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I recommend that we start a thread on Bobby Jindal

The reason, is he is a competent EJ and likely to get elected as President

Several articles pasted into one post:
- http://kwelos.tripod.com/marxism.htm
<b>Buddhism and Marxism: persecutions in Tibet, USSR, Mongolia, Cambodia/Kampuchea - and the evangelical aftermath.</b>
- http://kwelos.tripod.com/russia.htm
- http://kwelos.tripod.com/mongolia.htm
- http://kwelos.tripod.com/memes.htm
I don't think a coconut like Jindal can become president. His base is the right-wing Xtian nuts. While they may vote for him in Louisiana which is a very racially divisive Black-White State, in other Midwestern states/Texas etc they won't vote for him. Also his rivals in the Republican party should plant rumors that he is a Hindu. This will scare the superstitious Evangelicals to stay away from him.

<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Sep 12 2008, 06:09 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Sep 12 2008, 06:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Moderator Alert

I recommend that we start a thread on Bobby Jindal

The reason, is he is a competent EJ and likely to get elected as President
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->63 priests in Kerala face criminal charges
Don Sebastian
http://www.dnaindia.com/ report.asp?newsid=1128496
Offences include murder, rape, molestation, assault, abduction, theft and cheating...

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Forget the sheep, the Church has a tough task ahead in reclaiming its lost shepherds. If the data released by the Kerala Police is any indication, the weeds have spread among the wheat.

<b>As many as 63 Christian priests in the state face criminal charges pending against them,</b> reveals documents yielded as per the Right to Information Act.

Murder, attempt to murder, rape, molestation, assault, abduction, theft, break-in, cheating…almost every offence under the Indian Penal Code —and of course, the Ten Commandments — has been committed by the deviant priests. Worse, the biblical whitewashed tombs are still at the helm of affairs in parishes.
Atrocities on Hindus by missionaries in Goa (6 PART SERIES) by V Sundaram


Christian fundamentalism and the media in South India
by Pradip N. Thomas

Gsub: What do you think about "Feed My Starving Children" ?

<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Sep 16 2008, 03:21 PM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Sep 16 2008, 03:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gsub: What do you think about "Feed My Starving Children" ?

What about it?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Feeding God's Starving Children Hungry in Body and Spirit<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

There it is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Sep 17 2008, 05:47 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Sep 17 2008, 05:47 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Sep 16 2008, 03:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swamy G @ Sep 16 2008, 03:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gsub: What do you think about "Feed My Starving Children" ?

What about it?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Feeding God's Starving Children Hungry in Body and Spirit<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

There it is.


History of FMSC
Feed My Starving Children was founded as a Christian nonprofit in 1987 through the efforts of a Minnesota businessman who felt called by God to help feed the starving children of the world during a humanitarian visit to Honduras. He returned to the Twin Cities to develop a method of large-scale relief.


Besides why even consider a charity that is not strongly pro-hindu
such as Foodrelief.org

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So how do the converts find Jesus? In India, one of the most successful church planting networks is Operation Agape ('unconditional love' in Greek), which began in 1995 in central India as an "experiment" devised by Germany-based church strategist Wolfgang Simson and his Indian collaborator, Dr Alexander Abraham, professor of neurology and head of community heath department, Christian Medical College, Ludhiana. Its predecessor was the project of Prince of Peace, launched on January 1, 1989.

By the mid-1990s, when "spying missions" were despatched to India by US-based transnational missionary organisations (TMOs), it was part of the larger conversion mission, AD2000 and Joshua Project. Abraham's commentary in a film produced by Agape reveals that "by the mid-1990s, a growing realisation for the need for a systematic church planting effort covering the entire state was gaining momentum. We held a systematic grassroots level harvest force research in 1998 and the results were an eye-opener for us. There were 262 pin code areas in Punjab without any churches in 1998. In the next three years, however, all the 491 postal code areas in the state gained entry into the church map." This was possible due to the research and survey conducted by Brother Issac Dutta, research coordinator, Punjab, Operation Agape. "God gave me the burden of Punjab in 1997. I started my research in 1997. My team and I visited 1,100 Christian workers in the whole of Punjab, collecting data from them on who was working in different villages, blocks and districts," Dutta explained.

The North India Harvest Network, also started by Abraham, used the 'Pin Code survey' conducted by the Indian Missions Association, Chennai, to generate ethno-graphic data in the North Indian states. The data has armed the US intelligence agencies for they now have unparalleled access to the remotest corners of India and are-again, pincer like-bringing areas into "the fold" by secretly unleashing pastors in different blocks and districts.


The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.

· Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)

· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)

· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)

· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).

· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)

· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).

2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.

3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.

4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.

5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.

6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.

7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.

8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Karnataka: Govt orders probe into flow of foreign funds

BANGALORE: Facing criticism for the recent spate of attacks on churches in Karnataka, the BJP government on Tuesday ordered a probe into the flow of foreign funds to some organisations saying that the money was being used for converting Hindus into Christianity.

