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New victims ready to be harvested by Congress.
<b>Brahmins talk tough on poll eve</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The community indicates it is no longer loyal to a single party at the two-day Bhoogaon convention

The fifth Bahubhashik Brahmin Mahaadhiveshan, where around 50,000 Brahmins from across the country gathered on Saturday, at Bhoogaon - a village near the city - gave a strong indication that the community will no longer be loyal to any single party. <b>With Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit and city Congress MP Suresh Kalmadi being the prominent faces on the dais</b>, political pundits were left wondering which way the wind was blowing ahead of the Lok Sabha polls, given the <b>presence of around four lakh Brahmin voters in Pune</b>.

<b>The two-day convention, which saw the presence of religious leaders like Jayendra Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Kanchi Kamkoti Peeth, Pejawar Peethadhishwar Vishwesh Ramteertha and Swami Ramdev Baba, passed a resolution that said, "the community should go beyond the thoughts of various political parties."</b>

<b>The convention saw leaders of Congress, BJP and Sena sharing the dais</b>. <b>Prominent were Shiv Sena MP Suresh Prabhu, BJP MLA Girish Bapat and corporators Vikas Mathkari and Shyam Deshpande</b>. Significant by its absence was Bahujan Samaj Party, whose leader Satish Mishra, though invited, did not turn up for the inauguration.

The political resolution raised many an eyebrow as the community is seen as a traditional vote bank of BJP in the state. The other noticeable part was the presence of Congress leaders on dais, showering praises on Brahmin community. On the flip side, no BJP leader was invited to give a speech.

According to political analysts, the BJP candidate from Pune Lok Sabha constituency will be from the Maratha community, with covert support of the NCP, which has a strong base in the community. It is to negate this that the <b>Congress is trying to gain support of the Brahmin community</b>, considered loyal to the BJP, they say.

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http://o3.indiatimes.com/lalupm
I think elections are mostly about perception e.g. Joe, the plumber did make headlines for some time but Obama always gave the perception that he will win. For example, perception in UP is either BSP or SP will win; so, no amount of gimmicks can change that perception. Think of it, if it happens all across nation, God save Congress. NCP is already flexing it's arms by asking for PM's post. Lalu has declared so many times that some day, he will be PM. so, there are good no. of chances that UPA may be in splinters post election.
Is this issue a big deal in Karnataka ? In the goondagiri shown by the sena people, they have perhaps side-tracked the whole issue of blind-westernization. The argument put forward by this seemingly intelligent man is weird. He is saying nothing should be done by society, everything is upto the parents to do. I dont think he has logically thought through this argument - eg then what role can a society play ? Anyway i digress.

Main ques - how big of a deal is this politically in Karnataka ?


http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/29-app...e-attackers.htm

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Do you think the Shri Ram Sena is justified in seeking a ban on pubs to 'protect Indian culture'?</b>

Banning pubs is not the solution. Such incidents are like terror attacks -- they will not stop even if you shut down pubs. I think that the new anti-terror laws should be applicable to the perpetrators of such attacks.

<b>Do you think the Shri Ram Sena should be banned?</b>

Banning the Shri Ram Sena is not the solution. A ban on the entire Sangh Parivar would help prevent such incidents in the future.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ananthamurthy is a hard core commie like Praful Bidwai
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/St...on+a+power+trip

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahead of the Lok Sabha polls, Muslim clerics of Azamgarh, an alleged nursery of terror some 800 km southeast of New Delhi, are raising new emotions and money over a 2008 shootout, an emotive issue for the town’s two-lakh residents.     

<b>The Ulama Express, a train hired for Rs 13 lakh</b>, is proof of how well their plan has worked. Clerics from the Ulama Council pressed people for donations to get justice for three slain sons of the soil - the terror suspects gunned down in a shootout in a flat in a building called Batla House in South Delhi on September 19 last year.

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The train to Azamgarh is being watched closely in Muslim settlements and political offices across Uttar Pradesh. If it does succeed in becoming an independent Muslim political movement -- none of which has ever seen significant success in independent India —- it will upset the electoral balance in UP.

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Rashadi minces no words. <b>His favourite slogan: “Hamein lalkaroge to pachtaoge (Dare not provoke us. You will regret it.)”</b>

Among the applauding crowds is a young boy, Arshad Abdullah, who claimed he was slain terror suspect Atif Amin's sparring partner, his rival in school. He called Amin “a martyr”, as does everyone else.

