Post 2/3
This link from the discussion in the first part of the previous post is scary in its own right:
lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2014-August/037336.html
MUST READ. But not for the apparent reasons.
It is written by one 'Vidyasankar Sundaresan', who seems unable to conceal some degree of interest in pursuing a western infiltration of the untainted, pristine Hindoo tradition, I mean interest interested in pursuing Indo-western syncretism / composite culture of "Indic studies". Where more Hindus can share with their western masters how to murder heathenism better. (That's what it comes down to.) And all to satisfy their own fantasies on what may be, but never shall be.
Searching the web on the name of that easy-entry point to poisoning the well, "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" and some rather interesting things pop up. (He does not seem to be the mole CEO of the Matham mentioned in NikhilD's tweet, so he must be yet another conducive opening)
1. Vidyashankar's been writing on a lot more than advaita vedanta:
So he alleges that the Kanchi paramacharya is a liar (that's what fabricated ultimately means right: either that the Kanchi Swami was self-deluded into the fabrication or a conscious liar). Among the issues he finds are that Kanchi Matham holds the Adi Shankaracharya to have lived in the 6th-5th century BCE, which apparently is impossible to Vidyasankar.
To give a contrary viewpoint:
trueindianhistory-kvchelam.blogspot.in/2009/04/age-of-sri-adi-sankaracharya.html *
shows that one Hindu scholar from Andhra or Karnataka (?) seems to find some evidence from several sources for a circa 5th century BCE date for the said Shankara Bhagavadpada. The comments at that link are VERY interesting.
[* Credits:
- Site first found via a mention of a name at indiafacts.co.in/a-brief-political-biography-of-bharata-an-infographic/
- but the particular page was found later, serendipitously, when perusing the link mentioned at http://indiafacts.co.in/kalidasa-histori...and-works/]
2. The following link explains Vidyashankar's eagerness in having the Matham he is 'loosely associated with' pursue closer relations with western "Indic studies/indology" (Hinduism mangling): he's clearly already deeply into it, and thinks "this is da future" (you know, the way lots of modern Vedantins esp Advaitins insist that we must turn heathenism into a mere science, since that is how the west is poaching on our heathenism without any crediting) -
http:// indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
The Jyotirma?ha Sa?karacarya Lineage in the 20th Century
Vidyasa?kar Sundaresan
Where Vidyashankar once more throws himself into a controversial fray (this time writing a paper used as a resource for Indology): that of the succession at the Jyotirmatha.
And just in case people thought this was some benign Indian indology (though there's no such thing), here's the contact info for the site at the bottom of the page:
[Publisher & contact for INDOLOGY site: Dominik WUJASTYK]
Last time I came across that name... but never mind that.
The 2nd to last time I saw that (Polish is it?) name of Dominik Wujastyk was when it was [b]IIRC mentioned as being a co-signatory to some anti-Hindu campaign,[/b] of which other such esteemed indologicals like WitSSel were part.
So, Vidyashankar writes for 1. indology resources that are 2. collected by Dominik Wujastyk. How sweet that is.
Then, if Vidyashankar is to any degree in favour of an... association of the Shringeri Matham with western academe on indology/Indic studies, can already see what directions he will veer to were he to have any influence.
3. And Vidyashankar has written two papers for philosophy journals (western academics, of course). For journals "Philosophy East and West" and - get this - the "International Journal of Hindu Studies". Oh the achievement! Wonder if Doniger and Witzel writes for that last too?* 'Cause it sounds like it must be where all such ..."experts" gather.
- philpapers.org/rec/VIDWDS
- philpapers.org/rec/SUNCHA
Oh wait, Doniger and WitSSel do write for it!*
Such company for Vidyashankar to keep (and for him to want the Shringeri Matham to pour the knowledge of Hindoos into the suction of this black hole which will then regurgitate it in mangled form to choke Hindoos with).
* Google this: Doniger site:philpapers.org
Repeat with: "Michael Witzel" site:philpapers.org
Some search results:
(Perhaps better to search for Witzel and not Michael Witzel since first names may not show up in the refs as often, can be abbreviated to its initial after all.)
And the search results for Doniger over the philpapers.org site:
Apparently that's the sort of future (of association) Vidyashankar envisions for the Shringeri Matham too.
