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Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 3

<b>Pak-India cricket series in doldrums</b> <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo-->

CHENNAI : The Pak-India cricket summit could also not pave the way for the series between the two countries as the Indian cricket board (BCCI) cleared to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) that the series is not likely to be held in the present circumstances.

The meeting between chairman PCB Ijaz Butt and president BCCI Sashank Manohar was held here on Friday during the Asian Cricket Council’s finance committee session.

The BCCI president told the PCB chairman that in the wake of the current situation, the right to decide for sending the Indian team to Pakistan is with the Indian government and not with the BCCI.

Earlier, India’s sports minister MS Gill during the session of the Lok Sabha had opposed the Indian team’s tour of Pakistan.

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<b>Indian fighter jets violate Pakistan air space</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ISLAMABAD : Indian fighter planes Saturday violated Pakistan’s air space by entering two places in Kashmir and Lahore.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The local people were in a state of fear after the blast, sources said<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi: Dismissing Pakistan's claim that two Indian fighter jets violated the country's airspace in two separate sectors, Indian Air Force denied any such incident.

"There were no reports of Indian Air Force fighter jets violating the Pakistani air space," highly placed sources in the IAF told PTI on Saturday night.

Pakistani TV channels earlier reported that two Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace in the Lahore and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir sectors.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Till Moron SIngh is PM, don't expect anything, he is back to slumber party.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Saturday, December 13, 2008
<b>The Man Who Survived Pakistan's Gestapo</b>
Here's a tale of a Baloch tortured in Pakistan, for the crime of wanting an independent ethnic-language TV station:

The Man Who Survived Pakistan's Gestapo

Will India's human rights lobbies be interested in this?

Posted by san at 12/13/2008 10:48:00 PM 0 comments
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]<b>Pakistan and UK terror links revealed</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Three quarters of the most serious terrorist plots being investigated by the UK authorities are linked to Pakistan, Gordon Brown has said.

The Prime Minister said it was "time for action not words" in tackling the issue as he emerged from talks with Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Indian female spy arrested: Pakistani officials</b>
Saturday, 13 December , 2008, 17:30
Islamabad: Amid escalating tension between Pakistan and India in the wake of the Mumbai terrorist attacks, officials here said on Saturday that security forces had captured an Indian female spy from near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
excellent this will discourage stupid Indian women to visit Pakistan, but this is good time to send Wagah candlekissers to Pakistan.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>India should destroy Pak terror camps: Shourie</b>
PTI | Hazaribag (Jharkhand)
The Centre should ponder over destroying the training camps of terrorists in Pakistan, former Union minister and BJP leader Arun Shourie said.

The terrorist activities in India had made the people scared. And for this the Centre should seriously concentrate on the idea, Shourie told a seminar here.

Now that the Centre had the backing of all parties, it should act urgently, he said.

<b>"Pakistan is waging a proxy war as it does not want India to prosper and develop. The proxy war, which was introduced by late military ruler Zia-ul-Haque, has been continuing by successive Pakistani regimes, military or civilian. Therefore, India should deal with it strongly," </b>Shourie, also an eminent journalist, said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<b> Pakistan 'linked to 75% of all UK terror plots', warns Gordon Brown</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gordon Brown demanded <b>"action, not words"</b> from Pakistan today, blaming Pakistani militants for last month's attack on Mumbai and revealing that three quarters of the gravest terror plots under investigation in the UK had links to Pakistan.

Winding up a two-day tour of Afghanistan, India and Pakistan, the Prime Minister urged Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan's President, to "break the chain of terror" linking Islamist militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan to attempted terrorist attacks in Britain.

British military officials believe there are a <b>"handful" of British militants fighting alongside the Taleban in Afghanistan</b>, often entering the country through northern Pakistan, where al Qaeda and Taleban leaders are thought to be sheltering.

<b>Officials also believe that there are currently around 30 major terrorist plots in the United Kingdom with 2,000 suspects being watched by police and the intelligence services.

