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<b>BJP decides not to relinquish Hindutva but will reach out to minorities</b>

Sun, Jun 21 09:15 PM

New Delhi, June 21 (ANI): Bharatiya Janata Party on Sunday announced that the party will not give up its Hindu ideology but will try to reach out to minorities and it believes that there should not be any place for fundamentalism towards any religion.

"There is no question of going back on our ideology. Hindutva is a way of life. He (Lal Krishna Advani) has quoted a lot of people in this (message). <b>We will try to reach out to minorities</b> but there is no question of going back on our main ideology," said Venkaiah Naidu, former President of Bharatiya Janata Party on Sunday after the two-day national executive meet.

Naidu added that party needed to articulate its ideology in a better way.

Meanwhile, Bharatiya Janata Party on Sunday adopted a political resolution owning collective responsibility for its defeat in the recently-concluded parliamentary elections and insisted that its Hindutva ideology was inclusive.

"Hinduism or Hindutva is not to be understood or construed narrowly confined only to religious practices or expressed in extreme forms," BJP spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad told media here on the second day of the party's conclave.

Earlier in the day, Lal Krishna Advani during his speech during the meet highlighted issues which should be of concern to the BJP at present and in near future.

"It is a matter of concern that our Party seems to be plateauing in some states, which are our strongholds, and have actually suffered big reversals in some others.

The State of the party organization at all levels, including at the Centre, needs to be improved. We have to strengthen unity in thought, unity in planning and unity in execution in leadership tiers at the Centre and in states. <b>We must identify, train, groom and empower third, fourth and fifth generation of leaders in the BJP</b>. <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo--> Our leadership planning should take into account the Party's needs for the next twenty years," said Advani, while mentioning about the corrective actions, during his speech at the meet.

"True, Elections 2009 did not produce results that we expected. We should not be found wanting in honest introspection. But introspection is different from finger-pointing. It is not only we who are disappointed, our legion of supporters are equally disappointed that we could not defeat the Congress. The people have high hopes and heightened expectations from the BJP. Let us strive to rise to their expectations," Advani said in his concluding remarks. (ANI)
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>pravin togadia: Lost Love Always Hurts By Dr Pravin Togadia</b>
jun 16th, 2009

togadia says a lot of sensible things.

of course, if you listened to the darn ELM, you'd think togadia was a nut. the fact is, it is the ELM guys who are nuts -- sleeping with the corpse of some very dead idiocy called pseudo-secularism.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: sri v

<b>Lost Love Always Hurts</b>
By Dr Pravin Togadia

<b>Myth 1: We lost because of Hindutva identity. Muslims voted against us due to this.

Truth:</b> Muslim was never a core constituency. It was Hindu. Everyone accepts and understands electoral growth. But if this growth is at the cost of the core or even anti-core, then it is called cannibalisation.

If a party cannot satisfy its own core constituency and limits itself to power gain by projecting individuals or issues that do not appeal or matter to its core constituency, then it is a love lost. And lost love always hurts. Both ways it hurts. It has hurt the Hindu core constituency that it was taken for granted.

If the Muslim League tomorrow says, it wants to grow in vote share and therefore it would start a majority morcha and gives tickets to Hindu sadhus (That Hindu sadhus would not take its tickets is a different issue), it would hurt Muslim League's core constituency and it would lose even its sure seats.