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At Lucknow station, the situation threatens to flare up. “Mayawati get lost. Death to ATS,” Rashadi's supporters shout, as policemen look on nervously.  ATS is the acronym for UP's Anti-Terrorism Squad. Passengers at the platform, sensing trouble, run helter-skelter, as the clerics sound increasingly more menacing. Police finally rein them in.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mayawati inducts son of Jamat-e-Ulema chief into BSP
In an apparent bid to appease minority voters ahead of the Lok Sabha elections, Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) chief Mayawati on Saturday inducted a prominent leader of the Jamat-e-Ulema into her party.

Mehdood Madani, son of Jamat-e-Ulema Hind national president, Asad Madani, joined BSP in the presence of Mayawati.

The Jamat-e-Ulema Hind has a good hold on the Islamic seminary in Deoband. Mehdood's brother Mehmud Madani is a Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) leader and the two siblings have been reportedly at loggerheads for the past few years.
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<b>Praja Rajyam to highlight caste achievements
</b>

Express News Service
First Published : 31 Jan 2009 08:34:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 31 Jan 2009 01:24:41 PM IST

HYDERABAD: In an attempt to enlighten BCs on securing power, the Praja Rajyam Party (PRP) is going to hold week-long programmes from February 1 to 7. During the week, each day’s programmes will be dedicated to the name of different historical personalities belonging to the BCs.

PRP general secretary Allu Aravind announced the programme at a media meet here today. He said the week-long programme would be christened ‘Mahatma Jyothirao Phule BC Enlightenment Week’. As part of it, Assembly constituency-level conventions would be held. Aravind said though the BCs constituted 48 to 52 per cent of the State’s population, they were being kept away from political power. After PRP president Chiranjeevi’s exhortations on empowering BCs, all parties had started showering boons on them, he said.

The programme on February 1 would be dedicated to the memory of Pragada Kotaiah. The next day would be called ‘Katamaraju Memorial Day’ while February 3 would be called ‘T Venkataswami Raju, Maharshi Valmiki Day’.

February 4 would be observed as the day of Chakali Ilemma and poetess Molla while February 5 as Gouthu Lachanna, D Venkata Reddy and Sarvai Papanna Memorial Day, Aravind said.

Programmes on February 6 will be held in the names of Pothuluri Virabrahmendra Swami and his disciple Siddaiah while those on the next day will be held in the name of Sathyalingam Nayakar. Allu Aravind also said district-level BC conventions would be held in due course and a State-level meet with a large number of BCs would soon be held.

Replying to a question, Allu Aravind said he could not tell the exact number of Assembly tickets to be given to the BCs in the next elections. However, his party would try to correct the injustice done by the other political parties, he asserted. Speaking on the Kesineni Srinivas (Nani) episode, he said since the issue was before the disciplinary committee of the party, he could not comment on the allegations made by Srinivas against him.
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jan 30 2009, 02:52 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jan 30 2009, 02:52 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ananthamurthy is a hard core commie like Praful Bidwai
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Isnt he a sarkari Leftist 'intellectual" and gets Govt patronage. I think Bhyrappa tore him to shred some time back. Should post the fact that he isnt unbiased as the ReDiff suggests.

Also are there fualtlines in SP in UP. My line is are all SP supporters mullafied? IOW are Yadavs on SP on the half way path to getting converted?
my father was the lawyer for Gouthu Lachanna for many years and he used to play with us while growing up! Good to see there is some commomeration for him.
the BJP is likely to put up a very good show in the states where they are strong. My estimates for the NDA are as follows.

TN - 0
Kerala -0
Karnataka - 21
Maharashtra- 33 (BJP-14)
Gujarat-22
MP-23
Chattisgarh-10
Orissa-17 (BJP-7)
Jharkhand-11 (especially if they get Babulal Marandi on their side)
Bihar-30 (BJP - 10)
Assam-5 (BJP-2)
UP-5 (some seats like Gorakhpur will stay BJP...)
Uttarakhand-4
HP-3
Jammu-1
Punjab-5 (BJP-2)
Haryana-6 (BJP-3: after all in Haryana, INLD-BJP alliance for the Lok Sabha is equitable)
Delhi-3 (I still feel 3 LS seats in Delhi is quite possible)
Rajasthan-11
Other states-0

Total NDA-210 (BJP-152)

This gives around 210 seats to NDA (approx. 150 BJP). Overall, I think thisis reasonable though I may be off in a few states. For ex: Raj. LS performances by the BJP were very good in 1999 even though their assembly performance was horrible. This time they gave a tough fight in spite of internal sabotage . A better organised fight in the LS polls will give more seats. There however, are crucial difference between 2004 and now.

