Nexus Between Entities Influencing India

[Guest]

No problem. The word "malar" could have thrown you off. Are you pointing to the religion-politics nexus or is there something else? thanks.

[Guest]

Next round's attention went to ANHAD.

[Guest]

To add to the list:

Tarun Tejpal's father is a Punjab Congress State Committee member. He and Tarun himself were close to Arjun Singh when he was the governor of Punjab. Tarun Tejpal used to look after the publicity department of Tewari Congress of which Arjun Singh was the president.

[Guest]

Is Asianet pro-BJP?

[Bodhi]

someone on a list informed that the "Suzanne" Arundhati is different from the author-activist Arundhati. While the former is a cousin of Prannoy Roy, the latter Arundhati the Booker Prize winner has no relation with the two.

[Husky]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Feb 3 2009, 09:36 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Feb 3 2009, 09:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->someone on a list informed that the "Suzanne" Arundhati is different from the author-activist Arundhati.  While the former is a cousin of Prannoy Roy, the latter Arundhati the Booker Prize winner has no relation with the two.
[right][snapback]94181[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Let me try to get this clear. So they're <i>saying</i> (=claim):
'[Author-activist and Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy] IS NOT [Suzanna Arundhati Roy cousin of Prannoy Roy]'.

Their claim is contradicted by the following (read in sequence):

1. http://www.rediff.com/news/oct/15mary.htm
- An interview with Mary Roy, Kerala Syrian Christian, women's activist AND mother of the Arundhati Roy who 'won' the booker prize for gawd of small things
- The interviewer also clarifies that Prannoy Roy of NDTV is first cousin to <i>this same</i> Arundhati Roy.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>'Arundhati did not write for money'</b>
Chindu Sreedharan

When the phone rang, <b>Mary Roy</b> heard it almost immediately.

What else could it be at 3 am in the morning? It must be about Arundhati.

It was.

"I was fast asleep. <b>Arundhati just told me she was the Booker choice," the proud mother told Rediff On The NeT</b> in a telephone interview from Kottayam, Kerala. "It was a brief conversation. She had her husband (Pradeep Kishen) with her and was talking from a crowded pressroom."

How, we ask that cliched question, did it feel to hear the news?

"How else but happy?" <b>Mary Roy</b> answered, "And very, very proud! I love her very much. I love her the same -- not more, not less because of it!"

The news, in reality, was not much of a surprise to the winner's mother.

"In the past few weeks, India was being impeded by bookie ratings -- Star News was showing it every day," she said. <b>(Prannoy Roy, the Star Newscaster, incidentally, is Arundhati's first cousin.)</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The above at least proves that the Arundhati Roy who won the booker prize for 'god of small things' - is the daughter of (a Kerala Syrian) christian mother AND is cousin to NDTV's Prannoy Roy. (Wacky says about the book 'Gawd Of Small Things': "Prominent facets of Kerala life that the novel captures are Communism, the caste system, and <b>the Keralite Syrian Christian way of life</b>.")

Now for her names, before connecting the same Arundhati Roy to the one known for her anti-Hindu activism.


2. Wacky's Arundhati Roy page, author of booker prize winning "gawd of small things" - it tallies well with the above:
- Confirms her mother is the Kerala Syrian Christian 'women's activist' Mary Roy and that her cousin is Prannoy of NDTV
- Says that her name is Suzanna Arundhati Roy
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Arundhati Roy</b>

Arundhati Roy speaking at the 2007 World Tribunal on Iraq.
Born 24 November 1961 (1961-11-24) (age 46)
Shillong, Meghalaya, India
Occupation Novelist, essayist
Nationality  India
Writing period 1997-present
<b>Suzanna Arundhati Roy</b> (born 24 November 1961) is an Indian writer and activist who won the <b>Booker Prize in 1997 for her novel, The God of Small Things,</b> and in 2002, the Lannan Cultural Freedom Prize.

[...]
<b>Roy was born</b> in Shillong, Meghalaya,[1] India, <b>to a Keralite Syrian Christian mother, the women's rights activist Mary Roy, and a Bengali father</b>, a tea planter by profession. Her brother had schizophrenia and committed suicide, possibly while under the influence of drugs of abuse. She spent her childhood in Ayemenem or Aymanam in Kerala, and <b>went to school at Corpus Christi, Kottayam,</b> followed by the Lawrence School, Lovedale, in the Nilgiris, Tamil Nadu. She then studied architecture at the School of Planning and Architecture, New Delhi, where she met her first husband, architect Gerard DaCunha.