When Mamata Banerjee fought against Tata Motors for grabbing farmers' land for Nano, many so-called intellectuals declared that Mamata was finished and that she would never be able to come up in politics ever again. Communist parties, which usually speak only about themselves or against US, also tried to paint Mamata as anti-development and therefore, 'useless' for the today's changed world. The then PM of Congress Dr Manmohan Singh too went to West Bengal to see if Mamata could be pacified and Tatas continue holding farmers' land for Nano, as at that time the Congress was with the Left. Mamata sat on fast for the poor farmers for over two weeks, got her kidney ruined, Nano left the Left from West Bengal—and rest is history. Those so-called intellectuals, who had so confidently declared Mamata as permanently lost, were in for a huge shock in the Parliament elections. Mamata won with a thumping success. Not that credit of this doesn't go to her tie-up with Congress, but even Congress tied-up with her knowing well the boiling sentiments of West Bengal poor and farmers. There it is! West Bengal's poor and farmers. This was a core constituency of the Left. In the bargain of showing itself progressive, Communists hurt their core constituency by giving their land to Tata. Result? The core constituency was hurt. Hurt so much, that it left the Left.

This is what happens. For years a political party grows and shines with the votes of a particular core constituency—with its votes and with blood/sweat of the workers who come up from the same core constituency. It takes years to nurture faith and confidence of any core constituency. When this core constituency starts trusting a particular party for a particular stand and type of thinking, then the party grows fast and goes places. It takes years of unconditional commitment and sincerity from the party side to convince any core constituency that yes, truly this party has our well-being in its heart. Then this core constituency watches the behaviour and actions of that party and its people including its workers who deal with the core constituency daily and its top leaders. As the promises given to the core constituency get translated into real actions, the core constituency votes for that party and this way loyalties are built just like a brand loyalty. It does not happen overnight; it is a result of many above things as explained.

But the moment core constituency realises that the party in which it had faith and confidence over many years now has started compromising with core constituency's interests for getting into the power, the core constituency loses faith in that party. This happens faster than building up faith, i.e. the moment Bengal farmers realised that the Communists have compromised on land protection of the poor farmers, the poor farmers felt cheated and they left the Left. It may sound crude but the truth is always crude and rude. It is not as simplistic as it may sound.

Now when it comes to yet another core constituency of Hindus, this was never a core constituency in the beginning when India got Independence. Yes, there were emotive issues like creation of Pakistan and attacks on Hindus during the Partition. But the Hindu was never perceived or nurtured by any party as a core constituency at the time of India's Independence. There were organisations like the Sangh and the Hindu Mahasabha, which had the Hindu well-being in their hearts and actions, but for them, the Hindu was not a core constituency for votes. Indian National Congress grew during the Independence movement and Indians had only two groups to choose from: The British and the Indian National Congress. Obviously, Indians chose anything that was non-British (or so to say—anti-British). Congress ruled for many decades and that was the time for basic infrastructure development like roads, railways, electricity, water, schools, colleges, post offices. Indians got these to certain extent. But then came the need for holistic development of Hindus as a majority in India. That's where Hindus felt that parties like Jana Sangh and Hindu Mahasabha had the Hindu interest in their hearts. Such parties even promised Hindus many things like removing Article 370, Common Civil Code, protection of Hindu religious monuments, etc. It took over 30 years for building up and nurturing the Hindu core constituency.

Slowly, this core constituency got consolidated and the Jana Sangh grew. In 1967, even before the Emergency, due to great sacrifice by lakhs of swayamsevaks of the Sangh, the party that grew was the Jana Sangh, which could form state governments in MP and UP with other parties. This party later transformed into BJP. In 1980 same people suddenly left ideology of Hindu core constituency's well-being and adopted Gandhian Socialism. The party that was reduced to two core constituencies was hurt, its love had cheated it immensely.

Then the party slowly returned to the Hindu core constituency. Ram Mandir movement was a peak of it. After returning to Hindu core constituency with the Hindutva ideology, the party went up to power in many states and at the centre. This core constituency had human beings in it who had emotions, intellect and aspirations.

