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Secularism Hall Of Shame
I think it needs a thread to collect all about the facade called secularism in India.

Here to start with the latest hilarious mail from SABHA:

SABHA - 4M Report Arvind Kumar, 30 Dec 2008

<b>Hemant Karkare nominates himself for the Darwin Award </b>

Hemant Karkare of the Anti Terrorism Squad must surely rank as the front runner for winning the Darwin Award. Wikipedia quotes Wendy Northcutt, author of Darwin Award books, and explains the awards.

"The Awards honor people who ensure the long-term survival of the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool in a sublimely idiotic fashion."

Karkare ignored terrorists and instead came up with an elaborate conspiracy theory according to which a former Governor of Jammu and Kashmir Lt. Gen. SK Sinha, Art of Living Foundation, the Indian Army, Praveen Togadia of VHP, some members of parliament and many others were involved in one grand conspiracy to terrorize innocent Muslims. Intelligence reports about the terrorist strike in Mumbai were received in advance but Karkare's squad did nothing about it.
When Karkare finally faced real terrorists, he lasted less than 90 seconds. Apparently, he was clumsy at handling his helmet and he rushed in to meet the real terrorists ensuring that he removed himself from the human gene pool. The terrorists then took his jeep and used it to carry out more acts of terror.

Karkare also leaked operational information to members of the public. Click here to read about how he leaked information to one Julio Ribeiro, a member of the public.

<b>SABHA Moron of the Month award </b>

Self-nomination for the Darwin Award automatically ensures that one gets SABHA's Moron of the Month Award. So Hemant Karkare gets this award as well.

<b>Hindu Zionists and Mossad behind Mumbai terror attacks! </b>

Leading intellectuals from Baltistan and Waziristan and experts from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have cracked the Mumbai terror case.
A Pakistani TV station has claimed "Hindu Zionists" and the Mossad carried out the Mumbai terrorist attacks, which it said were a "botched" imitation of the 9/11 attacks on the United States.
Hamid said that it was a "badly planned" operation that had gone horribly wrong. "The Americans executed the 9/11 attack perfectly. They managed the media very well. The Indians tried to repeat the formula but goofed up. The idiots made a complete mess of it," he argued.

<b>Pakistani claims Hindu Zionist is his son </b>

A Pakistani man claimed that the Hindu Zionist who was captured alive during the Mumbai terror attack is his son.

A man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.

<b>Nepal's Maoists to be given degrees for their "skills" </b>

Nepal Maoist combatants, who were involved in a decade-long insurgency in the country, are set to be rewarded with academic degrees by the ultra left Government in 'recognition' of their ‘skills’ and sacrifice. Nepal's Finance Minister Bhattarai said on Thursday that preparations are underway to distribute academic certificates to the individuals who could not pursue their education due to their involvement in the civil war.

"Our friends abandoned study and got involved in the revolution (armed conflict). Whatever skill and knowledge they earned, they must receive recognition," he said. Bhattarai, the second in command of the CPN (Maoist) party which leads the coalition Government in Nepal, said the people 'who could not receive formal education due to financial problem and other reasons but possess sufficient skill and knowledge' must also be provided with degree.

"We are of the opinion that their skill and knowledge must be changed into academic degree and distributed through an open university," he added.
Nepal is now expected to attract a number of international students from Pakistan who seek degrees under the Jihad quota.

<b>Communists run away from gunfire</b>

Murli points out that a member of parliament belonging to the Communist Party of India (Marxist) was dining at the posh Taj Hotel along with his colleagues when the terrorists entered the hotel. The MP and his colleagues fled the place and were eventually rescued by the police.

It was a night without end for Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) MP N N Krishnadas who was having dinner at the Taj hotel in Mumbai when masked militants barged in.
"I was having dinner with some of my colleagues when two masked militants barged into the restaurant. They fired indiscriminately, I saw three people being shot. The terrorists left the room soon after that," Krishnadas said over the phone from Mumbai.

<b>The case of the Missing Apples</b>

Remember the Muslims in Kashmir who wanted to march to Muzaffarabad in Pakistan with their apples instead of trading with other Indians? They have stopped sending apples to Pakistan. This is what Haji Farooq Ahmed, the President of Kashmir Valley's Fruit Buyer's Association, says:

"We don’t know what happened to the 7,000 fruit boxes we sent to Muzaffarabad."
Here is a guess - we think the Pakistanis ate the apples. Hopefully this information will help Haji Farooq Ahmed.

