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3. So then, <b>have the islamaniacs ever attacked their own or the other terrorist minority and pushed the blame onto Hindus?</b>
Why yes, yes they have:
- For a while, the media, islamaniacs and pseculars speculated (as they do) that the Hindoos Did It in the both Samjhauta Express and Mecca Masjid cases. Then it turned out that the usual suspects did it after all:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Business Standard / New Delhi August 28, 2007
...
At Jihadi level, the question is why bombs should be aimed at Muslims and Muslim-majority areas. The attacks on the Samjhauta Express and on the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad are good examples of this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->More on the Mecca Masjid attack by islamists in the Bomb Blasts 1 thread
- Similarly:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-...error.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is Hindu terror?
The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra
This line of thought was first propagated when the Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. A section of the media loudly wondered why jihadi terrorists would specifically target their co-religionists and suggestively hinted at the possibility of Hindu groups coming under the investigators' scanner.
But soon the case was cracked and it was authoritatively billed as a SIMI handiwork.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- The islamic Deendar Anjuman attacks on churches were blamed on Hindus too:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/inter...lekha.html - Elst
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>11. Teesta Setalvad, Kamal Mitra Chenory and others testified before the U.S. Commission for International Religious Freedom accusing the Modi government and the VHP of conducting a âpogromâ against the Muslims. Should Indian citizens testify before commissions of inquiry set up by foreign governments?</i>Â
-- You mean the commission which swallowed John Dayalâs long-refuted allegation of a gang-rape of four nuns in Jhabua by âHindu activistsâ, who turned out to be Christian themselves? And which still believes that Hindus committed a series of bomb attacks on churches, though the culprits have been caught and identified as members of the Pak-based Deendar Anjuman? Genuine social activists like Swami Agnivesh have refused to appear before that commission on the correct plea that India is a sovereign and democratic nation which needs no lessons from the U.S.
(Elst was mistaken about the communist agnivesh.)
Democracy has brought the BJP to power, and the enemies of democracy try to overrule the votersâ verdict by appealing to higher powers such as the U.S. The term âpogromâ applies neatly to what Muslims did to Hindus in Godhra. A retaliation, by contrast, is not normally called a pogrom, unless you want to imply that the Jews who suffered in the Russian pogroms had asked for it. But there is no doubt that Hindus have massacred Muslims in Gujarat. I for one donât need a U.S. commission to prove that to me. What remains unproven, though, and in my opinion most unlikely, is that the VHP would have organized it. <b>The only ones with a vested interest in preventing riots are the Hindu nationalists, for they invariably get the blame.</b> That is why in Uttar Pradesh, Congress and Samajwadi governments have seen a much higher incidence in communal violence than BJP governments. Conversely, riots are the very life-blood of secularist politics.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By accident/islamic ineptitude, the truth came out - yet the Indian christian media and international press won't print a retraction of their lies, of course:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti.../Religious.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Similarly, a series of bomb blasts against Christian churches in South India was automatically blamed on the Hindu nationalists. In that version, the story made headlines around the world: Hindu bomb terror against Christians. Hindu organizations alleged that it was a Pakistani operation, a blame-shifting exercise which only earned them ridicule and contempt. Yet, when two of the terrorists blew themselves up by mistake, their getaway car led the police to their network, and the whole gang was arrested. It turned out to be a Muslim group, a section of the Deendar Anjuman , with headquarters in Pakistan. <b>But this was not reported on the front-pages in India nor made the topic of flaming editorials; and in the international media, it was not reported at all. In the worldwide perception of Hindu nationalism, the false association with raping nuns and bombing churches has stuck.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It has been allowed to stick <i>on purpose</i>.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25franc.htm - Francois Gautier mentions the predictable reaction of the 'Indian' press on finding out the islamically faithful nature of the perpetrators:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Or take the burning of churches in Andhra Pradesh a few months ago, which was supposed to have been committed by the "fanatic" RSS. It was proved later that it was actually the handiwork of Indian Muslims, at the behest of the ISI to foment hatred between Christians and Hindus. <b>Yet the Indian press which went berserk at the time of the burnings, mostly kept quiet when the true nature of the perpetrators was revealed.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. <b>Have christos ever attacked their own in order to blame Hindus? And have they ever been involved in major terrorist or even militant acts in India?</b>
Again: Yes on all counts.
