Something I noticed in tweets by Indian nationalist/vocalist that was going around, but which needs correction.
- The famous Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline (which first mentioned and quoted from works by Stannard, exposed the christian hand in Rwanda as seen from German news accounts, referred to Karlheinz Deschner etc) was compiled by a western man going by the handle "Kelsos" at his now-defunct site "Christian Heritage". It was an absolutely brilliant site exposing christianism, one of the best sites on the subject, and I'm still in awe about the knowledge he had amassed and his insights. It was one of the few visible sites online that critiqued christianism that actually stood up admirably for native Americans. I learnt a lot about the native Americans from the information collated there (from Stannard, who is at last becoming famous among Indian vocalists - 2 decades later - journalist Norman Lewis, etc).
- Indian nationalists/vocalists on the net are instead seen crediting the Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline to the new-agey "Acharya S" aka D. M. Murdock (a western woman) who is specifically not the same as "Kelsos" (Kelsos is not new-ageist but an atheist or agnostic*, this is apparent from reading his compendium of information exposing christianism).
[* Kelsos' atheism is apparent from his misattributing the historical Celsus/Kelsos as an Epicurean (a frugal, ascetic GrecoRoman atheism), instead of as the neo-Platonist that Celsus actually was.]
While "Acharya S" certainly hosted a copy of the Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline - as other sites of the time did also (e.g. the American ex-christians site did/does too) - "Acharya S" Murdock did not compile it, nor did she claim to IIRC. [Nor are many of her 'ideas' in her work original either, she didn't merely quote others, but repeats their ideas. Also, her supposed expertise in Sanskrit (she claims she studyied the classical languages and Skt) is no expertise at all. And she may be familiar with some details of christianism and middle-eastern religion, but she is entirely out of her depth on Hindoo and other Asian heathenisms.]
Wish Hindus would not present her as an expert - especially since they're usually commending her for things she merely collated or did not do herself but merely quoted verbatim. Also, "Acharya S" believes in Atlantis mythology etc. New-ageist. She is also into some of the usual new-agey feminist backprojections on western and world history.
For better, more authoritative (and non-newagey) sources on christianism, better recommendations from the same era are:
- The unparalleled work at the now-defunct Christian Heritage site:
http:// web.archive.org/web/20050223081305/http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/mission.html
And the original "Victims of the Christian Faith" Christian Crimeline page, hosted at its own site:
http:// web.archive.org/web/20040520142156/http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html
- Biblical scholar Frank Zindler's writings at American Atheists
(Has written not only about the babble, but has translated German works from the Radical Criticism school. The "No Peter, No Paul, No Jesus (and No apostles)" school.)
- jesusneverexisted.net
- nobeliefs.com. It has sections exposing the christianism of nazism, as well as the section "the dark bible".
(For further details about the nonsense that is the bible: evilbible.com, skeptics annotated bible (and skeptics annotated koran) and even thebricktestament. That last was hysterical, but was blackmailed into no longer using quotes from a popular bible publication and resorted to another one.
For further details about how christianism=nazism, look up Michael Hakeem's series on "Holocaust" at Freedom From Faith Foundation/FFRF. For further details on how christianism=nazism in Croatia, can try looking up spreka-mreza (sp?) and fantompowa.net or whatever, in case these sites are still live)
- The German language works by Karlheinz Deschner is highly recommended by all: The Criminal History of Christianism, Vols 1 to 8 IIRC
- POCM (Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth) site
Further compilations of shockers were/are at exchristian.net, which site seems to have moved to http:// new.exchristian.net/ (not sure if they ported all their old material, but some of the materials at the original site was explosive, even original material: e.g. testimonies of Americans leaving christianism showed American churches raising money to fund armed christian violence in Nigeria etc.)
Stuff that is mostly new-age junk and/or mostly unoriginal copy-and-paste, with some truths in between:
- "Acharya S"/D.M. Murdoch (a lot of it not original, and further need to sift to find what is factual and what is mere new-agey or alien interpretation)
- Barbara G. Walker who wrote "Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets". A few direct quotes that she makes in her work are correct, but where she adds her own "original" input, she is mostly into feminist revisionism of the past.
- Wicca/new age sites
- AskWhy site (may be defunct) - which also does a lot of quoting from elsewhere along with insinuating its own new-ageisms, especially its new agey take on Asian heathenisms like Shinto etc
Unfortunate that western men are better at objectively critiquing christianism than western women many of whom tend to be into new-ageism and produce bad critiques (un-critiques) of christianism. Maybe because the examples I found of the former tend to be proper atheists, while the examples I found of the latter happened to be new-age and feminist revisionist writers. Bad coincidence perhaps.
Barbara Walker was IIRC highly placed in FFRF, but she is not to be compared to the objective atheist writers there (who are not feminist revisionist writers). Sorry, but feminist revisionism IS a form of new-ageism and is far from objective and is a replacement theology and not proper (vanilla) atheism at all, but an ideological one.
Summary of this post:
The famous Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline was compiled by a western atheist person called "Kelsos" at his now-defunct site The Christian Heritage. It was NOT compiled by DM Murdock aka "Acharya S".
So credit for collating the material should go to the unmotivated atheist "Kelsos" of Christian Heritage (who long ago had quoted from D Stannard's brilliant "American Holocaust" and Karlheinz Deschner etc), not to the new-agey Murdock.