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X-posting... Let us also include in this thread all information regarding half-educated, semi-traditional Baba-s who are more Secular than Hindu.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Sri Sri as Gandhi</b>         
Radha Rajan
01 Jan 2009

Ordinary Indians who responded to Gandhi's call and took to the streets for satyagraha and became victims of British repressive state power, did not know that they had suffered great physical abuse and pain, imprisonment, even death, not for political independence, but only for Gandhi's swaraj-as-self-rule which was equal to inner self-liberation. The stalwarts of the freedom movement, the leaders of the INC and Gandhi himself did not think they needed to spell out their goal explicitly to ordinary Indians.

This was tragic because in the Hindu tradition, Hindus do not have to suffer the repressive power of the state to achieve self-liberation. There were other, more fulfilling and less painful ways to attain the same, though Gandhi indulges in considerable Portian quality-of-mercy eloquence to sell his idea on self-suffering passive resistance:

Passive resistance is a method of securing rights by personal suffering; it is the reverse of resistance by arms. Everybody admits that sacrifice of self is infinitely superior to sacrifice of others.

Passive resistance is an all-sided sword, it can be used anyhow; it blesses him who uses it and him against whom it is used.

Real home-rule is possible only where passive resistance is the guiding force of the people. Any other rule is foreign rule.

It is not clear how and when passive resistance acquired the capacity to 'bless' people, while the last is a snide reference to the Nationalists who were prepared, if need be, to also take to arms. Gandhi cleverly uses the Love-is-blind, God-is-love, therefore God-is-blind reasoning.

According to Gandhi (with no supportive historical reference to substantiate his claim) only passive resistance can lead to self-rule; use of active resistance or force is therefore not self-rule, but foreign rule. Therefore, says Gandhi, the Nationalists who say they want to end foreign rule when they advocate armed resistance, which is the antithesis to passive resistance, are not enabling self-rule but its antithesis, foreign rule!

Gandhi concluded his astonishing dissertation on passive resistance with the astounding, bordering-on-the-juvenile story about facing a lion:

It may be as well here to note that a physical-force man has to have many other useless qualities which a passive resister never needs. And you will find that whatever extra effort a swordsman needs is due to lack of fearlessness. If he is an embodiment of the latter, the sword will drop from his hand that very moment. He does not need its support. One who is free from hatred requires no sword. A man with a stick suddenly came face to face with a lion; and instinctively raised his weapon in self-defence. The man saw that he had only prated about fearlessness when there was none in him. That moment he dropped the stick, and found himself free of fear.

In the above story of the man and the lion Gandhi surprisingly uses hatred and fear interchangeably; if one were to accept Gandhi's opinions as the last word on any issue, it seems there can be no other weighty, compelling reason than fear and hatred, to take up arms.

This is not in line with Hindu ithihasa. If anything, the defining war in the Ramayana and the war at Kurukshetra teach us that sometimes people will have to take up arms and wage war to remove forces inimical to dharma. Hindu nationalists do not need to look anywhere else except at their own history and tradition for lessons on how to protect and defend the Hindu nation.

Gandhi also did not tell his readers about the story's end: was it happy for the man or the lion? It seems surprising how Indians particularly, and the world at large, accepted these self-defeating and self-destructive Gandhian arguments for absolute, unqualified and un-nuanced non-violence, even when world history and the history of the victims of Islam and Christianity and other deadly political ideologies have proved repeatedly that violence has never been checked or defeated by professions of love or peace or use of unequal force of arms. Gandhi advocated passive resistance not only to man against lion, but to Hindus against their aggressors, native Australians against White Christian invaders, and Jews against Nazis.

He even advocated passive resistance to the Allies against Nazi Germany and offered his services to mediate actively between Hitler and the Allies!
Those people who have been warred against have disappeared, as, for instance, the natives of Australia, of whom hardly a man was left alive by the intruders. Mark please, that these natives did not use soul-force in self-defence, and it does not require much foresight to know that the Australians will share the same fate as their victims.

Gandhi prescribed the same solution to the British fighting the Nazis:
I venture to present you with a nobler and a braver way, worthy of the bravest soldiers. I want you to fight Nazism without arms or... with non-violent arms. I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.

And for the Hindus against jihad:
Hindus should not harbour anger in their hearts against Muslims even if the latter wanted to destroy them. Even if the Muslims want to kill us all we should face death bravely. If they established their rule after killing Hindus we would be ushering in a new world by sacrificing our lives. None should fear death. Birth and death are inevitable for every human being. Why should we then rejoice or grieve?  If we die with a smile we shall enter into a new life, we shall be ushering in a new India.

That nation is great which rests its head upon death as its pillow. Those who defy death are free from all fear.

Gandhi's explicit injunction that evil should not be ended at any cost was standing Hindu dharma on its head.

