1. <!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Jan 15 2009, 07:06 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Jan 15 2009, 07:06 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tariq Ansari is the Managing Director of <b>Mid-Day</b> Multimedia.
Mid-Day Multimedia's guiding force is Khalid Ansari.
Khalid Ansari is the Chairman of Mid-Day Group of Publication based in Mumbai.
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Wackypedia as at sometime today -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dayal
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>John Dayal</b>
John Dayal, (New Delhi, Oct. 2, 1948 - ) is an Indian Christian activist and campaigner for Dalit rights. <b>Formerly a journalist with the Delhi edition of the Indian tabloid newspaper, the Mid-Day</b>, he has gone on to <b>found and preside over the ecumenical All India Christian Council and United Christian Forum for Human Rights</b>. Dayal, born of Christian parents from Central India, is married and resides normally in New Delhi. He describes himself as a "human rights activist" who is "fighting for the rights of Muslim, Christian and Dalit minorities" in India. <b>He is associated with numerous Christian evangelical groups, such as Dalit Freedom Network[1].</b>
He has attacked anti-Conversion bills passed in various states in India[1].
<b>Criticism</b>
He has been described by Francois Gautier as a radical fanatic[2]. P.N Benjamin, the coordinator of the Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialogue, said that Dayal "opens his mouth and wields his pen only to spew venom on the Hindu community"[3] >.John Dayal was very popular among some anti-Hindu elements, such as the (now defunct) website <b>Dalitstan, where his works were frequently showcased</b> [4]. Rediff columnist Varsha Bhosle criticizes Dayal for having subversive separatist views and misrepresenting the Catholic Church in India [5].<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But something in <b>me</b> does not want to. <b>I</b> am torn. So <b>I</b> took the path of not including them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This is not about you.
It is about other people - your list's audience - who have not yet learnt to see the pattern, who do not know to identify christianism. And whose ignorance you are only perpetuating by concealing the most important fact of all: that of 'religious' (terrorist) motivation guiding all these seemingly random secular 'coincidences'.
Your list, stripped of this most important fact, will not help any target audience. The <i>pattern</i> is what needs to be revealed so that people can learn to recognise it and work things out for themselves. The individuals in your list are incidental: they can and will in future be replaced by other cryptos - who will all <i>behave</i> the same way to further their terrorism. Unless people can learn to pick up on the pattern of the otherwise-hard-to-identify hand of christianism, it serves 0 purpose. (Islamism is often easier to recognise)
Your being 'torn' is beside the point. I don't know when stating the truth can ever be an offence. I'm just asking you to state the facts which crypto names will not provide: that Prannoy Roy is a christian as is Suzanna Roy, that N.Ram's wives are christians, etcetera. The cryptos have hidden their identities behind Hindu names and symbols (e.g. bindis) on purpose. Why Hindus would go along with their intention is beyond me. Why are secularised Hindus so conditioned that they will not even dare say *what religions* are involved? The conditioning has got Hindus censoring themselves. Dhimmitude.
At least people should be consistent in censoring themselves. Therefore do not identify:
- the NLFT as being christian - it murdered Shanti Tripura and countless other Hindus
- the christian maoists in Orissa as christians - they murdered Swami Lakshmanananda and the other Hindus who were with him.
- various LTTE heads as christians who have murdered inconvertibles of SL.
Maybe secular Hindus' position should be that the ideology in all of this is really coincidence, not important?
Maybe Hindus should do what the psecular christian media does, and describe incidents as "the majority community was attacked by the minority community. Again." And refer to islamic terrorism as merely "terrorism".
And then, in natural consequence, follow the communist hysterians in deciding that history should be purged of communal events (since these were instigated by the 'minorities' of course) to make it less offensive to the minority communities' religious sensitivities.
Christoislamis feel solidarity only with their own kind (but will form temporary alliances if these would serve their long-term purposes). Secular Hindus show solidarity only with christoislamis, and will sell Hindu victims for this. Christoislamics never feel torn when they announce jihad or Nagaland for christ and when the NLFT murders Hindus beyond count. Quite contrary to secular Hindus. However the secular Hindu's sensitivity is not uniform, but partial: it feels pain and injury only when it comes to naming christianism and islamism since this might offend the venerable sensibilities of the 'minorities'. The secular Hindu's sensitivity obviously feels absolutely nothing for such things as this:
http://www.christianaggression.com/item_di...S&id=1069383784
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Large-scale conversions triggered a systematic ethnic cleansing campaign sponsored by the Church which lead to migration of Reangs and Brus from Mizoram to Tripura and Assam</b>, who have since been languishing in different make-shift camps and demanding safe return and rehabilitation to their ancestral homeland.