"It has come to the knowledge of the state government that some organisations are using foreign funds, they are getting, for conversion of majority Hindus into Christianity," Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa charged and declared that such things would not be allowed.

"In the backdrop of reports about forcible conversions in parts of the state, which led to attacks on churches, the government has ordered a scrutiny of such accounts which receive foreign funds for conversion," he told reporters after chairing a high-level meeting to review the law and order situation in the troubled areas.

Attributing conversions as the main reason for Sunday's attack on churches and prayer halls in parts of two coastal districts and Malnad region's Chikmagalur, he said he had ordered an enquiry into the foreign funds that were being deployed for conversions.

Yeddyurappa charged the opposition Congress and JD(S) with attempting to destabilise his government and also rejected their demand for a judicial probe into the attack on churches.

He also rejected the opposition demand for his resignation and that of Home Minister Dr V S Acharya and shot back asking, "will the UPA government quit office because of terror strikes?"

Yeddyurappa said that the attacks had taken place in areas where there was conversion activity taking place and said stern action would be taken against those responsible.

Despite the mounting tension, Mangalore, the scene of violent protests remained calm on Tuesday and observed a bandh called by the Sri Ram Sena. Shops, business establishments and educational institutions remained closed, police said.

They said about 170 persons have been arrested in connection with the attacks on churches in Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.

As a precautionary measure, the authorities extended the prohibitory orders clamped in Mangalore till September 19. On Sunday, the ban order was imposed for three days.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mohammed Shariff & Jayadevan P K |ENS
17 Sep 2008 04:57:00 AM IST

BANGALORE: The roots of New Life Church, which was targeted by Hindu activists in Karnataka for allegedly being involved in conversions, can be traced to the USA with headquarters in Colorado Springs.

The New Life Church is a non-denominational Evangelical Protestant Christian church with subsidiaries in India and other South East Asian countries.

According to sources, in India, New Life Foundation, inspired by Ted Haggard, is active in Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.

Pastor Haggard, who founded New Life in 1984 in the United States, however, had to quit the Church a couple of years ago for allegedly buying drugs and hiring a male prostitute for a massage.

Sources said the church in India has borrowed literature from the New Life Church in the US.

However, sources from New Life Churches in India said they have no connection with the New Life Church chain in the US.

Joshua, chief instructor, Ministries, New Life Church, told to this website's newspaper, "U M Samuel and his wife Somi began the chain in Mangalore, Karnataka in 1980s and then spread it to Bangalore later. The church has ministries working in Bangalore, Mangalore, Udupi and has a training centre in Kamanahalli.

The operations of these branches are funded by its institutions in US, UK and Denmark" "The church does not come under conventional churches, it does not work under any diocese, and it has good relations with high ranking clergy of all sects. The church preaches Catholic Christianity and undertakes missionary work," said Joshua

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Harvest India
Harvest India is the bi-monthly English magazine of India Bible Literature. It has the reports of I.B.L. ministries, testimonies and powerful messages. Distributed free of cost for those who write and ask for it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of the prayer halls attacked belonged to Harvest India church per the TOI report on 1st day. (courtesy Singha on BRF).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Child Evangelism Fellowship Specialized Book Ministry, Northern Ireland, UK , has been partnering with us in publishing books for child evangelists and volunteer teachers since 2002. It is a five-year project, printing and distributing one-pack each year.

So far, we have published Children's Workers' Pack I, II & III containing text books accompanied by relevant visualized lessons along with one year Teaching plan.

Sam Doherty, the author of most of these books as an expert, elicits the doctrine from stories and helps teachers to express the biblical truth in a systematic way.

The titles of three sets of CEF books published so far are given below :

<img src='http://c.imagehost.org/0573/harvest.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

The Telugu lipi booklet says:

dEvudu evaru (who is god)

The Hindi one says:

balya ko dharmik siddhanth kaise sikhaye (how do u teach children the right philosophy)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Satya Darshini - the reason for attacks?

DH News Service, Mangalore: 

As Bajrang Dal claims, the basic reason for its ire against the New Life prayer halls, is a book titled 'Satya Darshini' where the Hindu gods and goddesses have been shown in a bad light hurting the religious sentiments...

According to Bajrang Dal state convener Mahendra Kumar, this ‘humiliating literature’ is being circulated among the society encouraging conversion of Hindus.

As per the available pages of ‘Satya Darshini,’ the book has been originally written in Telugu (Ruju Darshini) by one Rev Paravastu Sooryanarayana, which has been translated to Kannada by Sriramreddy of Bangalore, and revised by Rev Samson S Malekar of Davangere. The editor of the book is A G Prakash of Suvarta Sevadal, Bellary.

Rev Paravastu Sooryanarayana published the original book through his Karunamaya Ministries, based in Hyderabad. According to the book, he took his birth in a traditional Brahmin family and was educated in Jagannathamutt Vidyapeeth. He was the chief priest (archak) in Sri Lakshminarayanaswamy Temple, and later embraced the teachings of Jesus Christ.