"Three quarters of the most serious plots investigated by the British authorities have links to al-Qaeda in Pakistan,"said Mr Brown in a press conference alongside Mr Zardari in the presidential palace in Islamabad. "The time has come for action, not words."</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Back from the brink </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As Parliament debated the issue, indications from South Block were that India might move to cancel the dialogue process, while holding out the threat of surgical strikes on terror camps. In fact, a quick assessment made in the war room in <b>South Block revealed that most targets were within India's artillery (45km) or Prithvi (250km) range. "We can inflict punishment without crossing the border or LoC," said an Army officer.</b>

All the same,<b> India's attempt was not to fall into the trap set by the ISI and the Pak army, who wanted to enter into some sort of a truce with the insurgents on the Afghan border and move east</b>. Interestingly, an all-party meeting held in Islamabad after the Indian sabre-rattling took note of a report that quoted an army official that the problems between Pakistan and the Taliban were based on "miscommunication and misunderstanding" and that Taliban leaders like Baitullah Mahsud and Jalaluddin Haqqani were great Pakistani patriots who would fight alongside the army against India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pak Army kills whistle-blower General
The INDIA – PAKISTAN Relationship – A proactive perspective in turbulent times of jihad and terrorism.

“There are some Islamic elements that are stateless and act independently based on their own myopic concepts of politics and has repeatedly brought about misgivings between the Islamic and non Islamic nations. They seem to have the objective of initiating a perpetual conflict between the Islamic world which doesn’t have the nuclear power and the non Islamic world that has the nuclear power. The Islamic world has to unite and take a stand on this issue more strongly than the non Islamic world as this implicates them into destruction of not their own making” – said Mr. Ramjethmalani a senior Indian parliamentarian while being interviewed by the Pakistani media on the 27th November08 ,while the struggle with the Mumbai terror attackers was still going on .

To understand this we must look deeper into the root cause.

India has faced terrorism on its soil from the pre Independence era. The communal knife had sliced the subcontinent so deeply that it resulted in the partition. It was like two brothers who were so filled with hatred and pain that they refused to look into the eye of facts and allowed themselves to be overtaken by the tide of the wrath of communal dissent .Some fractions of the society didn’t opt to be just bystanders and wanted to make someone pay for the hurt and loss of lives and they were the ones who first raised the demons of terrorism. Be it the RSS, the Hindu Mahasabha or the multiple Sikh fractions or the Muslim league bred youth wing, they all were in some way or the other responsible to the massacre that took the toll of more than 1 million human lives on both sides and displaced more than 10 times the figure of human population which was the largest in modern history.

Since then India has faced terrorism in many instances across all sides of its border from last 60 years. Whether it was state engineered from across the border or non state entities, blood of the innocents has been spilt on the Indian soil endlessly. Besides perpetual isolated and low intensity fighting, this has even caused three major conflict and war with India and Pakistan. The chaos in the Pakistani administration and the lack of a strong democratic set the Military has devised and led their own parallel foreign policy and the Pakistan government was too weak to control these elements, let it be the ISI or the various militant groups they spawned to further their own political interest in Afghanistan with the strong backing of the then US administration as an ally against the then USSR.
Pakistan in the last 20 years has been in the state of constant denial of the involvement of any Pakistani elements in the Kashmir, Sikh or the ULFA militancy .They wanted the world to believe that these were home grown militancy from the Indian own unrest and they have no connection with them even in the face of evidences that were shared between the two nations intelligence agencies from time to time.

Even today, Its hard to explain the relationship between the two nations during the Kargil conflict in 1999 when on one hand the two premiers of the nations were embracing each other at the Wagha border and usher a new era of peace and friendship, on the other hand the ISI backed infiltrators were busy killing Indian army in cold blood and capturing the Kargil territory .The dichotomy is evident by this episode where rogue elements in the state machinery were acting on their own without any respect to the government machinery.

Pakistan may have made tremendous success using their Jihad strategy in Afghanistan. To make this a success and install Taliban in Afghanistan they were supported by millions of USD, apart from the arms and ammunition supply. Many country side settlements across the porous border of Pakistan and Afghanistan people have taken to manufacturing fire arms and AK – 56 kind of arms as a cottage industry due to abject poverty. Thousands of youth from the poor tribal belts were recruited for the Jihad and trained at the secret camps against the aggressors namely USSR.