<b>Roy met her second husband, filmmaker Pradip Krishen</b>, in 1984, and played a village girl in his award-winning movie Massey Sahib. She has two children. Until made financially stable by the success of <b>The God of Small Things,</b> she worked various jobs - including running aerobics classes at New Delhi five-star hotels. <b>Roy is a niece of prominent media personality Prannoy Roy, the head of the leading Indian TV media group NDTV,[2] and lives in New Delhi.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


3. http://www.sandeepweb.com/2005/08/05/impre...tional-slavery/
From a review discussing the contents of
Indian christian Richard Crasta's <b>Impressing the Whites: The New International Slavery</b>

- Shows that Margaret is the *other* name of Suzanna 'Arundhati' Roy (=winner of booker prize for 'gawd of small things' AND daughter of Kerala Syrian christian Mary Roy AND cousin to Prannoy Roy of NDTV):

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->August 5th, 2005
The fact that it is not popular owes precisely to the cause of the hard truths it reveals. An Amazon search revealed that it is “out of print/limited availability” and there’s not a single review: editorial or otherwise. <b>Crasta, a Mangalorean Catholic</b> by birth
[...]
<b>The book gives us a multitude of methods Indians use to impress the whites.</b>
[...]
Richard Crasta singles out the literary domain to prove his thesis, his chosen targets: Salman Rushdie, Vikram Seth, Amitav Ghosh (whose wife is one Deborah Baker), and <b>Arundhati Roy</b> and Pankaj Mishra, to an extent. He traces their literary careers in some detail and shows how they have become the spokesmen for the West to understand India. It is their ideas of India that the West accepts.
[...]
Returning to literature, Crasta calls the writers of Rushdie’s breed as “public school writers.” This alludes to their education–in elite schools like the St Stephens where children are taught to denigrate the Indian heritage. That Pankaj Mishra called David Godwin after reading Arundhati Roy’s manuscript instead of an Indian publisher is a beacon for how things are skewed.

<b>And then there’s an insight into the politics of names. This is extremely subtle but powerful. Arundhati Roy’s real name is Margaret Roy</b> but the West refuses to publish books authored by an Indian who has a non-Hindu name. From experience, Crasta says he was promised a hefty advance for one of his novels the moment he said he was contemplating a change of his name to Avatar Prabhu. There’s also a converse of this theory, which again is aimed to please the whites. Changing Indian names to “American” names so that they can pronounce/remember them easily.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

4. Finally, this is just to make it clear that Margaret Suzanna 'Arundhati' Roy - daughter of Kerala Syrian Christian Mary Roy, cousin to NDTV's Prannoy Roy and author of booker prize winning 'gawd of small things' - is the same lying christoterrorist we all know.
Here's a Guardian UK interview with her:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/feb/1...on.arundhatiroy
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Arundhati Roy wrote a stunning Booker winner</b>, then became a political activist. Ten years and two court cases later, she has begun a second novel. Randeep Ramesh reports.
[...]
Many had written off the chances that <b>Arundhati Roy</b> would return to the world of fiction. Her astounding first novel, <b>The God of Small Things</b>, won the <b>Booker</b> in 1997. Ten years and 6m copies later there was still no repeat of the lyrical, whirling debut. Instead Roy turned to lobbing literary Molotov cocktails at Enron, George Bush's war on terror and the World Trade Organisation in the form of incendiary polemics. No one could accuse her of having writers' block: she churned out six books, collections of her essays with titles such as Power Politics and An Ordinary Person's Guide to Empire.
[...]
Roy says some parts of the country, such as the western state of Gujarat - the scene of a bloody pogrom against Muslims five years ago - are off limits to her because of her campaigning. A few years ago she was briefly imprisoned for contempt of court while protesting against the country's controversial <b>Narmada Dam project.</b> The God of Small Things produced obscenity charges and a court case that ran for a decade, only to be dismissed last week.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The following is not really relevant, but interesting info. This is an interview with Mary Roy - mother of Margaret Suzanna 'Arundhati' Roy who won the booker prize for gawd of small things:
http://www.rediff.com/news/sep/18arun.htm
<b>'Ammu may have some similarities to me, but she is not Mary Roy'</b>
by George Iype
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[image:]Mary Roy

Arundhati Roy's The God Of Small Things, has just been nominated for Britain's top literary award, the Booker Prize.

Consistently on the bestseller lists for several months now, the book has attracted its share of controversy. A member of the Syrian Christian church has filed a case against the novelist for allegedly vilifying the community while Marxist leader E M S Nambooridipad has accused Roy of mangling facts.

To understand the controversies swirling around the book, Rediff On the NeT's George Iype turned to an unlikely quarter -- Mary Roy, Arundhati Roy's mother and herself a celebrated maverick. A Rediff On The NeT World Exclusive!

Both mother and daughter are rebels. The mother fought against Christian inheritance law, winning a landmark Supreme Court verdict that granted Christian women in Kerala the right to their parents's property. The daughter left home at 18, did not see her mother for six years after that, lived an unconventional lifestyle and is now a literary superstar.

