Removing The Sheen From Buddhism

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Had referred to the following older news in another thread. Forgot to add link.



firstpost.com/india/india-was-a-buddhist-country-maharashtra-obcs-plan-ghar-wapsi-from-hinduism-2021943.html

Dec 30, 2014



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In 2007, around one lakh people were converted to Buddhism in Mumbai. The majority of the people who converted to Buddhism were tribals, nomadic tribes and other communities apart from the followers of dalit writer and Sahitya Akademin winner Laxman Mane. Mane himself converted to Buddhism in October 2006.



JV Pawar, renowned Dalit writer, said that the social awareness among the OBC community, who have been practicing Hinduism, seems to have increased in the past few years. “While the OBCs got reservation, they now realise that they need to rid themselves of the caste system in Hinduism. Due to the caste system, Dr BR Ambedkar, the Dalit icon, also converted to Buddhism,” Pawar said.



Pawar, much to the dismay of Hindutva activists, claimed that Hinduism did not exist in history. “India was actually a Buddhist country. It is evident from the cave art and ancient scriptures," he said.

Seems to be SOP for Buddhism:

- Buddhism is also investing heavily in its sudden pretence that there was no such thing as Bon before Buddhism.

- It also tried making Taoism into a late spinoff of Buddhism, despite Taoism dating at least to the Yellow Emperor. In contrast, Buddhism could only ever backproject itself and inculturate on others. Sort of like christianism

- Buddhism pretends that Shintoism is inseparable from Buddhism, having tried to forcibly create a Buddhism I mean syncretism/composite culture out of it. Except that Shintos always resisted and so many still keep Shinto religion pristine, untainted by Buddhism.



Nobody but the missionary religions=replacement ideologies believe all this "Buddhism/Jainism are ur-religions or ancestral religions" nonsense.

Well, the Bauddhified and christianised etc may believe it too, but may as well file them under converts.





Some comments:

Guttur Gujju



"India was a Buddhist country" - Satyashodhak OBC Parishad

No it wasnt really. Please refer to the ancient text for your knowledge. Buddhism dint even exist in India when people were following idol workshipping which is modern day Hinduism. Thats how old hinduism is in India.

I dont have anything to do with this article because following a faith is all an individual choice. Force conversion is not a right way.



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supernationalist > Guttur Gujju



No point correcting anybody. They are indoctrined idiots who will never wake up to reality.

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Thunder



i am OBC.. these criminals do not represent me....i live as hindu will die as hindu...



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(That's one more who's loyal to his ancestral heathenism/the Gods, and who refuses to roll over to missionising religions despite the mass dawaganda these have done against Hindoo heathenism. Note: Buddhism/Jainism/etc started inculturation and dawaganda against Hindoo heathenism and denying its laity - all to convert Hindoos better - long before christianism got into the same game. Most missionising techniques employed by christianism were pioneered by the nouveau Indic religions, and some adherents of the latter still use them.)





wneap



"“Before we began the movement of ‘ghar wapsi’ among OBCs, we tried to find out their origin. We found that OBCs were actually Buddhist. So, this movement is an attempt to bring them back into their original religion. This is not conversion but ‘ghar wapsi’,” said President Hanumant Upre of Satyashodhak OBC Parishad."



...says Hanumant, probably having long-forgotten that his own name is a variation of Hanuman, the monkey God, the greatest bhakt of Shri Ram.



As if foreign invaders' ideologies are not enough for the Breaking India project, we have brainwashed Hindus like these to aid them.



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Po.Vijai



"Before we began the movement of ‘ghar wapsi’ among OBCs, we tried to find out their origin. We found that OBCs were actually Buddhist". What research did you do to come to this conclusion Mr.Upre?!





Mayank



India was a Buddhist country? I mean seriously who teach history to these people. HInduism existed in India long before the birth of Lord Buddha.



These people who are converting to Buddhism, will they stop using their caste based benefits? The fact is that during census they continue to claim to be lower caste Hindu to get all the government benefits. Those who abandon the benefits decide to return to Hinduism after some time. I have seen so many such cases.



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Buddhism is good for the bauddhifiable, just like christianism is good for the similarly convertible, etc.

But for those who are conscious heathens and hence loyal - like Thunder above - there can never be a replacement for their own ancestral heathenism. Most subvertibles and subversionists are not from the laity however.





This is an allegation I've never heard of:

ReferencePointGold > sudhee26



If it was not for the pacifism of Buddhism, we would never have let Islam into India. Bappa Rawal stopped the Muslim hordes. But the Buddhist viharas at Takshashila welcomed muslims hoping they will kill hindus making it easy fOr baudhamaatvaadis to regain control of India. They were stupid because muslims destroyed everything about baudhamaatvaadis from NW India.



(First of all: "baudhamaatvaadis to regain control of India". Buddhism never had control of India. Maybe political control in kingdoms here and there, now and then, but greater India - all the way to Afghanistan inclusive - had never actually been Buddhist or even Buddhist majority*. (And the laity was the most unreached.) Only parts/some kingdoms of once-Hindu SE Asia got drowned, others remained Hindu and further others were returned to Hindu rule and the population was therefore never converted.

*Not counting the ever-fertile imagination of the Bauddhified.



But the rest is a really serious allegation. Shouldn't make accusations - especially ones that are this serious - without proof.

While christianism is quite so insane that it will invite the inquisition and teams up even with jihadi islam to better facilitate the conversion of heathen India to a monotheism, I can't see that Buddhism was quite that far gone.

Then again, many post-Ambedkar neo-Buddhists and the Jain Minority Forums are always going on about their how fellow "minorities" islamics and christos are "oppressed by Hindus too". And that's their chosen position despite the power of hindsight.

Nevertheless, big claims require big evidence.)



If obc people think baudhamaat is better let there be a debate like one between Kumarila Bhat and Shankara. Unfortunately, the Dalit term is exploited by all and sundry. When will these half educated people learn?

"OBC" people do *not* uniformly prefer Buddhism. Thunder may have vocalised his loyalty to his Hindoo religion, but there are many others who are equally disinterested in converting to any of the missionary religions, being prodigiously happy in their own ancestral Hindoo heathenism. Christianism and adherents of several Indic religions have invested heavily in anti-Hindu dawaganda and its extent reachers all quarters of Hindus.

There are many non-OBC types who convert to Buddhism or Bauddhify themselves or otherwise peddle Buddhism. In the last case at least, it's usually the result of an almost institutionalised ignorance in India of the actual history of Buddhism in Asia, which requires a lot of reading of primary sources - of both the missionary end and the receiving end - to cure. I'm sure if more Indians did some actual researching of the subject for themselves, they'd also stop advertising for Buddhism etc. Hard lesson to learn.