Definition and demarcation of races keep changing, have nary a scientific basis - outside of the racist basis of US society and govt, I don't think any western country's govt still subscribes to the word (certainly not the ones I've been in).
Since 'race' is a mythological construct that is dependent on faith and is unscientific from what I have learnt throughout school and from reading and watching documentaries (yeah, I wasn't unfortunate enough to 'study' in the US), and since I'm not prone to 'believing', it is hardly necessary for me to say that I don't believe in 'race'.
In contemporary life, the word 'race', when it came to humans and in the countries where I have lived (outside of India, that is; obviously I never heard the word 'race' used in India, let alone came across any equivalent in my language) has only ever been referred to in the <i>negative</i> sense: for example, "people wrongly believed in race theory" or "the nazis believed they were of the imaginary arisch race". Negatively except for the use in human race - or dwarf race or alien races (fantasy, sci-fi - where it is used more like the term species).
As for Desi, never called myself that. Sounds really cheap. Am not cheap.
Have called myself Hindu, Indian and Bharatiya (=Dharmic of Bharatam <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->).
However, interesting that Bhavv (who previously had issues with India being called Bharatam) has doubled back to slice open this topic. Comes across rather like needling to insinuate that Hindus are 'racist' for calling themselves 'Desi' - though I never met a Hindu who did that <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->, only psecularados and they're hardly ever Hindus anyway.
Possibly Bhavv has no problem with Chinese calling their country Middle Kingdom (Chung Kuo) implying their land lies in the middle of the globe, let alone any pangs of conscience with the christoterrorist English having dubbed the native Cymry as foreigner slaves (=meaning of 'Welsh'), or that the word slave is the medieval christian racists' derivation of Slav, as in Yugoslavs, Russians, Poles, and the other Slavic peoples. Or that the Mamluks are the "white slaves" of islam (and of course there are the "black slaves" as well, see for example the victims of islamism's caste system in Yemen). Or any disturbance in Bhavv's conscience concerning the glorious christo-hierarchy of blacks, whites, "injuns", mulattos (I can't even spell these alien christoterrorist words of insult, I barely understand their meaning), further christian inanities about "half and pure breeds" (terms the christoterrorists of the US uniquely applied to native Americans, as if the people were horses <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ), "eskimos".
One wonders where Bhavv's indignation was then.
There's the 'n' word for Indians and Africans or people of African origin (also blatantly present in the name of gov'ner "I'll be bak" Ahnuld).
Then there's a host of modern racist christoAmerican names for other people they've gleefully bombed: Gooks, Japs, Rags=American term for Arabians.
Sick. The list is too long. Christoterrorism's vocabulary is full of slurs.
Or perhaps, Bhavv was merely choosing to be ignorant about the world while playing 'neutral' disapprover of Indian, Indians and particularly Bharatiyas. This is especially odd, when our situation <i>can not even be remotely compared</i> to any of the above.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is ethnic labeling within the Indian community itself considered to be acceptable and fine? I have never been comfortable with my parents over use of the words 'Gora' and 'Kallah', and feel uncomfortable when these racial words are used, often in a deregratory manner. I have however, never heard my parents, nor anyone of the older generations in my familly and Indian community use the word 'Desi' to call each other, in fact this word seems to be rarely used if anyone does use it, and only seems to be spoken carelessly by members of the younger Indian generation living in the UK who think it is a 'cool', or 'modern' name to call each other by (I am from the UK and rarely ever hear the word Desi used, and when I do I feel just as offended as the words 'Gora' and 'Kallah' have made me feel throughout my years, and also just as offended as a black person would be if called a N*gger, or a Pakistani person in this country called a P*ki).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know anyone who talks about goras, kallahs (what is that).
But how telepathically compassionate of you to <i>know</i> what an African person feels like when he's called by the christoterrorist n-word. It's deeply moving.
It is this deep-seated feeling in pseculars - whenever they use some <i>sinister story surrounding their own purported situation as an example</i> to denounce/get other Indians to denounce something in Indian society.