After a 30-year relentless campaign for women's rights, Mary Roy now leads a quiet life in Kottayam where she <b>runs the much sought-after Corpus Christi school at Kalathipady. Arundhati is a member of the school's governing body</b>; the wars of the past are over -- mother and daughter are now close as is evident from Arundhati's moving dedication to Mary in her book.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Note: just like Mary Roy, many christians are 'rebels' against the church or christoterrorist laws, but they are still devout christians. Similar to how many christians are communists, and how many African origin people in America are christians while being opposed to European christians.

Mary Roy's answer to the last question of the interview reveals a typically christian mindset: "Because us christian women are oppressed in christianism (and islamic women are oppressed by islamism), *all* women in India must be similarly oppressed toooooo":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Do you think women in India are still under the dominance of men?</b>

Of course, they are. There are few women who are able to work and support their families in India. Indian women need more economic independence. One absolute certainty in India is that women are born to get married. And marriage means getting a <b>dowry.</b> And getting a dowry means staying with your parents. And staying with your parents is to get social acceptance. Or else your daughter will not get the right bridegroom. This is the biggest hurdle that women face in India today.

What we need is mental and financial independence for women so that they can exist as Indian citizens with equal rights with men.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Indian christian women can stop speaking for Dharmics. Yes, christian women have it very bad. But they have a tendency to want to see the christianist oppression of christian women mirrored among free peoples. Repeat: therefore they make it their monotheist mission to 'save all women' only because they themselves are oppressed. They must 'save', in the pattern of their non-existent jesus who is advertised as 'saving' the ... as saving ... something or other.

Also, dowry is a rampant disease among Kerala christians among whom its occurrence is 80%, whereas it is only ~50% among Kerala Hindus - as even an article in the christian paper TOI had to admit:
<b>timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/825415.cms</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Even in matter of dowry, Christians lead the tally with 80% families following it. Muslims tag along at 76%. Though less, Hindus too are yet to rid themselves of the social evil with 52% still under its grip.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Husky]

^ Bodhi, for you.


Anyone know what 'religion', if any, the marxist Amitav Ghosh is into? Is there anything he adheres to unofficially (the way The Chindu's N.Ram shows a penchant for catholicism)?

[Guest]

Dr. Sebastian Champappilly is an authority on Christian Law in India, and is from Kerala. He has analysed the Mary Roy Judgment.

I have been looking at Kerala. Should I include Asianet in the next round? Rajeev Chandrasekhar is the nephew of National Security Advisor Narayanan, and is father has military background. Rajeev went into Rajya Sabha in 2006. Any thoughts?

[Guest]

Amitav Ghosh? Is he the same person who is married to Deborah Baker? He is a Doon alumni. His was father was Lt-Col. Shailendra Chandra Ghosh who served in the British Army in Burma.

[Husky]

<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Feb 3 2009, 09:04 PM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Feb 3 2009, 09:04 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Amitav Ghosh? Is he the same person who is married to Deborah Baker?
[right][snapback]94210[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, the same.


Other stuff:
1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/01/mis...-of-andhra.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sunday, January 25, 2009
<b>Missionary agenda of YSR CM of Andhra Pradesh: From the Horse's Mouth</b>
jan 25th, 2009

this is how the republic is supporting 'secularism', ie. the eradication of hinduism. very appropriate on republic day.

samuel reddy evangelizes at taxpayer expense.

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From: Sriram

Rajeev,
  This is from someone in the hinduism forum who compiled data on the christist YSR on distributing state money to the missionaries.

thanks
Sriram


There are always allegations about the missionary zeal of the Christian Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Y.S Rajasekhara Reddy or commonly known as YSR. But many times due to absence of hard evidence, these are often discarded as nothing more than chest-thumping.

For people who believe only in "evidences" here it is. its a  collection of  all the Government Orders (GO) by the Government of AP allotting funds to various Churches in AP.  source of information is no secret either. It is the online portal of Govt of AP listing all the GOs it issued (the government portals are treasure houses of information; you just have to know how to dig out what you need). You can see the data in this page:


http://suryassk.googlepages.com/AP_GOs.htm


The following is the summary of the data from that sheet:

1. The GO portal is active only from February 2008, hence the data  given is only of 1 year (ie., Feb 2008 to Jan 2009). Note that although vast, it is by no means comprehensive (ie., I have shown Govt 263.07 lakhs to Christian institutions. This amount is the minimum spent on them, not the maximum).

2. But even for a single year, an amount of 263.07 lakhs was given as aid to various Christian institutions.

3. More than 258 churches benefited from these grants for construction/renovation of churches.

4. An amount of 1316.54 lakhs was given as aid to various Muslim institutions through Wakf boards.

<b>5. Not a single GO granting any aid to a Hindu temple can be found. This in spite of the fact that in AP, the Hindu temples are managed by the Endowments Ministry (put it simply they take all the money which the temples generate).

