no intention of removing: it intends to cultivate it. Christianism only knows to behave christian.)[/color]



Benedict asked each bishop where they were from before prayers began the summit and cameras were ushered out of the salon in the Apostolic Palace. The meeting continued behind closed doors.



The Holy See planned to comment only after the summit ends early Tuesday afternoon.



Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said one point of discussion will be the special pastoral letter Benedict has promised to send on the abuse scandal. Duffy indicated on Sunday that the letter's issuance is not imminent because of the complexity of the scandal.



Victims have been clamoring not only for resignations, including of one of the bishops at the summit, but for the Vatican to take clear responsibility for what they call a culture of concealment of abuse.



Several Irish bishops have agreed to resign, including two who stepped down on Christmas Day, but others have flatly refused.



[color="#FF0000"]If the pontiff's letter "limits itself to ... expressions of regret, there will be considerable disappointment among the faithful," read an editorial Monday in the Irish Times.[/color]

[color="#800080"](It's the Battered Spouse syndrome. Says faithful abuse victim: "We'll be disappointed that no action is taken against those who sexually assaulted us, but don't worry Pope, we'll continue to love the fictional jeebus that is the source of all this misery anyway." Were this a crime perpetrated by "secular" individuals and if the government made no arrests, then you know the victims would not have tolerated it. No talk of "disappointment" then. But battered spouse is always blind to partner's unchangeable tyranny. It's infatuation. The christoclass meme instills infatuation in its sheepish ummah, so that the sheep/ummah is programmed to excuse all christoislamic crimes against itself.)[/color]



Bishops will each speak with the pontiff about their views and knowledge of decades-long sexual, psychological and physical abuse of minors by parish priests and by clergy in Catholic orphanages, workhouses, and other institutions.



"Trials that come from inside are of course the most difficult and humiliating," the Vatican No. 2, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said in a homily during Mass before the summit's opening. "(But) every kind of trial can become a motive for purification and sanctification as long as one is illuminated by faith ... and as long as the sinner recognizes his sin."



Among the bishops at the summit will be Martin Drennan of Galway, who has insisted he did nothing to endanger children, and rebuffed calls that he stepped down.



In the Dublin report, investigators determined that a succession of archbishops and senior aides had compiled confidential files on more than 100 parish priests who had sexually abused children since 1940. The files had remained locked in the Dublin archbishop's private vault.



Abuse victims, galvanized by former altar boy Andrew Madden, who in 1995 became the first Irish person to go public with a lawsuit against the church, have accused the pope and his diplomat in Ireland, Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza, of [color="#FF0000"]hiding behind "diplomatic protocols"[/color] in refusing to respond to letters from Irish investigators about the extent of abuse and [color="#FF0000"]cover-up[/color].



Leanza is a summit participant.



The reports follow a campaign by the archbishop of Dublin and primate of Ireland, Diarmuid Martin, to confront abuse allegations and deal honestly with the cover-up and victims' suffering. Martin, who heads the Holy See's office on justice, had welcomed the bishops' resignations last year.



Among the Holy See officials joining the summit is U.S. Cardinal William Levada, who heads the [size="5"][color="#FF0000"]Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a key Vatican office that reviews abuse claims against clergy worldwide.[/color][/size]

[color="#800080"](Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith is - as you know - the new name of what was previously called the Holy Inquisition. So *of course* it would be the key Vatican office to review abuse claims against clergy.)[/color]



[color="#FF0000"]The pope himself once held the office,[/color] when he was known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, and led it during the years of John Paul II's papacy, which was stained by an explosion of sex abuse and cover-up scandals in the United States, Australia and other countries.

[color="#800080"](So Ratzy is fully trained in the necessary denial and cover-up required for this aspect of the church's daily business of tormenting the world's populace.)[/color]



Duffy said the bishops' discussions with Benedict would be frank.



[color="#0000FF"]"It is my information that the pope is very well clued in on this issue, that even before he became pope he had access to the documentation, and that he know exactly what was in the documentation, and that he wasn't living in a fool's paradise," Duffy said.[/color]



During pilgrimages to the U.S. and Australia, Benedict has met privately with sex abuse victims.

[color="#800080"](Said spouse to battered spouse: "Sweetie-baby-honey-darling, you know I'm sorry I struck you - okay, beat you up - I won't do it again. I swear this time. Forgive me?"

"Yes." :infatuated:

"Just don't turn me in okay?"

"Ok. ... I love you."

"Yeah. Love ya back." Etc.

Cheesy movie? Nah. It's *real*. That's what Ratzy did when he privately met with sex abuse victims: they'd have been so thrilled at his papal interest in their persons that they'd have agreed to keep things private or even drop any intended charges. Ratzy makes his most concerned Darth Sidious face and puffs: "I feel deeply for your pain. Jesus, who is the son of god and suffered and died on the cross for you, feels deeply for you. And I apologise. It's a very delicate matter, but rest assured that we will be investigating it. In nomine... (etc)")[/color]



In recent weeks, a new sexual abuse scandal involving clergy has erupted in the Catholic church in Benedict's homeland of Germany.