The author is Editor, www.vigilonline.com. This is an excerpt from her forthcoming book, “Gandhi and his legacy. Eclipse and Rise of Hindu nationalism”
And a comment from Sandhya Jain:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is increasingly becoming a poseur of the worst type, and extremely tiresome. He is increasingly posturing like Gandhi - who also positioned himself over and ABOVE the towering intellectuals of the time - Tilak, Aurobindo and Savarkar, all of whom demanded use of force to throw the British out of the country. 

Gandhi positioned himself above them all - with calibrated support managed by the Raj, in much the same way as the media is managed today - to appear as a Jesus-inspired non-violent neo-age messiah of non-violence and love.  Sri Sri as a Jesus look-alike is similar bogus. He has NO LOCUS STANDI TO COMMENT on Col. Purohit and the others. 

If he really thinks he can win over jihadis and evangelists - murderous, genocide-wrecking species both, with his flowing locks and wishy-washy talk of love, LET him IMMEDIATELY PROCEED TO SRINAGAR and do it there. ONLY then will we believe him and only then will he earn the right to shoot his mouth off. Till then, Hindu society will create people who dare to RESIST those who harm society.


Mumbai: We do not want war with Pakistan. <b>The amount of love I received in Pakistan, I did not receive any where in the world, said Swami Agnivesh in a public gathering.</b>

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If Swami Agnivesh ever decides to take up residence in Pakistan, we could easily manage to raise some $ for a one way air ticket.

"agnivesh" can walk into osama's home in pindi if he wants, and he will be treated like a guest. Jehadis never had such a gift since the days of awrangzeb. This "swami" is a goose that lays green eggs for them..if any newbie mujahid even touches him, osama, dawood, hafiz saeed and zawahiri will personally kill that mujahid.
Is this fellow the same from Arya Samaj? The pretender. A lot of fakes like these hanging around pretending to be Hindu leaders but vouching for xtianity and islamaniacs.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Jan 3 2009, 11:15 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Jan 3 2009, 11:15 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is this fellow the same from Arya Samaj? The pretender. A lot of fakes like these hanging around pretending to be Hindu leaders but vouching for xtianity and islamaniacs.
[right][snapback]92621[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->He's a self-professed marxist. Probably a christian too, I shouldn't wonder - like the christian Nepalese and Orissan communists "maoists".

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Swami Agnivesh was expelled from Arya Samaj:
See http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/19...2-14.shtml, from the Hinduism Today paper, February 1994 issue:
'The Arya Samaj is warning members in India and abroad "to be careful against some disruptive forces in the organization." General Secretary Sachidanand Shastri says Shri Kailash Nath Singh, Swami Agnivesh and Indravesh were expelled "some years back on charges of corruption and indiscipline," adding that published reports of their election to the Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha are untrue. He calls it a "dirty game" aimed at grabbing Arya Samaj properties and destabilizing the Sarvadeshik Sabha. Legal action has been promised.'

2. In 2005, Hindus Of Houston (Texas, USA) made a press release exposing the anti-Hindu 'Swami' Agnivesh who is actually a marxist set on subverting Arya Samaj by deceiving Hindus.
The following are some portions of the press release, but you can read the full text by Hindus Of Houston in the copies at
and http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2007/03/tim...h-mela-rot.html
(Note that HindusOfHouston's new website is HindusOfHouston.net)

"this imposter is notorious and has been expelled over a decade ago from the Arya Samaj
Yet Agnivesh claims to be the President of the ˜World Council of Arya Samaj. This is a travesty. He is abusing the freedom of religion in India by claiming to be part of Arya Samaj. In spite of his expulsion, Agnivesh claims to be part of this organization to give him credibility and hijack the Arya Samaj’s spiritual legacy of 130 years.
Far from being a Swami, this imposter is a notorious Hindu-hater who has been expelled over a decade ago from the Arya Samaj, a world-wide and well respected Hindu organization.
Rajinder Gandhi, President of the Arya Pratinidhi Sabha America, stresses that Agnivesh will not be invited to speak at any Arya Samaj forum in the USA, for the above reasons and also because the latter’s past actions have created discord between Arya Samaj and other Hindu organizations. Mr. Gandhi points to Agnivesh’s unwillingness to speak against the against the Muslim atrocities against Hindus in Kashmir and other parts of India.

What makes Agnivesh a very dangerous man is his unconditional support to proselytization and Islamist separatism in India. He is now associated with hate-mongering organizations which are anti-Hindu. He has become a favorite poster-boy of anti-Hindu hate-groups in India and abroad. Agnivesh co-wrote a rabid, hate-mongering book called "Harvest of Hate" along with a Christian evangelist, in order to paint the Hindus of India in an unfavorable light. The book is totally anti-Hindu and thus does not in any way promote inter-religious harmony.