- Cases of nuns allegedly raped by Hindus and christians 'murdered by Hindus' which were shown to be either cooked up by the usual christolies or were perpetrated by christians themselves. Summarised better here:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti...ascism/bjp.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Christian missionary lobby had aptly sensed the frustration of the India-watchers at seeing the âunexpectedâ success of the BJP in maintaining communal peace, hence its initiative to launch an international slander campaign alleging BJP atrocities against the Christians. More than ever, they could count on the foreign experts to amplify their propaganda. The world media consumer was told about the rape of four nuns and about the killing of a Christian girl and her little brother âby Hindu fundamentalistsâ; but not about the subsequent finding that the culprits had been Christians. Even the murder of Rev. Staines and his two sons could not definitively be attributed to Hindu activists, but even if could have been, this would make the death toll of the âpersecutionâ of Christians in India peanuts compared to the suffering of Pakistani or Indonesian Christians, not to mention Kashmiri Hindus.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- In Sri Lanka, christians were famous for destroying their own churches and then crying persecution: Attacks on Christian Churches are Self-Inflicted
- And let's not forget the fleeing foreign missionary Kenneth Haywood and his rather likely involvement in terrorist attacks in India
After all, it's not the first time that US missionaries have been found to aid/facilitate/plan terrorist attacks around the globe. They meddled regularly in S America, for instance. In fact, they do this all the time when their christo govt wants to break up or control a country, as they have declared they want to do to Bharatam. Christomissionaries frequently arm the christoterrorist militants in the NE (e.g. BBC's "Church backing Tripura rebels"), provide arms for Nigerian christian guerillas and more. All for the grand cause of promoting the WASPy-flavour of love for non-existent jeebus among heathens.
5. <b>Communists - same question:</b> did they ever attack a terrorist minority in order to blame it on Hindus. Yes, quite recently too. See also below.
<b>In fact, here are examples of christoislamicommunitwits attacking
each other/themselves/Hindus and blaming Hindus for it - all in this month itself:</b>
- Communist Christian attacks Churches - CPM leader accuse Sangh Pariwar! (Christocommunista tried to frame Hindus)
- DYFI Murders their own leader - Hartal against Sangh Pariwar!! (Islamaniacs kill their own)
- Are Kannur NDF Terrorists too the conspiracy of Sangh Parivar? (Islamaniacs killing Hindus, then blaming Hindus)
6. <b>Cryptos and communists have also been known to hire goons to play Hindus. Eg.</b> ASHA/AID's head Sandeep Pandey hired people to impersonate Ayodhya Sadhus and shout Rama down. And the christoislami supporter and declared communist that calls itself "swamy agnivesh" is an imposter whom the christoislamics regularly employ in his capacity as a 'Hindu' to mouth anti-Hindu tirades. Similar to how other paid non-Hindu mouths like Karan Thapar regularly condemn Hinduism even as they state they are 'secular and true Hindus'. They are not Hindus, they are just undeclared: their allegiances are elsewhere. People's allegiances ought to be judged from their actions and the entirety of their discourse, rather than from accepting their trite statements of "I am a Hindu too" (since they assume this will then buy them the right to speak on behalf of Hindus) which they conveniently time to just before they start bashing Hindus . Self-declaring Hinduness is something any person who is willing to lie can do, it does not prove nor imply Hinduness.
7. Tangential. Can we trust police for being secular or are there terrorist goons among them?
- J&K has islamofascists in the police force as per GS
- Atrocities of the communista goons in Bengal's police in Nandigram
- When the Kanchi Shankaracharya was framed and incarcerated, he was tortured by christian police in TN
- In Korea, the christo police arrested a Buddhist monk on unproven allegations.
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/3.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->May 16, 1998.
Police investigator following a tip without evidence about organized gangsters barge into a dharma hall where a special ritual is in progress, put handcuffs on a monk and take him to the police station without an arrest warrant using violent language in front of the worshippers. This case is now on trial.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->All while the same christos in the Korean police religiously avoided booking their christoterrorist brethren for the frequent anti-Buddhist vandalism.
So, are the (crypto) christoislamicommunistas in our police reliable? Oh, I don't know...
Continued below.