This gun culture and violence came a full circle after the USSR collapsed and the volatile situation in Afghanistan was contained by the US aggression .Now a generation of their highly sophisticated and war veterans in the Jihad camps were left with no sense purpose and it was in the best interest of Pakistan that ISI had to divert them into allied missions and campaigns in India ,China, and elsewhere in the name of Islam as they have to be contained , least they become a menace within Pakistan and cause anarchy.

The evidence of it is seen in the by commando action by Pervez Musharraf administration storming of the mosque in Karachi and the J.W Marriot episode. This reached a crescendo with the assassination of the charismatic leader Mrs. Benzir Bhutto.

Terror training schools, teaching hundreds of new and young recruits in suicide missions and the use of sophisticated weapons, have been active in many parts of Pakistan, including Punjab, the North West Frontier Province, Waziristan and Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Different terrorist groups, including the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, often with the help of former Pakistan army soldiers, run these schools or camps. The syllabus, the training and indoctrination are far more sophisticated than the pre-9/11 training camps.

Herald, a widely read English monthly published by the Dawn group of publications, reported in June 2006 about the fresh recruitment drive launched by the terrorist groups and the sprouting of training camps.

According to the several UNI reports , at least three major jihadi groups maintain their liaison and recruitment offices in the Timergara area of Lower Dir district. These include the Hizb-ul Mujahideen, Al Badr Mujahideen, now re-named as Al Suffa Foundation, and the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, renamed as Jamaat-ud-Dawa.
Other jihadi organisations that have either offices or training camps in the Timergara and Warai areas of Dir include the Jaish-e-Mohammad, which now calls itself Al Rahman Trust, the Harkat-ul-Ansar, the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and a Kashmiri group called the Pasban Millat.

Herald reported the presence of more than a thousand trained militants in three camps in the Hazara region of NWFP alone.

At about the same time, Afghan national television reported (October 5, 2006) that the Lashkar was forming suicide-bombing squads to help the Taliban fight the NATO forces and was recruiting Afghan refugees to take up arms against the Afghan government and the NATO forces.

Citing a known case of recruitment, the report said the Lashkar recruits went to the Ahl-e-hadith mosque in the Jalozai refugee camp in Peshawar where the youth were promised training and money if they agreed to join jihad.

The first terrorist leader to acknowledge this development was Jaish-e-Mohammad's Masood Azhar who wrote in his weekly column in an obscure but popular pro-Al Qaeda Urdu weekly, al Qalam, (December 2006) that 'the Lashkar-e-Tayiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad are working actively in Kashmir and they are giving the Hindus a tough time'.

He said the 'mujahideen in Kashmir were coming from Dir, North West Frontier Province and it was not possible for Musharraf to stop them'. Upper Dir is one of the northern most districts in the NWFP and borders Chitral, Swat and Malakand districts of the NWFP, in addition to Bajaur Agency in FATA.

Though India has from time to time shown evidence on the Pakistani link to the terror strikes in Kashmir from 1989, the Khalistan movement , 1993 Mumbai blast , the Kargil war or the Parliament attack in 2002 Pakistan did very little or nothing in taking cognizance against these militant camps. In fact most of the Pakistani media until the Mumbai attack on the 26th November 2008 were misleading the Pakistani people that there was virtually no connection to the bloodshed in India and projected the whole scenario as an internal conflict of India, as seen on the video footage below


But things have changed now .Growing evidence of the terrorists coming from Pakistan training camps and having their home roots from Pakistani homes has prompted US which has taken the Mumbai attack episode seriously along with UK and collectively hauled up the Pakistani administration to act or face serious consequence .Especially the lone terrorist Ajmal Amir Kasab caught alive and his connection being established to Faridkot which was substantiated by his father also accepting him as his son in front of the media .This has embarrassed the government in Pakistan and has been left with no space to maneuver any diplomatic solace.

The unanimous resolution of the UNSC on the terror links with terror outfits using Pakistani soil and the inaction of Pakistani government to tackle the situation sparks a change in the in the mindset of the world community as well from mere lip service of condolence to standing up to fight against this new phenomenon of menace. Even China, an ardent supporter of Pakistan has now changed its stand on this issue. Besides the Indian citizens have shown their impatience and anger which cannot be assuaged by anything less than final resolution to this issue.