- The famous Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline (which first mentioned and quoted from works by Stannard, exposed the christian hand in Rwanda as seen from German news accounts, referred to Karlheinz Deschner etc) was compiled by a western man going by the handle "Kelsos" at his now-defunct site "Christian Heritage". It was an absolutely brilliant site exposing christianism, one of the best sites on the subject, and I'm still in awe about the knowledge he had amassed and his insights. It was one of the few visible sites online that critiqued christianism that actually stood up admirably for native Americans. I learnt a lot about the native Americans from the information collated there (from Stannard, who is at last becoming famous among Indian vocalists - 2 decades later - journalist Norman Lewis, etc).
- Indian nationalists/vocalists on the net are instead seen crediting the Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline to the new-agey "Acharya S" aka D. M. Murdock (a western woman) who is specifically not the same as "Kelsos" (Kelsos is not new-ageist but an atheist or agnostic*, this is apparent from reading his compendium of information exposing christianism).
[* Kelsos' atheism is apparent from his misattributing the historical Celsus/Kelsos as an Epicurean (a frugal, ascetic GrecoRoman atheism), instead of as the neo-Platonist that Celsus actually was.]
While "Acharya S" certainly hosted a copy of the Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline - as other sites of the time did also (e.g. the American ex-christians site did/does too) - "Acharya S" Murdock did not compile it, nor did she claim to IIRC. [Nor are many of her 'ideas' in her work original either, she didn't merely quote others, but repeats their ideas. Also, her supposed expertise in Sanskrit (she claims she studyied the classical languages and Skt) is no expertise at all. And she may be familiar with some details of christianism and middle-eastern religion, but she is entirely out of her depth on Hindoo and other Asian heathenisms.]
Wish Hindus would not present her as an expert - especially since they're usually commending her for things she merely collated or did not do herself but merely quoted verbatim. Also, "Acharya S" believes in Atlantis mythology etc. New-ageist. She is also into some of the usual new-agey feminist backprojections on western and world history.
For better, more authoritative (and non-newagey) sources on christianism, better recommendations from the same era are:
- The unparalleled work at the now-defunct Christian Heritage site:
http:// web.archive.org/web/20050223081305/http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/mission.html
And the original "Victims of the Christian Faith" Christian Crimeline page, hosted at its own site:
http:// web.archive.org/web/20040520142156/http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html
- Biblical scholar Frank Zindler's writings at American Atheists
(Has written not only about the babble, but has translated German works from the Radical Criticism school. The "No Peter, No Paul, No Jesus (and No apostles)" school.)
- jesusneverexisted.net
- nobeliefs.com. It has sections exposing the christianism of nazism, as well as the section "the dark bible".
(For further details about the nonsense that is the bible: evilbible.com, skeptics annotated bible (and skeptics annotated koran) and even thebricktestament. That last was hysterical, but was blackmailed into no longer using quotes from a popular bible publication and resorted to another one.
For further details about how christianism=nazism, look up Michael Hakeem's series on "Holocaust" at Freedom From Faith Foundation/FFRF. For further details on how christianism=nazism in Croatia, can try looking up spreka-mreza (sp?) and fantompowa.net or whatever, in case these sites are still live)
- The German language works by Karlheinz Deschner is highly recommended by all: The Criminal History of Christianism, Vols 1 to 8 IIRC
- POCM (Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth) site
Further compilations of shockers were/are at exchristian.net, which site seems to have moved to http:// new.exchristian.net/ (not sure if they ported all their old material, but some of the materials at the original site was explosive, even original material: e.g. testimonies of Americans leaving christianism showed American churches raising money to fund armed christian violence in Nigeria etc.)
Stuff that is mostly new-age junk and/or mostly unoriginal copy-and-paste, with some truths in between:
- "Acharya S"/D.M. Murdoch (a lot of it not original, and further need to sift to find what is factual and what is mere new-agey or alien interpretation)
- Barbara G. Walker who wrote "Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets". A few direct quotes that she makes in her work are correct, but where she adds her own "original" input, she is mostly into feminist revisionism of the past.
- Wicca/new age sites
- AskWhy site (may be defunct) - which also does a lot of quoting from elsewhere along with insinuating its own new-ageisms, especially its new agey take on Asian heathenisms like Shinto etc
Unfortunate that western men are better at objectively critiquing christianism than western women many of whom tend to be into new-ageism and produce bad critiques (un-critiques) of christianism. Maybe because the examples I found of the former tend to be proper atheists, while the examples I found of the latter happened to be new-age and feminist revisionist writers. Bad coincidence perhaps.
Barbara Walker was IIRC highly placed in FFRF, but she is not to be compared to the objective atheist writers there (who are not feminist revisionist writers). Sorry, but feminist revisionism IS a form of new-ageism and is far from objective and is a replacement theology and not proper (vanilla) atheism at all, but an ideological one.
Summary of this post:
The famous Victims of the Christian Faith christian crimeline was compiled by a western atheist person called "Kelsos" at his now-defunct site The Christian Heritage. It was NOT compiled by DM Murdock aka "Acharya S".
So credit for collating the material should go to the unmotivated atheist "Kelsos" of Christian Heritage (who long ago had quoted from D Stannard's brilliant "American Holocaust" and Karlheinz Deschner etc), not to the new-agey Murdock.