Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6

[Husky]

1. On that ^ topic. One of the comments at

vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=633

I have badly effected in this religious conversion, my whole family (Dad, Mum, Sister, and her husband) is being converted now!!! They tried to convert my wife and some of other relations too.... Some severe action should be taken on this CASE, otherwise in another few generations total HINDUISM will goes off.....

Saravanan

17 Apr 2010

The xtian plan seems to be to convert AP and TN first and then goad them into secession.

Their objective is simply India For Christ. (Just like already claimed about the NE.) They have said this repeatedly: to plant the cross on ALL of India. And can see this again in the red bit highlighted in quoteblock in #4.

India converted bit by bit if necessary.

Eventually the intention is to re-band. The Oryan-Dravoodians and other such christo-inventions all forgot. "We're all one under chwist now. Jeebus has unified us. It's a miracle!" (They're the ones who had to first divide the indigenous population with their inventions in order to convert them into unified cannibal sheep.)



2. http://web.archive.org/web/2007121808020...story3.htm

From "Jesus Christ: Myth & Reality", the chapter "The Pagan Evidence" by Sita Ram Goel

The Greeks and Romans have left to posterity a vast historical and philosophical literature written in or referring to the time-bracket when Jesus is supposed to have lived. But it is unaware of him. Seneca (2 BC-66 AD), Pliny the Elder (23-79 AD), Martial (40-102 AD), Plutarch (45-125 AD), Juvenal (55-140 AD), Apuleius (d. 170 AD), Pausanius (d. 185 AD), and Dio Casius (155-240 AD) do not mention any Jesus or Christ. Epictetus (50-100 AD) refers to Galileans starting with Judas the Galilean who led the Jewish revolt against Rome in the first decade of the first century, but not to Jesus of Nazareth who is supposed to have come from Galilee shortly afterwards.



Much has been made by Christian apologists of a few words or stray passages referring to "Chrestus" or his worshippers in Pliny the Younger (60-114 AD), Tacitus (55-120 AD), Suetonius (70-120 AD) and Sulpicius Severus (d. 400 AD). But critical scrutiny has shown that all these references either do not relate to Jesus of Nazareth, or are influenced by Christian tradition, or are clever Christian fabrications. Ian Wilson concludes that "in all this there is scarcely a crumb of information to compel a belief in Jesus' existence".4 Paul Johnson comments that fabrications "occur throughout the history of Christianity up to Renaissance and even beyond".5



The word "Chrestus" which occurs in some of these Pagan sources and which has provided grist to the mill of Christian apologetics, did not mean in the ancient world the same as the word "Christus" or "Christos". This appellation simply meant "good" or "agreeable" and was claimed by characters belonging to several sects which practised initiation by anointment. That alone can explain the attempt by a Christian scribe to scratch the "e" in Chrestus and replace it by an "i" in a manuscript of Tacitus.6 What clinches the argument is that the word "Christian" does not appear in the Christian literature itself before [color="#FF0000"]140 AD[/color]. On the other hand, anti-Christian polemics which appears for the first time around [color="#FF0000"]160 AD, starts by questioning the existence of a character called Jesus Christ.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Which is why Julian consistently called them "galilaeans", instead of "christians". He refused to pretend they/their religion had any history or legitimacy. To use "christians" would mean he had assented to (hence recognised) their ridiculous claims of "christians" having existed for longer than they actually had.

Julian did not merely deny and refute jeebus' historicity, as others had before him, he also denied any reality to christians' claims to a greater ancientry than they actually had.)[/color]



The Roman philosopher Celsus is quoted by Origen (185-254 AD), the great Christian theologian from Alexandria, as saying in 178 AD that "you [Christians] relate fables and do not even give them verisimilitude". Typho, another Roman polemist, wrote to Justin Martyr, the Church Father from Palestine (100-160 AD), that "you follow a vain rumour and are yourselves the makers of your Christ", and that "even were he born and lived somewhere none would know of him". As late as the last quarter of the fourth century, St. Jerome (340-420 AD) was complaining that the Gentiles doubted the very existence of Jesus, and that "in the time of the apostles even, when the blood of Jesus Christ in Judea was not yet dry, it was pretended that the body of the Lord was merely a phantom".7



Gibbon confirms that Christians were little known in the first two centuries of the Christian era, or, if known to some notables in the Roman Empire, were despised as dismal fanatics. "The name of Seneca," he writes, "of the elder and the younger Pliny, of Tacitus, of Plutarch, of Galen, of the slave Epictetus, and the emperor Marcus Antonius, adorn the age in which they flourished, and exalt the dignity of human nature. They filled with glory their respective stations, either in active or contemplative life; their excellent understandings were improved by study; philosophy had purified their minds from the prejudices of the popular superstition, and their days were spent in the pursuit of truth and the practice of virtue. Yet all these sages (it is no less an object of surprise than of concern) overlooked or rejected the perfection of the Christian system... Those among them who condescend to mention the Christians consider them only as obstinate and perverse enthusiasts who exacted an implicit submission to their mysterious doctrines without being able to produce a single argument that could engage the attention of men of sense and learning."8

Why can't Hindus be like the Hellenes: SAY IT. Keep saying it.