Despite the rebuke from the world communities Pakistan has to examine its own realities and cannot be forced into a situation that is on one hand threatened by military actions on the terror camps by India apart from the arm twisting by the USA and on the other hand full scale provocation from its own rogue elements in the administration and military who are powerful people and can destabilize the government itself.

After a long period of time the People of Pakistan have been given a chance to express themselves politically and the new government is a very good development for India as well. The Indian administration can go a long way in preserving the interest of the Pakistani Democracy and still be assertive in the demand for change with a resolution that has long dogged the country. These calls for collective action and not indulge in unilateral actions.

The pace at which the Pakistani governments need to take action has to be slow and measured with phased approach to the core problem. They have to uproot the elements from the grassroots level. By first capturing the leaders of all these set ups and putting them to trial on their soil first. This will calm down the anger of the Pakistani citizens and focus their energy into zeroing on the root causes of these terror elements.

a) Improving their employment opportunities and microfinance schemes across the borders and country sides on the lines of Indian model.

b) Strengthen the economy and the financial systems that will not allow the funding of terror activities

c) Striking at will on the terror camps and apprehending the youth indoctrinated. They must be brought to the main stream by appropriate measures.

d) Take severe disciplinary action on those found to be linked with terror groups in the intelligence agencies, bureaucracy or military.

e) Combing and monitoring the borders to jointly stop infiltration of any terror elements. Joint covert actions.

d)The entire state of Pakistan has to be encircled with the combined forces of INDIA, Pakistan army and US forces to seal any attempt of the elements disappearing into the tribal belts fearing action.

Economically the country is nearing bankruptcy and all its allies including US and China have turned down financial assistance to bail them out in the last November 2008. They have no strength to wage a war or sustain it in this recession with the World Bank as their only savior

In India we have 150-200 million people who live by European standards and one billion who live in sheer poverty. Not to say that Muslims are necessarily poor, just as there are poor Hindus also, but this exposes a number of fault lines behind the Indian miracle.

Overlooking these factors India may unwittingly cause greater harm to its own interest by provoking more terror strikes on its own soil and endangering its people across all the cities .Again this can increase the risk of terror strikes within Pakistan and endanger the government with anarchy .With the war against Taliban and Al-Qaeda on one hand Pakistan cannot open another front on its eastern borders with India. If it escalates into nuclear conflict then Pakistan will perish in its foolish idea that it can protect itself with nuclear capabilities. This will allow the rogue elements to have a free will with their nefarious activities.

In that scenario

a)The Afghanistan border conflict will be at the door step of Indian western borders and we shall increase the militancy problem tenfold by taking the problems of Pakisatan into our custody.The tribal belts of Afghanistan has a historical record of violence and instability from hundreds of years and we shall constantly be forced into a perpetual war condition

b)Even the danger of nuclear weapons and bio-chemical warheads being pillaged by these forces in the absence of a government in Pakistan and holding the entire region of Indian peninsular to ransom cannot be ruled out. This has all the elements of sparking a third world war which can be the nemesis of the world.

What India must ask itself, if this is what it wants by becoming aggressive?

On the other hand within India terror strikes have created a breed of militant elements within the fractions of the fundamental and extremist outfits. Victims of terror become perpetrators giving birth to more terrorist, as people are hurt and pained and sometimes they want to hold some one accountable. This is evident from the Malegoan blast and its subsequent probe that has brought out skeletons from the closet, linking Indian ex-army people in taking vigilant actions. This means there is another set of movement that is emerging and outfits getting created on the Indian soil by its own people and taking a serious terror group identity as Hindu fidayeens that will show its anger on the minority communities further aggravating the agony of the people in India and Pakistan .

The question India needs to ponder is whether both India and Pakistan are heading into a Palestine kind of perpetual conflict that will reset the clock of progress in both the countries economically and socially. This is like playing into the hands of the militants and their schemes. By raking up the tension and bringing India into the battlefield, the attackers aim to turn Pakistan away from the Taliban and focus on tension with India. This would then defuse the pressure on the militants who find themselves cornered by the combined forces of US marines and Pakistan army.