3. So then, <b>have the islamaniacs ever attacked their own or the other terrorist minority and pushed the blame onto Hindus?</b>
Why yes, yes they have:
- For a while, the media, islamaniacs and pseculars speculated (as they do) that the Hindoos Did It in the both Samjhauta Express and Mecca Masjid cases. Then it turned out that the usual suspects did it after all:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Business Standard / New Delhi August 28, 2007
...
At Jihadi level, the question is why bombs should be aimed at Muslims and Muslim-majority areas. The attacks on the Samjhauta Express and on the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad are good examples of this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->More on the Mecca Masjid attack by islamists in the Bomb Blasts 1 thread
- Similarly:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-...error.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What is Hindu terror?
The cutting ed: Chandan Mitra
This line of thought was first propagated when the Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. A section of the media loudly wondered why jihadi terrorists would specifically target their co-religionists and suggestively hinted at the possibility of Hindu groups coming under the investigators' scanner.
But soon the case was cracked and it was authoritatively billed as a SIMI handiwork.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- The islamic Deendar Anjuman attacks on churches were blamed on Hindus too:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/inter...lekha.html - Elst
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>11. Teesta Setalvad, Kamal Mitra Chenory and others testified before the U.S. Commission for International Religious Freedom accusing the Modi government and the VHP of conducting a âpogromâ against the Muslims. Should Indian citizens testify before commissions of inquiry set up by foreign governments?</i>Â
-- You mean the commission which swallowed John Dayalâs long-refuted allegation of a gang-rape of four nuns in Jhabua by âHindu activistsâ, who turned out to be Christian themselves? And which still believes that Hindus committed a series of bomb attacks on churches, though the culprits have been caught and identified as members of the Pak-based Deendar Anjuman? Genuine social activists like Swami Agnivesh have refused to appear before that commission on the correct plea that India is a sovereign and democratic nation which needs no lessons from the U.S.
(Elst was mistaken about the communist agnivesh.)
Democracy has brought the BJP to power, and the enemies of democracy try to overrule the votersâ verdict by appealing to higher powers such as the U.S. The term âpogromâ applies neatly to what Muslims did to Hindus in Godhra. A retaliation, by contrast, is not normally called a pogrom, unless you want to imply that the Jews who suffered in the Russian pogroms had asked for it. But there is no doubt that Hindus have massacred Muslims in Gujarat. I for one donât need a U.S. commission to prove that to me. What remains unproven, though, and in my opinion most unlikely, is that the VHP would have organized it. <b>The only ones with a vested interest in preventing riots are the Hindu nationalists, for they invariably get the blame.</b> That is why in Uttar Pradesh, Congress and Samajwadi governments have seen a much higher incidence in communal violence than BJP governments. Conversely, riots are the very life-blood of secularist politics.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By accident/islamic ineptitude, the truth came out - yet the Indian christian media and international press won't print a retraction of their lies, of course:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti.../Religious.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Similarly, a series of bomb blasts against Christian churches in South India was automatically blamed on the Hindu nationalists. In that version, the story made headlines around the world: Hindu bomb terror against Christians. Hindu organizations alleged that it was a Pakistani operation, a blame-shifting exercise which only earned them ridicule and contempt. Yet, when two of the terrorists blew themselves up by mistake, their getaway car led the police to their network, and the whole gang was arrested. It turned out to be a Muslim group, a section of the Deendar Anjuman , with headquarters in Pakistan. <b>But this was not reported on the front-pages in India nor made the topic of flaming editorials; and in the international media, it was not reported at all. In the worldwide perception of Hindu nationalism, the false association with raping nuns and bombing churches has stuck.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It has been allowed to stick <i>on purpose</i>.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25franc.htm - Francois Gautier mentions the predictable reaction of the 'Indian' press on finding out the islamically faithful nature of the perpetrators:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Or take the burning of churches in Andhra Pradesh a few months ago, which was supposed to have been committed by the "fanatic" RSS. It was proved later that it was actually the handiwork of Indian Muslims, at the behest of the ISI to foment hatred between Christians and Hindus. <b>Yet the Indian press which went berserk at the time of the burnings, mostly kept quiet when the true nature of the perpetrators was revealed.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. <b>Have christos ever attacked their own in order to blame Hindus? And have they ever been involved in major terrorist or even militant acts in India?</b>
Again: Yes on all counts.