The last line of the above article is the news event that Dhu's post referred to. E.g.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35795701/ns/...ws-europe/

German Catholics to investigate abuse charges

[color="#FF0000"]One question: What did Pope Benedict and his brother know?[/color]



In this 2006 file photo, Pope Benedict XVI, right, walks with his brother, priest Georg Ratzinger, in Regensburg, southern Germany.

View related photos



updated 2:24 p.m. ET March 10, 2010



BERLIN - Catholic authorities in Germany announced two major abuse investigations Wednesday — one into the renowned choir once led by Pope Benedict XVI's brother and another into what everyone, including the pope, knew about the sexual and physical abuse of students.



The Roman Catholic diocese of Regensburg in southern Germany said it appointed an independent investigator to examine the allegations of physical and sexual abuse that have engulfed the prestigious Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir, which was led by the Rev. Georg Ratzinger, the pope's older brother, from 1964 until 1994. [color="#0000FF"]So far[/color], the sexual abuse allegations predate Ratzinger's term.

[color="#800080"](Also note how it's the catholic diocese itself that *says* it has appointed an 'independent' investigator. It's not the government who has appointed people to this task. That means, the entire business is treated as an internal affair to the church: i.e. it's going by the church handbook on how to deal with sexual abuse cases. A very 'independent' investigator, I'm sure.

Since when was Germany a Catholic theocracy?)[/color]



Diocese spokesman Jacob Schoetz said that Nuremberg lawyer Andreas Scheulen was named to lead the inquiry.

[color="#800080"](Any hidden ties to the church, by any chance? The faithful are to be found in all professions, after all. Hence my question.

Hmmm, a Nuremberg lawyer, Herr Andreas Sheulen. Any experience in covering up the Vatican-nazism partnership of WWII, and in diverting those hearings from revealing anything of that nature? Need to ask.)[/color]



"The independent lawyer will thoroughly go through all existing legal papers, all court decisions and any information available," Schoetz said. "We expect to publish first results within the next two weeks."



In addition, the German Bishop's Conference said it would look into [color="#FF0000"]wider-ranging allegations across the country[/color] after more than 170 students at Catholic schools have said they were sexually or physically abused decades ago.



The conference said it had not launched a formal investigation but had called on parishes and church institutions in Germany to conduct their own examinations. The conference is also seeking expert advice on the issue, prelate Karl Juesten told The Associated Press.



Those local investigations will also examine allegations of sexual abuse at the choir and look into what, if anything, the pope himself knew in his previous position as the archbishop of Munich.



"We do not know if the pope knew about the abuse cases at the time," Juesten said. "However, we assume that this is not the case."

[color="#800080"](Blue bit highlighted in previous article above shows different: that the pope has been through the documentation on abuse cases. So it's merely that he knows or doesn't know depending on what's the most convenient excuse for the occasion.)[/color]



Munich Archbishop Reinhard Marx will be "certainly investigating these questions," he said.



Stricter rules

In reaction to the spiraling child abuse scandal, the German government said it would impose stricter rules on educators. Families Minister Kristina Schroeder told the Wiesbadener Kurier daily Wednesday that local authorities will be allowed to ask for a thorough police check on all applicants who are going to work with kids.



Juesten, the liaison between Roman Catholic bishops and the German government, also praised Ratzinger, the pope's brother, for saying sorry to victims on Tuesday for doing nothing decades ago to stop the beating of students.



Ratzinger says students told him of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school decades ago and apologized for doing nothing about it.



Reached by telephone Wednesday, Ratzinger said he had no further comment on the matter.



Ratzinger had first said he was unaware of any abuse, and Juesten said that others should follow the 86-year-old's lead in coming clean.



"The other perpetrators should follow the example set by Mr. Ratzinger and apologize to the victims for the abuse they have committed," he said.



However, the pope's brother has said he was unaware of allegations of sexual abuse at his own choir — incidents alleged to have occurred before his tenure.

[color="#800080"](How convenient. And one is expected to believe it was only before, because....?) [/color]



Particularly sensitive

The Roman Catholic Church has been hit by years of abuse claims in the United States, Canada, Ireland, Australia and other countries. Yet the German abuse allegations are particularly sensitive because Germany is the pope's homeland, and because the scandals involve the prestigious choir led by his brother for 30 years.



Juesten said it was not known if Benedict, who served as archbishop of Munich and Freising from 1977 to 1982, was aware of any of the child abuse cases that took place then at Catholic schools and other institutions. Benedict did not oversee the Domspatzen choir, which reported instead to the Regensburg Diocese.