Any core constituency consists of human beings. Their emotions, intellect and aspirations if fulfilled, then and then only that party grows. If their sentiments, intellect and aspirations are ignored or thrown down the drain or taken for granted, then the core constituency feels cheated and hurt. If one loves someone from the bottom of one's heart and that someone does not keep promises given in love but breaks the promises for gains which may be hurting the core of that love, it hurts more. The Hindu core constituency got hurt this way post-1998 resulting into 2004 debacle. Excuse given was power to be retained with allies at the cost of core constituency's interests and thereby alienating the core constituency. The Hindu does not react fast. He waits, gives more time for improvement and watches the behaviour and actions. The Hindu core constituency again waited even after 2004. What the Hindu core constituency saw after that was more appalling and hurting the core. Love was not only lost; love which was showcased all the time was false! There was no love! The Hindu core constituency was not only hurt; it was angry. It did not abstain from voting. It voted decisively. It locked its Hindu sentiments, intellect and aspirations within its heart and voted for any other party that at least took care of some local issues. This does not mean that this Hindu core constituency would not spring up again together. It would. But for a truly caring party.

To distract the attention of those who nurtured this Hindu core constituency, some myths are now being floated as if this Hindu core constituency is full of fools and has only sentiments but no intellect and aspirations.

<b>Myth 2: 40 per cent population is youth. Three crore youth voters are added. Youth have great aspirations. Youth do not like Hindutva.

Truth:</b> It's not that many of us, as a part of a large organisation, do not travel all India—both urban and rural. We travel extensively, more than 5,00,000 km per year, meet at least 10,00,000 people from various professions and of various age groups every year. Many of us did it this year too. That youth does not like Hindutva may be a part of a wish-list of a few power-mongers, but it is not a fact. From Varanasi to Bengaluru and from Indore to Lucknow, is there no youth? If they disliked Hindutva then in these places they would not have voted for some people who cared for the Hindu core constituency. Wasn't there youth in India in 1990-98 when the same Hindu core constituency voted this party to the power based on the Hindutva identity? Were there only children and old people then? It is also a pseudo-intellectual air-conditioned thinking that today's youth has different aspirations. Yes, the local and temporary issues change, but the ideological, emotional, intellectual and aspirational issues closer to core constituency's heart do not change.

<b>Myth 3: People want development and governance. People do not want Hindutva.

Truth:</b> Core constituency, as said, is made of human beings who share the same ideology, has the same emotions, intellect and aspirations. Responsibility of any party that grows because of core constituency is not limited only to arouse these human beings' emotions but also to give them all benefits of development and governance that come out of power. Has this party provided the benefits of its so-called development and governance to all people in its core constituency totally? If not, then on what basis, such a party went ahead and started saying that it needs to give development and governance to those who are anti-this core constituency while its own core constituency was without such development and governance. Hindus voted this party to power at the centre once and in a few states repeatedly. Has every Hindu irrespective of caste and gender got a job? Has every Hindu family enough food so that the family does not have to sleep with an empty stomach? Does every Hindu boy and girl have a school to study? There are many such questions.

If this party does not want to be answerable to the core constituency's ideological questions related to Ram Mandir, Article 370 or Common Civil Code, then fine. But the Hindu core constituency has never got answers to their questions about their development and governance. So, leave the core constituency half attended, take them for granted thinking that where else can they go anyway and only for votes or for allies cater to the development of those who are all out to kill this core constituency. This is not development or governance at number 1; this is an immature hurry to get power at any cost. Hindu core constituency realised this and left this party. The very efforts of a few of painting Hindutva as anti-development and governance were a logical fallacy and the Hindu core constituency is wise enough to see through this.

<b>Myth 4: If any party has to come to power, it has to compromise on its ideology and tone it down to accommodate the allies.

