I can't believe it. The little fraud:
indiafacts.co.in/hindutva-in-the-21st-century/
By NS Rajarant.
I didn't read it all. After noting the author, just scrolled down to the first comment and - because of it praising the article - looked for the word (a)paurusheya in the text since it was mentioned in the comment.
That was *my* line (of argument). Can't remember if I ever blabbed it publicly on IF - since defending Hindoo heathenism/traditional POV is like totally verboden among modern Hindus. But I long ago pointed some of my Hindoo friends and close relatives to old Elst articles and Elstians' comments on how the Vedas are not [to be considered] apaurusheya anymore (but that the Vedic Rishis "composed" the Vedas as poetry etc) as being the current/evolving state of modern "Hindu" views on our heathenism**, and asked my friends and relations what they thought of the situation/what their response was. When they couldn't formulate an answer fast enough (it was just a minor example I wanted to give of a much larger problem, so I wanted to move past it), I told them that all they needed to state as response to Elst/Elstian type arguments was to point to physics as an analogy: just like nobody invented the natural laws of physics - e.g. no one "invented" "gravity", as it has "always" existed (well, since shortly after the universe came to be) but its reality was merely discovered by humanity at various points X in time/history - likewise, the Vaidika Rishis - contrary to Elstian types' arguments - didn't "compose" the Vedas but were merely granted the vision ("intuition") of Vedic realities. Even compared formulae in physics - again as an analogy alone, not a literal equivalent - to Vedic mantras: just like the first captures the reality of some physical properties of the universe (or mathematical properties of a model of the universe), the latter are 'formulae' capturing truths/eternal verities also (but about the Hindoo Gods/Hindoo cosmology). The conclusion being that, in a manner rather like how the natural laws of physics were not man-made, the Vedas were not man-made either and this would be why ritualistic and other traditionalist Vaidika Hindoos continued to regard the Vedam as apauruSheya. (That the Vedam was true many seemed to have proved to themselves already.)
I told my friends and family members to simply state ^that^ to any who made fun of their adherence to the traditional view that the "Vedam is apaurusheya" in face of Elstian type arguments (you know, the latter voiced by the kind that pretend - laughably - that they are more rational or logical than Hindoos), and to then let the matter be, since it's the sort of open-ended counter argument that generally won't elicit a retort and is likely to leave heathen=traditionalist Hindus alone thereafter.
[** Also showed one relative the current state of alien theft of the Vedam/alien claim to ownership. There are alien dabblers in the Vedam who discuss among themselves in their online communities that Hindus have (increasingly) abandoned the view that the Vedam is apauruSheya [and the aliens quote examples of such Hindus from the net], but that they (the aforementioned aliens) are the only ones still remaining "true" (as in loyal) to that view of the Vedam being apauruSheya, and that "therefore" they are the true "inheritors" of the Vedam. Nonsense. First, many Hindus may relinquish traditional views, but that doesn't mean others have - the important people haven't. And more relevant to the actual argument is that even if there were to be no more Hindoos in the future - i.e. no ethnic Indians to hold this and related heathen views anymore on the Vedam - it *still* won't make the Vedam ever belong to the alien demons/become their inheritance by "default". It will only ever belong to ethnic Hindoos. Further, the dabbling aliens are famous for having abandoned even their own ancestral Gods/religion and for being unable to reacquire these: they seem to have been abandoned likewise by their Gods=religion, since why else are they dabbling in others' ancestral heathenism, nah? So they don't need to speak of disloyalty. They are the living embodiment of disloyalty.]
Anyway, the reason for this post is not that it is unsurprising that pro-heathen/pro-Hindoo persons (e.g.) should advocate such views in defence of traditional Hindus (heathens). Nor how laughably hypocritical it is for that virulent Veda-hater NS Rajarant to even dare to speak of the Vedam again, let alone to try and get into heathenism' good graces. (But as an aside: is the little hypocrite attempting to backpeddle on the Vedam? Never Allowed. Forever debarred. People have every right to consciously badmouth the vedam as he did. But need to accept that they are stuck permanently with that choice.)
But the first comment at the link was praising NSR's article and the other comments seemed positive too, so as usual, Indian Hindus applauding on the internet are such an amazingly - there must be a word - dense? indiscriminate? (that's not quite the word, maybe it's "useless"?) population. Don't they know that NS Rajarant spewed bile at the Vedam and badly wanted to ensure that the continuity of its tradition was terminated? <- So did his approving readership know that and then forgive him merely for suddenly and illegally attempting to u-turn on his position on the Vedam (forbidden to him, btw)?
Bij Donar. No wonder modern "Hindus" are easily run over by every enemy, when they can't draw a single line and stick to it.
Alternatively they simply didn't know that Rajarant had been venomously ranting against the Vedam. Convenient excuse that would be.