In his book, Sooryanarayana interprets select verses (shlokas) from various Hindu epics and explains why did he dislike the religion, the gods and goddesses. Analysing one such verse, the books states “Like human beings, the divine people also commit sins. Nara and Narayan did the same..... In fact, Rama and Krishna are not at all divine incarnations. They took birth like humans, committed sins and experienced its after effects. Hence, they are not gods and cannot give salvation (mukthi)...” (page 44).

In another chapter, it is stated “Madigas eat meat. Brahmins eat ghee, produced from cow’s fat. What is the difference between Madigas eating meat and Brahmins eating fat?” (page 48). Another explanation on the same page says, “Seer Vasishta, the mentor of Sri Rama, is the son of a prostitute, Urvashi.... Vashishta made her his own wife... Brahmins are the progeny of this couple... Hence, Brahmins are Shudras.”

“Sri Krishna is not light; he is darkness. One who is not light cannot be a god... If Sri Krishna is not eligible to hold Shamantakamani, how can he relieve you from sins? Himself being in darkness, how can you provide light?” the book asks (page 49, 50) analysing the incident of Shamantakamani from Vishnupurana.

Regard FMCS.org, I did read their history and background. And they are inspired by Christian faith. I wanted to know if they were doing anything explicitly against Hindu faith.

And I did not go looking for them, I just came to know about the organization.
Blog of Dr Achraya, HM of Karnataka.....Pretty revealing pics in there:

HM of Karnataka

Creating the image of victims and target is part of the main strategy.

First is to provoke the society with something and then show that they are victims of violence.
It is designed to create anger within their community which will mobilize their community with zeal.

The first provoking act is conveniently ignored and never discussed.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So the pattern of any violence in Mangalore follows a pattern: some issue- blown out of proportion by interested elements- outrage in some community- logic takes a back seat- arson/ riot/ looting/ damage to public property / attack on police follows...when culprits are arrested- a team of oppostion leaders/ intellectuals parade in the city/ hospitals/ media demanding for CBI enquiry, release of all arrested and resignation of all concerned !
Alas! the poor common man does not understand the designs of these "out of power" politicians!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I happen to know the nephew of the HM and looks this thing is being analysed quite closely.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Sep 17 2008, 09:04 PM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Sep 17 2008, 09:04 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Regard FMCS.org, I did read their history and background. And they are inspired by Christian faith. I wanted to know if they were doing anything explicitly against Hindu faith.

And I did not go looking for them, I just came to know about the organization.

Anything xtian is anti-hindu
A xtian reported the following as abuse
to rediff

The comments were regarding Akshaya patra


What an achievement!!
by Rudran on Sep 19, 2008 03:07 AM Permalink | Hide replies

Kudos to the team. Wonderful gesture of humanity. 10 Laksh meals a day...my god. its mind boggling.
As someone commented in another discussion board, the xtian missionaries do 1% and claim 10% and here this org. is doing such a mammoth task. really a great and noble task for a noble cause.
Catholic Culture
Thomas Digal, 36, and Brahmanand Digal, 41, came there from Kandhamal's Dimiriguda village on Sept. 13 with a list of items Hindu extremists gave them to buy for a conversion ceremony set for two days later. The zealots told the Catholics to come prepared for the ritual or face death, along with a third option: move out of the area.

"What to do? What will we tell them?" asked an agitated Father Dushmanth Naik, who formerly served at their parish, as he spoke with UCA News. "We cannot provide them security. It is not easy to tell them to face death with families. We have no alternatives."

The village is among 12 mission stations under Pobingia parish. Kandhamal lies within the territory of Cuttack-Bhubaneswar archdiocese.

The current Pobingia parish priest, Father Prasanna Singh, told UCA News on Sept. 16 that he had "no idea" what happened to his people after the planned Hindu conversion ceremony. "I do not know. I have no information," he said.

He had said three days earlier that most of the 100 Catholic families in his parish had left the faith. "I have become a pastor without a flock, and they have become a flock without a pastor," the priest lamented.

The Hindu "conversion" campaign continues in all 14 Catholic parishes in Kandhamal where no Masses have been held since the violence started. Hindu militants have banned priests and other Church workers from these areas.
Hey Gsub -

I was just wondering if you or anyone else might know approximately how many millions (or is it billions) of dollars is funneled into Bharat each year for subversive Xtian activities?
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Sep 20 2008, 09:01 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Sep 20 2008, 09:01 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey Gsub -

I was just wondering if you or anyone else might know approximately how many millions (or is it billions) of dollars is funneled into Bharat each year for subversive Xtian activities?

Officially it is $2billion a year
Unofficially it is $75 billion a year

The global evangelical budget is $200 billion a year per Arun Shourie
assume at least 25% is sent to India

The growth in the Indian economy will neutralise this to a large extent
and if the rupee rises wrt western currencies

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