Truth:</b> We are not worried about any or every party here. If the party that grows on a specific ideology and due to a specific core constituency, tries to hurt the very essence of that core constituency only to gain power, then the core constituency not only feels neglected but also feels cheated. Adding Muslims and Christians was not a problem for Congress. They were always a part of that party from the beginning. If Hindutva core constituency party tries to add such elements, then it becomes B-Congress. Then why would anyone vote for B-Congress (duplicate) when the A-Congress (original) is available? This apart, the party was nurtured by the Hindu core constituency as an anti-thesis to Congress. The Hindu core constituency is intelligent enough to see the faux pas in this 'aim power' logic. The core constituency may be just 10 per cent of the total voters but if even five per cent of it sees through the betrayal to the core, then this vote share makes or breaks the chances of winning. It is a paradox! The very reason to leave the core constituency was to gain power. And the same reason has become the etymological blunder for many parties in this election like the communist parties whose core constituency—the poor and the farmers—felt this loss of love. They were hurt. And so were Hindus. For different reasons and by different parties. When this happens, the networks of the workers who were attached to the party due to the core constituency and the organisations that were instrumental in nurturing the core constituency feel hurt. It shows in the real life, in voting patterns and in loss of percentage of votes. It also shows in the end of the state of inertia in some states like Rajasthan where there are fatal losses of sure seats.

<b>Myth 5: It worked in the American elections, it must work in India too.

Truth:</b> Although India has seen many kings and dynasties, India and Hindu core constituency follow their own cultural and intellectual ethos and now have their own democratic system, which is a parliamentary democracy and not a presidential one. Just because Obama projected himself in America as a change agent and won, it does not mean the same will happen in India. India and Hindu core constituency do not get enamoured by an individual for long and especially if an individual is projected, the Hindu core constituency still examines his/her behaviour and actions on the parameters of core constituency's core interests. Consistency is not a weakness or not an anti-thesis of being progressive. Consistency gives credibility. For any brand to be successful, it needs credibility that appeals to its own core customer, not just to the media or the internet or the world.

If a party cannot satisfy its own core constituency and limits itself to power gain by projecting individuals or issues that do not appeal or matter to its core constituency, then it is a love lost. And lost love always hurts. Both ways it hurts. It has hurt the Hindu core constituency that it was taken for granted and then was betrayed again and again of late. It has also hurt senior and junior—millions of workers of the party who nurtured the party through the Hindu core constituency for so long. And it hurts party's vote share too. For any party to come to power in a democracy, the support of the majority is a must; but for any majority, supporting a particular political party is not must.

And now, if people and organisations, which are associated with such a party that has hurt its core constituency, continue with it for long, the Hindu core heart, intellect and aspirations will go off at a tangent. Looking at the current scene, there is surely a scope for any party that is willing to truly address and fulfill the emotions, intellect and aspirations of the Hindu core constituency. If the old party does not want to follow it and disown this constituency, then it is that party's own choice. But the Hindu core constituency has already been decisive and if not addressed with the same old love and care then surely there is a vacuum for any new or other party to grow. What is more important is the ideology and only ideological consistency can give any party a credibility for longer survival and symbiotic growth—whether it is a communist ideology (which we may not agree with) or the Hindutva ideology. Until there is some concrete care for the Hindus now, lost love always hurts and will keep on hurting.

(The writer is a cancer surgeon and secretary general of Vishwa Hindu Parishad and can be contacted at drpravintogadia@yahoo.com)

You can access this article on the website www.vhpsampark.org www.organiser.org

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Very interesting page on the varous opinions on BJP. In one report the BJP leadership chastigizes Maneka Gandhi fro saying that Muslims dont vote for BJP- in other owrds hse is on extreme right of the BJP leadership which wants to be inclusive. Pravin Togadia is in smae league as her. Sandhya Jain claims to be even more rightist than these two figures and wants LKA to quit for not being rightist enough for her and wants him to take Varun Gandhi with him.

I think the critics need to chill and decide what arguement they are for. All her polemics against Jaitley are that he is arrogant and sidelined 'old timers'. Same article she wants Modi to get out of Gujarat to accomodate teh 'old timers' aka back stabbers!