In recent years, he celebrated the arrest of the Kanchi Shankaracharya and opposed the Indian Prime Minister Dr.Manmohan Singh’s plea for a fair and honest probe of the now-disproved allegations against the Kanchi seer. Agnivesh’s distorted views about Hindus and Hinduism do not end here. <b>He openly calls himself a devotee of Marx</b> and a political swami who doesn't have any religion. Indeed, he is also a scheming Indian politician and a parliamentary candidate of the Janata Dal party which has actively worked to foment social dissension and religious hatred in India."

3. Swami Agnivesh works with anti-Hindus and anti-Indians, and frequently says anti-Hindu things.
Journalist Francois Gautier, in his article "True colours" (a copy is at http://hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/270.htm), writes:

"If you continue to scrutinise Swami Agnivesh's deeds, you will discover that he has strange bedfellows. True, he chooses his allies in secular spirit: Christians, Dalits, Muslims... all of this is wonderful, except that many of them are avowed enemies of India and often work abroad to belittle its image. Indeed, Swami Agnivesh is often quoted in the Pakistani newspaper, Dawn, or on the website of the very aggressive Christian Mission Frontiers
his words are so anti-Hindu
Are then Swami Agnivesh's orange robes and turban a disguise, a lure with which he can hit out more freely at his own culture?"

Francois Gautier also reveals that Swami Agnivesh co-wrote an anti-Hindu, hatemongering book along with the Hindu-baiting christian fundamentalist Valson Thampu. (This is also mentioned by HindusOfHouston in 2. above)

4. See also http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2005/10/...in-houston.html
The Hindu magazine NewsToday seems to have been duped by his self-conferred swami title and the Arya Samaj properties he usurped. At least, it looks like the paper is in fact giving positive represention of the swarmy uglyface we unfortunately know (the marxist christoislamic-sympathiser), because he says things like:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Freedom of religion would remain a mirage unless the tradition of enrolling children to the parent religion ends, Swamiji said.
(That is, he's saying that Hindus shouldn't be raising their children Hindu. They should allow their children to become sheep.)
He also condemened the recent attacks on churches and prayer halls at Kandhamal in Orissa. These incidents are not a coincidence but well-planned attacks, he alleged.
(Yet no condemnation on the christoterrorist murders of Swami Lakshmanananda and the other spiritual Hindu leaders who were with him at the time.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<b>Hey Pandyan,</b> interested in mailing "letters at newstodaynet dot com" to tell them about swarmy uglyface's latest drool over pukestan and ask them not to give positive coverage to his statements?
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 3 2009, 12:23 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 3 2009, 12:23 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Hindu magazine NewsToday seems to have been duped by his self-conferred swami title and the Arya Samaj properties he usurped. At least, it looks like the paper is in fact giving positive represention of the swarmy uglyface we unfortunately know (the marxist christoislamic-sympathiser), because he says things like:
[right][snapback]92623[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Confirmed. It is the marxist crypto that NewsToday covered, since they describe him in their article as:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Founder of Adhyathma Jagaran Manch, Swami Agnivesh...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And web searching on this "Adhyathma Ja<b>gr</b>an Manch" gets us to this page:
which is predictably psecularly titled:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ADHYATMA JAGRAN MANCH
<b>A SIGNIFICANT INITIATIVE AGAINST COMMUNALISM</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course all of swarmy uglyface's sermons and accusations are hurled only against Hindus in it. And it reveals the following, also as expected:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In view of the serious threat posed to the unity of India and its secular and tolerant culture, a powerful multi-religious movement under the name Adhyatma Jagran Manch has been launched. <b>Swami Agnivesh, the renowned social and spiritual activist, Nirmala Deshpande, the noted Gandhian, and the Revd. Valson Thampu, academic and Christian theologian</b> are the founding members. The campaign of the Manch was launched in Rajasthan, a state that has recently come under VHP's communal propaganda, on the 19th of April with a massive rally and public meeting in Jaipur. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nirmala Deshpande. And of course swarmy is working with communal anti-Hindu christoterrorist Valson Thampu again, but will go on about how the Hindu VHP is "communal" instead.

Have to read this. It might be funny, if only I could know that this swarmy uglyface and his christocommunista buddies were not addressing Hindus but just more christoislamicommies instead.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In his address, Swami Agnivesh exhorted the people, numbering over 3000, to rise above communalism and to adopt a spiritual outlook by which religion is not a call to war but an invitation to peace and harmony. He urged them to be vigilant against the vested interests who abuse religion to promote their own agenda. <b>Swami ji criticized the Trishul diksha</b> programme of Praveen Togadia and pointed out that the communal abuse of religious symbols was an insult to religion. Hinduism is a tolerant faith that believes in welcoming winds of thought from all directions. Fascist outfits, on the other hand, are by nature intolerant and they believe in violence and aggression, which is a threat to the genius of Indian culture and spirituality.

