<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Irrespective of which religion he follows he is a terrorist. People died in Mumbai are Indians.[right][snapback]91275[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>By the same logic, vinodreddy gade will next say that:</b>
- the Hindus who were murdered by the islamics in Kashmir were merely "Kashmiris" genocided by "other Kashmiris". Because vinod finds it unsecular to give recognition to the truth of how it was not mere 'random inexplicable' genocide, but rather *religiously motivated* (and therefore <i>targeted</i>) genocide.
- both the christian nazis who genocided the Jews during (and for 1.7 millennia prior to) the nazi Holocaust, as well as the Jewish victims of this christoterorrism, were all merely "German/European citizens". Vinod wants the future to have no idea as to why 6 million "Europeans" were killed by many "other Europeans" around WWII.
- the 150/200 millions of traditional native Americans were murdered by *christians* from Europe. Vinod wants history to record that the Americans sadly killed the Americans.
- the history of the million orthodox christian Serbs systematically *butchered* by the catholic nazis of Croatia (called ustashe) in the WWII period should actually be designated as christians who were killed by other christians for some "incomprehensible" reason. Or merely as Yugoslavians met their deaths at the hands of other Yugoslavians - the same way that many an American meets their death at the hands of a burglar - but in wartime Yugaslavia's case, at the rate of about 1,000,000 people in just a few conspicuous years. Like Stalin, vinod want thems to be a statistic. But, More Stalin Than Stalin Himself, vinod would hide the actual reasons for the odd death toll statistic by concealing the religio-ethnic identities of the Yugoslavians involved.
- the christian terrorists terrorising South Korean Buddhists today are actually Koreans burning their own Buddhist temples. In fact, Vinod does not want the history books to mention any Buddhist temples. He will have it that they are Koreans burning their own buildings, that they're arsonists "for kicks" rather than the truth: that it is the specifically *christian*-motivated destruction of Buddhist places of worship.
- even though the overwhelming number of the 3 million Bangladeshis genocided by *islam* in the early 70s were *Hindu* (officially 80% of the victims) and a large number of the remainder were Buddhists - that it was merely "Bangladeshis" who fell on their own swords, raped themselves and were brutally tortured and massacred by their own hands. Such history-writing - careful as it is about avoiding certain flammable sentiments - will make Vinod feel safe and secure from "the tyranny of unsecular communal" truth-speak. Because truth obviously hurts Vinod.
- the many cases of islamic terrorists beheading Thai Buddhists or islamics blowing Thai Buddhists up are, once again, only examples of "some southeast Asians killing other southeast Asians for no apparent reason whatsoever". Vinod wants the future to remember that this uni-directional violence and terrorism in fact must have had no direction whatsoever and was just like rabies apparently: "indiscriminate madness" that occasionally affected unnamed/unnameable entities for reasons wholly mystifying.
<b>This is, after all, your (Vinod) very intention in concealing both the identity of the victims and the identity of the perpetrators of terrorism.</b> In reality, the ideological leanings/identity of criminals most certainly *matters* when these happen to be the actual driving force/impetus behind their terrorism. With your arguments to cover up just that, however, you are essentially declaring that you want the future to confuse the victims with the criminals: that "Indians blew up Indians", when it was specifically muslim terrorists who are expressly terrorising a Hindu nation - just as it was the islamic Aurangzeb, islamic Ghori, islamic Timur,... the christian Portuguese, christian French and the christian British who genocided our Hindu ancestors.
And like the communist and christian apologists for the historical genocides conducted by islamism and christianism, you are (and would like to fashion others into becoming) an apologist for ideological terrorism.