4. The Web search on Vidyashankar's full name even has pictures (incl what looked like screenshots of video lectures on "advaita"?) of what is allegedly him. No veeboothi anywhere. Yet other than the rarer Vaishnava Advaitins who bear naamas, I've NEVER seen a follower of the Shankara Matham (or any advaita of the Shankara school) not wear veeboothi markings on their face. And usually, they're smeared in veeboothi like tigers that have rolled about the good earth. This is as true for Hindoos associated with the Shringeri matham as those associated with the Kanchi matham, btw. Not sure how it is with other Shankaracharya mathas. (Probably similar, but I don't know this for a fact.)
Here:
advaita-academy.org/Pages/SingleYoutubeTalk.aspx?ContentId=145
How does that even look like a Hindoo?
(Or must I "keep up with the flow" and relent to the onslaught of "progressiveness". Wearing veeboothi if you belong to the southern Shankara Mathas may be considered 'regressive' by progressives for whom online video lectures are the standards to measure this by.)
Is this page a preview of what the cooperation intended btw Shringeri Matham and Western Indology is to look like:
advaita-academy.org/Pages/TeachersView.aspx
Photos of genuine acharyas mixed with photos of aliens?
Never mind, there's no cure for this.
The rot's gone deep already. And in the manner described at the top of this post: it's the weaker part of the encompassing membrane that has let aliens and eventually indology in. Here, Vidyashankar has known links to indology resource sites and "Hinduism studies" journals - ones that Dominic Wujastyk and Doniger and Witzel are part of. And other the other hand, they are part of a site that not only has pictures of alien women under "teachers" (one is called "Dhyana") but has interspersed pictures of legitimate established Hindoo acharyas among them. Certainly makes it look more authentic and like an endorsement of the more uh dubious parts.
But whatever people do, do NOT play 6 degrees of separation. Not only because the degree of separation now between Hindoo Shankaracharya mathas and Hindu-baiters like Wujastyk/Doniger/Witzel is 2, with Vidyashankar (for example) as the middle-man.
Any contract signed with Pollock would just cut out the middle-man, no?
Like I said: HindOOs should cut out/cut off the gangrene instead. They WILL kill you. And probably sooner than Hindoos can guess.
And the British "Advaita Vision" site is a little similar, where Vidyasankar seems to be listed among the teachers:
advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/creation_vidyasankar.htm
advaita.org.uk/about.htm
Fineprint at bottom: "Site owned and maintained by Dennis Waite."
But of course. Expect more poaching to come.
And again, another "Teachers" page:
advaita.org.uk/teachers/teachers.htm
Photo caption: "* Copied from ââ¬ËPujya Swami Dayananda Saraswatiââ¬â¢ by D. Venugopal"
This Teachers page is all about "lineages" including "western lineages". Soon alien demons may claim authentic, valid acharya status thanks to such contacts with legitimate lines of established mathas.
And perhaps that is one of the reasons of Pollock & co to attempt an "association" with the Shringeri Matham: to generate an army of aliens claiming "authentic" acharya statu to subvert Hindoo heathens all the better. And divide loyalties. Consider how Swarajya's repeatedly featured Rambachan is a stooge for western christian academics and how even such characters have created divided loyalty among Indians. How much more can be achieved with not just indologists like Elst asserting their "Hinduism" while generating subversive unheathen anti-heathen nonsense, but people infiltrators claiming they are of a "valid" lineage. At present contacts between the western anti-Hindu world and new-ageists and legitimate tradition of Mathas has been facilitated or encouraged or even subtly endorsed by middle-men (incl. Vidyashankar) acting as go-betweens. Pollock & co's vision may cut out the go-betweens and claim direct descent.
So Hindoos need to cut out/cut off the gangrene go-betweens who seek to bridge this final gap.
After all, the western demons - from converts to new-ageists to indologicals to Vedic dabblers - have all sought authority and access to authentic tradition. And each then acts to subvert Hindoos and their heathenism differently. But all are subversionists.
Continued in next.
This link from the discussion in the first part of the previous post is scary in its own right:
lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2014-August/037336.html
MUST READ. But not for the apparent reasons.