It started raining in Alwar, which has been withering under drought over the last 5 years as <b>Rev. Valson Thampu rose to address the gathering.</b> He encouraged the people to see this as a sign that God was pleased with them and hoped that the suffering of the poor people of Rajasthan will soon come to an end. When the people are suffering for want of food, water and fuel, it is an insult to them to be given trishuls instead of food and water. A trishul that costs 15-20 rupees was reportedly 'distributed' in Rajasthan for Rs. 80 each. VHP plans to distribute 1 crore trishuls. This implies a net profit of at least Rs. 30 - 40 crores. It is mostly the poor who are made to buy these trishuls, by playing up their religious sentiments. This exploitation of the poor is a spiritual crime. He urged the people not to give any quarter to the forces of disunity. <b>The heart of spirituality is love. Love unites us</b>.
(More flowery words Goo. Typical doublespeak by christoislamicommiterrorists. Enough to make one sick)
When we are united, we are strong and we cannot be exploited by others. Unity is the only strength of the poor. It is also what God wants to see in our midst. If we encourage <b>communal forces that divert attention from our basic needs</b>, we become our own enemies.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christoterrorist Valson Thampu: "communal forces that divert attention from our basic needs"
Makes sense that Thampu would say that - because christianism thrives on trying to sell their vapourware to poor Hindus. They need the people to forget they are being preyed on by the nazis and think only of how desperately poor they are, so that they will then will be open to accepting the christian bribes and not consider what the terrorists are after in doing this.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>‘Beef processing units can solve cattle smuggling problem’</span>

From Our Spl Correspondent

NEW DELHI: Meghalaya Governor Ranjit Shekhar Mooshahary has suggested that the state governments in the North-East should establish beef processing units to generate revenue and create employment avenues for youth which, he says, would immensely help deal with the perennial problem of cattle smuggling across the India-Bangladesh borders.

Apart from cross-border infiltration and insurgency, cattle smuggling has become a nightmare for the authorities in the region. A large number of cattle worth crores of rupees from as far as Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Punjab and Haryana are smuggled into Bangladesh through the porous borders of the North-East. By the time the harried animals reach Bangladesh, they are half-dead while many perish on the way and the government does not receive any revenue from this illegal trade. The Rs 2,500-crore Bangladeshi leather industry reportedly thrives on cattle smuggled from India.

Ironically, northeastern states have to import cattle from outside the region to meet its beef requirement.

Mr Mooshahary has given <b>a novel solution</b> to this problem. In the recently concluded plenary meeting of North Eastern Council (NEC) here, he proposed that the state governments should set up beef processing units in the region where cattle meat can be used for consumption and even exports to foreign countries including Bangladesh.

"There is no abhorrence to eating beef in the northeastern region where many people eat cow meat. Processed beef would also give huge revenue to the government and provide employment to a large number of people. In the long run this would reduce the unhealthy trend of cattle smuggling from India to Bangladesh," the Governor told The Shillong Times after the meeting.

<b>Mr Mooshahary, who is a former Director General of BSF</b>, said, "Every third cow slaughtered in Dhaka city alone is from India," adding, "Cattle can help the northeastern region set up its leather industry."  {One wonders how he knows this}

According to BSF sources cattle worth Rs 25 lakh were seized along the Indo-Bangla borders in the North-East in November last alone. The volume of the illegal trade involving those not caught may run into crores of rupees.

Following increased vigil by BSF cattle were smuggled into that country by river route. It is alleged that at times BSF and BDR also get involved in such illegal trade by receiving cuts from the smugglers.

On several occasions, there were firing incidents over cattle smuggling and flag meetings had to be called to resolve the issue. Normally, smugglers ram the animals in large herds into the border fencing and as a result the fencing crashes and gets demolished, BSF sources said.

Meanwhile, sources said DoNER Ministry was in touch with the Ministry of Food Processing to consider the idea of setting up beef-based industries in the region.


And not pork! Even though in NE pork is consumed more than beef.
Please read what LK Advani writes at his Blog : Understanding Genuine Secularism

Then to bring yourself back to the Real World, do read: K Elst: "Equal respect for all religions" - The only explicitly Indian contribution in the cited BJS/BJP self-declarations.

Maybe someone would let the BJP's PM-in-waiting read K. Elst when he gets some time between reading Coffee Books and Mark Tully.
Related to ^ that, but in defense of nothing and no one (I was going to post the following elsewhere, but I suppose it fits here):

Plus one of the comments:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Saturday, January 10, 2009
<b>Advani Gets a Blog</b>
BJP leader L.K. Advani gets his own blog.
Posted by san at 1/10/2009 05:44:00 PM
Labels: bjp, media, technology

<b>Ghost Writer</b> said...