1. The congress seems to be making the same mistake the BJP made back then in "putting the allies in place".
2. The congress Allies are not in great shape this time. The NDA is the direct benificiary of this onlyin Bihar/Jharkhand.
For example, in TN it is likely to be Jayalalitha this time.

In fact, (Jayalalitha+)+Mayawati+(TDP+PR ) are likely to have around 30+50+17=97 seats. These arent INC friendly. All in all, unless the BJp botches up candidate selection big time, it looks like the INC will not return to power. Some kind of third front arrangement might well be possible - in fact, it seems to be the most likely outcome of this election.

In any case, a third front with Mayawati is certainly better than the INC. Anything indigenous is. Of course, the ELM will try to make it look as though INC is cruising to victory. They said the same abt NDA in 2004. In fact, at that time, the BJP was dreaming of 300 seats for itself. We all know what happened. So, lets hope that this is 2004 in some kind of reverse. Not an impossibility.


In Orissa, it should be easy. Recently , the INC was not able to ecome the largest party in local elections despite BJP and BJD fighting separately.

Regarding INC+, here are my numbers <!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->i shall be generaous to INC in these estimates)

TN-1
Kerala-12
Karnataka-5
Andhra Pradesh-25
Maharshtra+Goa-17 (INC-9)
Gujarat-4
MP-6
Chhatisgarh-1
Orissa-4
Jharkhand-4 (INC-2)
Bihar-10 (INC-2)
UP-25 (INC-10) b/c of SP....
Delhi-4
Rajasthan-15
Punjab-8
Haryana-4
HP-1
Uttarakhand-1
J&K-6 (INC-2)
Assam-9
WB-6
Other NE -4

UPA~172 (INC 135)

Left
Kerala-8
WB-22 (Pessimistic...)
Tripura-2
Here and there-3
Total~ . 35

More likely that left will do better than this in Kerala andWB at INC's expense....

Of course Maya+Jaya+TDP+PR+Left+INC would have ~300 seats. With a crucial difference. The balance would have shifted away from the INC more towards the leftand regional parties. So, a third front govt is quite possible. The more unstable the better.
Acharyaji, Andhra will be Congress's waterloo! May get only single digit seats if Praja Rajyam somehow decides to have alliance with BJP and the TRS splits.

<b>Alliance woes for UPA, NDA</b>
2 Feb 2009, 0315 hrs IST, Akshaya Mukul , TNN

NEW DELHI: With barely months to go for the 2009 general election, the two principal political formations — UPA and NDA — are in disarray. While NDA is left with barely few partners and BJP itself is facing unprecedented power struggle among leaders in the winter of their career and ego clashes among second rung leaders, UPA has failed to replicate its 2004-like coalition.

Telengana Rashtriya Samiti in Andhra Pradesh, after waiting for months for a positive response from Congress, and Lok Janshakti Party of Ram Vilas Paswan in Bihar have formally announced they will not go with Congress and Rashtriya Janata Dal respectively. In neighbouring Jharkhand, UPA is hardly in a sound position. Defeat of former chief minister Shibu Soren in a by-election points to hard times ahead.

These three states together have 96 seats in Lok Sabha. In 2004, UPA did extremely well, winning 35 out of 42 seats in Andhra Pradesh, 26 out of 40 in Bihar and 12 out of 14 in Jharkhand. To add to it, Left had three seats -- two in AP and one in Jharkhand. On the other hand, NDA could manage only 12 seats, 11 in Bihar and one in Jharkhand.

Five years later, UPA has no ally in Andhra Pradesh and there will be no seat sharing arrangement with Left. TRS, after waiting for a positive response for a long time, formally announced tie-up with TDP. Left is already in alliance with TDP. Together TDP-TRS-Left has more than 45% vote share. BJP with 8.4% votes and no alliance partner is hardly a threat. The battle here is within the "secular" parties.

In Bihar, UPA's success hinged on RJD-LJP alliance that contributed to more than 40% of votes. Congress itself has just over 4% votes. But this time, Paswan wants to hunt alone. With RJD unlikely to repeat its 22 seat performance, many see Paswan's announcement of going solo as a bargaining tactic. To add to the problem, Left parties — CPM, CPI and CPI-ML(L) — are on the verge of stitching up an alliance. Barring a few seats, Left parties do not have winning chance anywhere in the state but this alliance could harm the "secular" camp more than the NDA.