All the reasosn are not yet understood and to take steps now is hara kiri.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Jun 22 2009, 06:48 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Jun 22 2009, 06:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Very interesting page on the varous opinions on BJP. In one report the BJP leadership chastigizes Maneka Gandhi fro saying that Muslims dont vote for BJP- in other owrds hse is on extreme right of the BJP leadership which wants to be inclusive. Pravin Togadia is in smae league as her. Sandhya Jain claims to be even more rightist than these two figures and wants LKA to quit for not being rightist enough for her and wants him to take Varun Gandhi with him.

I think the critics need to chill and decide what arguement they are for. All her polemics against Jaitley are that he is arrogant and sidelined 'old timers'. Same article she wants Modi to get out of Gujarat to accomodate teh 'old timers' aka back stabbers!

All the reasosn are not yet understood and to take steps now is hara kiri.
Hilarious! Part of the game
<!--emo&:thumbsup--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbup.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbup.gif' /><!--endemo--> he would undertake a tour of all states over the next few months and interact with party workers to help re-energise the party. This shows his resolve not to be let down by the poll debacle and prepare the party to face coming battles, including immediate challenges in Maharashtra, Jharkhand and Haryana where Assembly elections are due. Advani saw an opportunity for BJP in the "demise" of the third and fourth fronts to build a "strong, stable and superior alternative" to Congress. Advani suggested corrective measures, including encouraging young leaders, taking into account the party's needs for the next 20 years. Advani himself may set an example by vacating his parliamentary post in favour of a younger leader at the appropriate time.

Pravin Togadia is Congress stooge. Now go back and check his actions in last 6-7 years. He is self gloating <b>Mr I </b>only. His brother had joined Congress in 2005 and was with Rahul Gandhi during his Gujarat trip. His other family members are also working for Congress. <b>LINK</b>
Its a myth that VHP belongs to or favor BJP or even RSS. Ashok Singhal and his family are die hard Congress workers. Same was Kishore etc.
These dimaks/Termites gave free ride to Congress and were very busy biting BJP especially before election. Before election they will come out demonizing BJP, this is their regular habit or they call it tactics to defeat BJP or Advani as they justify.
I watched Thamarai TV (Lotus TV in Tamil) for some time and I see that they do a good job in highlighting Hinduism in TN and Indian nationalism. I'm not sure what their viewership is.

This is the kind of TV we need.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jun 23 2009, 06:27 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jun 23 2009, 06:27 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pravin Togadia is Congress stooge. Now go back and check his actions in last 6-7 years. He is self gloating <b>Mr I </b>only. His brother had joined Congress in 2005 and was with Rahul Gandhi during his Gujarat trip. His other family members are also working for Congress. <b>LINK</b>
Its a myth that VHP belongs to or favor BJP or even RSS. Ashok Singhal and his family are die hard Congress workers. Same was Kishore etc.
These dimaks/Termites gave free ride to Congress and were very busy biting BJP especially before election. Before election they will come out demonizing BJP, this is their regular habit or they call it tactics to defeat BJP or Advani as they justify.
[right][snapback]99085[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->At present Hindus are leaderless. If some person occasionally says something slightly more sensible - even for opportunistic purposes, as Togadia may/may not have done here - and thereby provokes other Hindus to finally take notice on how far BJP has diverged from what a Hindu party ought to be striving for and start seeing the BJP has become too psecular, then it may finally force Hindu readers to rethink and form/push for Hindu political parties that DO have the <i>right</i> objectives, intentions, views and determination and power to implement these. And this <i>in spite of</i> whatever potential opportunists (Togadia, S Swamy or whoever) may have intended. I absolutely don't care about these people.
Those I'm interested in are mostly the unnamed and the forgotten. Generally tend to still be languishing in prisons (Dara, Swami Amritananda) or be terrorised by christoislamists (Orissa, Assam). I will tell my family to vote for whoever finally does something for these my people.

