Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6

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1. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8228243/Chinese-church-plan-at-birthplace-Confucius-sparks-protests.html

Chinese church plan at birthplace Confucius sparks protests

Plans to build an enormous 3,000-seater church in the birthplace Confucius have stirred up nationalist sentiment in China after a group of leading authorities on the ancient philosopher-sage raised objections to the project.



[color="#800080"]Photo:[/color] Qufu's Confucius Temple, eastern China's Shandong province Photo: CORBIS

By Peter Foster, Beijing 5:40PM GMT 28 Dec 2010



The government-backed church, to be built in a modern-Gothic style almost to the same height as St Peter's in the Vatican, was intended to be a beacon of intercultural understanding between Western Christianity and Eastern Confucianism.

[color="#800080"](Christianism trying for interfaith dialogue again. I.e. the First Steps.)[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]However the plans have been met with fierce opposition after a group of ten leading scholars published an open letter condemning the proposal, in an appeal that has now been supported by 105 more scholars, 48 cultural organisations and 19 websites.[/color]



"If a super-large Confucius temple were built in Jerusalem, Mecca or the Vatican, overshadowing the religious buildings there, how would the people feel about it? Would the government and the people accept it?" asked the open letter.

[color="#800080"](:clapping:

BTW, I've been shown some Chinese forums, and the stuff that's visible in English is very interesting. Stuff one *still* doesn't see among Hindus.)[/color]



The £2 million church is to be built just two miles from the sprawling Confucian temple complex in the town of Qufu in Shandong, which includes the garden and the house of Confucius.



If built, it will reach 136ft tall, only 12ft shorter than St Peter's in Rome and [color="#0000FF"]towering above the main Confucius Temple[/color] which is just 81ft tall.

[color="#800080"](Oft-used tactic.)[/color]



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The protesters have not been mollified by the fact that the church will include a centre for [color="#0000FF"]cross-cultural dialogues[/color] between the two civilisations and have also detected a [color="#0000FF"]cultural insult in the choice of 3,000 seats for the new church, since this is the same number of disciples originally taught by Confucius (551BC to 479BC).[/color]

[color="#800080"](Yeah, we know: everyone is a target of catholicism's inculturation techniques.

But if this had happened in India, the Hindu-origin seculars would have totally missed the significance of the inculturation tactic. But the Chinese aren't conditioned to be blind to such goings-on: they were victims of a *different* social engineering project.)[/color]



"The building of the church shows the spread of Christianity, while the exchange centre will facilitate Christianity to blend in China and have an impact on China," pastor Gao Ming, head of the Christian Council of Jining City, which administers Qufu, said while defending the project to the Xinhua news agency.



Although Confucius was attacked as an unwanted vestige of feudalism during the Mao era, China's current leaders have seized on his teachings as a means of promoting their own goal of creating a "harmonious society", as modern China searches for a value-system.

[color="#800080"](There's a reason Daoism - China's indigenous, ancestral religion - is bypassed. It is heathenism after all. Goes against the #1 command of all christoclass mindviruses. Chinese govt's efforts in the Daoist sphere are solely for tourist purposes and for declaring they have token remnants of some 'Chinese culture' devoid of its otherwise inseparable religion. It's not because of any genuine interest on the govt's part in regaining the population's native religion. Even Confucius is used for that. Still, the Chinese must welcome being allowed to return to openly associating themselves with it.)[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]Abroad, Confucius is also used as an agent of Chinese soft-power, with a number of Confucius Institutes being opened around the world with the aim of spreading the message that China's rise is peaceful.[/color]



Officially China has some 23m Christians, although unofficial numbers of the "underground" house Church movement suggest there could be more than 100m Chinese Christians, more than the 73m members of the Communist Party.



Wang Ruichang, associate professor of Humanities at Beijing's Capital University, and one of the ten signatories to the open letter, said that the objections were not crudely nationalist or anti-Christian, but that the church was inappropriate to its surroundings.



"The church is not in sympathy with the style of nearby buildings which are important historical relics. It doesn't mean we oppose the rules of respecting freedom of religions. Actually we don't agree with the extremist quotes given by some netizens while opposing the building of the church," he said.





Prof Wang added that protecting and improving the image of Confucianism after the battering of the Cultural Revolution years (1966-76) was an essential part of China's renaissance. "The rejuvenation of China not only lies in the rise of economy and military but only lies in the revival of traditional Chinese culture," he added.