On the other hand, NDA is banking on the performance of the four-year-old JD(U)-led state government
. While the incumbency and state government's role during massive flood in north Bihar could go against it, the split in UPA can work to its advantage.

After 2004 general election, Jharkhand politics has been in a constant flux. Three chief ministers, one even losing the by-election, and finally President's rule. On the face of it, UPA's alliance will be intact in the state, but it remains to be seen if this alliance will not have to pay for contributing uncertainty and confusion in the state. BJP never recovered from Babulal Marandi's exit. It also failed to make most of UPA's failure.
<b>
Battle over UPA’s Bihar boss post</b>
NALIN VERMA

Patna, Feb. 1: If Ram Vilas Paswan uses fire and brimstone against rival Lalu Prasad, the latter returns it with words sweeter than sugar.

The two stalwarts are now eyeing the post of the UPA boss in the state in the run-up to the polls. The Union minister, Paswan, openly asserted yesterday that he wishes to lead in Bihar. “My friend Laluji led the UPA in the 2004 Lok Sabha and 2005 Assembly polls. It is time that I lead.”

The maverick RJD boss today turned up with an answer to the request. “I am happy that Ram Vilas bhai wishes to lead, he has the experience to lead an alliance. If everyone else can, why can’t a Dalit leader,” he said.

In a bid to augment his bargaining power after polls, Paswan has announced the LJP candidates for as many as 16 Lok Sabha seats in Bihar. The party was given eight seats during 2004 polls out of which it managed to win four.

On the other hand, Lalu Prasad’s RJD contested 28 seats, of which it won 24, increasing his power to bargain. Paswan who was willing to take the railway portfolio found Lalu Prasad taking on the mantle instead. Paswan sensed that Lalu had deprived him because he had a bigger bargaining power with more MPs in his kitty. Paswan does not want to yield any ground to Lalu Prasad this time.

Given the situation, the Dalit leader is in a position to ask for more seats this time. The UPA won 30 out of 40 seats in Bihar when Lalu and Paswan contested in alliance in 2004. The UPA lost power to NDA in 2005 after Paswan decided to go it alone in 2005 Assembly elections.

Moreover, Paswan has proved that with is support base among the Dalits, he is in a position to tilt the balance in favour of a group he joins. For instance, he sided with the NDA in 1999 and the side won handsomely. Alone, Paswan’s party, which usually gets 14 per cent of the votes, can not win. But, it leaves a dent when it joins either the UPA or NDA.

“I am not going to join hands with Nitish Kumar-led NDA in Bihar. I will join Nitish Kumar only when the latter snaps ties with BJP,” Paswan has said. It is clear that Nitish and BJP are inseparable at least in the coming polls and Paswan will evidently be with the UPA. But then Paswan is insisting on (at least) 16 seats for his LJP. Asked if he would spare 16 seats, Lalu Prasad plays it safe.

“I am not the UPA leader in Bihar. The seat sharing modalities have not been decided. We will sit and work it out.” Again in an apparent bid to keep Paswan in good humour, Lalu said: “Seat sharing will not be an issue. The UPA’s goal is to keep the BJP out of power. And on this ground there are no differences among us.”
<b>
Love guru Lalu</b>

Lalu Prasad today advised youngsters to take their parents’ consent while choosing life partners while referring to the Chand Mohammad and Fiza love story. Asked to comment on the Chand-Fiza saga, the RJD chief said: “It’s a sad end to a love story, but it has ended the way it was destined to. Such stories usually end up in similar fashion.”

When informed that a young lady had remarked that she “loves” Lalu Prasad in a blog, the railway minister said: “I, too, love the girl the way I love my daughters and daughters of India. Love is a very sacred word.”
<b>
Goud slighted by TRS chief</b>
2 Feb 2009, 0257 hrs IST, TNN

HYDERABAD: NTP president T Devender Goud feels slighted by TRS president K Chandrasekhar Rao who refused even to talk to him on phone on Friday
and went ahead with firming up an alliance with TDP and Left parties.

An angry Goud on Sunday alleged that KCR was playing the role of a broker to help N Chandrababu Naidu become chief minister. He said KCR had done the same thing in 2004 when he had an alliance with Congress party.

At a press conference, Goud said that in the process, KCR had left the issue of separate state at crossroads by forging alliance with those parties which are opposed to Telangana. "For KCR, what matters is to remain at centre stage of politics. For him separate state is not the main agenda", he said.