6. Govt takes away all the money which Hindu temples generate, but do not grant a single penny to any of its temples. It does not touch the money from Christian and Muslim institutions, but grants them huge amounts of money.</b>


I have always argued that the "Missionary Charity" is just a myth ( http://ssksurya.blogspot.com/2006/05/quest...ry-charity.html ). These new evidence only reinforce my earlier points. I do not want to waste more words how the Christian CM of AP is perusing his missionary zeal not just through individual actions, but also through direct grants from the Government of AP. As I said, the facts speak louder. Let the reader judge for himself.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/01/et-...s-separate.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, January 27, 2009
<b>et tu?: now Naidu promises separate corporation for Christists</b>
jan 27th, 2009

competitive pandering. naidu wants to outdo samuel reddy in pandering to christists. this seems to indicate that the crypto-christists of AP have become a sizeable force.

nobody is creating any corporations to protect hindu interests.

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From: Girish


GUNTUR: A separate corporation will be opened in the State to provide protection to all the Christian properties, renovate churches, and provide amounts to larger number of Christians to travel to Bethlehem, said Telugu Desam Party President Nara Chandrababu Naidu.


www.hindu.com/2009/01/28/stories/2009012859250800.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->More at http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/01...-of-separatism/

[Husky]

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/01/exa...t-for-asks.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, January 27, 2009
<b>exactly: What did I get it for, asks Sister Nirmala</b>
jan 27th, 2009

absolutely right, you don't have any merit, dearie nirmala. you don't deserve it.

she has no other merit other than being a christist jerk, and a convert.

similarly, cedric prakash, the christist snake who manufactured the "2000 mohammedans killed in gujarat" hoax, has also been awarded some padma thing.

moral: if you are a good foot-soldier for the vatican and baptists, you are surely going to get padma awards from the government of sonia "vatican" nehru. eg. the staines female

forecast: in future, padma awards will go to:

a. km mani, kerala revenue minister for life under all kkkangress governments, for giving away huge tracts of forest and public land to christists. he will also be sainted by ratzy

b. john dayal, christist whiner and apologist

c. valson "allahad agricultural university phd in farmyard animal abuse" thampu, christist bigot and manipulator of useful idiots like that moron agnivesh.

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From: sri

We too wonder why. Another blatant case of minority appeasement under
Christian Sonia raj

<b>What did I get it for, asks Sister Nirmala</b>
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090126/nation.htm#16
[...]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>Comment:</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> 1 comments:

அருணகிரி said...

    Padmashree was awarded to actor Vivek from Tamil filmdom. This guy has made it his comedy-style to deride Hindu customs and Hindu Gods selectively, in the name of attacking superstition. In a typical Karunanidhi/ Dravidianist style, he carefully avoids teasing or poking fun at Abrahamic gods and cults and selects Hindus only to spew his ridicule on. This is what M.R.Radha and other yesteryear DK goons used to do in dramas and films. Btw street rumor has it that actor Vivek is a crypto-christian (there are many cc's in tamil filmdom).

    One real anecdote to expose this phony is note-worthy:

    In 2007, there was a fund-raiser to support Adayar Cancer Institute in SF Bay area. Actor Vivek was the center of attraction and he held the stage for ~3 hours. For all his on-screen anti-superstition avtar, throughout the three hours he carefully avoided uttering the word "cancer" and kept referring to the illness as "it", as if the very mention would make him contract it. At the end, the Institute's director and chief guest Dr. V. Shantha stood up and in front of the entire audience, openly chided him in her speech for his superstitious ignorance, showing everyone what a phony this guy really was.

    Such is the calibre of this "padmashree".

    Arunagiri
    1/28/2009 5:32 PM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/01/why...-deserving.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, January 27, 2009
<b>why give padma awards to deserving sportspeople? plenty of christist creeps to give them to</b>
jan 27th, 2009

there is john dayal, kancha ilaih, kanimozhi karunadhi's pal gaspar, john "vampire of cochin" thattunkal, kottoor, puthrukkayil, seffi, all who are ahead of some mere sportspeople in line for the padma awards.

actually, i am surprised there was nothing awarded to spectacular olympic loser anju bobby george.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Im...-Bindra/415761/
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 1/27/2009 10:18:00 PM

<b>1 comments:</b>

Ghatotkacha said...

    Sports minister M S Gill who chaperoned Abhinav Bindra around the Capital after he returned with his gold medal from Beijing Olympics, suggested that the champion call on Congress president Sonia Gandhi after meeting President Pratibha Patil and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
    Gill, worried that Bindra calling on Advani might be seen as his lapse, tried to suggest that while the "goldfinger" should call on Sonia, it was not necessary to visit Leader of Opposition L K Advani.
    Bindra had a mind of his own, a nationalist mind.
    Now you know the result, a vindictive one, NO REPUBLIC DAY AWARD.
    1/27/2009 10:57 PM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Bodhi]

rel to 46:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The author Arundhati Roy is a NIECE of Prannoy Roy. Her mother is a keralite syrian christian women's right's activist named Mary roy.