    It's probably being ghost written by that Commie S Kulkarni.

    these commies are utter rascal infiltrators. They first pushed the Centrists and conservatives in the Congress out of the way (thanks for the memories Jawahar Stalin) - and now they have pushed a fifth column in the BJP too

    Advani rode the tiger (TM - Ramalinga Raju) when it cam eto Babri - but never owned up to the consequences (good and bad) of the demolition. Instead he simply wanted to be accepted as a secular.

    His blog will contain the same wannabe secular, Dhimmi tripe - it has already started with reinforcing the secular Jinnah speech comment.
    1/10/2009 7:40 PM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
^ More relevant

<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Jan 13 2009, 05:43 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jan 13 2009, 05:43 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Please read what LK Advani writes at his Blog : Understanding Genuine Secularism

Then to bring yourself back to the Real World, do read: K Elst: "Equal respect for all religions" - The only explicitly Indian contribution in the cited BJS/BJP self-declarations. [right][snapback]93072[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I read that Elst page some time ago, it says it straight.
But this bit is wrong, though:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->History shows that Hinduism practises equal tolerance towards all sects of Hindu provenance, and towards Zoroastrianism, Judaism and pre-colonial Syrian-Christianity which, at least in India, have always abided by the rules of Hindu pluralism: live and let live.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Syrian christianism was little different from other christianism: it's been proven they invited over the Portuguese christian terrorists to convert the inconvertible Hindus. In this the Hindu experience was not different from the Japanese and Roman one:
From Sita Ram Goel's excellent book "<b>HISTORY OF HINDU-CHRISTIAN ENCOUNTERS, AD 304 TO 1996</b>"
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The significant point to be noted about the Syrian Christians, however, is their sudden change of colour as soon as the Portuguese arrived on the scene. They immediately rallied round the Portuguese and against their Hindu neighbours, and when the Portuguese started pressurizing the Hindu Rajas for extraterritorial rights so that their co-religionists could be  protected , the Syrian Christians evinced great enthusiasm everywhere. They became loyal subjects of the king of Portugal and pious adherents of the Roman Catholic Church. Was it the demonstration of Portuguese power which demoralised the Syrian Christians and made them do what they did? Or was it the Christian doctrine which, though it lay dormant for a long time, surfaced at the first favourable opportunity? The matter has to be examined. Looking at the behaviour of Syrian Christians ever since, the second proposition seems to be nearer the truth.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://hamsa.org/09.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vasco da Gama's mistake was corrected when he returned to Malabar in 1502 and was met by a deputation of Syrian Christians. They identified themselves, surrendered their ancient honours and documents, and invited him to make war on their Hindu king.

K.M. Panikkar, in Malabar and the Portuguese, writes, "More than this, they suggested to [Vasco da Gama] that with their help he should conquer the Hindu kingdoms and invited him to build a fortress for this purpose in Cranganore. This was the recompense which the Hindu rajas received for treating with liberality and kindness the Christians in their midst."

The Syrians had of course acted on the exigencies of their Christian religion, which harbours in its heart a demon that divides mankind into friend and foe on ideological grounds. King Shapur of Persia had not been mistaken about the allegiances of his Christian subjects in the fourth century.