Both the nations have to unite and take a joint stand supported by the citizens to stand up and throw these miscreants and violence mongers out of the sub continent and bring them to justice so that no more blood is spilled and the people of both the nations focus all the anger and energy into harnessing it for peace and harmony creation. Both cannot effort to go to war and nuclear conflict.

As Einstein predicted " I dont know about how the third world war will be fought, but the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and stones "

India is poised to become an economic super power and cannot effort to roll back in its economic growth apart from weathering the long hauled recession.Any military intensive conflict will send India into stone age.We have to adopt "gun boat" diplomacy and contain the issue .[SIZE=7][SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->we must look deeper into the root cause.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

sure. can not wait.
but answer it seems is not far in your analysis:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->India has faced terrorism on its soil from the pre Independence era. The communal knife had sliced the subcontinent so deeply that it resulted in the partition.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Communalism. With an appeal to pre-partition history. Right.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It was like two brothers who were so filled with hatred and pain that they refused to look into the eye of facts and allowed themselves to be overtaken by the tide of the wrath of communal dissent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

But you did not go into next level of root cause analysis of this "communalism"? What caused this "hatred and pain"?

Can you start to list down the causes of "hatred and pain" on both camps?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->India has faced terrorism on its soil from the pre Independence era. The communal knife had sliced the subcontinent so deeply that it resulted in the partition. It was like two brothers who were so filled with hatred and pain that they refused to look into the eye of facts and allowed themselves to be overtaken by the tide of the wrath of communal dissent .Some fractions of the society didn’t opt to be just bystanders and wanted to make someone pay for the hurt and loss of lives and they were the ones who first raised the demons of terrorism. Be it the RSS, the Hindu Mahasabha or the multiple Sikh fractions or the Muslim league bred youth wing, they all were in some way or the other responsible to the massacre that took the toll of more than 1 million human lives on both sides and displaced more than 10 times the figure of human population which was the largest in modern history.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Please start with looking for answers to these:

1. What was the cause of "hatred and pain" that motivated the Mopla Riots in Kerala (1920-22)? RSS was not yet formed. HMS was a non-actor.

2. What was the motivation for creation of a separate Muslim College (later Aligarh Muslim University) by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan? (BHU or the like did not yet exist). What was the root-cause for Muslim League's opposition to the intruduction of Hindi language and Devanagari script in the courts of United Provinces in 1916, when a proposal was made by people to include Hindi only as an addition to existing Urdu-Farsi? What was the root cause for their demand to uphold the exclusive control of Urdu in government function? What is communal in "Hindi-Devanagari"?

3. What was the "Hindu Communalism" in reaction to which Sir Syed, the topmost Muslim leader, stated that Hindus and Muslims could not live together unless the one conquered and put down the other? And on this basis questioned the very national character of the Indian National Congress?

4. What motivated the muslim support for a separate East Bengal in 1905? It must have been a reaction to the Hindu communalism?

5. What was communal in the Swadeshi movement, that Muslim League rose as a reaction?

6. What was communal in Vande Mataram of Bankim Chandra against which even Moslems of INC, the likes of Mawlana Azad too, reacted?

7. For the analysis of this "terrorism" or "communalism", why should we be restricted in the retrospection of history, only to "pre-partition days", meaning implicitly the post-RSS period? Why should we not travel back in time and survey the last 900 years and identify the deepest root-cause from where the cultural divide and "hatred and pain" of the "two brothers" coming from?

8. Now, talking about Pakistan, can you answer why their missiles are named after Ghori, Ghaznavi, and Abdali? Why is their port named after ibn-Quasim? None of these are "pre-partition" heroes, and I hope you know the acheivements of theirs. And I hope you understand that these names signifiy the real "Roots" of the idea behind Pakistan. Now, pray, tell me, how should India (or Hindus) reconcile with an entity that takes pride in Gaznavi, Ghori, Abdali and ibn-Quasim? Please tell us the way.
Kishore, you poor thing. You're <b>lost</b>. Now, don't panic. You can trust me. I'm known for my kind and selfless nature. (Don't choke, Bodhi, this is no laughing matter.)