[color="#800080"](That's more than the secularised masses of India are able to work out.

Sadly though, Daoism is still oppressed. Unlike Confucianism, its heathen traditions are not the sort that can be marketed by communism.)[/color]

2. Curious BV: I had myself been considering whether or not to begin referring to christians as galil(a)eans as well. (Or however one spells it.) But I kept figuring that it would take too long each time to explain why I was using it/what it referred to: i.e. why Julian consciously used it to refer to christians.

"Now understand thees, young man," she said in an accent heavy with Southern European vowels. "When the Indians came to Goa in 1961 it was 100% an invasion. From what were they supposed to be liberating us? Not the Portuguese because the Portuguese never oppressed us. Let me tell you exactly what it was the Indians were freeing us from. They were kindly liberating us from peace and from security."

Her opinion matters how?

"When the Indians came to Goa"

In this line she admits she's an alien terrorist.



"The Portuguese never oppressed us"

Typical case of Stockholm Syndrome. Possession by jeebusjehovallah will do that to ya.

But everyone knows that christists are not only terrorists but also traitors. Ask the GrecoRomans including several Roman Emperors.



And what's this about Bharatam invading Gomantak? A house - including all its rooms - belongs to the family which owns it: meaning that a robber who suddenly breaks in and occupies the room (and terrorised the family member sleeping in it) doesn't start owning the room, despite his attempts at thievery (=christianism) or the duration thereof. And the family which came to liberate their room from the robber - so that the bedroom is restored to their son/daughter - does not suddenly become "invaders" for kicking the robber out. And just 'cause the robber left his unwanted uninvited spawn behind doesn't make the room belong to the spawn either. It may have been born there, but it is always free to get lost.



- It's a fact that Gomantak is Hindu land: that it remains - as always - part of Dharmic Bharatam.

- It's a well-documented fact that the christos of Portugal were the ones who invaded Gomantak and, also documented, that they forcibly converted some of the Hindus into terrorist cannibal sheep.

- Everyone knows that christo-terrorism (is there any other kind) terrorised the indigenous heathen population so terribly that some Hindoos had to even flee their home-region to neighbouring Hindu states like Karnataka. I.e. everyone knows the alien christo-invaders from Portugal committed ethnic cleansing in Gomantak.

- Everyone knows that despite all of the christoterrorism that ensued in Gomantak, 2/3s - i.e. the majority - are still Hindu, devoutly attached to the Hindu Gods.





But there is something of interest to note in Dalrymple and Donna's Duet of braying:

- Before 1960s, the christoconvert infestation in Gomantak kept insisting they were actually Portuguese (and looked down their noses at the heathen natives, the Hindus) and that the conversion was benign.

- Then, starting to feel left out, they watered it down to declare they had Portuguese ancestry as well as some Indian. Then later on (in more recent decades, see also Goan forums), they wanted to claim full native status (but this was only for the purpose of claiming a sort of 'indigenousness', i.e. to make a claim to the areas of Gomantak they occupy) by declaring they were "actually" mostly 'pure' Indians and that there was only very little admixture among their kind. I.e. that they were 'converted' onlee: mental aliens onlee, not physical aliens. (Some even started admitting to the facts of history: their forced conversion to catholic christoterrorism, excused with "but what does that christian/jeebus love matter, since it led to jeebus' love").



Anyway, in the following, Dalrymple takes it all back to square one: telling us that the christoPortuguese intermarried with however many of their loser sheep.

What Donna Georgina said reflected stories I had heard repeated all over Goa. The sheer length of time that the Portuguese had hung on in their little Indian colony- some four hundred and fifty years of intermingling and intermarriage- had forged uniquely close bonds between the colonisers and colonised. [color="#800080"](Only the minority catholic sheep of course - they're the ones suffering from Stockholm Syndrome - absolutely no one else.)[/color] As a result most Goans still considered their state a place apart: a cultured Mediterranean island, quite distinct from the rest of India. As they quickly let you know, they ate bread not chapattis; drank in tavernas not tea shops; many of them were Roman Catholic not Hindu; and their musicians played guitars and sang fados. None of them, they assured you, could stand the sound of sitars or shenai.