Agreeing with PRP president Chiranjeevi's comment that it was Mayakutami, Goud said NTP and PRP would expose the "great betrayal" by TRS. "The grand alliance has one single point agenda and that is to make Naidu the chief minister", he said. He predicted that TRS would bite the dust in the elections and the state politics was in for a change. Only PRP and NTP would render justice to the cause of Telangana.

He said TRS has a moral responsibility to explain to the people as to why it had shown so much of vacillation and why it finally decided to go with TDP and Left parties whom KCR had been criticizing all these years.
The BSP and the SP continue to dominate the political landscape in Uttar Pradesh and I see a bleak future both for the BJP and the Congress.

The 2009 result, both for the Congress and the BJP, may not change much in terms of numbers, but alliance patterns have already started shifting with the AIADMK and the TDP aligning with the Left and the TC showing possible signs of an alliance with the Congress in West Bengal as they cannot alienate minority votes in their States. The advantage, though marginal, is with the Congress and its allies but many a party, if they secure adequate numbers, especially the AIADMK, TDP and the BSP, can determine the shape of the Government to come.

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http://www.dailypioneer.com/153705/Congres...n-the-lead.html
<b>Nervous Mulayam rolls back: No Kalyan pact, Cong tie-up will happen</b>

Express News Service Posted: Feb 03, 2009 at 0300 hrs IST
SP’s Muslim leader bats for KalyanMulayam has betrayed us, say UP MuslimsSanju wins hearts on debutSP may rework candidate listMulayam demands list of fund contributors
Lucknow: With the Congress and RJD disapproving of his pact with former UP chief minister Kalyan Singh and Muslims beginning to question the tie-up with the man during whose rule the Babri Masjid was demolished, Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav today did a U-turn, saying “there is no alliance with Kalyan Singh, only friendship” and that seat-sharing talks with the Congress were on and “an alliance will materialise” for the Lok Sabha polls.

Addressing a press conference in Lucknow, Mulayam Singh said: “The Muslims trust me and there is no confusion over Kalyan Singh. The misunderstanding created by statements of certain leaders will soon be cleared. I cannot abuse Kalyan Singh for the demolition of the Babri Masjid but I never gave him a clean chit in the demolition case. As the BJP chief minister of UP on December 6, 1992, he was morally responsible for the demolition of the mosque.”

“Kalyan Singh should have taken steps to prevent the demolition of the mosque but that did not mean he was totally responsible for the demolition. The mosque was demolished by the RSS and Shiv Sena,” he said.

He accused the the media of “misleading” Muslims with their coverage. “There is no alliance with Kalyan Singh, it’s only friendship where there are no conditions... Kalyan Singh has pledged to bring about the downfall of BJP and I have no qualms in helping him,” he said.

On reports of differences in seat-sharing talks with the Congress, he said: “Talks are on with the Congress and it has entered the final stages. The alliance will take place... it will materialise.”

Expressindia » Story
<b>CM hunts for more Muslim faces</b>

Lucknow Following the bonhomie between the Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav and former BJP leader Kalyan Singh, the BSP plans to woo Muslims by fielding more candidates from the community for the forthcoming Lok Sabha polls.

In the 2007 Assembly polls, the BSP fielded about 80 Muslim candidates and it worked. “Behanji wants to project the party as the only well-wisher of Muslims,” a BSP MLA said.

The party has already selected 16 Muslims and sources said it would field about 25 per cent Muslim candidates in the state’s 80 LS seats. “She is looking for Muslim faces who can be fielded against senior BJP leaders,” a source in the BJP said.

While prominent Muslim faces like Shahid Sidiquee and Nawab Kajim Ali had already made it to the list, the latest to enter us Mehdood Madani, son of Jamat-i-Ulema national president Asad Madani. Mehdood is likely to be fielded from Saharnpur.

In Eastern UP, the party is projecting Ansari brothers, who enjoy good support among the Muslim voters not only in Ghazipur but also in adjoining districts like Mau, Azamgarh, Varanasi and Ballia.

In Bundelkhand region, the party’s face is the state minister Nasimuddin Sidiquee who holds eight portfolios. Nasimuddin is tasked with consolidating Muslim Bhaichara committees in the state.
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Isnt he a sarkari Leftist 'intellectual" and gets Govt patronage. I think Bhyrappa tore him to shred some time back. Should post the fact that he isnt unbiased as the ReDiff suggests.