No matter. The Vedam including the Vedaanta is forever off-limits to NSR, it's a mutual non-amicable split/separation. (He did it to himself.) But I wonder if others can/do get tainted by willing association with the likes of him?
And what a dissembler he is, pretending to his indiafacts readers that he is suddenly a proponent/supporter of the Vedam. That he is a champion of the Vaidika tradition. Two-faced schemer. He probably wants to pretend that he is still representative of Sita Ram Goel by reinventing himself as a champion of heathenism. He's not just an unheathen, he is an anti-heathen. By his own - very aggressive, very consciously uttered, very determined - words. He knew *exactly* what he was saying when he screeched at the Vedam, and that is the real him. Not this impostor he playacts to get an increasingly undiscerning Hindu crowd to fawn all over him and elevate him to the position of someone who represents Hindus.
I don't know who is more disgusting: Rajarant (and other annoyances of the same class) or the growing masses of modern Hindus who place these persons on a pedestal and crown them spokespersons for heathenism, even experts. :walg:
It's probably true what they say: there's no cure for stupidity. And that may explain the predicament of heathenism: heathens being stuck with stupid people who bring everything down.
ADDED: Another example of NS Rajarant's true attitude to the Vedam is at
vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2970
Reference is to the comments section, where Rajarant once more made snide remarks against the Vedas. Another commenter, Senthil, recognised Rajarant's hatred of the Vedam clearly, and Senthil (alone among all the commenters, IIRC) stood up to defend The Dharma/Vedas from the oily Rajarant.
On the vijayvaani page, see comments section, Rajarant derides (chanting of) Vedic mantras. Forgot to mention that in his recent indiafacts article, Rajarant now pretends to champion the Gayatri mantram. Next he'll pretend he has a claim to it, despite repeatedly hissing hysterically at the Vedam. [Rajarant even playacted that the mantram has something to do with 'freethought' IIRC, tomorrow he'll be teaching the vedamantram that he imagines is the "gayatri" to his christian audience at that Unitarian church - or whichever American church he lectures his pseudo "Vedanta" at.]
Am still not over the fact that NSR's "Hindu" audience (english-speaking kind of course) think NS Rant is swell, let alone them deluding themselves that he's actually a positive presence or even an asset, rather than yet another noose. Had Doniger or Witzel made the same remarks against the Vedam=Vedic rituals as NSR has made at several nationalist sites, the same "Hindu" audience would have held these statements against them.
indiafacts.co.in/hindutva-in-the-21st-century/
By NS Rajarant.
I didn't read it all. After noting the author, just scrolled down to the first comment and - because of it praising the article - looked for the word (a)paurusheya in the text since it was mentioned in the comment.
That was *my* line (of argument). Can't remember if I ever blabbed it publicly on IF - since defending Hindoo heathenism/traditional POV is like totally verboden among modern Hindus. But I long ago pointed some of my Hindoo friends and close relatives to old Elst articles and Elstians' comments on how the Vedas are not [to be considered] apaurusheya anymore (but that the Vedic Rishis "composed" the Vedas as poetry etc) as being the current/evolving state of modern "Hindu" views on our heathenism**, and asked my friends and relations what they thought of the situation/what their response was. When they couldn't formulate an answer fast enough (it was just a minor example I wanted to give of a much larger problem, so I wanted to move past it), I told them that all they needed to state as response to Elst/Elstian type arguments was to point to physics as an analogy: just like nobody invented the natural laws of physics - e.g. no one "invented" "gravity", as it has "always" existed (well, since shortly after the universe came to be) but its reality was merely discovered by humanity at various points X in time/history - likewise, the Vaidika Rishis - contrary to Elstian types' arguments - didn't "compose" the Vedas but were merely granted the vision ("intuition") of Vedic realities. Even compared formulae in physics - again as an analogy alone, not a literal equivalent - to Vedic mantras: just like the first captures the reality of some physical properties of the universe (or mathematical properties of a model of the universe), the latter are 'formulae' capturing truths/eternal verities also (but about the Hindoo Gods/Hindoo cosmology). The conclusion being that, in a manner rather like how the natural laws of physics were not man-made, the Vedas were not man-made either and this would be why ritualistic and other traditionalist Vaidika Hindoos continued to regard the Vedam as apauruSheya. (That the Vedam was true many seemed to have proved to themselves already.)
I told my friends and family members to simply state ^that^ to any who made fun of their adherence to the traditional view that the "Vedam is apaurusheya" in face of Elstian type arguments (you know, the latter voiced by the kind that pretend - laughably - that they are more rational or logical than Hindoos), and to then let the matter be, since it's the sort of open-ended counter argument that generally won't elicit a retort and is likely to leave heathen=traditionalist Hindus alone thereafter.