More shocking is that the refugees were also deprived of their voting rights in the last November Assembly elections in Mizoram. <b>There are now 45,000 refugees in the two states - about 36,000 in Tripura and another 9,000 in Assam. They are uncertain of returning to their ancestral land and their only hope now seems to rest on the Centre to resolve the problem.</b>
These refugees are living under terrible conditions in the make- shift camps. Last year, over 350 refugees had died following the spread of gastroenterities and other diseases. Even now, paucity of medicines and food exist as quantities supplied by the camp authorities are not sufficient.
<b>Sixteen-year old Maniram Reang, sheltered in a refugee camp in North Tripura</b>, said, "Our condition is like that of animals here," adding <b>"We do not know what crime we have done to live away from our motherland in such terrible conditions in refugee camps."</b>
Similar camps for refugees are located at Gachirampara, Dosda, Anandbazar and Kanchanpur.
The recent bomb attack was intended to scare away Reangs who wish to participate in the upcoming elections in Christian dominated Mizoram.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.christianaggression.com/item_di...46733&type=news
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Thirteen Years of Killings in Tripura by the NLFT</b>
Posted August 10, 2003
NLFT Killings (1989-2003)
Below is a summary of past actions carried out by Christian terrorist group, NLFT (The National Liberation Front of Tripura), which is armed and funded by the Baptist Church.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>A long timeline.</b>
<b>Another brief sample timeline is contained in</b>
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1081134529
<b>Cleansing of Hindus in Tripura</b>
April 4, 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Will always remain an evil yindoo.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, concealing the truth is evil (and the error compounded further when you choose to do it merely because it otherwise causes inconvenience to you). To do so is wrong since you <i>know</i> otherwise, since you can do otherwise, since revealing the truth could help open the eyes of many and teach them the need to resist the menace.
It is a form of treachery, it is a crime against truth and against the many victims of terrorist ideologies.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But something in me does not want to. I am torn. So I took the path of not including them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But I'm glad you no longer feel torn now, having made your decision. No matter about the many people dead (like those in the links above); they are sufficient pay for salvaging your selective conscience that's only injured when it comes to identifying christoislamania as the source for various terrorisms, subversion and disinformation.
Hmmm, there *is* something deep to what you say, though. It outlines a new Dharma for this new Age of ours. I should perhaps start following your example. But I think I'll defer feeling torn about covering for the criminal ideologies until it's your family/descendants' names that are up on that list of NLFT/other christoislamic gang's victims. You will not mind that, surely, as I'll then only be taking your excellent moral leadership as my guide: that it is okay for truth to be sacrificed for the sake of alleviating one's slight sensitivities when it comes to the obviously undelectable task of identifying and rightfully denouncing the greatest terrorism. I'm sure that when the times comes, I will have learnt to develop the required 'sensitivity' too. And to take the same 'path' too.
See, what I cannot do for the Hindus already dead, I am willing to do for you: I will then make myself into the same sort of 'evil yindoo' you choose to be now. I think I am very capable - to feel nothing at all for secular victims of christoislamism who previously were themselves ambivalent about other victims. Yes. I will be fashionably torn too. I'll make it look good. Just say the word.
The question that remains is only this: Do you wish me to look forward to this future exercise? You would not wish to play the hypocrite, I think? (Or you may choose to argue that you and yours are more important than the incomplete list of murdered dead above. I am not familiar with your/secular ethics.)
3. What's this about "nationalism"? Christianism and islamism are not a threat against nationalism. (In Nepal they are creating 'nationalism' as the anti-Hindu movement. In SL they have created a Tamizh identity movement. In TN they have created a Dravidian identity movement.) Christoislamism is a threat against <i>Dharma</i>, against <i>Natural Traditions</i>. They will use whatever means is necessary: Nationalism in Nepal, anti-nationalism in Bharatam, piggybacking with islamic terrorism against the country. Any and all means.
The ancient Romans, giving up on correcting the ceaseless christian intolerance against their Natural Traditions, reduced their expectations of them to mere nationalism too. The christians, who were traitors against pagan Rome, did eventually become nationalists: but only when the empire had become christian, of course. So whoever was worried about anti-nationalists need do nothing and only wait. Then they will all become nationalists in time. But that says nothing about the cost at which this will be achieved, of course. Or the sort of nation that will result.