[color="#0000FF"]Juesten also called Ratzinger's apology to the victims an act of courage and a "wonderful sign" that all charges would be investigated. [/color]

[color="#800080"](<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> These people are on permanent acid.)[/color]

[color="#0000FF"]"It is certainly not easy for such a man to publicly apologize," Juesten said.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Let me see if I get this straight: they're worried about whether the pope has it easy? What about the abuse victims? But I forget, it's all about christ/christianism, and the pope 'vicar of christ' is the face of catholicism - suitably vampyric as it is - so he can't lose face. Even though the victims have lost their childhood and a normal life.)[/color]



Schoetz, the spokesman for the Regensburg Diocese, said there were several cases of sexual abuse by two priests at the choir in 1958 and 1959.



"Sentences have been handed down, the accused have been punished and have since died," he said.



However, Scheulen, the lawyer leading the inquiry, will be asked to collect any type of other information or allegations on all possible cases of physical or sexual abuse, Schoetz said.



'Severe beatings were normal'

Franz Wittenbrink, 61, sang in the Regensburger Domspatzen choir from 1958 to 1967, said he was physically abused on a regular basis by the priests at its boarding school.



"Severe beatings were normal, but Ratzinger did not belong to the group of more sadistic abusers," Wittenbrink said in a phone interview with the AP from Hamburg. "But I do accuse him of covering up the abuses."



[color="#FF0000"]Wittenbrink said all boys suffered some physical abuse but a "selected group" of students was also abused sexually.[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]Another former choir boy at Domspatzen told the Bild Zeitung daily that he and other boys were sexually abused by teachers at the choir's boarding school in the 1950s. Manfred von Hove was quoted as saying he "finally wants to have answers and find out who was responsible for the cover-up at the time."[/color]



Von Hove also said he planned to sue the Regensburg Diocese for compensation.



Von Hove's telephone number is not listed and he could not be reached for further comment.



[color="#0000FF"]CONTINUED : Ratzinger admits to slapping[/color]



Ratzinger has repeatedly said the sexual abuse allegations date from before his tenure as choir director.

[color="#800080"](As the investigations have revealed so far. Then again, I doubt Pope Ratzy will let Brother Ratzy bring down his papacy and so we probably won't hear more of it.)[/color]



"These things were never discussed," Ratzinger told the Passauer Neue Presse daily. "The problem of sexual abuse that has now come to light was never spoken of."



Ratzinger did admit slapping students in the face as punishment for many years, but said he was happy when corporal punishment was made illegal in 1980. Corporal punishment was standard in German schools until the reform movement of the 1960s.



Yet the allegations of beatings from one elementary school at Etterzhausen, however, go far beyond the norm of corporal punishment.



Rudolf Neumaier, a student at Domspatzen Preschool in Pielenhofen in 1981 and 1982, told the AP he was slapped there, witnessed the corporal punishment of other boys, and saw then-director Johann Meier hit an eight-year-old boy with a chair.



Neumaier, who went on to join the Domspatzen choir in Regensburg in 1982, stressed he did not witness or hear about any abuse at the choir boarding school itself. But he said he personally told the pope's brother about the violence at the preschool but Ratzinger did nothing about it.



"I told Ratzinger myself, but he chose not to listen," Neumaier said.



Neumaier said he was shocked to find out that preschool director Meier stayed in his job until 1992.



The schools at Etterzhausen and Pielenhofen, where severe beatings have been reported, were two feeder schools for Ratzinger's choir, and Ratzinger said Tuesday that boys had told him about being mistreated at Etterzhausen but he did not understand how bad it was.

[color="#800080"]("I plead innocence because I didn't understand their ... uh German." said Ratzy 2. "No no no, it was because I had my headphones on at that time and was too busy listening away to Gloria In Exelsis Deo for the umpteenth time.") [/color]



Germany's abuse cases are expected to be brought up Friday at the Vatican when the head of the German bishops conference, Bishop Robert Zollitsch, holds a regular meeting with the pope.



The German government has also announced plans for "round table" meetings involving school, church and other representatives to work on ways of detecting, preventing and dealing with future abuse. The first meeting is set for April 23.

[color="#800080"](Or rather, they mean: for covering things up better. It's what they've always done. And they've only ever looked after the perpetrators - who are more their own than their flock. See below.)[/color]

Repeat: http://www.sarabite.info/pd-ratzipics.html

As head of the CDF, Ratzinger deliberately cranked the clock back to the Middle Ages. Or at least long before the Second Vatican Council. He personally helped squash most of the progressive hopes that he himself had promoted during the Council. It reads like a litany of the damned. Among them are:



[...]

And the main reason: [color="#0000FF"]Clergy abuse cases are once again handled secretly, with automatic excommunication incurred by anyone who violates it.[/color] For more information see Timeline of the Sex Scandals

Does the former Head Inquisitor seem like he's going to behave any differently now?



The *real* filth - where the buck stops - is christianism. Need to get rid of that. (All of christoislamicommunism.)