And why is there a * in Paki. It's only a slur in England. Even Pakistani sounds like a slur. (Actually, Pakistan sounds like a <i>really</i> bad insult, but, they *would* name their country that and would not have argument....) Heartwarming to see yet another psecular 'Indian' defend TSPers' "honour" - their honour in bombing us. Do ask them to drop by your house next time instead of them sending their love to the rest of Bharatam. Islamic love is too costly for Hindus, but you perhaps find the price tag is perfect for you?
I don't need your psecular faux-arguments to convince me that Desi is a lame term. It *is* a lame term. But for entirely different reasons from those your conditioned thinking gave rise to.
It's actually for the reasons that Dhu mentioned above that I had an instinctive aversion to the word (too many psecular opinions online emanated from owners who self-designated as Desi).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I know that I do not accept, nor like any kind of labelling or branding based <b>on the grounds of</b> skin colour and / or <b>race</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You really believe in races, don't you. Only people who believe in it can be racists - it's a fundamental requirement for it. And, what's more, believing in the concept is already the first step to becoming a racist.
So, until IF admin tells me off for it (they certainly have every right to), I'm going to call you a psecular racist. You can't possibly mind. Because it's factually accurate - as also in the country I live now.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I know that I do not accept, nor like any kind of labelling or branding based on the grounds of <b>skin colour</b> and / or race.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another bit of the eternal silliness in the same arch-psecular sentence: the careful psecular dance around skin colour again. So sick of this story. So sick of insipid psecularism. It has no independent thought.
I like skin colour. I regularly stare unashamedly at people and animals because I think they are beautiful. And their skin is a small but not insignificant part of what I think is beautiful - so much colour and texture, indicating so much life. Light to deeply dark humans from different parts of my Bhu Devi. Visual Treat. Their lovely faces, the colour of their voices, their shapes. Ahh. Cuddly animal colouring and soft fur on the quadrupeds. Gorgeous.
As complete an experience in itself as watching scenic nature. My Gods' pawprints all over this world.
I have no shame in admitting to my 'obsession' with people's appearances. People, like animals, look Yum (in a non-edible way, of course).
From your allergic description of it, it is clear that skin colour is an offense to your psecular sensibilities (no point in denying, I have years of experience in reading people's character from their silly giveaways in words). It is clear from the way you discuss it. You are no doubt "colour blind" or, even more psecularly, "particularly <i>not</i> colour blind" (both dialogues to score deeper and deeper points in modern morality are christoracist nonsense).
Jeebusjehoballah forbid someone be 'dark'; to you, their very darkness is a sign of their 'inevitable' oppression. You must defend them from the world: save them from the 'consequences' people like you impose on them for something that doesn't remotely bother the Free World. No one needs to save anyone from me. I take them as they come. Heathen mind is truly free, truly happy.
Well, what d'ya know. Pseculars of Indian origin - though ever eager to pretend they are Moral Superiority Itself with their flowery words and their deeply insipid thoughts - were always more narrow-minded and bigoted than traditionalist Hindoos. No surprises. All Hindoo Mowglis tend to emerge with truly better character, and do so naturally, innately, without trying - let alone resorting to the sort of contrived arguments that pseculars try to guilt-trip people with. Hindoo Jungle's Dharma (intuition and introspection on the world) wins against christoconditioned shallowness (handheld patterned 'thinking') every time.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One thing I also dislike is when an Indian person walks up to me, and hands me a leaflet for a Hindu festival celebration, or Indian club of some kind, or when I am at work (I only work in a supermarket still), and an Indian customer walks up to me and says 'Are you Indian?'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Deep.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Similarly I was asked once at work by another Indian employee 'Do you speak in Gujerati?', which I do but I am terrible at it, so I reply 'No, I only speak English, is that a problem?'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Deeper still.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->never need to look at them by their <b>race</b>, or ask them what their race is, I learnt this lesson from a friend who was <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>half caste</span> Philipino and Irish, but she looked 100% Japanese, and she was highly offended by people who asked her if she was Japanese<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Casteist and racist. How unexpected.