Follow my instructions carefully, Kishore, and you will be safe once more:
- At the top left corner of most web browsers there will be a button with a left arrow "<" marked on it. It is generally called the Back Button.
- Now, pay careful attention, this is the difficult part: you need to <b>keep pressing the Back Button repeatedly</b> until the address bar no longer contains a URL that starts with "http://www.india-forum.com/".
Did you get it? Start carrying out my sage advice and Tadaa Toto, you're in Kansas again.

If for any reason you make me repeat the above again, I'm going to have to ask IF admin to charge you for wasting my time. Think Kishore, is it really worth parting with your money (and a lot of it) for your making a few worthless, forgettable and <i>totally wrong</i> posts? Aren't there some people in your real life you should be conning?

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To Kishore: Nothing's changed. "I'll get you, my pretty."
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 16 2008, 02:37 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 16 2008, 02:37 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->we must look deeper into the root cause.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

sure. can not wait.
but answer it seems is not far in your analysis:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->India has faced terrorism on its soil from the pre Independence era. The communal knife had sliced the subcontinent so deeply that it resulted in the partition.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Communalism. With an appeal to pre-partition history. Right.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It was like two brothers who were so filled with hatred and pain that they refused to look into the eye of facts and allowed themselves to be overtaken by the tide of the wrath of communal dissent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dear Bodhi,

Your comments are well taken.This is not a microscopic analysis .I have remained in the macro veiw point. Most of the time I find people suffering from select amnesia of historical factors.But your profound detailed comments took me by surprise.I do not want to claim that Pre independence roots have taken their toll on communalism or terrorism.But we have seen the intricate link in between both that is inseparable.

I feel Your comments need a full justified response.So I shall revert back to you shortly on my views on the same.

With kindest regards,

Kishor Jagirdar
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shoaib suggests Twenty20 league for Pakistan

Cricinfo staff

December 16, 2008

<b>Shoaib Akhtar said one way to get foreign players to tour Pakistan was to start a professional Twenty20 league in the country © AFP</b>

Shoaib Akhtar has suggested Pakistan start its own Twenty20 league to keep cricket alive in the country, which has suffered from a lack of international cricket this year. <b>He said he knew of wealthy individuals and companies in Pakistan and abroad who would be keen on investing in such a venture.</b> <i>(There is one rich sheik who is ready and willing and already has a team! )</i>

"We need to find our own solution or else cricket will die in Pakistan," Shoaib said. <b>"The money is there and that is one way to get foreign players to play in our country."</b> <i>(the other is ofcourse to kidnap and make them play!)</i>

His words echo what former captain Ramiz Raja suggested in a column for Cricinfo on Monday: starting a Pakistan Premier League to help generate funds and induce international players to play in Pakistan.

"It is unfortunate that we don't have international cricket despite the assurances that our country is safe," Shoaib said. "So I suggest we inject money and have a tournament like the IPL, our PPL, so that foreign players come here and play."

Asked how international players would be involved given the security concerns, Shoaib said it would be up to the organisers to convince them. "We must convince them it is safe to play in Pakistan and offer them good money so that they come. Once our own PPL takes off, our international cricket will also be helped."

Last year the Pakistan board announced its decision to launch a Twenty20 league comprising six franchised teams belonging to corporate groups. The league, planned for September 2009, was conceived following the success of the Indian Premier League.

Pakistan have played no Tests this year and if India choose to cancel their tour scheduled for early next year it could jeopardise Pakistan's chances of hosting the postponed Champions Trophy in September 2009.

"The Indians and other teams need to show the same respect [shown by England by touring India] for our cricket and play in our country if our government is giving them security assurances," Shoaib said.

Shoaib is currently playing the domestic one-day Pentangular tournament, which features most of the national players, since Pakistan have no international cricket lined up till January. He last played for Pakistan in December 2007 and said he was working on his fitness in the hope of extending his career till the next World Cup in 2011. "I am going to nurse myself through matches. If I can do that properly I see myself completing 400 wickets in one-dayers."