Modern nationalism is not my religion. I'm not a 'nationalist'. Am only interested in Hindu Dharma and the safekeeping of those still following it. And Bharatam is sacred territory. Belongs to Dharmics alone. Must be preserved for Dharmics.
<b>Narendra Modi might become BJP President</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Speculations are rife that though his Delhi dreams woke up to a crude reality after the poll fiasco, chief minister Narendra Modi's position as a party man will be on the rise nationally.Though the possibility of him holding a key post in the ministry at the centre was dashed, Modi can grow more in the party by getting a 'key' position in near future, party insiders say.

Among BJP leaders, Modi had travelled the most in the country with a principle agenda of glorifying the party's image against the 'dynastic rule' of the Gandhi family and the Congress as well as harp on developments he had caused. However, he refrained from touching the touchy 'Hindutva' agenda during his public meetings. He was given a free hand during the campaigning. He addressed more then 300 public meetings. Indirectly, though Rajnath Singh is the party president and LK Advani was projected as the prime ministerial candidate, Modi had single-handedly shouldered all responsibilities of the saffron party.

Above all, it is reasoned that the top brass can hardly afford to cut short the few leaders who actually wield clout of mass support, the likes of Narendra Modi and Shivraj Singh Chauhan. "Modi is seen as someone who has the ability to stand up to Gandhi scion and a leader-in-grooming, Rahul," said a senior BJP leader. "At least for the present there is no one in BJP who could measure up to the young Gandhi," the leader said, adding that the veteran warhorse Advani had already taken a beating.

According to sources, when the inside rift starts to show amongst warfaring BJP leaders, nobody dared to touch Modi even when the big fishes, including Jashwant Singh, Yashwant Sinha and others, targeted both the party barons Advani and Singh in the executive council meeting of the party. Modi had put two books praising Advani in his personal capacity before media after the meeting concluded.

"This shows," the sources said, "that Modi enjoys a high stature within the party. He may be allotted a key post, probably not less than the national president, in the party looking at his organisational skills. Modi already showed his strength of development during the seven successful years of regime in the state."

Another party insider pointed out some more reasons that are working for Modi. "First, most of the insiders who raised the voice of rebellion, including Arun Shourie, and Jaswant Singh, had openly supported Modi's projection as the party's future prime ministerial candidature. They, of course, don't have much against the CM, the source said adding that, secondly, other detractors of Modi, including Sushma Swaraj, do not have much to grudge as they have been given important positions and they are thus happy with their posts," the sources added.

However, sources close to party leaders in Delhi claim that Modi had already done his homework before leaving for the national capital to attend the national executive meeting. "He has a decent network in Delhi and utilised it to fullest to divert any fire in his direction. Leaders right from Prakash Javdeker to B Ram in Sangh among many others support him overtly and Modi pulled all strings possible to ensure that nothing goes wrong," a party leader said. No surprises then that not a single word was uttered against Modi, at least not in the public domain, he added.

<b>Varun meets RSS leaders following criticism at BJP meet</b>
<i>Lucknow, Jun 24 : BJP Pilibhit MP Feroze Varun Gandhi today held a meeting with the senior Uttar Pradesh RSS leaders here to discuss strategies for strengthening the party in the State.</i><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr Gandhi had an hour-long discussion with RSS regional pracharak Ashok Beri at the local RSS headquarters this morning, state BJP sources said.

The meeting was kept secret and none of the senior state BJP leaders were aware of the discussion. The BJP MP is scheduled to leave for New Delhi this this noon.

The state BJP sources said the RSS regional Pracharak and Mr Gandhi also discussed in detail about the progress of the hate speech case pending with the Pilibhit police.

<b>''Varun gave certain suggestions to the RSS for the revival of the party in the state besides a strategy for the Mission 2012 Assembly polls was discussed</b>," the sources added.

BJP state press secretary Hero Vajpayee told UNI here that Varun Gandhi visited Saraswati Sishu Mandir this morning.

''This was a personal visit of the Pilibhit MP and the state BJP is not aware of with whom the leader met and what discussions were held'', Mr Vajpayee said.