It is written by one 'Vidyasankar Sundaresan', who seems unable to conceal some degree of interest in pursuing a western infiltration of the untainted, pristine Hindoo tradition, I mean interest interested in pursuing Indo-western syncretism / composite culture of "Indic studies". Where more Hindus can share with their western masters how to murder heathenism better. (That's what it comes down to.) And all to satisfy their own fantasies on what may be, but never shall be.
Searching the web on the name of that easy-entry point to poisoning the well, "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" and some rather interesting things pop up. (He does not seem to be the mole CEO of the Matham mentioned in NikhilD's tweet, so he must be yet another conducive opening)
1. Vidyashankar's been writing on a lot more than advaita vedanta:
Quote:Real history of the Kanchi math (Re: Former President ...
www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/alt_hindu_msg.html
Vidyasankar Sundaresan writes about the history of the matha, alleging that much of it was fabricated by Chandrasekharendra Saraswati in the last century, ...
So he alleges that the Kanchi paramacharya is a liar (that's what fabricated ultimately means right: either that the Kanchi Swami was self-deluded into the fabrication or a conscious liar). Among the issues he finds are that Kanchi Matham holds the Adi Shankaracharya to have lived in the 6th-5th century BCE, which apparently is impossible to Vidyasankar.
To give a contrary viewpoint:
trueindianhistory-kvchelam.blogspot.in/2009/04/age-of-sri-adi-sankaracharya.html *
shows that one Hindu scholar from Andhra or Karnataka (?) seems to find some evidence from several sources for a circa 5th century BCE date for the said Shankara Bhagavadpada. The comments at that link are VERY interesting.
[* Credits:
- Site first found via a mention of a name at indiafacts.co.in/a-brief-political-biography-of-bharata-an-infographic/
- but the particular page was found later, serendipitously, when perusing the link mentioned at http://indiafacts.co.in/kalidasa-histori...and-works/]
2. The following link explains Vidyashankar's eagerness in having the Matham he is 'loosely associated with' pursue closer relations with western "Indic studies/indology" (Hinduism mangling): he's clearly already deeply into it, and thinks "this is da future" (you know, the way lots of modern Vedantins esp Advaitins insist that we must turn heathenism into a mere science, since that is how the west is poaching on our heathenism without any crediting) -
http:// indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
The Jyotirma?ha Sa?karacarya Lineage in the 20th Century
Vidyasa?kar Sundaresan
Where Vidyashankar once more throws himself into a controversial fray (this time writing a paper used as a resource for Indology): that of the succession at the Jyotirmatha.
And just in case people thought this was some benign Indian indology (though there's no such thing), here's the contact info for the site at the bottom of the page:
[Publisher & contact for INDOLOGY site: Dominik WUJASTYK]
Last time I came across that name... but never mind that.
The 2nd to last time I saw that (Polish is it?) name of Dominik Wujastyk was when it was [b]IIRC mentioned as being a co-signatory to some anti-Hindu campaign,[/b] of which other such esteemed indologicals like WitSSel were part.
So, Vidyashankar writes for 1. indology resources that are 2. collected by Dominik Wujastyk. How sweet that is.
Then, if Vidyashankar is to any degree in favour of an... association of the Shringeri Matham with western academe on indology/Indic studies, can already see what directions he will veer to were he to have any influence.
3. And Vidyashankar has written two papers for philosophy journals (western academics, of course). For journals "Philosophy East and West" and - get this - the "International Journal of Hindu Studies". Oh the achievement! Wonder if Doniger and Witzel writes for that last too?* 'Cause it sounds like it must be where all such ..."experts" gather.
- philpapers.org/rec/VIDWDS
- philpapers.org/rec/SUNCHA
Oh wait, Doniger and WitSSel do write for it!*
Such company for Vidyashankar to keep (and for him to want the Shringeri Matham to pour the knowledge of Hindoos into the suction of this black hole which will then regurgitate it in mangled form to choke Hindoos with).
* Google this: Doniger site:philpapers.org
Repeat with: "Michael Witzel" site:philpapers.org
Some search results:
Quote:Michael Witzel, Toward a History of the Brahmins - PhilPapers
philpapers.org/rec/WITTAH-2
by M Witzel - ?Cited by 7 - ?Related articles
Gabriel Kolko (1967). Brahmins and Business, 1870-1914: A Hypothesis on the Social Basis of Success in American History. In Herbert Marcuse, Kurt H. Wolff ...