"Most Goans" (and "many of them were Roman Catholic") is the way christo Dalrymple tries to conceal a very glaring fact: that [color="#0000FF"]Gomantak's population remains 2/3 Hindu. Yupp: 65% Hindu[/color] (then there's also a total of <0.2% of all the other Indian Dharmic religions combined). And none of them are aliens, unlike Donna and her self-confessed (partially or completely, whatever) alien origins. Of the 35% remainder, there are some 6% islamis in Gomantak. But because there are yet "other" groups (not unlikely to be some Hindus among them, since one knows that christo-stats refuse to include several Hindu communities among the body of Hindus), the christists are at about 26%. So the christian infestation rings in at about 1/4th of the Gomantak population.

"Most Goans" yeah-right.



Nevertheless, the immune-to-facts Dalrymple - who pulls a "most Goans" statement out of his hat, without even interviewing the Hindu majority - then resorts to using Donna's equally delirious opinion as his sole back up, as if anyone could take her bottomless ignorance seriously let alone as representative (but christists always play fast and easy with truth):

"We could not fight the Indians in 1961," she said. "They were too many. Goa was a small place and could not defend itself. Even today we are only one million people. What can we do against 900 million Indians? But their seizure of Goa was an act of force. The majority here were opposed to the Indian invasion. That was why they had to come with their army, their air force and their navy. That day we [color="#FF0000"]all[/color] cried bitterly. It was the end of the good old days."

What "majority" is the alien terrorist spawn "Donna" blabbering on about? The Hindus - the indigenous - remain the majority of Gomantak despite her and her christoportuguese ancestors' christoterrorism.





But no doubt tomorrow there will be another Hindu-origin secularised person declaring how "christians came to India ~100 CE with Thomas" and how "the Goan catholic terrorists and the indigenous Hindus get on swell". (Any of that last is only 'cause the christos are in the minority. Whenever they get to the majority or even start having serious muscle else far-reaching political power, you get the christianised NE scenario.)

Following reveals the true attitudes of Goan Galileans I had mentioned before (nostalgia for Portuguese occupation where they could torture Hindu heathens at will)

And to think the various Donna-s come off as 'mild' when compared to the fervour of that previously-mentioned Mascare~nhas character: this type of christo-terrorist has literally been demanding that the Inquisition be reinstated in Gomantak so that they can finish converting the remaining 2/3 of Hindus. I kid you not.





Dalrymple advertising for christianism:

Donna Georgina paused, leaving the last phrase hanging in the air:

[...]

'God Almighty, Jesus Christ and St. Anne.'

"And young man. Let me tell you this. Between them they are doing a very good job."

Dalrymple a catholic by any chance? (Not that he'd go about admitting to that while busy meddling with India which is still 'Unfinished Business'.) The choice to give the final word to something of the "jeebus saves me" variety - albeit mouthed by Donna Georgina - suffices for me to note him down as a catholic. (Or some christist variant at least.)







3. [color="#0000FF"]ADDED[/color]

Just for the sake of amusement: people may want to read the official catholic version (Catholic Encylopaedia at www.newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm) on Santa Anne and her "2 husbands" - "no, it was one!" - and her virgin birth that produced Mary - "no it wasn't a VB!" (which then came to be considered an Error and some heads may well have rolled for this, who knows).



It says the following of Hannah's story (Hebrew equivalent of Anne) - taken from one apocryphal christist account, the "Protoevangelium":

Since this story is apparently a reproduction of the biblical account of the conception of Samuel, whose mother was also called Hannah, even the name of the mother of Mary seems to be doubtful.

I.e. look at the language of the admission: "even the name seems doubtful"; this implies that the logic that follows would read: "what to say of the rest of the story of Hannah in the ProtoEvangelium, that is lifted straight from an OT account".



And then the catholic site admits to other unlikely-hoods:

The renowned Father John of Eck of Ingolstadt, in a sermon on St. Anne (published at Paris in 1579), pretends to know even the names of the parents St. Anne.

The supposed relics of St. Anne were brought from the Holy Land to Constantinople in 710 and were still kept there in the church of St. Sophia in 1333. The tradition of the church of Apt in southern France pretends that the body of St. Anne was brought to Apt by St. Lazarus, the friend of Christ, was hidden by St. Auspicius (d. 398), and found again during the reign of Charlemagne (feast, Monday after the octave of Easter)

Note all the pretending going on that even the catholics officially admit to.



And at the top they confess:

All our information concerning the names and lives of Sts. Joachim and Anne, the parents of Mary, is derived from apocryphal literature

"By non-existent jesus, the son of non-existent mary, the daughter of non-existent santa Anne", did they say Apocryphal!!

WHAT, it's not from the Canon?????

Quick someone, call in the Inquisition.