Stolen from Bharatavarsha's #403:
The quoted character - "great bipin/buffoon" - is a typical christo(islami)terrorist. What's "interesting" is that the christoterrorist openly argues in a 'secular' space like TOI for the full-scale genocide of Hindus - i.e. the given christo-argument that "Hindus deserve the christoislamic terrorism/ethnic cleansing, for the crime of being Hindu". <- In that, note how - in parallel to such vocalised christo-thoughts - christianism in reality=in practice also uses (piggybacks with) islamism to genocide Hindus. The christogovt that's installed in India is an obvious case in point.
But except for the more 'novel' bit of advocating genocide of Hindus in such a context, the quoteblock's content does seem to be a common sort of christian argument. There was that earlier christoterrorist comment at MSN.in which was brought up in post 333. Hmmm, I notice that both the christoterrorist comments at the original msn.in link, which were back then copied and pasted into #333, are no longer hosted at msn.in now - probably someone reported it for the christoterrorism=christo-abuse=christo-filth that it IS (though the christo-editors of msn.in are not unlikely to have written the abuse themselves). A few other comments remain there now, some of which seem to still be in response to the missing christoterrorist ones.
The first of the now-removed comments reproduced below uses the same sort of christist line of 'argumentation' as the stuff pasted in BV's post (minus the overt christoislamic-advocacy of christoislamic genocide of Hindus). Note that the following christoterrorist comments were in response to an msn.in slideshow of Hindus of Assam etc celebrating a Hindoo holy day:
Then again, these things can hardly be something to complain about when absolutely no one complained about something much closer (the bold bit):
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='11 September 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1284222028' post='108244']
The key thing to remember is that the RSS-VHP in West Bengal at least has atrophied and is incapable of protecting Hindus
Apparently the VHP in Kolkata was more interested in Hanuman Chalisa chanting than Hindu protection
Shri Tapan Ghosh, was an ex-RSS pracharak, who left RSS to form Hindu Samhati
RSS still does a lot of good work, but it is no longer effective as Hindu riot protection, and Hindu riot protection was the
sole reason for starting RSS in 1925
I would urge all Hindus, especially bengalis to join Bharat Sevashram Sangha
This predates RSS and is a more militant form of RK mission
Bharat Sevashram Sangha is often the main resistance to islam in rural WB
So to all bengalis, please give up Saraswati Puja, Durga puja, Rabindro Sangeet and Kali temple and instead
just join Bharat Sevashram Sangha for both religion and self defence
And please do contribute to BSS locally[/quote]
- While christoislamism demands that Hindus give up worshipping Hindu Gods for the reason of christoislamism (even when such reasoning is couched under bad christoislamic taqiyah subversion attempts like "Hindus' worship of their Gods makes the river dirty and is asking for terrorism"),
- on the other hand, there are and have been nationalists - on fire for nationalism - that demand that Hindus do the same, though for "nationalist" reasons (one is told). E.g. for "Hindus own sake", if not for "the sake of the nation", or else some elusive future.
My favourite bit though is the incredibly inane "for your religion" suffix that IF's own member dropped in as an afterthought to his request/demand to Hindus to "abandon the Gods". (To ask people to abandon the Hindu Gods "for the sake of" Hindu religion IS inane.)
Giving up worship of the Hindu Gods and the celebration of the sacred festivals to the Gods is the same as abandoning the Hindu Gods.
So both christoislamism and G Subs/other such (he's not the only one) have made such demands. It's all the *same* anti-Hindu-ism. It's just that different voices are expressing the same, and for their own reasons. (I.e. the reasoning is different, the fundamentally anti-Hindu demands are the same.) Christoislamics are determined that their way (christoislamism) is the best way/the solution for Hindus, whereas a peculiar type of ...nationalists (it's the only identifier they have) are determined that their way is the best way/the solution for Hindus. Both require that Hindus abandon their Gods=religion to satisfy the ones (the ideology) making the demands.
Now, if any cheap 'Hindus' exist who could be swayed by any of these parties: if they had any sense, they would sooner satisfy islam's demands. Because, all else being equal - and they are equal in this case, as one can see from the impossible nature of the demands (even when phrased as 'requests') - at least islam could win. I mean, if you're going to betray=denounce your religion by abandoning your Gods, you may as well go all the way and do so for the winning team, right? <- Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It was not a question. It was just a statement of fact.
The final note hardly needs to be stated as it's a very common Hindu POV, but it can't hurt to be unnecessarily explicit:
Abandoning the Gods/observances concerning the Gods (temples, festivals, puja - even the consideration/perception of the Gods) and abandoning the protection of the Temples is a certain sign of misfortune to Hindus. (De-Hinduisation is certain misfortune to Hindus. Not to seculars and others, mind.) Just as it was in the GR case. But I can't be bothered quoting from Hellenistic examples again.