Communists and christoislamics always want to keep the religion and religious motivations of the genociders hidden, as also the religious adherence of the victims. That's because christoislamicommunazis are always on the side of the perpetrators - or, more particularly, because they themselves are (members of the ideology of) the perpetrators. They therefore go to great lengths in their propaganda against history/facts, and do everything in their power to convince people by arguing most psecularly (i.e. using doublespeak) that the genocided population should not name the genociders for what they are. Because, say the apologists, that would be "irresponsible", "morally wrong", "communal", "finger-pointing", a "blame-<i>game</i>" that will foster "ill-will" which "surely, we don't want" (forgetting that the ill-will was already there - fostered by the bible and koran - and started off very uni-directionally too and will continue unabated because the intolerance is inherent in christianism and islam).
They (as also you) are essentially arguing that "the genociders and the genocided are all the same; they have the same experiences". That is what such apologists - history-whitewashers, history-rewriters - would like the future to think as well: to create confusion as to What Really Happened and To Whom and By Whom.
You are advocating a whitewashing of history, the same that was attempted with the historical record of the wartime genocide in Yugoslavia. People who advocate psecularism=whitewashing of incontrovertible facts because it is inconvenient for their purposes or because they imagine it gives 'offense'/'discomfort' to their unaffected sensibilities (they are not the ones butchered after all), are *complicit* in the crimes they defend/seek to bury through calculated use of non-identifiable, non-distinguishable terms ("Indians") purged of factual, identifiable designations. That is, concealing a crime makes one a criminal in the eyes of the law as well. You have committed a crime against truth in arguing for the psecularisation of facts merely because you find facts/truth to be in the way of your sensibilities/purposes.
Those who value truth will not shrink from stating what is factual. But facts are of the greatest inconvenience for communists and christoislamic terrorists - because their aim is always to rewrite history, to write themselves into history as neutral bystanders or victims *exactly there* where they had been the aggressors - and thereby relieve themselves and their religion of its guilt.
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->vinodreddy gade: why do u add religion to a killer?[right][snapback]91275[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Because the killers in these cases give their religion and gawd as *reason* for committing their genocide. Because these killers generally say loudly that they will kill you for their allah, that they will conquer your land for christ and then proclaim to the world that they are faithful christians and faithful muslims.
For example, after the many christian vandalisms of Korea's Bauddha temples (images at link), this is what a proud Korean christian priest said of the faithful terrorism of the Korean christians:
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"If I acted on what I believed I, too, could have vandalized temples. When I consider those who commit such acts I think to myself that they have a much stronger faith than me."
-- Deacon Lee Bahn-Sung "a former Buddhist turned Christian", BBC-World (TV), Asia Today, May 21, 1999.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The christoislamic tends to quote directly from its koran-babble for its murderous arguments. For example:
1. People have to ask themselves why the christians, both in medieval Europe and during the invasions of the Americas, dashed babies against rocks/dashed babies brains out (a couple of examples here, and another one here). The reason is straightforward: it's all straight from the bible where their gawd commands/commits the same. And *that's* where they learnt it from.
2. Why do muslims behead kaffirs? (This is what they frequently did to the ancient "infidels" of Pars and Bharatam, and what they still do to today's "infidels" in Bauddha Thailand for instance.) Because that is how their koran tells muslims to deal with the "kaffirs".
3. Why do christoislamis advocate the inhumane barbarity of stoning adulterers to death? (Here are some examples of islamics stoning adulterers, and of christianists in America advocating the same.) The answer is that this what their bloodthirsty non-existent gawd jeebusjehovallah wants them to do to adulterers and gay people.
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->vinodreddy gade: Thats all the fact we need to recognise and who ever it is we need to fight against to save our Indians(either hindu or muslim or christians or any other religion).[right][snapback]91275[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
<b>The fact we need to recognise is that the terrorism is *ideological*</b>. It does not matter how much you may want others to remain in the dark about this until it kills us off, but it does not change the fact that the terror *has* a religion - <i>worldwide</i> it has a religion.
This religious terror is variously known as christianism, islamism, communism, nazism/fascism (the latter being a sub branch of christianism, though nazism had faithful islamic adherents too as Yugoslavian history records). These ideologies of terror are all part of the same family of mindviruses (christoclass mindviruses).