Jeebus never existed.





3. Inculturation

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.as...058&SKIN=C

Christian Bhajans - A "cut & paste", job

11/05/2010 15:09:29 GSK Menon



[color="#0000FF"]There was an article in The New Indian Express, Sunday , May 9th 2010, about a Christian priest, Fr.Joseph T, who was inspired by Hindu Bhajans and has been compelling his parishoners to imitate the same and do Bhajans in Churches. Whatever lines that have been quoted in the article appears to be a "cut & paste", job. The names of the Hindu Gods have been substituted by the Christian God.[/color]

(Now they are stealing even the lyrics of Hindu songs.)



What appeared very odd to me was the mention that there was resistance from the Parishoners against this move, and the clergy had to convince them that there was nothing Hindu about it ! Today we are witnessing wholesale photocopying of Hindu temple rituals, customs and rites by the Christians. Are these parishoners not aware of this. See the Kodimarams that are emerging in front of every church. It is an exact replica of the Hindu temple Kodimaram in every respect. The black rock base, gold mast engraved with images. Those who have in depth knowledge of the Christian religion will vouch that these are all allergic to the Christian faith. Francis Xavier the architect of the Goan Inquisition had a deep hatred for black rock which he identified as a favourite Hindu temple material. Gold was anathema to Christ, heard about Mammon worship ? Engraven images are another prohibited item.



Are these Parishoners not lighting the traditional Hindu Nilavilakku, which represents the Hindu trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva ? When I was young, my Christian friends would stand far away if a Nilavilakku was being lit in any function ! Today, there is not a single Christian function without the Nilavilakku, how ?



Are these Parishoners not putting Hindu names for their children ? I am writing this because the Article mentions that the Parishoners objected to the use of the word "Saranam" in the imitated Bhajans ! It was identified as a Hindu term. Modern day Christians want only Hindu names for their children. Even the clergy, especially in Tamilnadu and Andhra Pradesh [color="#0000FF"]insist upon the converts to retain their Hindu names and caste identities[/color] !

[color="#800080"](for cryptochristian. Church insists crypto christos marry into Hindu families and convert the family.)[/color]

Why, even the Christian gods & goddesses are adopting Hindu names ! Names used like Amala, Vimala, Nirmala, Parameshwar, Mahesh are 100% Hindu. How come the Parishoners do not object to all this ?

The Church has always maintained a double face. On the one hand it ridicules Hindu customs, rituals and rites for gaining converts. Once converted the pressure to imitate is thrust upon them.

[color="#800080"](There are no Gods and Goddesses in christianism.

The writer is probably referring to the various mary dolls and jeebus-on-a-stick scares in various churches that are being paraded around on the streets. Probably in areas were Hindus Temples were squeezed by the christogovt into poverty so these could be purchased by christoterrorism and converted into churches.)[/color]



The Church and its flock should willingly accept the Hindu faith as integral to their society.

[color="#800080"](No. Christianism is not a society, it is an ideology mutually exclusive to Hindu religion, it spells death to the Hindu Dharmic religion and all heathenisms. Christians MAY NOT "accept" the "Hindu faith" as some part of their "society", without denouncing christ, christianism, the church and all christianism and christoclass mindviruses. I.e. when they are conscious ex-christians, they may come back.)[/color]

There is no need to make the converted people to renounce and denounce their ancestral faith. Otherwise anomalies like the above mentioned is bound to emerge making Christianity as a distorted religion.

Also

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.as...503&SKIN=C

Christianity -A bundle of fabrications and imitations

by GSK Menon



4. More on inculturation. Probably a repost, still:

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDispl...spx?id=634

Inculturation: Fooling the Hindu Masses

Nithin Sridhar

15 Jun 2009



Early in 1982, Father Joseph Parekatil of the Catholic Church of Parasahi, Madhya Pradesh, destroyed the sacred murti of Goddess Visveshwari Siddheswari, enshrined on the nearby Nawain Tekdi hill, and erected a small wooden cross.Later, on 18 February 1983, a 31-foot high concrete cross was illegally erected on the hill. A month later, enraged villagers destroyed the cross.