© Cricinfo<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>Hindus rally for Muslim charity  </span>

Hundreds of members of Pakistan's Hindu community have turned out to protest on behalf of a Muslim charity accused by India over the deadly Mumbai attacks.

The protesters in the city of Hyderabad in Sindh province complained that Jamaat-ud-Dawa was not a terrorist organisation and should not be banned.

They said it was a "saviour" in providing food and water.

Many in Pakistan's minority Hindu community are poor farm workers.

One protester, Biga Ram, told Reuters news agency: "How can an organisation be terrorist if it's been providing food and water to us despite knowing that we're not Muslims?"

She added: "They're friends of humanity. We condemn the ban. It's unjust."

Some of the banners read: "Do not ban our saviour!"

Bhai Chand, a Hindu community leader, told Associated Press the charity had set up water wells in the desert.


<img src='http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45303000/jpg/_45303860_hyap.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

so those poor farm-labourers made all those placards with neat handwriting?
And BBC which took it upon itself to report the above news promptly, would ignore these reports which only vernacular press would run:

"Convert or Leave", the clear message from the establishment to the Hindu families living in Terroristan, in wake of Mumbai terror. Sudden spurt in gang rapes on Hindu ladies is reported. Many Hindu families have fled their homes and are camping at Indian Embassy in Terroristan seeking asylum.

Jagran reports the eyewitness account reported by Hindu families that arrived in India by Samjhauta Express.

<span style='color:red'>मजहब बदलो, या फिर देश </span>
Dec 16, 11:10 pm

अमृतसर, जागरण संवाददाता। मुंबई आतंकी हमले के बाद भारत-पाकिस्तान के बीच संबंधों में आई 'खटास' का 'कहर' पाक में रहने वाले हिंदू परिवारों पर टूटने लगा है। पिछले कुछ दिनों में हिंदू परिवारों की महिलाओं से दुष्कर्म एवं उनकी दुकानें व घरों को लूटा गया। उन्हें मजबूर किया जा रहा है कि या तो वह मजहब बदल लें या फिर देश। हिंदू परिवार वहां से पलायन करके यहां आ रहे हैं।

सोमवार को समझौता एक्सप्रेस से आए दो हिंदू परिवारों ने अपनी दुखभरी कहानी मीडिया को बताई। वहां से आने वालों में खन्या देवी [50] मुकेश [30], शोभा [28], शिवानी [4], वीर [2], सुरेश कुमार [25], कविता [23], साइना [7], शिवराज [4] व विसाखा [3] शामिल हैं। सिंध प्रांत से भारत पहुंचे दोनों परिवारों ने कहा कि वह किसी कीमत पर पाकिस्तान नहीं जाना चाहते। अगर भारत सरकार ने उन्हें यहां पर रहने की इजाजत नहीं दी तो वे पूरे परिवार के साथ ट्रेन से कटकर जान दे देंगे। हिंदू परिवारों का कहना है कि पाक में वही हाल दोहराया जा रहा है जो बंटवारे के दौरान हुआ था। वहां के जमींदार व पुलिस खुद यह घिनौना खेल खेलने में लगी है।

उन्होंने कहा कि पाकिस्तान में अब हिंदू परिवारों का रहना मुश्किल हो गया है। बहू-बेटियों से दुष्कर्म किया जा रहा है। बच्चों को अगवा करके फिरौती मांगी जा रही है। वहां के हुक्मरान का यही सवाल है कि या तो मजहब बदल लो या फिर देश। उन्होंने बताया कि 45 दिन का वीजा उन्हें मिला है, लेकिन वह भारतीय हुकूमत से भारत में शरण देने की गुजारिश करेंगे। इन लोगों का कहना है कि ऐसे करीब 35 हिंदू परिवार हैं जो कि भारत आने के लिए पाकिस्तान स्थित भारतीय दूतावास के चक्कर लगा रहे हैं।


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<b><span style='color:red'>India have called off their tour of Pakistan in January and February following an order from the government.</span></b> The series was in doubt following a deterioration in relations between the two countries, a fallout from the Mumbai attacks which India alleges had links to elements in Pakistan.

"We have received a letter from Indian Goverrnment stating that in the prevailing circumstances, India's tour of Pakistan is not feasible", Ratnakar Shetty, the BCCI's chief administrative officer, told Cricinfo.