The Syrian Christians would soon come to grief for their treachery. The Portuguese regarded them as heretics and schismatics who were no better in True Religion than their Hindu neighbours.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sanjay Subramaniam's book on Vasco da Gama apparently also refers to Portuguese documents on how the Syrian christians invited them over to make war on Hindus and take over Hindu soil for christoterrorism. See
Great Treachery - India and the Syrian Christians of Kerala:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Going back historians have talked about them, one time refugees to Kerala from Syria. After religious persecution, like the Parsees. But recent studies have come up with shocking data. Like Sanjay Subrahmaniam in Lisbon taking Portugese Documents ( 'Career and Legend of Vasco Da Gama') have said that it was the Syrian Christians called St. Thomaa Christians of the East by the Europeans, who brought Vasco da Gama, beginning the colonisation of India, to Kerala shores. That they had offered to the Portugese, French and British support to evict the local kings, Zamorins, who gave them refuge. Obviously the early Syrians were here for centuries, came as refugees, later more coming in. The same fact is also there in the Dutch History of Trvancore, also in the French sources. That the Syrian Christian Refugees of Kerala wanted the Europeans help them to have 'Thy Kingdom Come'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Syrian christians were exactly like the Sufis (posts 268 and 269 of islamism thread). We can thank the syrian christian ingrates for bringing over the Goan inquisition and christoPortuguese terrorism+colonialism+imperialism.
Their peaceful tolerance was all a sham. That's because their christianism is the same as the rest of christianism, just like Sufis' islamism is ultimately the same as the rest of islamism.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Elst: History shows that Hinduism practises equal tolerance towards all sects of Hindu provenance, and towards Zoroastrianism, Judaism and pre-colonial Syrian-Christianity which, at least in India, have always abided by the rules of Hindu pluralism: live and let live.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In another sense too, this statement is wrong: even before the syrian christoterroristas invited their ideological brethren over (i.e. <i>in the pre-colonial time</i> mentioned in Elst's quoteblock), the Syrian christians had not been into the "live and let live" thing either:
http://hamsa.org/15.htm - Ch 15 of Ishwar Sharan's book <b>The Myth of Saint Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Portuguese, and Syrian Christians before them, had given the "honour" of temple--breaking to St. Thomas at Palayur, north of Cranganore, where an early seventeenth century Portuguese church built by the Jesuit Fr. James Fenicio rises amidst temple ruins today (see note 31). Fr. A. Mathias Mundadan, in History of Christianity in India, Vol. I, writes, "The remains of old temples found at Palayur and near the other traditional churches[50] are proof of this." Proof of what? Proof, it would seem, that St. Thomas destroyed temples at all the places where he is said to have built churches.
St. Thomas can be accused of many things, including crimes against women (as recorded in the Acts of Thomas), but he cannot be accused of <b>destroying temples in India. This was done by his followers from about the ninth century onwards,</b> and later by the Portuguese, and Christian historians who take the position that he did the deeds himself, citing them as "positive' proof that he came to India, cannot be taken seriously.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Madrasa certificates will now be CBSE equivalent

New Delhi: In a move that goes a long way in mainstreaming Madrasa
students across the country and help clear their way to higher
education, the Human Resource Development (HRD) Ministry is all set to
grant madrasa certificates equivalence to the Central Board of
Secondary Education (CBSE).

A key recommendation of the Sachar committee — and also on the PM's
15-point programme for minorities — a special panel set up by the
Ministry recently recommended that in states where madrasa
certificates are recognized as equivalent to secondary and senior
secondary level, these should also be granted equivalence by the CBSE.

The notification is expected soon and will benefit some 7000 madrasas
and 3.5 lakh students in seven states that have madrasa boards: Uttar
Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand, Orissa, Assam and West
Bengal. This will also apply to madrasa certificated already issued.

In states without a madrasa board, the panel has recommended that
students should have an option to approach a madrasa board in a
neighbouring state to avail of the CBSE equivalence.

<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Jan 1 2009, 08:53 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Jan 1 2009, 08:53 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I think it needs a thread to collect all about <b>the facade called secularism in India.</b>[right][snapback]92539[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->About that:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, January 20, 2009
<b>swami vivekananda: A legacy denied - www.ultracurrents.co.cc</b>
jan 20th, 2009

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<b>Swami Vivekananda: A legacy denied</b>
Saurav Basu, ivarta
Jan. 17, 2009

Several newspapers editorial pages display a remarkable conspicuity in their absence of remembrance of Swami Vivekananda"s birth anniversary. In the same vein, political parties have remained averse to appropriating the man and his message unlike the passionate exhibition of their characteristic voyeurism during Gandhi, Nehru and his parivar"s anniversaries.

<b>A full page advert of the sports ministry celebrates National Youth Day without identifying with Vivekananda!</b> Probably, it is because Vivekananda"s "unapologetic Hinduism" cannot be straight-jacketed into "secular", "progressive" and "dalit emancipative" categories.
(Not too many years back, Santa Antonia "Sonia Gandhi" Maino tried to appropriate Vivekananda - until she discovered he was a Hindu and didn't approve of christianism.)

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Related articles:

Indian De-Monarchy @ http://indiaview.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/...mocratic-india/

Nehru-Khan-Gandhi Dynasty @ http://www.vepachedu.org/Nehrudynasty.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Since Santa Maino wants to be Santa before dying, is it okay if she is beatified (and mummified) in life as well?
Here are some links on AoL and Sri Sri.

1) http://www.deeshaa.org/is-sri-sri-ravi-s...a-con-man/
2) http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/...-ngo-scam-scam/
3) http://answeringaol.blogspot.com/ <b>{this guy could be a hard core Christian}</b>
Hard to beat this. Today's ueber-dhimmi award goes to:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is sad that the author wants to perpetuate the despicable caste system which has been the bane of Hinduism.
(Radha Rajan's article only talked about Kshatriyas. This cryptochristoislami had to go all missionary in its comment.)