Suzanne Arundhati Roy, another Christian is his COUSIN.

Prannoy Roy's mother is not Indian, she is English.

Incidentally, the first name of the author Roy is "Suzanna". Hence maybe the confusion. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Husky]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Feb 4 2009, 11:02 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Feb 4 2009, 11:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->rel to 46:

<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The author Arundhati Roy is a NIECE of Prannoy Roy. Her mother is a keralite syrian christian women's right's activist named Mary roy.

Incidentally, the first name of the author Roy is "Suzanna". Hence maybe the confusion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]94256[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->So Suzann<b>a</b> Arundhati Roy (booker prize winner) is still daugher to Kerala Syrian christian Mary Roy, but she is the <i>niece</i> of Prannoy Roy. And then there's another related to him with practically the same name. Okay, I now see there's a valid reason I'm not allowed to get the last letter of her first name wrong.
I got her relation to Prannoy Roy wrong though (first cousin vs niece), as I read this in that hard-to-track-down Rediff article posted in #46. (If she's his <i>niece</i>, then the article should have said that she is his "first cousin once removed", shouldn't it? Because plain "first cousins" refer to direct cousins in the same generation. Then again, I don't really know English.)

Your source know anything on SandeepWeb's reference to Richard Crasta's book that Margaret is her other name, while 'Arundhati' is merely the pen name she employed when she wanted her 'gawdawful things' published?

Also, any reason they did not previously state explicitly that Suzanna was her first name and moreover said that she was not related to either Suzanne or Prannoy Roy? I refer to #45:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Feb 3 2009, 09:36 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Feb 3 2009, 09:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->someone on a list informed that the "Suzanne" Arundhati is different from the author-activist Arundhati.  While the former is a cousin of Prannoy Roy, the latter Arundhati the Booker Prize winner has no relation with the two.[right][snapback]94181[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<b>ADDED:</b> Here's a page explaining first cousins, and first cousins once removed, etcetera. From the table, I imagine my initial understanding of the meaning of 'first cousins' is right. But I may just as well be wrong, since I find reading such tables hard.
Wacky supports your source in confirming that that 'gawdawful thing' Suzanna is Prannoy's niece.

[Bodhi]

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Feb 5 2009, 04:20 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Feb 5 2009, 04:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->any reason they did not previously state explicitly that Suzanna was her first name[right][snapback]94288[/snapback][/right]
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Because all are not Husky-like <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Feb 5 2009, 04:20 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Feb 5 2009, 04:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->that she was not related to either Suzanne or Prannoy Roy? [right][snapback]94288[/snapback][/right]
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that was my misunderstood interpretation, since the matter is as straight as a sweet jilebee <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

But then we agree on the possibility of two christain Roys named like Hindus and in a similar way. out of all this, that is the new info to me . Is the non-author Roy known for something?

[Husky]

<b>CORRECTED LINK:</b>
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/02/how...-democracy.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>How the UPA devalues democracy</b>
feb 13th, 2009

why should this be surprising? what democracy? there is no democracy in india. the kkkangress is a royalist party, whose main pre-occupation is the continuance of the nehru dynasty.

<b>india must be the only christist/communist monarchy in the world.</b>

let's see, there are a clutch of christist monarchies, there are a bunch of mohammedan monarchies, the only hindu monarchy in the world, nepal, has been overthrown by the chinese, and there is one buddhist monarchy in thailand.

and, unbeknownst to all, india has become the only christist/communist monarchy in the world. the communists had better watch out, because the christists only think of them as 'useful idiots'.

<b>let us see: practising christist rulers include --</b>

vincent george
ambika soni
arvind sharma
arjun singh (via 'injection' from his wife)
a k antony
y samuel reddy

several others are crypto including --
naveen chawla

and fellow-travelers include --
m karunanidhi

<b>they don't need the communists at the moment (until the elections). but their monarchists include:</b>

fat bengali communist speaker (i can't remember the bugger's name but he will do everything possible to keep the monarchists in power)
sitaram yechuri
prakash karat


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From: ANAND

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/13gues...s-democracy.htm

<b>How the UPA devalues democracy</b>


M R Venkatesh | February 13, 2009 | 15:16 IST

In a remarkable string of coincidences over the past fortnight or so, the United Progressive Alliance government has successfully and repeatedly denigrated our democratic institutions. Naturally, if the silence of our intellectuals on this issue has left me intrigued, the response by the opposition parties to the same has left me completely flummoxed.

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<b>EDITED:</b> replaced with correct link to the Rajeev2004 blog for the containing article.

[Guest]

Folks, I got little busy. I will update the first post this weekend.

[shamu]

> News Corporation is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
> Fox Entertainment Group is a subsidiary of News Corporation.
> FEG owns Fox News Channel, in USA.