On 20 February 1985, intent on regaining possession of the hill, Father Parekatil put on the orange robes of a Hindu sannyasin, built a hut on the hill, sat on a tiger skin and began performing worship in the Hindu style. As a result, thousands of simple Hindus came to the hill on Fridays, unaware of the deception going on before their eyes.



On 18 May, a complaint was registered, but to no avail. Again there was agitation in the area, and this time, on 1 October 1985, the villagers tore down the priest’s hut and tossed away the remaining pieces of the concrete cross. Father Parekatil gave up only when he was arrested a week later for breach of peace (1).



Father Parekatil’s tactic of adopting Hindu symbols to further his missionary goals is known as “inculturation” or “indigenization.” Swami Jayendra Saraswati, Sankaracharya of Kanchi Matham, made a valid point at the “Interfaith Dialogue” with Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran, president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, and others, in Mumbai on 12 July 2009.



The statement released to the media elaborates: “The Church in India must stop forthwith the use of Hindu religious words, phrases and symbols like Veda, Agama, Rishi, Ashram, Om and other such in what is referred to as ‘inculturation’ tactics, but which are only intended to deceive the vulnerable sections of our people who are the intended targets for religious conversion.”



He further challenged the church: “In 1999, Pope Johan Paul II had stated that the mission of the Vatican was to plant the Cross in Asia in the third millennium to facilitate the Christianizing of the world, which alone would cause the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Pope must tell us the rationale for the First Coming of Jesus Christ when there was no Christianity or the Church to undertake the mission to Christianize the world.”



[color="#0000FF"]The points raised are timely. Christianity has always followed a policy of ‘inculturation.’ It adopted Pagan elements in christianized form to pave the way for transition from Paganism to Christianity. Pagan gods became Christian saints and Pagan festivals became Christian festivals. In this process of inculturation, the Christian Church suborned old forms to its new message, making sure that the Pagan foundation was submerged under Christian doctrine (2).[/color]



“Indigenization is evangelization,” says Kaj Baag. “It is the planting of the gospel inside another culture, another philosophy, another religion” (3). In the case of India, ‘inculturation’ or ‘indigenisation’ means ‘the incorporation of Jesus in Indian spiritual tradition.’ Fr. Bede says, “In India we need a Christian Vedanta and a Christian Yoga that is a system of theology which makes use not only of the terms and concepts, but also of the whole structure of thought of Vedanta” (4).



Shantivanam Ashram on the banks of the sacred Kaveri River near Trichy in South India appears Hindu. It has a Hindu shrine, saffron-robed “swami” seated cross-legged on a straw mat, devotees practicing yogic meditations, even chanting Hindu scriptures. But these impressions gradually prove false. First, the eye detects that the courtyard shrine is for Saint Paul and that “puja” is actually, a daily Mass, complete with incense, lamps, flower offerings and prasadam. Finally, one meets the “swami,” Father Bede “Dayananda” Griffiths, a Christian “sannyasin.”



This is a Christian ashram, one of more than fifty in India, which are described as “experiments in cross-cultural communication,” or as “contemplative hermitages that revolve around both Christian and Hindu ideals.” [color="#0000FF"]Fr. J. Monchanin, one of the founding members of the ashram, defines his mission: “I have come to India for no other purpose than to awaken in a few souls the desire (the passion) [size="6"]to raise up a Christian India.[/size] It will take centuries, sacrificed lives and we shall perhaps die before seeing any realizations. [size="5"]A Christian India, completely Indian and completely Christian[/size] will be something so wonderful the sacrifice of our lives is not too much to ask” (5).[/color]



Sita Ram Goel, in his book “Catholic Ashrams,” lists 108 such Christian ashrams in India, 4 in Nepal and 8 in Sri Lanka. These ashrams include Asha Niketan, Bangalore, Karnataka; Bethany Ashram (1938), Channapatna, Karnataka; Christa Sevakee Ashram (1950), Karkala, Karnataka; Christian Institute for the study of Religion and Society, Bangalore, Karnataka; Yesu Karuna Prarthanalaya, Kote, Mysore District, Karnataka, and others (7).



Lausanne Movement (for world evangelization) published a paper titled “Christian witness to Hindus” (1980), listing some of the methods to be implemented to convert Hindus:



[color="#0000FF"]1] We should enunciate theology in Indian categories so that the Hindu can understand the gospel.



2] We must develop a truly Christian worldview consistent with the Indian context.



3] While presenting the gospel, we must be aware of the fact that the Hindu understands the doctrine of God, man, sin, and salvation in a way entirely different from the biblical doctrine.