Mid-Day Multimedia's guiding force is Khalid Ansari.
Khalid Ansari is the Chairman of Mid-Day Group of Publication based in Mumbai.
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Wackypedia as at sometime today -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dayal
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>John Dayal</b>
John Dayal, (New Delhi, Oct. 2, 1948 - ) is an Indian Christian activist and campaigner for Dalit rights. <b>Formerly a journalist with the Delhi edition of the Indian tabloid newspaper, the Mid-Day</b>, he has gone on to <b>found and preside over the ecumenical All India Christian Council and United Christian Forum for Human Rights</b>. Dayal, born of Christian parents from Central India, is married and resides normally in New Delhi. He describes himself as a "human rights activist" who is "fighting for the rights of Muslim, Christian and Dalit minorities" in India. <b>He is associated with numerous Christian evangelical groups, such as Dalit Freedom Network[1].</b>
He has attacked anti-Conversion bills passed in various states in India[1].
<b>Criticism</b>
He has been described by Francois Gautier as a radical fanatic[2]. P.N Benjamin, the coordinator of the Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialogue, said that Dayal "opens his mouth and wields his pen only to spew venom on the Hindu community"[3] >.John Dayal was very popular among some anti-Hindu elements, such as the (now defunct) website <b>Dalitstan, where his works were frequently showcased</b> [4]. Rediff columnist Varsha Bhosle criticizes Dayal for having subversive separatist views and misrepresenting the Catholic Church in India [5].<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But something in <b>me</b> does not want to. <b>I</b> am torn. So <b>I</b> took the path of not including them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This is not about you.
It is about other people - your list's audience - who have not yet learnt to see the pattern, who do not know to identify christianism. And whose ignorance you are only perpetuating by concealing the most important fact of all: that of 'religious' (terrorist) motivation guiding all these seemingly random secular 'coincidences'.
Your list, stripped of this most important fact, will not help any target audience. The <i>pattern</i> is what needs to be revealed so that people can learn to recognise it and work things out for themselves. The individuals in your list are incidental: they can and will in future be replaced by other cryptos - who will all <i>behave</i> the same way to further their terrorism. Unless people can learn to pick up on the pattern of the otherwise-hard-to-identify hand of christianism, it serves 0 purpose. (Islamism is often easier to recognise)
Your being 'torn' is beside the point. I don't know when stating the truth can ever be an offence. I'm just asking you to state the facts which crypto names will not provide: that Prannoy Roy is a christian as is Suzanna Roy, that N.Ram's wives are christians, etcetera. The cryptos have hidden their identities behind Hindu names and symbols (e.g. bindis) on purpose. Why Hindus would go along with their intention is beyond me. Why are secularised Hindus so conditioned that they will not even dare say *what religions* are involved? The conditioning has got Hindus censoring themselves. Dhimmitude.
At least people should be consistent in censoring themselves. Therefore do not identify:
- the NLFT as being christian - it murdered Shanti Tripura and countless other Hindus
- the christian maoists in Orissa as christians - they murdered Swami Lakshmanananda and the other Hindus who were with him.
- various LTTE heads as christians who have murdered inconvertibles of SL.
Maybe secular Hindus' position should be that the ideology in all of this is really coincidence, not important?
Maybe Hindus should do what the psecular christian media does, and describe incidents as "the majority community was attacked by the minority community. Again." And refer to islamic terrorism as merely "terrorism".
And then, in natural consequence, follow the communist hysterians in deciding that history should be purged of communal events (since these were instigated by the 'minorities' of course) to make it less offensive to the minority communities' religious sensitivities.
Christoislamis feel solidarity only with their own kind (but will form temporary alliances if these would serve their long-term purposes). Secular Hindus show solidarity only with christoislamis, and will sell Hindu victims for this. Christoislamics never feel torn when they announce jihad or Nagaland for christ and when the NLFT murders Hindus beyond count. Quite contrary to secular Hindus. However the secular Hindu's sensitivity is not uniform, but partial: it feels pain and injury only when it comes to naming christianism and islamism since this might offend the venerable sensibilities of the 'minorities'. The secular Hindu's sensitivity obviously feels absolutely nothing for such things as this:
http://www.christianaggression.com/item_di...S&id=1069383784
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Large-scale conversions triggered a systematic ethnic cleansing campaign sponsored by the Church which lead to migration of Reangs and Brus from Mizoram to Tripura and Assam</b>, who have since been languishing in different make-shift camps and demanding safe return and rehabilitation to their ancestral homeland.