And the friend sounds faithfully catholic, else certainly properly christoconditioned by her catholic parents.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I gave up on Hinduism at around 12 years of age<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course you did.
Since 'race' is a mythological construct that is dependent on faith and is unscientific from what I have learnt throughout school and from reading and watching documentaries (yeah, I wasn't unfortunate enough to 'study' in the US), and since I'm not prone to 'believing', it is hardly necessary for me to say that I don't believe in 'race'.
In contemporary life, the word 'race', when it came to humans and in the countries where I have lived (outside of India, that is; obviously I never heard the word 'race' used in India, let alone came across any equivalent in my language) has only ever been referred to in the <i>negative</i> sense: for example, "people wrongly believed in race theory" or "the nazis believed they were of the imaginary arisch race". Negatively except for the use in human race - or dwarf race or alien races (fantasy, sci-fi - where it is used more like the term species).
As for Desi, never called myself that. Sounds really cheap. Am not cheap.
Have called myself Hindu, Indian and Bharatiya (=Dharmic of Bharatam <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->).However, interesting that Bhavv (who previously had issues with India being called Bharatam) has doubled back to slice open this topic. Comes across rather like needling to insinuate that Hindus are 'racist' for calling themselves 'Desi' - though I never met a Hindu who did that <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->, only psecularados and they're hardly ever Hindus anyway.
Possibly Bhavv has no problem with Chinese calling their country Middle Kingdom (Chung Kuo) implying their land lies in the middle of the globe, let alone any pangs of conscience with the christoterrorist English having dubbed the native Cymry as foreigner slaves (=meaning of 'Welsh'), or that the word slave is the medieval christian racists' derivation of Slav, as in Yugoslavs, Russians, Poles, and the other Slavic peoples. Or that the Mamluks are the "white slaves" of islam (and of course there are the "black slaves" as well, see for example the victims of islamism's caste system in Yemen). Or any disturbance in Bhavv's conscience concerning the glorious christo-hierarchy of blacks, whites, "injuns", mulattos (I can't even spell these alien christoterrorist words of insult, I barely understand their meaning), further christian inanities about "half and pure breeds" (terms the christoterrorists of the US uniquely applied to native Americans, as if the people were horses <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ), "eskimos".
One wonders where Bhavv's indignation was then.
There's the 'n' word for Indians and Africans or people of African origin (also blatantly present in the name of gov'ner "I'll be bak" Ahnuld).
Then there's a host of modern racist christoAmerican names for other people they've gleefully bombed: Gooks, Japs, Rags=American term for Arabians.
Sick. The list is too long. Christoterrorism's vocabulary is full of slurs.
Or perhaps, Bhavv was merely choosing to be ignorant about the world while playing 'neutral' disapprover of Indian, Indians and particularly Bharatiyas. This is especially odd, when our situation <i>can not even be remotely compared</i> to any of the above.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is ethnic labeling within the Indian community itself considered to be acceptable and fine? I have never been comfortable with my parents over use of the words 'Gora' and 'Kallah', and feel uncomfortable when these racial words are used, often in a deregratory manner. I have however, never heard my parents, nor anyone of the older generations in my familly and Indian community use the word 'Desi' to call each other, in fact this word seems to be rarely used if anyone does use it, and only seems to be spoken carelessly by members of the younger Indian generation living in the UK who think it is a 'cool', or 'modern' name to call each other by (I am from the UK and rarely ever hear the word Desi used, and when I do I feel just as offended as the words 'Gora' and 'Kallah' have made me feel throughout my years, and also just as offended as a black person would be if called a N*gger, or a Pakistani person in this country called a P*ki).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't know anyone who talks about goras, kallahs (what is that).
But how telepathically compassionate of you to <i>know</i> what an African person feels like when he's called by the christoterrorist n-word. It's deeply moving.
It is this deep-seated feeling in pseculars - whenever they use some <i>sinister story surrounding their own purported situation as an example</i> to denounce/get other Indians to denounce something in Indian society.