Ugh fine, an example is this bit again:
Anyway, the core view expressed therein is actually similar to the Hindu (and E Asian heathen) POV as well.
It's also why the christists knowingly try to break that which must not be broken (RamarSethu) and meddle with sacred Hindu rituals in our temples that must not be tampered with.
Quote:Great Bipin (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (01:15 PM)
It must be stopped doing poja and aarti and offering flowers and leaves from the all the Ghats of the river to maintain cleaning and purity of the river. [color="#0000FF"]Becuase it makes mind and river dirty. Bomb blast in Varanasi is the consequnce of dirty mind and dirty river.[/color] Making dirty river must be stopped anyhow. Otherwise the terrorist will get advantage to do more blast in India. Actually these dirty minded people are responsible for any untoward incident in India. So these people stop all the ghastly rituals to stop terrorism in India. and clean thier mind instead of making dirty everthings.
http://timesofindia....how/7068582.cms
The quoted character - "great bipin/buffoon" - is a typical christo(islami)terrorist. What's "interesting" is that the christoterrorist openly argues in a 'secular' space like TOI for the full-scale genocide of Hindus - i.e. the given christo-argument that "Hindus deserve the christoislamic terrorism/ethnic cleansing, for the crime of being Hindu". <- In that, note how - in parallel to such vocalised christo-thoughts - christianism in reality=in practice also uses (piggybacks with) islamism to genocide Hindus. The christogovt that's installed in India is an obvious case in point.
But except for the more 'novel' bit of advocating genocide of Hindus in such a context, the quoteblock's content does seem to be a common sort of christian argument. There was that earlier christoterrorist comment at MSN.in which was brought up in post 333. Hmmm, I notice that both the christoterrorist comments at the original msn.in link, which were back then copied and pasted into #333, are no longer hosted at msn.in now - probably someone reported it for the christoterrorism=christo-abuse=christo-filth that it IS (though the christo-editors of msn.in are not unlikely to have written the abuse themselves). A few other comments remain there now, some of which seem to still be in response to the missing christoterrorist ones.
The first of the now-removed comments reproduced below uses the same sort of christist line of 'argumentation' as the stuff pasted in BV's post (minus the overt christoislamic-advocacy of christoislamic genocide of Hindus). Note that the following christoterrorist comments were in response to an msn.in slideshow of Hindus of Assam etc celebrating a Hindoo holy day:
Quote:Oh and the comments section has full-on christoterrorist gems like -
a) the almost - almost - "secular"-sounding:
Quote:worries
Tuesday, 22 June 2010 18:09:17
Well another day is chosen to mess up the river Ganges (Ganga) where so called Sadhus & sanyasis leave their filth & destroy the serenity of the name of Ganga which is already polluted to the brink. Not even the ddevil could attain the hights the hauan race has attained in ruining the environment in the name of GOD. God wants you to be clean internally first, & then in your deeds that you do should be acceptable in the society thats when you reach the holy level Not just by making a big show off of making a GOD to be pleased as if he is sleeping. Please do not spoil the [color="#FF0000"]God[/color] given nature in the name of [color="#FF0000"]GODS & GODS & GODS.[/color]
b ) And then comes a comment with overt christianism:
Quote:at his own hands
Tuesday, 22 June 2010 20:00:23
[color="#FF0000"]satanism, demonism & paganism at its best[/color]
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http://reminds one of the verbal christi...e and Rome, nah?
Then again, these things can hardly be something to complain about when absolutely no one complained about something much closer (the bold bit):
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='11 September 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1284222028' post='108244']
The key thing to remember is that the RSS-VHP in West Bengal at least has atrophied and is incapable of protecting Hindus
Apparently the VHP in Kolkata was more interested in Hanuman Chalisa chanting than Hindu protection
Shri Tapan Ghosh, was an ex-RSS pracharak, who left RSS to form Hindu Samhati
RSS still does a lot of good work, but it is no longer effective as Hindu riot protection, and Hindu riot protection was the
sole reason for starting RSS in 1925
I would urge all Hindus, especially bengalis to join Bharat Sevashram Sangha
This predates RSS and is a more militant form of RK mission
Bharat Sevashram Sangha is often the main resistance to islam in rural WB
So to all bengalis, please give up Saraswati Puja, Durga puja, Rabindro Sangeet and Kali temple and instead
just join Bharat Sevashram Sangha for both religion and self defence
And please do contribute to BSS locally[/quote]
- While christoislamism demands that Hindus give up worshipping Hindu Gods for the reason of christoislamism (even when such reasoning is couched under bad christoislamic taqiyah subversion attempts like "Hindus' worship of their Gods makes the river dirty and is asking for terrorism"),
- on the other hand, there are and have been nationalists - on fire for nationalism - that demand that Hindus do the same, though for "nationalist" reasons (one is told). E.g. for "Hindus own sake", if not for "the sake of the nation", or else some elusive future.