Add following too:
Fox News is a conservative, pro-church Republican Party channel in US
News Corporation owns the The Wall Street Journal

Malayalam daily, Mathrubhumi, is owned by M P Virendrakumar
Virendrakumar is a MP through Janata Dal (Secular), from Kerala
In Kerala, Deva Gowda's Janata Dal (Secular) party is a constituent of Left Democratic Front
Latest Editor of Mathrubhumi is Kesava Menon
Kesava Menon was the Associate Editor of The Hindu before taking up this position

(link http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news.php?id...&sub=14&subit=0 )

[Guest]

Added some info. pertaining to Kerala.

[Husky]

About the Anita Pratap mentioned here:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?P...249&SKIN=W
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muthu
<b>23/02/2009 05:50:23  Anita pratap .... all falls in line </b>
Anita Pratap married to the Norwegian diplomat . Yes all the above converted ones doing all this mess is very evident.
Haindava editors must investigate this.
Read this and one will know. One must investigate the role of Anita pratap, vis a vis Norway in Sri lanka.

http://tamilinsight.org/mydesk/blog/tamil-...y-anita-pratap/ <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In the above:
- The Norwegian connection has to do with how Norway has been funding the LTTE.
- The Norwegian government guy working with the LTTE was Eric Solheim - the one who disputed ex-LTTE Karuna Amman when the latter brought it out into the public about how Norway was in fact funding the LTTE. The Norwegians Against Terrorism (NAT) people found out Eric Solheim was the one who was lying and Karuna Amman's accusations were all true.
- In the last link given in the quoteblock above, this Anita Pratap waxes on and on about "Tamil Identity". I'd never heard of her, so I assumed she was Tamil. I was wrong.


Thought I'd look around a bit on who this Anita Pratap was. What I found was predictable and not unanticipated.


<b>Anita Pratap:</b>
- Indian, not Sri Lankan
- journalist. Started in Indian Express. Wrote for Sunday and India Today.
- at one point was a journalist for CNN (no longer) and Time too.
- writer for Outlook

<b>It gets more interesting:</b>
1. She's not Tamil, but from Kerala.
2. She's a Kerala Syrian christian catholic. Of course. Her name - before she married her first husband - is Anita Simon.
3. Her first husband was a Hindu and they had a son called Zubin (after the Parsee orchestra conductor???). They got on badly, divorced and she got custody over their son.
4. She met the Norwegian ambassador to India at some party (on Valentine's day, perchance?) and married him.
5. Guess who the best man at this christoterrorist wedding was? Yes, none other than buddy Eric Solheim.
6. Eric Solheim gifted Prabhakaran - christoterrorist and head of christoterrorist LTTE - a TV, because Solheim apparently knew that christian Prabhakaran was obsessed with watching TV. (Not my interpretation, see data further below.) Sounds like Solheim knew Prabhakaran well enough.
7. Anita Simon still keeps her Hindu ex-husband's surname. Crypto-christianism is important in a christoterrorist's line of work.
8. In 1984, back when her journalistic career was still starting off, Anita Simon became the first person to ever interview Prabhakaran and he became so fond of his christoterrorist link with the press, that he gave her many more interviews to tell his side of the story.
Note how it was in 1984, how she is a christian, how she was still starting up in the field and yet how she magically bagged an interview with a terrorist who hadn't been interviewed yet. It's a miracle! Yes. That must be what it is. Makes one wonder: was Prabhakaran already a (crypto) christian convert by 1984?
9. Deeply moved by the lifestory of the head of the christoLTTE, Anita Simon - like her fellow Kerala Syrian catholic christoterrorist Suzanna Margaret 'Arundhati' Roy - decided to write a book. Called Island of Blood. And yes, it would include her views on Sri Lanka.

So, here's the supporting data for the above.

A. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/2001102.../above.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Anita Pratap</b>
Her name would be known the world over to people who take interest in current events, read periodicals or watch TV. She’s been in the print and electronic media for over 20 years, in the forefront covering the <b>Afghan Civil War, the Naga rebellion, the Indo-Pak confrontation on the Siachen Glacier, LTTE’s battles against the Sri Lankan army</b> and much else. She has been <b>on the staff of The Indian Express, India Today, Time and CNN.</b> She has won more awards for journalism, national and international, than any Indian journalist. And she is very easy on the eye: tall and curvaceous.

<b>Anita (nee Simon) was born in Kottayam (Kerala) to Syrian Catholic parents.</b> Her father was an executive with Tatas and had postings in different cities. In 11 years Anita changed seven schools. She took her Senior Cambridge from Loreto, Calcutta, winning all the prizes and topping the list in English. She then joined Miranda House, Delhi. She was again the topper in English literature in BA honours which she passed in 1978. An academic career was wide open to her. Being a restless person, she opted for journalism and took a diploma from Bangalore University. <b>She was immediately taken on by Arun Shourie, then Editor of The Indian Express.</b> After a short stint in Delhi, she asked to be transferred to Bangalore where her parents were living. There she met <b>Pratap Chandran</b>, a senior reporter and married him. He was a Hindu, she a Christian but that posed no problems with parents on either side being Malayalees. Anita Simon became Anita Pratap. A year later their son Zubin was born.