- the Hindus who were murdered by the islamics in Kashmir were merely "Kashmiris" genocided by "other Kashmiris". Because vinod finds it unsecular to give recognition to the truth of how it was not mere 'random inexplicable' genocide, but rather *religiously motivated* (and therefore <i>targeted</i>) genocide.
- both the christian nazis who genocided the Jews during (and for 1.7 millennia prior to) the nazi Holocaust, as well as the Jewish victims of this christoterorrism, were all merely "German/European citizens". Vinod wants the future to have no idea as to why 6 million "Europeans" were killed by many "other Europeans" around WWII.
- the 150/200 millions of traditional native Americans were murdered by *christians* from Europe. Vinod wants history to record that the Americans sadly killed the Americans.
- the history of the million orthodox christian Serbs systematically *butchered* by the catholic nazis of Croatia (called ustashe) in the WWII period should actually be designated as christians who were killed by other christians for some "incomprehensible" reason. Or merely as Yugoslavians met their deaths at the hands of other Yugoslavians - the same way that many an American meets their death at the hands of a burglar - but in wartime Yugaslavia's case, at the rate of about 1,000,000 people in just a few conspicuous years. Like Stalin, vinod want thems to be a statistic. But, More Stalin Than Stalin Himself, vinod would hide the actual reasons for the odd death toll statistic by concealing the religio-ethnic identities of the Yugoslavians involved.
- the christian terrorists terrorising South Korean Buddhists today are actually Koreans burning their own Buddhist temples. In fact, Vinod does not want the history books to mention any Buddhist temples. He will have it that they are Koreans burning their own buildings, that they're arsonists "for kicks" rather than the truth: that it is the specifically *christian*-motivated destruction of Buddhist places of worship.
- even though the overwhelming number of the 3 million Bangladeshis genocided by *islam* in the early 70s were *Hindu* (officially 80% of the victims) and a large number of the remainder were Buddhists - that it was merely "Bangladeshis" who fell on their own swords, raped themselves and were brutally tortured and massacred by their own hands. Such history-writing - careful as it is about avoiding certain flammable sentiments - will make Vinod feel safe and secure from "the tyranny of unsecular communal" truth-speak. Because truth obviously hurts Vinod.
- the many cases of islamic terrorists beheading Thai Buddhists or islamics blowing Thai Buddhists up are, once again, only examples of "some southeast Asians killing other southeast Asians for no apparent reason whatsoever". Vinod wants the future to remember that this uni-directional violence and terrorism in fact must have had no direction whatsoever and was just like rabies apparently: "indiscriminate madness" that occasionally affected unnamed/unnameable entities for reasons wholly mystifying.
<b>This is, after all, your (Vinod) very intention in concealing both the identity of the victims and the identity of the perpetrators of terrorism.</b> In reality, the ideological leanings/identity of criminals most certainly *matters* when these happen to be the actual driving force/impetus behind their terrorism. With your arguments to cover up just that, however, you are essentially declaring that you want the future to confuse the victims with the criminals: that "Indians blew up Indians", when it was specifically muslim terrorists who are expressly terrorising a Hindu nation - just as it was the islamic Aurangzeb, islamic Ghori, islamic Timur,... the christian Portuguese, christian French and the christian British who genocided our Hindu ancestors.
And like the communist and christian apologists for the historical genocides conducted by islamism and christianism, you are (and would like to fashion others into becoming) an apologist for ideological terrorism.
Communists and christoislamics always want to keep the religion and religious motivations of the genociders hidden, as also the religious adherence of the victims. That's because christoislamicommunazis are always on the side of the perpetrators - or, more particularly, because they themselves are (members of the ideology of) the perpetrators. They therefore go to great lengths in their propaganda against history/facts, and do everything in their power to convince people by arguing most psecularly (i.e. using doublespeak) that the genocided population should not name the genociders for what they are. Because, say the apologists, that would be "irresponsible", "morally wrong", "communal", "finger-pointing", a "blame-<i>game</i>" that will foster "ill-will" which "surely, we don't want" (forgetting that the ill-will was already there - fostered by the bible and koran - and started off very uni-directionally too and will continue unabated because the intolerance is inherent in christianism and islam).