[** Also showed one relative the current state of alien theft of the Vedam/alien claim to ownership. There are alien dabblers in the Vedam who discuss among themselves in their online communities that Hindus have (increasingly) abandoned the view that the Vedam is apauruSheya [and the aliens quote examples of such Hindus from the net], but that they (the aforementioned aliens) are the only ones still remaining "true" (as in loyal) to that view of the Vedam being apauruSheya, and that "therefore" they are the true "inheritors" of the Vedam. Nonsense. First, many Hindus may relinquish traditional views, but that doesn't mean others have - the important people haven't. And more relevant to the actual argument is that even if there were to be no more Hindoos in the future - i.e. no ethnic Indians to hold this and related heathen views anymore on the Vedam - it *still* won't make the Vedam ever belong to the alien demons/become their inheritance by "default". It will only ever belong to ethnic Hindoos. Further, the dabbling aliens are famous for having abandoned even their own ancestral Gods/religion and for being unable to reacquire these: they seem to have been abandoned likewise by their Gods=religion, since why else are they dabbling in others' ancestral heathenism, nah? So they don't need to speak of disloyalty. They are the living embodiment of disloyalty.]
Anyway, the reason for this post is not that it is unsurprising that pro-heathen/pro-Hindoo persons (e.g.) should advocate such views in defence of traditional Hindus (heathens). Nor how laughably hypocritical it is for that virulent Veda-hater NS Rajarant to even dare to speak of the Vedam again, let alone to try and get into heathenism' good graces. (But as an aside: is the little hypocrite attempting to backpeddle on the Vedam? Never Allowed. Forever debarred. People have every right to consciously badmouth the vedam as he did. But need to accept that they are stuck permanently with that choice.)
But the first comment at the link was praising NSR's article and the other comments seemed positive too, so as usual, Indian Hindus applauding on the internet are such an amazingly - there must be a word - dense? indiscriminate? (that's not quite the word, maybe it's "useless"?) population. Don't they know that NS Rajarant spewed bile at the Vedam and badly wanted to ensure that the continuity of its tradition was terminated? <- So did his approving readership know that and then forgive him merely for suddenly and illegally attempting to u-turn on his position on the Vedam (forbidden to him, btw)?
Bij Donar. No wonder modern "Hindus" are easily run over by every enemy, when they can't draw a single line and stick to it.
Alternatively they simply didn't know that Rajarant had been venomously ranting against the Vedam. Convenient excuse that would be.
No matter. The Vedam including the Vedaanta is forever off-limits to NSR, it's a mutual non-amicable split/separation. (He did it to himself.) But I wonder if others can/do get tainted by willing association with the likes of him?
And what a dissembler he is, pretending to his indiafacts readers that he is suddenly a proponent/supporter of the Vedam. That he is a champion of the Vaidika tradition. Two-faced schemer. He probably wants to pretend that he is still representative of Sita Ram Goel by reinventing himself as a champion of heathenism. He's not just an unheathen, he is an anti-heathen. By his own - very aggressive, very consciously uttered, very determined - words. He knew *exactly* what he was saying when he screeched at the Vedam, and that is the real him. Not this impostor he playacts to get an increasingly undiscerning Hindu crowd to fawn all over him and elevate him to the position of someone who represents Hindus.
I don't know who is more disgusting: Rajarant (and other annoyances of the same class) or the growing masses of modern Hindus who place these persons on a pedestal and crown them spokespersons for heathenism, even experts. :walg:
It's probably true what they say: there's no cure for stupidity. And that may explain the predicament of heathenism: heathens being stuck with stupid people who bring everything down.
ADDED: Another example of NS Rajarant's true attitude to the Vedam is at
vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2970
Reference is to the comments section, where Rajarant once more made snide remarks against the Vedas. Another commenter, Senthil, recognised Rajarant's hatred of the Vedam clearly, and Senthil (alone among all the commenters, IIRC) stood up to defend The Dharma/Vedas from the oily Rajarant.
On the vijayvaani page, see comments section, Rajarant derides (chanting of) Vedic mantras. Forgot to mention that in his recent indiafacts article, Rajarant now pretends to champion the Gayatri mantram. Next he'll pretend he has a claim to it, despite repeatedly hissing hysterically at the Vedam. [Rajarant even playacted that the mantram has something to do with 'freethought' IIRC, tomorrow he'll be teaching the vedamantram that he imagines is the "gayatri" to his christian audience at that Unitarian church - or whichever American church he lectures his pseudo "Vedanta" at.]
Am still not over the fact that NSR's "Hindu" audience (english-speaking kind of course) think NS Rant is swell, let alone them deluding themselves that he's actually a positive presence or even an asset, rather than yet another noose. Had Doniger or Witzel made the same remarks against the Vedam=Vedic rituals as NSR has made at several nationalist sites, the same "Hindu" audience would have held these statements against them.