My favourite bit though is the incredibly inane "for your religion" suffix that IF's own member dropped in as an afterthought to his request/demand to Hindus to "abandon the Gods". (To ask people to abandon the Hindu Gods "for the sake of" Hindu religion IS inane.)
Giving up worship of the Hindu Gods and the celebration of the sacred festivals to the Gods is the same as abandoning the Hindu Gods.
So both christoislamism and G Subs/other such (he's not the only one) have made such demands. It's all the *same* anti-Hindu-ism. It's just that different voices are expressing the same, and for their own reasons. (I.e. the reasoning is different, the fundamentally anti-Hindu demands are the same.) Christoislamics are determined that their way (christoislamism) is the best way/the solution for Hindus, whereas a peculiar type of ...nationalists (it's the only identifier they have) are determined that their way is the best way/the solution for Hindus. Both require that Hindus abandon their Gods=religion to satisfy the ones (the ideology) making the demands.
Now, if any cheap 'Hindus' exist who could be swayed by any of these parties: if they had any sense, they would sooner satisfy islam's demands. Because, all else being equal - and they are equal in this case, as one can see from the impossible nature of the demands (even when phrased as 'requests') - at least islam could win. I mean, if you're going to betray=denounce your religion by abandoning your Gods, you may as well go all the way and do so for the winning team, right? <- Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It was not a question. It was just a statement of fact.
The final note hardly needs to be stated as it's a very common Hindu POV, but it can't hurt to be unnecessarily explicit:
Abandoning the Gods/observances concerning the Gods (temples, festivals, puja - even the consideration/perception of the Gods) and abandoning the protection of the Temples is a certain sign of misfortune to Hindus. (De-Hinduisation is certain misfortune to Hindus. Not to seculars and others, mind.) Just as it was in the GR case. But I can't be bothered quoting from Hellenistic examples again.
Ugh fine, an example is this bit again:
Quote:Julian did not arrive at that conviction at Antioch, however. It is plain to see in two works composed in close proximity122 in the early spring of 363. The Helios myth in the Against Heraclius casts Constantine and his sons as [color="#0000FF"]the sowers of monstrous discord: 'there was a general slaughter ... and everything was thrown into confusion. The sons demolished the ancestral temples which their father had dishonoured ... and the laws of the gods and men alike were profaned.'123 The Fates foretold that if nothing were done, 'this wicked zeal for impious deeds will prevail universally.'[/color]124 The criticism elsewhere in the same work of men who 'subvert the common customs' we have discussed much earlier. Ostensibly, it was a description of Heraclius and his friends, but I have argued that they hardly merited the title and that Julian was well aware of the fact. For the sake of an argument and a vivid image, Julian had likened the Cynics to subversive 'pirates': his audience, I suggested, will have known how to take that remark, but to help them he went on to deride Heraclius as 'very like a monk': the men who 'subvert[ed] the common customs' for real were not the hairy Cynics who hung about the imperial court but the Christians in the cities of the Empire.125 The prayer which closed the hymn to the Mother pointed the same way: 'Grant all men knowledge of the gods, and grant to the community of the Roman people that they may cleanse themselves of the stain of godlessness.'126Julian, with reason, regularly states these things indirectly. But they are no less true for his way of unfolding the general viewpoint in this manner.
[...]
About Julian, at least, that judgement is utterly wrong. On the second count, too, it claims a lot: in fourth-century Egypt, at any rate, the monks told a different story. A pagan priest was interested to ask one Abba Olympius if he still received visions from his God since taking to the cells. 'No', he was told. 'What?' said the priest: 'When we sacrifice to our god, he hides nothing from us, but discloses all his Mysteries.' 178 Julian would have assuredly applauded that. His world was full of ever-present helpers, 'manifest gods',179 and they lived in the cities' temples as much as in the caverns of the theurgists. They had been neglected, and [color="#0000FF"]Augustan verse had warned long ago that neglect had its consequences. 'Guiltless you may be, O Roman, yet still shall you expiate your fathers' crimes until you have rebuilt the ruined shrines and temples of the gods.'[/color] Julian looked on Constantius' reign as proof enough of that. Temples had closed and oracles had failed: to restore them was his duty to the Empire and the gods. For himself, an oracle promised that a chariot would bear him to Olympus and 'the halls of heavenly light',180 and the private man could look to a gentler mood in the poet: 'Bits of me, many bits, will dodge all funeral ...'
Anyway, the core view expressed therein is actually similar to the Hindu (and E Asian heathen) POV as well.
It's also why the christists knowingly try to break that which must not be broken (RamarSethu) and meddle with sacred Hindu rituals in our temples that must not be tampered with.