Michael Witzel, Macrocosm, mesocosm, and microcosm ...
philpapers.org/rec/WITMMA
by M Witzel - ?1997 - ?Cited by 12 - ?Related articles
John Wilkins ÷ Other editors ÷ Contact us ÷ Learn more about PhilPapers ÷ Michael Witzel ÷ International Journal of Hindu Studies 1 (3):501-539 (1997) ...
Whitley R. P. Kaufman, E.J. Michael Witzel, The Origins of ...
philpapers.org/rec/KAUEMW
by WRP Kaufman - ?2013
Nov 22, 2013 - E.J. Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies. New York: Oxford University Press, 2013, 688 pp. ISBN: 9780199812851 [Book ...
(Perhaps better to search for Witzel and not Michael Witzel since first names may not show up in the refs as often, can be abbreviated to its initial after all.)
And the search results for Doniger over the philpapers.org site:
Quote:About 623 results (but remember to look only for Wendy, though the first page seems to be full of only her
Search Results
Wendy Doniger, Introduction II : life and art, or politics and ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONII
by W Doniger - ?2010
In Christian K. Wedemeyer & Wendy Doniger (eds.), Hermeneutics, Politics, and the History of Religions: The Contested Legacies of Joachim Wach and Mircea ...
W. Doniger, Bisexuality in the Mythology of Ancient India ...
philpapers.org/rec/WDOBIT
by W Doniger - ?2005 - ?Related articles
Hindu texts call into question our own gender conceptions; they tell us that desire for bisexual pleasure and the wish to belong to both sexes at the same time ...
Of Yoginis and Tantriksters: Doniger on White's Tantric Sex
philpapers.org/rec/BAPOYA
by J Bapat - ?2004
Of yoginis and tantriksters: Doniger on white's tantric sex ââ¬âreflections in the south asian context. Maintained and operated by ...
Wendy Doniger, The Mythology of the Face-lift - PhilPapers
philpapers.org/rec/DONTMO-8
by W Doniger - ?2000 - ?Cited by 2 - ?Related articles
Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty. Asceticism and Eroticism in the Mythology of Siva. Pp. Xiv + 386. (Oxford University Press, 1973.) ã8. [REVIEW] Religious Studies 11 ...
Wendy Doniger, God's Body, or, The Lingam Made Flesh ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONGBO
by W Doniger - ?2011 - ?Related articles
A dispute about the symbolism of the lingam, a cylindrical votary object that represents the Hindu god Shiva, has been going on for many centuries: is its ...
Wendy Doniger, The mythology of masquerading animals ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONTMO-9
by W Doniger - ?Cited by 9 - ?Related articles
Wendy Doniger (2004). The Mythology of Masquerading Animals, or, Bestial Myths: Religious Constructions of Relationships Between Humans and Animals.
Wendy Doniger, The symbolism of Black and White babies ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONTSO-11
by W Doniger - ?2003 - ?Cited by 3 - ?Related articles
An ancient and enduring cross-cultural mythology explores what the texts generally perceive as a paradox: the birth of white offspring to black parents, or black ...
Wendy Doniger, review at William Dalrymple, Nine Lives. In ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONRAW
by W Doniger - ?2011
John Wilkins ÷ Other editors ÷ Contact us ÷ Learn more about PhilPapers ÷ Wendy Doniger ÷ International Journal on Humanistic Ideology 1:143-151 (2011) ...
Christian K. Wedemeyer & Wendy Doniger (eds ...
philpapers.org/rec/WEDHPA
by CK Wedemeyer - ?2010 - ?Cited by 10 - ?Related articles
Wendy Doniger, Introduction II : Life and Art, or Politics and Religion, in the Writings of Mircea Eliade. Daniel Dubuisson, The Poetical and Rhetorical Structure of ...
Wendy Doniger, On Translating the Kamasutra: A ...
philpapers.org/rec/DONOTT-2
by W Doniger - ?2001 - ?Cited by 1 - ?Related articles
Clive Scott (2012). Translating the Perception of Text: Literary Translation and Phenomenology. Legenda, Modern Humanities Research Association and Maney ...