And why is there a * in Paki. It's only a slur in England. Even Pakistani sounds like a slur. (Actually, Pakistan sounds like a <i>really</i> bad insult, but, they *would* name their country that and would not have argument....) Heartwarming to see yet another psecular 'Indian' defend TSPers' "honour" - their honour in bombing us. Do ask them to drop by your house next time instead of them sending their love to the rest of Bharatam. Islamic love is too costly for Hindus, but you perhaps find the price tag is perfect for you?
I don't need your psecular faux-arguments to convince me that Desi is a lame term. It *is* a lame term. But for entirely different reasons from those your conditioned thinking gave rise to.
It's actually for the reasons that Dhu mentioned above that I had an instinctive aversion to the word (too many psecular opinions online emanated from owners who self-designated as Desi).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I know that I do not accept, nor like any kind of labelling or branding based <b>on the grounds of</b> skin colour and / or <b>race</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You really believe in races, don't you. Only people who believe in it can be racists - it's a fundamental requirement for it. And, what's more, believing in the concept is already the first step to becoming a racist.
So, until IF admin tells me off for it (they certainly have every right to), I'm going to call you a psecular racist. You can't possibly mind. Because it's factually accurate - as also in the country I live now.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I know that I do not accept, nor like any kind of labelling or branding based on the grounds of <b>skin colour</b> and / or race.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another bit of the eternal silliness in the same arch-psecular sentence: the careful psecular dance around skin colour again. So sick of this story. So sick of insipid psecularism. It has no independent thought.
I like skin colour. I regularly stare unashamedly at people and animals because I think they are beautiful. And their skin is a small but not insignificant part of what I think is beautiful - so much colour and texture, indicating so much life. Light to deeply dark humans from different parts of my Bhu Devi. Visual Treat. Their lovely faces, the colour of their voices, their shapes. Ahh. Cuddly animal colouring and soft fur on the quadrupeds. Gorgeous.
As complete an experience in itself as watching scenic nature. My Gods' pawprints all over this world.
I have no shame in admitting to my 'obsession' with people's appearances. People, like animals, look Yum (in a non-edible way, of course).
From your allergic description of it, it is clear that skin colour is an offense to your psecular sensibilities (no point in denying, I have years of experience in reading people's character from their silly giveaways in words). It is clear from the way you discuss it. You are no doubt "colour blind" or, even more psecularly, "particularly <i>not</i> colour blind" (both dialogues to score deeper and deeper points in modern morality are christoracist nonsense).
Jeebusjehoballah forbid someone be 'dark'; to you, their very darkness is a sign of their 'inevitable' oppression. You must defend them from the world: save them from the 'consequences' people like you impose on them for something that doesn't remotely bother the Free World. No one needs to save anyone from me. I take them as they come. Heathen mind is truly free, truly happy.
Well, what d'ya know. Pseculars of Indian origin - though ever eager to pretend they are Moral Superiority Itself with their flowery words and their deeply insipid thoughts - were always more narrow-minded and bigoted than traditionalist Hindoos. No surprises. All Hindoo Mowglis tend to emerge with truly better character, and do so naturally, innately, without trying - let alone resorting to the sort of contrived arguments that pseculars try to guilt-trip people with. Hindoo Jungle's Dharma (intuition and introspection on the world) wins against christoconditioned shallowness (handheld patterned 'thinking') every time.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One thing I also dislike is when an Indian person walks up to me, and hands me a leaflet for a Hindu festival celebration, or Indian club of some kind, or when I am at work (I only work in a supermarket still), and an Indian customer walks up to me and says 'Are you Indian?'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Deep.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Similarly I was asked once at work by another Indian employee 'Do you speak in Gujerati?', which I do but I am terrible at it, so I reply 'No, I only speak English, is that a problem?'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Deeper still.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->never need to look at them by their <b>race</b>, or ask them what their race is, I learnt this lesson from a friend who was <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>half caste</span> Philipino and Irish, but she looked 100% Japanese, and she was highly offended by people who asked her if she was Japanese<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Casteist and racist. How unexpected.
And the friend sounds faithfully catholic, else certainly properly christoconditioned by her catholic parents.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I gave up on Hinduism at around 12 years of age<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course you did.