4] Communicate the gospel through indigenous methods such as bhajans, drama, dialogue, discourse, Indian music, festival processions, etc. (6)[/color]



The present Catholic ashrams have inherited a history of intrigue and subterfuge. The Niyogi Commission report on Madhya Pradesh, 1956, noted: “Robert De Nobili (a Catholic Jesuit priest) appeared in Madura in 1607, clad in the saffron robes of a Sadhu with sandal paste on his forehead and the sacred thread on his body. He gave out that he was a Brahmin from Rome. He showed documentary evidence to prove that he belonged to a clan that had migrated from ancient India. He declared that he was bringing a message which had been taught in India by Indian ascetics of yore and that he was only restoring to Hindus one of their lost sacred books, namely the 5th Veda, called Yeshurveda (Jesus Veda). It passed for a genuine work until the Protestant Missionaries exposed the fraud about the year 1840. This Brahmin Sannyasi of the ‘Roman Gotra,’ Father De Nobili, worked for 40 years and died at the age of 89 in 1656. It is said that he had converted about a lakh of people, but they all melted away after his death” (8).



This is the situation the Hindu finds himself in today. Christian missionaries have adopted Hindu ways of life, Hindu religious symbols, architecture, worship forms, and even declare themselves as Swamis. A Catholic priest who calls himself “swami” instantly attains the status and authority of a holy man in Hindu society, which he can use to convert individuals.



By using Sanskrit terminology in his sermons, he implies a close relationship of Hindu theology to Catholic theology, a relationship which does not really exist.

[color="#800080"](The dravoodianist cryptochristos employ Samskritam too. You know they are not anti-Samskritam. Not at all. They just want to steal it from Hindu Dharma - by making Hindus themselves kick it - and gift it to christianism, as if christianism salvaged it.)[/color]

[color="#0000FF"]Such missionaries speak authoritatively on Hindu scriptures and argue that their [Christian] teachings are consonant with everything Hindu, but add a finishing touch, a “fullness” to the traditional faith.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Which is why today's subverted angelsk-speaking Hindus are so dangerous with their sacrificing what is HINDU in Hindu religion - the Gods - and making it that much easier for christianism to take what the subverted Hindu has already foolishly and ignorantly separated from the "polytheistic idolatry" that is Hindoooism and stick it onto christianism instead.

And today's Hindus are so alienated from their religion, they need to attend western lectures on what ardhanAreeshwara "means". Apparently they can't be bothered asking their expert parents/aunts/uncles or grandparents who would know. Instead, they have to resort to the speeches of some western person who has never even seen Ardhanaareeshwara.

You know Hindus are doomed when that happens. (Yet another sign that today's "heathens" are no longer heathens, but just people who hold onto the label.)

What ignominy to be reduced to this. Why can't Hindus be like the Taoists and Shintos, or the Hellenes: stick to their religion, instead of mouthing platitudes about it.

But might as well ask for the moon.)[/color]



Under such situation, no inter-faith interactions will bring any fruits unless the “church” mends its ways. As the Kanchi Perivaar rightly affirms: “After such inter-faith meetings, the points agreed have to be faithfully abided. Otherwise the will be no point in holding such meetings. Unless the Church reassures Hindus that it will not conduct itself in a manner that wounds Hindu sensibilities and follows up on those assurances, such inter-faith meetings, no matter how frequently they are held, will be futile and will not serve any meaningful cause.”





References



1] Hinduism Today, Indian Ocean Edition, December 1988.

2] Salvation: Hindu influence on Christianity by Dr. Koenraad Elst.

3] Kaj Baago, Pioneers of Indigenous Christianity, Madras, 1969, p. 85.

4] Bede Griffiths, op. cit., p. 24.

5] “Liberal” Christianity, Ram Swarup.

6] “Christian Witness to Hindus”, 1980, Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization.

7] Catholic Ashrams: Sanyassins or Swindlers, By Sita Ram Goel.

8] Niyogi Commission Report on Christian Missionary activities.



The author is a student of civil engineering, Mysore

Not only do they plan to make all of India christian - <- that is their goal, nothing less - but the inculturating kind wants to peddle the impossibility that Hindu religio-culture is some universal "Indian" "culture".* Hence the christian inculturist's statement "(1) A Christian India, (2) completely Indian and completely Christian".



And so you read Indian christos today declaring that vidyaarambham is "Indian" "culture" and "therefore" a part of their religion.

When it is actually core Hindu ritual: it concerns the Hindu and its Hindu Gods.



[* Treacherous 'Hindus' are the ones that started this mess from another angle and continue to facilitate it by selling subverted Yoga (there's no real Yoga in west), "Vedaanta Lite", really baaaad "keertanas" and other stuff in the west as being "universal". Is it any wonder then that crypto christos like Deepuke Chopstick do the same. While overt christos simply declare it all "christian" - from the Gayatri mantram on.]