Why do we claim that J&K is an integral part of India?Was J&K part of India on 14/08/1947? Why did Hari Singh wait to sign the instrument of accession till the marauders came to claim the princely state for the Pakis?<b>Indians annexed Junagarh and Hyderabad and the Pakis did not have the reach to challenge us.Goa was taken a decade plus after independence and the Chogyal of Sikkim was unceremoniously moved out from Gangtok by the para-commandos of the Indian Army.We Indians are not innocents and our past is full of peccadillos.We claim the North East to be part of India</b> and yet when someone from the NE with ching features come to Delhi we look at him as if he is a foreigner.India for all practical purposes is only the Hindi speaking states .The rise of regional parties is a boon which has enabled parties like the DMK and the AIADMK to have a say in central governance. Israel is not an example worth emulating.The Palestinians have been deprived of their homes and hearths and they are refugee in ther own land and neighbouring lands.Israel,in spite of the support from the Americans, have not slept a night peacefully.There is strife and there is fear and peace eludes this state . The BJP coming to power will sound the death knell of democratic,tolerant and secular traditions of India.   
  01 Apr 2009 
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Personally I think it's 1. An undercover islamaniac; 2. A cryptocretin or 3. Really as unsalvageably witless as it sounds.
[size="3"][url="http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Citycitybangbang/entry/the-divine-middlemen"]The divine middlemen[/url] : TOI, 09 October 2011

[indent][size="3"][quote name="Santosh Desai"]During the Anna Hazare movement, a puzzlingly important role was played by a variety of spiritual leaders. We had the Baba Ramdev soap opera that ended badly in sari-drenched absurdity, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar in dulcet huddles with Anna, and a curious gentleman by the moniker of Bhaiyuji who surfaced mysteriously and played a role of unspecified importance in the negotiations with the representatives of the government. And while the movement attracted people from different sections of society, including mandatory film stars and not very famous celebrities, eager to be seen and heard, the fact that these Godmen were not only present but were called upon to play key roles needs some reflection.

The Godmen involved in the Anna Hazare-led movement have little in common- one is a yoga guru famous for fierce palpitations of the stomach, that has won him a middle class constituency, another a guru catering to white collar misery and the need for beatific consolation, while the third one comes without a known constituency, antecedents and the hirsute persona otherwise deemed mandatory for entry into guru-dom. What unites them is thus nothing other than their apparent other-worldliness, and what makes them suitable for the role that they were asked to play or insisted successfully on playing, is nothing more than the fact that they are spiritual leaders with constituencies.

The need for Godmen comes from two opposite ends of the spectrum. They attract both those who have failed unreasonably and those who have succeeded inexplicably; ... [color="#9932cc"]....bla bla bla.... more bla....[/color]

In many ways, Godmen are truly and perhaps in the most complete sense of the word, middlemen. They mediate between matters of the earth and sky, worldliness and the transcendental, belonging and detachment, surface and depth, ritual belief and individual awakening. ... [/size]
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It is this quality that makes him invaluable as a mediator. Wearing a shroud of culturally-enabled legitimacy for they are after all, holy men, Godmen are middlemen of unclassifiable power representing an undefined constituency. Unlike the politician whose constituency is often paid for, the Godman enjoys the distinction of have true followers and audiences that come of their volition in very large numbers to hear their leader. Nothing sticks to him, no scandal, no television sting expose, no allegation of embezzlement, molestation or murder- the spiritual guru enjoys immunity of a kind that politicians have done so far, only with far greater legitimacy. In some ways, the spiritual leader is a politician of a different religion, wearing saffron instead of white, <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> dealing in prescriptions instead of promises and attracting believers instead of voters. If the politicians find themselves channelizing the potent power of the state, the Godmen funnel the even greater and more intangible belief in the divine.

The Jan Lokpal movement represents a de-institutionalisation of democracy as it moves from being an alien ritual performed with awkward hesitancy to something that is owned and practised with cultural self-confidence. As democracy breaks out of its institutional straitjacket and spills over into the realms of cultural practice, it will begin to absorb the larger forces at work in society. [Image: smile-yes.gif] The inclusion of Godmen into the mainstream political discourse might not be a one-time phenomenon but a sign of things to come. In the use of democracy as a mode of public expression rather than ritual enactment of a political system, lies a new engagement with it which will be at once more real and more fragmented and chaotic. The separation of politics from life is about to end, and one by-product of that is that we have may have read about people like Bhaiyuji Maharaj more often than we have imagined.[/quote]

urli points out that a member of parliament belonging to the Communist Party of India (Marxist) was dining at the posh Taj Hotel along with his colleagues when the terrorists entered the hotel. The MP and his colleagues fled the place and were eventually rescued by the police.
Since when has the CPM been barred from entering the Taj Hotel? India is a democracy and we have politicians following various idelogies, it is not a crime.
It is not a crime, just hypocrisy.

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