MS Gill, the Indian sports minister, had earlier said he was not in favour of the team travelling to Pakistan.

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<b>NEW DELHI : <span style='color:red'>The Board of Control for Cricket in India has been told by the government not to proceed with the tour taking into account the 'recent developments in Mumbai', a top BCCI official said.</span></b> <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>( Watch )</span></b>

External affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee and sports minister MS Gill have also personally talked to BCCI president Shashank Manohar to convey their decision.

"The proposed tour of the Indian cricket team to Pakistan stands cancelled," BCCI official Rajeev Shukla told reporters.

India's Test and One-day tour due to start in the first week of January was in serious doubt due to strained bilateral relations between the neighbours following last month's militant attacks in Mumbai.

<b><span style='color:red'>The Pakistan Cricket Board could lose potential earnings of around $20 million if India cancel their tour starting next month, a cricket official said on Thursday.</span></b>

India were supposed to play 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and a Twenty20 match on the tour.

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<b>Pakistan cricket suffers setback as India calls off tour</b>

LAHORE : <b>Pakistan cricket was jolted Thursday when the Board of Cricket Control in India (BCCI) called off its cricket team’s tour of Pakistan early next year,</b> following a directive from the government that it was not feasible ‘in the prevailing circumstances.’ The series was in doubt following deterioration of relations between the two countries, a fallout of the Mumbai terrorist attacks which India alleges had links to elements in Pakistan.

<b>The decision to withdraw from the tour will raise concerns over the 2011 World Cup to be staged jointly by India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Pakistan’s chances of hosting the postponed ICC Champions Trophy next year have also been hit hard as their status as the hosts depended on a security review that was to be conducted during India’s visit.</b>

“The PCB today received an email from the BCCI which officially conveyed that its cricket team will not visit Pakistan to undertake their scheduled tour under the ICC Future Tour Programme. In his message, BCCI president Shashank Manohar said the government has refused to grant permission to the Indian cricket team to tour Pakistan in the prevailing circumstances,” a spokesman for the PCB told reporters at the Gaddafi Stadium here yesterday. He said India had said they can’t play the series in the existing conditions and when things improve they would discuss it further. The Indian government directive does not come as a surprise, with public opinion in India, as well as that of former cricketers, administrators and politicians, largely against the tour. A series of Indian newspaper reports quoted government sources as saying the tour would be called off and, last week, India’s sports minister MS Gill said he was not in favour of the team travelling to Pakistan.

The PCB official called the decision of the Indian government disappointing. “It is disappointing for us but we were expecting this. We still maintain sports should not be mixed with politics. <b>We believe cricket can help improve relations between the two nations. ]Pakistan have gone without Test cricket for more then a year now and we are desperate to have international cricket at home.”</b> He said Pakistan-India was always a major series. India have toured many times since 2004 so it is disappointing that such a major team, with so many superstars, would not be coming. <b>There had been talk of the series being possibly played at a neutral venue in the Middle East, but that scenario has also been ruled out. “Right now, there is no cricket between the two at neutral venues or anywhere.</b> We are still on normal terms with the BCCI. This is a decision that was neither in our hands nor theirs,” he maintained.

Political tensions have forced the cancellation of previous series between the neighbours. In 2004, India toured Pakistan for a full series for the first time in almost 15 years following a thaw in tensions. The Indians went on to clinch their first Test-series win on Pakistan soil. In 2006, led by Rahul Dravid, the Indian team again visited Pakistan to play three Test matches and five ODIs. This was India’s seventh tour of Pakistan since 1954. Pakistan won the Test series 1-0, with a 341-run victory in Karachi, while the first and the second Tests played in Lahore and Faisalabad ended in draws. However, the hosts were unable to maintain the winning run in the ODIs: having won the first tie out of five, Pakistan lost the remaining four against a comparatively young Indian side. Pakistan have toured India twice: 2005 and 2007. <b>The PCB last month signed a five-year, $140.5 million television deal with the Gulf-based Taj Entertainment Network, but it includes a clause, which stipulates that if a series is cancelled, nothing will be paid.</b>

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