Apparently that's the sort of future (of association) Vidyashankar envisions for the Shringeri Matham too.
4. The Web search on Vidyashankar's full name even has pictures (incl what looked like screenshots of video lectures on "advaita"?) of what is allegedly him. No veeboothi anywhere. Yet other than the rarer Vaishnava Advaitins who bear naamas, I've NEVER seen a follower of the Shankara Matham (or any advaita of the Shankara school) not wear veeboothi markings on their face. And usually, they're smeared in veeboothi like tigers that have rolled about the good earth. This is as true for Hindoos associated with the Shringeri matham as those associated with the Kanchi matham, btw. Not sure how it is with other Shankaracharya mathas. (Probably similar, but I don't know this for a fact.)
Here:
advaita-academy.org/Pages/SingleYoutubeTalk.aspx?ContentId=145
How does that even look like a Hindoo?
(Or must I "keep up with the flow" and relent to the onslaught of "progressiveness". Wearing veeboothi if you belong to the southern Shankara Mathas may be considered 'regressive' by progressives for whom online video lectures are the standards to measure this by.)
Is this page a preview of what the cooperation intended btw Shringeri Matham and Western Indology is to look like:
advaita-academy.org/Pages/TeachersView.aspx
Photos of genuine acharyas mixed with photos of aliens?
Never mind, there's no cure for this.
The rot's gone deep already. And in the manner described at the top of this post: it's the weaker part of the encompassing membrane that has let aliens and eventually indology in. Here, Vidyashankar has known links to indology resource sites and "Hinduism studies" journals - ones that Dominic Wujastyk and Doniger and Witzel are part of. And other the other hand, they are part of a site that not only has pictures of alien women under "teachers" (one is called "Dhyana") but has interspersed pictures of legitimate established Hindoo acharyas among them. Certainly makes it look more authentic and like an endorsement of the more uh dubious parts.
But whatever people do, do NOT play 6 degrees of separation. Not only because the degree of separation now between Hindoo Shankaracharya mathas and Hindu-baiters like Wujastyk/Doniger/Witzel is 2, with Vidyashankar (for example) as the middle-man.
Any contract signed with Pollock would just cut out the middle-man, no?
Like I said: HindOOs should cut out/cut off the gangrene instead. They WILL kill you. And probably sooner than Hindoos can guess.
And the British "Advaita Vision" site is a little similar, where Vidyasankar seems to be listed among the teachers:
advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/creation_vidyasankar.htm
advaita.org.uk/about.htm
Fineprint at bottom: "Site owned and maintained by Dennis Waite."
But of course. Expect more poaching to come.
And again, another "Teachers" page:
advaita.org.uk/teachers/teachers.htm
Photo caption: "* Copied from ââ¬ËPujya Swami Dayananda Saraswatiââ¬â¢ by D. Venugopal"
This Teachers page is all about "lineages" including "western lineages". Soon alien demons may claim authentic, valid acharya status thanks to such contacts with legitimate lines of established mathas.
And perhaps that is one of the reasons of Pollock & co to attempt an "association" with the Shringeri Matham: to generate an army of aliens claiming "authentic" acharya statu to subvert Hindoo heathens all the better. And divide loyalties. Consider how Swarajya's repeatedly featured Rambachan is a stooge for western christian academics and how even such characters have created divided loyalty among Indians. How much more can be achieved with not just indologists like Elst asserting their "Hinduism" while generating subversive unheathen anti-heathen nonsense, but people infiltrators claiming they are of a "valid" lineage. At present contacts between the western anti-Hindu world and new-ageists and legitimate tradition of Mathas has been facilitated or encouraged or even subtly endorsed by middle-men (incl. Vidyashankar) acting as go-betweens. Pollock & co's vision may cut out the go-betweens and claim direct descent.
So Hindoos need to cut out/cut off the gangrene go-betweens who seek to bridge this final gap.
After all, the western demons - from converts to new-ageists to indologicals to Vedic dabblers - have all sought authority and access to authentic tradition. And each then acts to subvert Hindoos and their heathenism differently. But all are subversionists.
Continued in next.