They (as also you) are essentially arguing that "the genociders and the genocided are all the same; they have the same experiences". That is what such apologists - history-whitewashers, history-rewriters - would like the future to think as well: to create confusion as to What Really Happened and To Whom and By Whom.
You are advocating a whitewashing of history, the same that was attempted with the historical record of the wartime genocide in Yugoslavia. People who advocate psecularism=whitewashing of incontrovertible facts because it is inconvenient for their purposes or because they imagine it gives 'offense'/'discomfort' to their unaffected sensibilities (they are not the ones butchered after all), are *complicit* in the crimes they defend/seek to bury through calculated use of non-identifiable, non-distinguishable terms ("Indians") purged of factual, identifiable designations. That is, concealing a crime makes one a criminal in the eyes of the law as well. You have committed a crime against truth in arguing for the psecularisation of facts merely because you find facts/truth to be in the way of your sensibilities/purposes.
Those who value truth will not shrink from stating what is factual. But facts are of the greatest inconvenience for communists and christoislamic terrorists - because their aim is always to rewrite history, to write themselves into history as neutral bystanders or victims *exactly there* where they had been the aggressors - and thereby relieve themselves and their religion of its guilt.
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->vinodreddy gade: why do u add religion to a killer?[right][snapback]91275[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Because the killers in these cases give their religion and gawd as *reason* for committing their genocide. Because these killers generally say loudly that they will kill you for their allah, that they will conquer your land for christ and then proclaim to the world that they are faithful christians and faithful muslims.
For example, after the many christian vandalisms of Korea's Bauddha temples (images at link), this is what a proud Korean christian priest said of the faithful terrorism of the Korean christians:
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"If I acted on what I believed I, too, could have vandalized temples. When I consider those who commit such acts I think to myself that they have a much stronger faith than me."
-- Deacon Lee Bahn-Sung "a former Buddhist turned Christian", BBC-World (TV), Asia Today, May 21, 1999.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The christoislamic tends to quote directly from its koran-babble for its murderous arguments. For example:
1. People have to ask themselves why the christians, both in medieval Europe and during the invasions of the Americas, dashed babies against rocks/dashed babies brains out (a couple of examples here, and another one here). The reason is straightforward: it's all straight from the bible where their gawd commands/commits the same. And *that's* where they learnt it from.
2. Why do muslims behead kaffirs? (This is what they frequently did to the ancient "infidels" of Pars and Bharatam, and what they still do to today's "infidels" in Bauddha Thailand for instance.) Because that is how their koran tells muslims to deal with the "kaffirs".
3. Why do christoislamis advocate the inhumane barbarity of stoning adulterers to death? (Here are some examples of islamics stoning adulterers, and of christianists in America advocating the same.) The answer is that this what their bloodthirsty non-existent gawd jeebusjehovallah wants them to do to adulterers and gay people.
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 2 2008, 12:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->vinodreddy gade: Thats all the fact we need to recognise and who ever it is we need to fight against to save our Indians(either hindu or muslim or christians or any other religion).[right][snapback]91275[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
<b>The fact we need to recognise is that the terrorism is *ideological*</b>. It does not matter how much you may want others to remain in the dark about this until it kills us off, but it does not change the fact that the terror *has* a religion - <i>worldwide</i> it has a religion.
This religious terror is variously known as christianism, islamism, communism, nazism/fascism (the latter being a sub branch of christianism, though nazism had faithful islamic adherents too as Yugoslavian history records). These ideologies of terror are all part of the same family of mindviruses (christoclass mindviruses).