More shocking is that the refugees were also deprived of their voting rights in the last November Assembly elections in Mizoram. <b>There are now 45,000 refugees in the two states - about 36,000 in Tripura and another 9,000 in Assam. They are uncertain of returning to their ancestral land and their only hope now seems to rest on the Centre to resolve the problem.</b>
These refugees are living under terrible conditions in the make- shift camps. Last year, over 350 refugees had died following the spread of gastroenterities and other diseases. Even now, paucity of medicines and food exist as quantities supplied by the camp authorities are not sufficient.
<b>Sixteen-year old Maniram Reang, sheltered in a refugee camp in North Tripura</b>, said, "Our condition is like that of animals here," adding <b>"We do not know what crime we have done to live away from our motherland in such terrible conditions in refugee camps."</b>
Similar camps for refugees are located at Gachirampara, Dosda, Anandbazar and Kanchanpur.
The recent bomb attack was intended to scare away Reangs who wish to participate in the upcoming elections in Christian dominated Mizoram.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.christianaggression.com/item_di...46733&type=news
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Thirteen Years of Killings in Tripura by the NLFT</b>
Posted August 10, 2003
NLFT Killings (1989-2003)
Below is a summary of past actions carried out by Christian terrorist group, NLFT (The National Liberation Front of Tripura), which is armed and funded by the Baptist Church.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>A long timeline.</b>
<b>Another brief sample timeline is contained in</b>
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1081134529
<b>Cleansing of Hindus in Tripura</b>
April 4, 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Will always remain an evil yindoo.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, concealing the truth is evil (and the error compounded further when you choose to do it merely because it otherwise causes inconvenience to you). To do so is wrong since you <i>know</i> otherwise, since you can do otherwise, since revealing the truth could help open the eyes of many and teach them the need to resist the menace.
It is a form of treachery, it is a crime against truth and against the many victims of terrorist ideologies.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But something in me does not want to. I am torn. So I took the path of not including them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But I'm glad you no longer feel torn now, having made your decision. No matter about the many people dead (like those in the links above); they are sufficient pay for salvaging your selective conscience that's only injured when it comes to identifying christoislamania as the source for various terrorisms, subversion and disinformation.
Hmmm, there *is* something deep to what you say, though. It outlines a new Dharma for this new Age of ours. I should perhaps start following your example. But I think I'll defer feeling torn about covering for the criminal ideologies until it's your family/descendants' names that are up on that list of NLFT/other christoislamic gang's victims. You will not mind that, surely, as I'll then only be taking your excellent moral leadership as my guide: that it is okay for truth to be sacrificed for the sake of alleviating one's slight sensitivities when it comes to the obviously undelectable task of identifying and rightfully denouncing the greatest terrorism. I'm sure that when the times comes, I will have learnt to develop the required 'sensitivity' too. And to take the same 'path' too.
See, what I cannot do for the Hindus already dead, I am willing to do for you: I will then make myself into the same sort of 'evil yindoo' you choose to be now. I think I am very capable - to feel nothing at all for secular victims of christoislamism who previously were themselves ambivalent about other victims. Yes. I will be fashionably torn too. I'll make it look good. Just say the word.
The question that remains is only this: Do you wish me to look forward to this future exercise? You would not wish to play the hypocrite, I think? (Or you may choose to argue that you and yours are more important than the incomplete list of murdered dead above. I am not familiar with your/secular ethics.)
3. What's this about "nationalism"? Christianism and islamism are not a threat against nationalism. (In Nepal they are creating 'nationalism' as the anti-Hindu movement. In SL they have created a Tamizh identity movement. In TN they have created a Dravidian identity movement.) Christoislamism is a threat against <i>Dharma</i>, against <i>Natural Traditions</i>. They will use whatever means is necessary: Nationalism in Nepal, anti-nationalism in Bharatam, piggybacking with islamic terrorism against the country. Any and all means.
The ancient Romans, giving up on correcting the ceaseless christian intolerance against their Natural Traditions, reduced their expectations of them to mere nationalism too. The christians, who were traitors against pagan Rome, did eventually become nationalists: but only when the empire had become christian, of course. So whoever was worried about anti-nationalists need do nothing and only wait. Then they will all become nationalists in time. But that says nothing about the cost at which this will be achieved, of course. Or the sort of nation that will result.