The marriage soon went on the rocks. The divorce was fiercely contested over the custody of the child. Ultimately Anita won because Zubin meant more to her than any other person in the world. Having done all she wanted to do with journalism and reporting for TV channels, <b>Anita turned to making documentary films.</b> She would still have been making documentaries but for a chance <b>encounter with a stranger at a cocktail party at Maurya Sheraton.</b> She left the party early. So did the stranger. They exchanged greetings while waiting for their cars. "Why are you leaving early?" he asked. "I have to be with my son; he is waiting for me. And you?" He replied, "I too have a son at home waiting for me." They got talking. They had much in common: Both were divorcees with sons to look after. They decided to meet again.<b> He was H.E. Arne Walther, Norwegian Ambassador to India, and 15 years older than her. Anita agreed to marry him. Now she is Her Excellency Anita Walther.</b>

I asked her if she had at any time been close to death during her years as reporter. "Many times," she replied with a smile. "In Afghanistan with bombs falling a few feet from me. In Sri Lanka with bullets whizzing past my ear. But once I was in hunt for an authentic story, I lost all fear and went for it."
(She was quite safe: her christoterrorist brethren of the LTTE would have protected her.)

It occurred to me that quite a few Indian women journalists have shown more guts facing danger than their male counterparts: Tavleen Singh bearding Bhindranwale in his den, Pinki Virani cocking the snook at Bombay’s underworld dons, Barkha Dutt interviewing Pakistanis when tensions between the two countries were extremely high.

<b>Anita Pratap has recorded her adventures in Island of Blood: frontline reports from Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and other South Asian Flashpoints (Viking-Penguin).</b>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's a picture of her at the top of the page. Why is the christian terrorist wearing the <i>Hindu</i> sari? Scare warning: more pictures.


<b>Two things about the above article in TribuneIndia:</b>

1. Don't know why Arun Shourie helped her into journalism. "Why not encourage more christosubversion? Seemed like <i>such</i> a good idea at the time." There's still no undoing colossal mistakes even when they were made out of ignorance. Because the repercussions have been that she is now directly connected to Eric Solheim and the Norwegian govt's funding of LTTE, AND she is directly connected to christoterrorist Prabhakaran and his christoLTTE getting sympathy with her christian 'reporting' and her book. And she's been trying to influence "Tamil identity".

2. And what's with this description of her marrying her first husband: "He was a Hindu, she a Christian but that posed no problems with parents on either side being Malayalees." Huh? Since when do Malayalee Hindus randomly intermarry with christoterrorists just 'cause they happen to share the same geographical space?


B. Moving on.
http://www.kalaya.org/files/i021106.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Solheim who was the bestman at the wedding</b> of the Indian journalist <b>Anita Pratap, who was the first to interview the convicted murderer Prabhakaran</b>, to the former Norwegian ambassador in India should know his curry powder just as much Prabhakaran knows his gunpowder.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

C. NationMaster (via wackypedia) has the following to say on the page devoted to Prabhakaran. Note how it is very important to the cryptos (from the LTTE no doubt) who wrote the page that they do not mention Prabhakaran's christianism, which is a known fact, see further below. But you can tell they were cryptos who wrote the wacky page on him because they accuse Hindu Dharma of treating women badly and other missionary dawaganda etcetera.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Prabhakaran
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>It is widely known that Prabhakaran is a television addict and that Eric Solheim gifted him a 6 foot television set [11].</b> Erik Solheim (born January 18, 1955 in Oslo, Norway) is a Norwegian politician and the current Norwegian Minister of International Development and an international peace maker involved in resolving the current civil war in Sri Lanka. ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Copying and pasting the line about the TV has somehow inserted Erik Solheim's data in there as well. Useful.
BTW, really *great* way EriKKK has of going about resolving SL's civil war: by funding the christoterrorist outfit LTTE. After all, it's the *christian* way of 'resolving' conflict.

Same nationmaster link - check this out:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Sunday interview</b>
In <b>1984</b>, the Indian newsmagazine <b>Sunday</b> featured an interview with Prabhakaran in its March 11-17 issue. <b>The interviewer was Anita Pratap[12], then a rookie journalist covering the Sri Lanka conflict. Prabhakaran would later offer her many more interviews, allowing Pratap to bring him and his motivations to life. She documented her insights into the conflict in her book Island of Blood: Frontline Reports From Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Other South Asian Flashpoints (2001).</b>

Beyond the obvious publicity that followed, the cover photograph was the first picture of Prabhakaran that the Sri Lankan authorities had even seen.[2] Before the publication, authorities had been using a childhood picture found in a family album.[2]

Though <b>he does not give too many interviews,</b> some of his interviews point to his ideologies and also perspectives on various issues pertaining to Eelam and the struggle for independence.[citation needed]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Doesn't anyone else find all this miraculous?
1984 is significant because it indicates something about Prabhakaran at that point itself.