<b>His meeting with the RSS leaders assumes significance in view of the rumours within the party that Varun could be made the party's state president to give a youthful look to the party, BJP </b>sources claim. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On a day when the Liberhan Commission submitted its report to the Prime Minister, an unapologetic BJP reiterated its commitment to Ram Temple in Ayodhya and said that its “leaders had tried to prevent the demolition of the structure” even as it accused the Congress of “hatching a conspiracy” and dared the ruling party “to rebuild Babri Masjid at the original site”.

4th July 2009

by R.Rajagopalan

From Our Delhi Bureau

NEW DELHI: Former Union Minister of State Su Thirunavukkarasar is quitting the Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) and in all likelihood he is to join the Congress in Tamil Nadu. He is a national secretary of the party and a Rajya Sabha member.

The 60-year old leader, who unsuccessfully contested Ramanathapuram Lok Sabha seat in Tamil Nadu this time, is also resigning from the Rajya Sabha to which he was elected in 2004 from Madhya Pradesh.

He was elected to the Lok Sabha in 1999 on the BJP ticket from Pudukottai, but the seat went to AIADMK in 2004 in the seat-sharing formula and hence the BJP accommodated him in the Rajya Sabha from Madhya Pradesh.

Thirunavukkarasar always gave his permanent address in Pudukottai district unlike members elected from a state that is not their own own home state always showed their permanent address in that state like Prime Minister Manmohan Singh showing it in Guwahati, Rajya Sabha Opposition leader Arun Jaitley in Ahmedabad and Lok Sabha Opposition leader Lal Krishna Advani in Ahmedabad.

Originally belonging to the ADMK of late Chief Minister M G Ramachandran (MGR), Thirunavukkarasar was a member of the Tamil Nadu Assembly for 22 years from 1977, during which he has been a cabinet minister as also the deputy speaker of the Assembly.

He subsequently got elected to the Lok Sabha and joined the NDA government as a minister of state for shipping in 2002-03 and then as minister of state for communication and information technology in 2003-04.

Being a protege of MGR, he was never liked by AIADMK supremo J Jayalalithaa fearing a sort of threat to her political fortunes from him and hence she prevented him the Pudukottai seat in 2004 by claiming it for her own party.

<!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo--> Coming down on those writing off the BJP, the party chief said: "Even Congress had suffered when it got just 114 seats in the 1999 elections. But can you say that the party was completely rejected by the people? The party has now bounced back, securing 206 seats and is ruling the country. In the BJP's case, we have won 116 seats. We will definitely bounce back. Our future is bright."

From elsewhere..........

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the debates generated by the BJP's electoral defeat, the focus is stil mostly
on petty politicking, on electoral strategy, not on ideology. Some say the party
should disown Hindutva, others say the opposite, but most all of them discuss
this merely as an instrument for the BJP's fortunes (how much votes will
clamouring Hindutva cost/bring us?), not as a goal in its own right of which the
BJP is the instrument.

It's only maverick commentators like Radha Rajan and Sandhya Jain who see any
pressing need for a Hindu politics. They see time running out for Hindus in
Bangladesh, in the Northeast, in Kerala, in the missionary frontline zones.
Typically, they don't care about the term "Hindutva" one way or the other, only
for tangible Hindu interests: institutional, military, educational, demographic.
By contrast, in the BJP's internal debates, these concerns hardly even figure in
the background.

The Liberhan report on the Ayodhya demolition has once more highlighted the
BJP's and RSS's ideological vacuity. While someone undoubtedly demolished the
mosque, and quite wilfully, nobody now seems willing to claim responsibility.
RSS and BJP publications hilariously try to shift the "blame" to the then
Congress government. Mind you, probably PM Narasimha Rao did purposely remain
passive until the demolition was complete, because it was so politically
advantageous: it allowed him to sack the BJP state governments, it put the BJP
on the defensive, and most of all, it moved the Ayodhya affair one step closer
to a solution. (Imagine if the demolition had not taken place: the affair with
all its riiots would still be dragging on. Come to think of it, by ending that
stafge of the controversy, the demolition, in spite of its immediate violent
fall-out, has saved many lives in the longer term.)