Also are there fualtlines in SP in UP. My line is are all SP supporters mullafied? IOW are Yadavs on SP on the half way path to getting converted?
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The SP has 3 legs
1. muslims , 18% of UP
2. Yadavs, 9% of UP
3. Assorted OBC and MBC castes, not in BJP upper caste pool or BSP dalit pool

80% of muslims vote for SP
In that sense, Muslims are the main block of SP, even exceeding yadavs
In addition, SP has assorted islamists in other states like in Maharashtra, Assam etc

The RJD of Lalu Yadav is very similar in structure to SP,
the only reason that they have not merged is personal
ambition and hatred between Lalu and Mulayam

Muslim vote banking was started by brahmins of UP
who did not want to accomodate OBCs

Then the OBCs discovered that they could do muslim vote banking more ruthlessly

The SP / RJD has a yadav/OBC head stuck on a muslim body

Sometimes the OBC magnetic pull over-rides the muslim gravitational pull
Example, Kalyan Singh has been aligned with Mulayam from 1999-2004

Also ,Mulayam had Swami Sakshi Maharaj ( an OBC swami,
who is reputed as a 'Bahubali' or strongman )
Sakshi was involved in using his musclemen to demolish the Ayodhya Structure

The 1989 Bhagalpur riots was a retaliatory riot ( as most riots are in India )
led by Kameshwar Yadav. Lalu never arrested Kameshwar,
whereas the stupid Nitish kumar arrested Kameshwar

In other cases, yadavs have been sacrificed to keep muslims happy
For example, in Bihar, Mohd Shahabuddin, a gangster, killed many yadavs during Lalu
raj, and Lalu kept quiet
Also during Mau riots, Mulayam sided with muslims against yadavs

However, both Mulayam and Lalu do real-politik
In private life, they are devout hindu vegetarians and hanuman bhakts
Hindu religion has failed in making its followers carry forward their
private beliefs into public sphere
In their houses, they will never invite a muslim for dinner
They will likely do an honor killing if a muslim elopes with their daughter

They are temperorily pro-muslim for business reasons
They are not psec like the foolish upper castes

You will never find an Advani among them ( who attended the nikah
of his niece to a muslim ) or like Aunty Sheila Dixit ( who has a muslim son-in-law )

Unlike the commies, they are not beef-eaters

I believe that the sangh parivar can reach out to the Yadav caste and Paswan caste
to undercut Mulayam and Lalu
My personal favorite is sending yadav women on muslim darshan yatras to
the nearest ghetto to show them the danger of vote banking

K.S.Lal has a book on who converted, and Yadavs almost never converted

The other angle to consider
is that as the Yadavs get richer, they get more sanskritised and
in the quest for status, at some point they will have to dump their muslim
temperory allies

In many cases they are similar to Gowdas who are at home very religious

The yadavs think that they can control their muslim vote bank
and get rich in the process
They have to be made to realise that muslim vote bank is uncontrollable,
like riding a tiger




Thanks GS. Very perceptive.
What do you want Advani to do if his relative marries a muslim. How can he not attend his neice's own wedding?
Boycott the nikah
Denounce the sindhi girl for eloping with her oppressor
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That will be true if you support (caste and religious) vote-bank politics (actually it is the secularist politics of India). Kundu chattiyile kudharai ottra kadhai! (Riding a horse inside a pot!) Can we reach anywhere?

Nice time-pass!

Enru pohum indha secularist moham!! (When will the secularist delusion end?)
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That will be true if you support (caste and religious) vote-bank politics
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Your statement is attributing intentions/opinions to others that they never remotely indicated (let alone voiced).
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Feb 3 2009, 09:05 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Feb 3 2009, 09:05 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What do you want Advani to do if his relative marries a muslim. How can he not attend his neice's own wedding?[right][snapback]94179[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How? Very easy, by not going.
But why don't you rather ask why islamaniacs kill muslim women who (elope to) marry a non-muslim man (e.g. a Hindu man or a christian from Jordan/Lebanon or an atheist German)?
The <b><i>right, expected and prescribed Hindu behaviour</i></b> in cases of intermarriage with the terorrist ideologies of christoislamism is that of completely letting go of/breaking off contact with the family member who insisted on making such a disastrously foolish choice for her/himself, for the family and for the whole Hindu community. And this is not inhumane nor incomprehensible, unlike the inhumanity of islamism's handling of such situations.
Psecularism/christo-conditioning teaches Hindus to refuse to see the difference between the Hindu and the islamic response. And worse, it even teaches them to expect other Hindus to become confused about/abandon the right and traditional Hindu course of action.


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