D. http://www.sandeepweb.com/2004/04/13/servi...-prataps-style/
<b>Servility, Anita Pratap’s Style</b>
April 13th, 2004

Read in full.
In it, Sandeepweb shows how Anita Simon ('Pratap') - writing for Outlook - was trying to push fellow-catholic Priyanka onto the Indian populace and is a big fan of the catholic Queen Sonia besides. <- I hope no one here had a massive attack from this terribly unexpected revelation.
Shows how yet another crypto christian terrorist is trying to implement the Vatican agenda. "But they're all really innocent." Sure they are.


E. As promised: support for the fact that Prabhakaran - head of LTTE - *is* a christian. Example - journalist Sandhya Jain (and Rajeev Srinivasan too) already knows he is:
http://www.peoplesreview.com.np/2006/200...il/c3.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Whispers from Kathmandu suggest that Prachanda, would-be President-King of the former Hindu kingdom, is a Christian. There is little reason to doubt these voices, as similar murmurings about LTTE supremo V Prabhakaran proved correct, and Sri Lanka's Tamil Hindus admit that the organisation does not serve their political, economic or cultural interests in any way. Its objective is to provide its covert Western backers a foothold in the region.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(By the way, Sandhya has since confirmed that Nepal's maoist Prachanda is a <i>christian</i> maoist, because she mentions it quite matter-of-factly in a later article.)


The christoterrorist Anita Simon, her Norwegian ambassador husband, the best man at their wedding Norwegian official Eric Solheim (who ensured his govt was funding the LTTE) and their friends the christoLTTE continue to meddle in Sri Lanka.

This is cryptochristianism: calculated behind-the-scenes destruction of Natural Traditions.

Meanwhile Anita Simon - a KERALA SYRIAN CHRISTIAN - talks about some "Tamil identity" (no mention of Hindu as being an inextricable essential in being Tamizh) at: http://tamilinsight.org/mydesk/blog/tamil-...y-anita-pratap/
Who is she when it comes to Tamizhs anyway? Hindus can speak for Tamizh people, Tamizh Hindus can speak for them. And christos imagine even christo Tamizhs can speak for them. But she is NONE of these things. Who IS she.


<b>ADDED:</b>
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/545294722.cms
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The island of Anita Pratap</b>
1 Oct 2001, 0248 hrs IST, Sanghita Singh, TNN 

she has moved like a nomad. in the middle of war, crisis and violence... seen children with mangled limbs and their distraught mothers... heard cries of excruciating pain... but gulped it down like a shot of bitter medicine. because anita pratap was busy putting up a brave front, delivering as a journalist, getting news and breaking stories. ‘‘i finally realised that i needed to let it all out. i have come at close quarters with some of the most horrific scenes of life as a war correspondent.’’ thus was born island of blood, anita’s first book, ‘‘a ventilation” she was “desperately seeking’’ which has collected itself through a career chart spanning stints with time magazine and cnn as delhi bureau chief. the emotions were so pent up that when the first reader of the manuscript david davidar (subsequently, the publisher of the book) called, anita was sobbing like a child. ‘‘david said over the phone... it’s brilliant! and i just broke down. through this book, i was actually unfolding part of my life that even my very near ones were not aware of. when zubin, my son read it, he was like ‘mum, you went through all that and i had no clue’. the aim of my book is to be able to humanise conflict, to be able to look at emotions and not simply intellectualise war and violence.’’ to be able to cherish the ordinary and see bounty in life’s little treasures is what anita has learnt through her experiences. ‘‘i have lived life according to my own diktats.’’ and this attitude has helped her realise the bigger picture of life. ‘‘i had zubin at the age of 22. within four years, my marriage broke down and i brought him up as a single parent. i waited till zubin was settled in college... and then, i knew i had to look at myself too. that is when i got married to arne walther.’’ as marital bliss settled in, anita prepared for her next baby looking through the window at the maple tree in blossom back in oslo, her husband’s —and her —new home. island of blood took root there. ‘‘the book has been in the offing since 1987. finally, i thought i had the peace to write it. i went to my parent’s place in kerala and that is where i completed it.’’ a chapter of her completed, anita is drifting into newer territories. a second book is already in the making. ‘‘i can never sit idle. i need to be moving to feel the real self.’’ a nomad no less even now. anita pratap knows how to jump from the island of her own self to reach out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Vraiment, c'est trop profond pour moi.


Guess I'll cross post the above into the christianism and/or Sri Lanka threads.

[Guest]

Thanks Husky. I will get her info on the front page.

I have been on the trail of one Reen T Samuel, she writes and photographs. Hey, nothing bad eh? But she does all this as the Communications Officer for WorldVision. Not much information on her connections are available.