- Cases of nuns allegedly raped by Hindus and christians 'murdered by Hindus' which were shown to be either cooked up by the usual christolies or were perpetrated by christians themselves. Summarised better here:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti...ascism/bjp.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Christian missionary lobby had aptly sensed the frustration of the India-watchers at seeing the âunexpectedâ success of the BJP in maintaining communal peace, hence its initiative to launch an international slander campaign alleging BJP atrocities against the Christians. More than ever, they could count on the foreign experts to amplify their propaganda. The world media consumer was told about the rape of four nuns and about the killing of a Christian girl and her little brother âby Hindu fundamentalistsâ; but not about the subsequent finding that the culprits had been Christians. Even the murder of Rev. Staines and his two sons could not definitively be attributed to Hindu activists, but even if could have been, this would make the death toll of the âpersecutionâ of Christians in India peanuts compared to the suffering of Pakistani or Indonesian Christians, not to mention Kashmiri Hindus.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
- In Sri Lanka, christians were famous for destroying their own churches and then crying persecution: Attacks on Christian Churches are Self-Inflicted
- And let's not forget the fleeing foreign missionary Kenneth Haywood and his rather likely involvement in terrorist attacks in India
After all, it's not the first time that US missionaries have been found to aid/facilitate/plan terrorist attacks around the globe. They meddled regularly in S America, for instance. In fact, they do this all the time when their christo govt wants to break up or control a country, as they have declared they want to do to Bharatam. Christomissionaries frequently arm the christoterrorist militants in the NE (e.g. BBC's "Church backing Tripura rebels"), provide arms for Nigerian christian guerillas and more. All for the grand cause of promoting the WASPy-flavour of love for non-existent jeebus among heathens.
5. <b>Communists - same question:</b> did they ever attack a terrorist minority in order to blame it on Hindus. Yes, quite recently too. See also below.
<b>In fact, here are examples of christoislamicommunitwits attacking
each other/themselves/Hindus and blaming Hindus for it - all in this month itself:</b>
- Communist Christian attacks Churches - CPM leader accuse Sangh Pariwar! (Christocommunista tried to frame Hindus)
- DYFI Murders their own leader - Hartal against Sangh Pariwar!! (Islamaniacs kill their own)
- Are Kannur NDF Terrorists too the conspiracy of Sangh Parivar? (Islamaniacs killing Hindus, then blaming Hindus)
6. <b>Cryptos and communists have also been known to hire goons to play Hindus. Eg.</b> ASHA/AID's head Sandeep Pandey hired people to impersonate Ayodhya Sadhus and shout Rama down. And the christoislami supporter and declared communist that calls itself "swamy agnivesh" is an imposter whom the christoislamics regularly employ in his capacity as a 'Hindu' to mouth anti-Hindu tirades. Similar to how other paid non-Hindu mouths like Karan Thapar regularly condemn Hinduism even as they state they are 'secular and true Hindus'. They are not Hindus, they are just undeclared: their allegiances are elsewhere. People's allegiances ought to be judged from their actions and the entirety of their discourse, rather than from accepting their trite statements of "I am a Hindu too" (since they assume this will then buy them the right to speak on behalf of Hindus) which they conveniently time to just before they start bashing Hindus . Self-declaring Hinduness is something any person who is willing to lie can do, it does not prove nor imply Hinduness.
7. Tangential. Can we trust police for being secular or are there terrorist goons among them?
- J&K has islamofascists in the police force as per GS
- Atrocities of the communista goons in Bengal's police in Nandigram
- When the Kanchi Shankaracharya was framed and incarcerated, he was tortured by christian police in TN
- In Korea, the christo police arrested a Buddhist monk on unproven allegations.
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/3.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->May 16, 1998.
Police investigator following a tip without evidence about organized gangsters barge into a dharma hall where a special ritual is in progress, put handcuffs on a monk and take him to the police station without an arrest warrant using violent language in front of the worshippers. This case is now on trial.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->All while the same christos in the Korean police religiously avoided booking their christoterrorist brethren for the frequent anti-Buddhist vandalism.
So, are the (crypto) christoislamicommunistas in our police reliable? Oh, I don't know...
Continued below.