But Rao could only play his cards like this because there already was a movement
on to demolish the Babri Masjid. So of course, there was a non-Congress and
Sangh-affiliated Hindu hand behind the demolition (I could give a few names),
but it was not Advani or the BJP nor the RSS top brass. But at least these
leaders could now have chosen to stand by "their" boys who had demolished the
Masjid. Instead they take the ridiculous position that the demolition was the
enemy's handiwork. They have neither ideological commitment nor honour.

kind regards,

Koenraad Elst
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->bjp has to deal with christian missionary terrorists in south india..the party is weak in andhra,t.n,kerala which send more than 100 M.Ps..there is no single MP for bjp from these states..the only way for bjp is by taking on christian missionaries..

what to do???

like how 1992 ram rath yatra mobilised hindus in north india....even in south bjp has to organise such event for hindu mobilisation and consolidation of hindu vote...

andhra,tamil nadu,kerala account for 30% minority vote(christian+muslim)..

conduct massive rallies and yatras taking help of swamis and let know the ppl abt missionaries

how missionaries cheat..

where they get money from...
the threat to national integration due to missionaries..

abt christian terrorism in north east and orissa.

bloody history of christian missionaries in europe,americas,australia..

say people how congress has become a christian party like antonia maino,y samuel reddy ,ambika soni,navin chawla are all christians..

how congress is anti hindu party..

without forgetting even a single thing

the above wat "alone" can help bjp to strengthen itself in south india..plz some one pass infor to bjp..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And work on spreading message of "Historicity of Jesus"

Make this 13 yr old Hindu girl as BJP President. She will kick Congress A**.
<!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> नई दिल्ली।। 'युवाओं को राहुल के चॉकलेटी फेस पर सम्मोहित नहीं होना चाहिए', युवाओं से यह कहना है बीजेपी की सीनियर लीडर सुषमा स्वराज का।

सुषमा स्वराज ने कहा- युवाओं को राहुल गांधी के चॉकलेटी फेस पर मरने की बजाए यह समझना चाहिए कि कांग्रेस में सिर्फ उन्हीं का भविष्य उज्ज्वल हो सकता है, जिन्हें राजनीति विरासत में मिली है। जबकि बीजेपी में कोई भी व्यक्ति सफलता की सीढ़ी चढ़ सकता है और टॉप पर पहुंच सकता है।
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Sushma Swaraj tolf BJP youth wing that don't go by chocolate face of Rahul Gandhi as BJP is party of hard working democrats.
Its not just about BJP but how a coterie develops in a modern feudal system.

The end of ideology

Arun Shourie
^ Related to the above:

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/07/sho...-of-system.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Monday, July 13, 2009
<b>shourie on decline of the system</b>
jul 13th, 2009


adha:patanam, that is descent into the netherworld.
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2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/07/fig...adows-arun.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, July 15, 2009
<b>fighting ghosts with shadows: arun shourie</b>
this is the second and third part of the series that Nizhal Yoddha posted two days ago.

Shourie has taken the gloves off when it comes to Advani; but I wonder who else is in the gun sights – I sense Dhimmi Kulkarni and Astronath Singh for sure; but others are hinted at.

Is ‘clever strategist’ == Arun Jaitley?

What is meant by ‘As relatives and henchmen acquire properties on the sly, as they run businesses benami’?

I love the use of Khaldun, Ibn Insha, Toynbee and Zulu proverb’s - all in one essay. What a tournament of shadows!!!

it is a depressing, yet engrossing tale - reading this feels a bit like watching one of Kurosawa’s Shakespeare adaptations. They will likely kick him out of the party soon. maybe Shourie has another career in literature?


Posted by Ghost Writer at 7/15/2009 07:33:00 PM 1 comments
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