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The Real Indian IQ
<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Feb 28 2009, 04:29 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Feb 28 2009, 04:29 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gsub,

whats your opinion of Pakistani IQ? Its listed almost same as Indian IQ in IQ and wealth of nations book. Although, if you compared Indian and Pakistani immigrants in UK, Indians outperform everyone except Chinese and Pakistani are at bottom with blacks and Bangladeshis. Islam means -5IQ like you said before,

but what about consanguineous marriages and other incest that is practiced? how much can be subtracted due to that. note, cousin marriage is also done in South india.

I cant seem to think of any pakistani geniuses like ramanujan, cv raman, or khorana. aq khan had to steal information and buy from chinese to make nukes.

The converts to islam excluded the 2 highest IQ categories
Brahmin and bania

The Pakistani forums bit@ch about brahmin and bania

The pakistanis consist of Jats, Rajputs etc, and you can take the Indian IQ of Jats and
Rajputs as shown in the sikh diaspora and subtract IQ-10 due to islam

The bangladeshis are mostly dalit and tribal converts to islam and some northern peasant castes
About 50% of bangladeshis are Namasudra converts, a Dalit caste
So take the North Indian Dalit IQ and tribal IQ and subtract IQ-10, results in African IQ for bangladeshis

Next they marry their cousins which leads to a 8 drop in IQ
Next thanks to the mullah, female education is limited and islam
prevents thinking which also depresses IQ
I think the IQ penalty due to islam is about 10-12, not 5

In my model, north Indian hindus have a 5 IQ drop compared to south Indian hindus
since the muslims selectively massacred the elite of the various castes to terrorise into converting to islam

The muslims marry their direct cousins wheras the south Indian marry cross cousins
IMHO, many genetic disorders are passed either on the male line or the female line
The cross-cousin marriage may limit the risk as compared to direct cousin marriages

Also, I saw a study of inbreeding among various castes ( I cant find the URL )
about 30 years ago
On average, SIB married their second cross-cousins, which means a loss of only IQ-2 ( negligible )
whereas non-brahmin SI mostly married first cousin IQ-8
The interesting thing is that even with IQ-8, the Sri Lankan Velala diaspora is doing so well
Much ( not all ) of the dravidianist anti-brahmin AA
( started by upper caste tamils )
could have been avoided by simply not marrying their first cousins

In IQ and wealth of nations book, the author is very careless
and uses a lot of extrapolation
In the same book, IQ of Afghanistan = 78

Based on UK study, I saw an IQ study showing Indians at IQ +6 as compared to Pakistanis and +11 as compared to Bangladeshis

Also look at 2-3 posts above, the Indian ( hindu ) outperformance over Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants continues in USA

The second generation reverts to the mean
and in the selected US diaspora, based on 1990 SAT,
Jews = 1030
Hindu = 1029
White = 934
Asian = 938
Asian Islam = 923
Digit span data (IQ equivalents) by U.S. immigrant group:

Europe 99, Northeast Asia 106, Southeast Asia 104, India 112, sub-Saharan African 89, Mexico 82, Central America/Caribbean 83, South America 86.

Ashkenazi Jews = 110
Data from Toronto School Districts

Parents with University Degrees, %

White = 68%
East Asian = 57%
Middle Eastern = 52%
South Asian = 46%
South East Asian = 38%
Latin American = 37%
Black = 22%

Annual Family Income below $30K

White = 9%
East Asian = 28%
Latin American = 39%
South East Asian = 27%
South Asian = 37%
Black = 45%
Middle Eastern = 55%

Good grades in 6th grade

East Asian = Reading - 78%, Writing - 83%, Math - 86%

White = Reading - 76%, Writing - 75%, Math - 72%

South Asian = Reading - 68%, Writing - 74%, Math - 68%

South East Asian = Reading - 69%, Writing - 77%, Math - 72%

Middle Eastern = Reading - 55%, Writing - 57%, Math - 54%

Latin American = Reading - 51%, Writing - 55%, Math - 42%

Black = Reading - 47%, Writing - 55%, Math - 37%

Oh man, this is what we used to do in front of Vinayagar we called it "thoppukaranam" in Tamil.
GSub, Have you seen this site for studying demographics?

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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Mar 13 2009, 02:02 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Mar 13 2009, 02:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->GSub, Have you seen this site for studying demographics?

Ginger Booth

I looked at it briefly,
At this time, I dont think I know how to use it

<b>6yr-old Indo-American boy’s IQ is greater than that of Einstein</b>
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Posted: Mar 13, 2009 at 1109 hrs IST

Chicago An Indian-American boy has an IQ greater than that of Albert Einstein at the tender age of six.
Pranav Veera has an IQ of 176, while Einstein’s IQ was believed to be about 160.

The little boy can recite the names of the US presidents in the order they served in office, and is able to say the alphabet backward.

Given a date back to 2000, Pranav can even tell which day of the week that was.

He is highly competitive at playing Wii video games, and likes to play outside.

Pranav’s parents have revealed that he seemed unusually intelligent while playing with alphabet sets, when the boy was just four-and-a-half years old.

He could even recall which letters were certain colours, they say.

“That kind of puzzled us. You have to have not a normal memorization, but some other means of recall,” the 'Chicago Sun-Times' quoted his father Prasad Veera as saying.

The little boy’s mother, Suchitra Veera, has revealed that he presently loves all kinds of alphabets.

“He loves to collect them, like different colours, different sizes, different materials,” she said.

Pranav’s parents decided to have his IQ tested at Powers Educational Services in Hyde Park three months ago

“I said, ’Let’s try it out, because he seems to do a lot of stuff kind of not quite normal for his age. He tested 176,” his father said.

Pranav’s teacher Marci Taylor, at McCormick Elementary in the Milford School District, calls him “an amazing child”.

“He knows so much, yet he’s probably more excited about learning than any child I’ve ever seen. He shakes with excitement,” she said.

What she finds impressive about Pranav is the fact that he knows so many incredible things at the age of 6.

“He loves to go play at recess and climb on the monkey bars,” Taylor said.

When asked what he wants to be when he grows up, Pranav says: “An astronaut.”

Many Nigerians claim that they have the highest education of USA immigrants

Per 2007 ACS survey

College % = 54%
Median Household income = $50K
Gsub, its false. They claim they have highest percentage of post graduates. This was based on faulty phone survey that was done over several years and these nigerians thought post graduate meant high school diploma.
So much for their IQ <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-shamu+Mar 17 2009, 11:48 AM-->QUOTE(shamu @ Mar 17 2009, 11:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So much for their IQ <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

The digit span test showed sub-saharan African immigrants at 89 IQ
and these are the super-selected high IQ bunch

I dont have data for immigrants from middle eastern islamic countries but I believe they are also about 89 for the super-selected high IQ bunch
Sue and Abe analysis of 1984 University of California freshmen

Reported in book, The asian american educational experience by Don Nakanishi

This deals with children who are 2nd generation or more, and have regression to mean
and this shows the clear superiority of Indian IQ, and has been hushed up for 25 years

In their analyses of all freshman students enrolled in the eight University of California campuses in 1984, Sue and Abe (1988) reported on both the high school GPAs and SAT scores of different subethnic groups of Asian Americans. With high school GPA, they found East Indians/Pakistanis had the highest GPAs (3.8) followed by Japanese (3.75) and Chinese (3.73), and Filipinos the lowest (3.56). All subethnic groups had higher mean GPAs than whites (3.59) with the exception of Filipinos (3.56). With SAT verbal and math scores, East Indians/Pakistanis had the highest verbal scores (520.0), followed by the Japanese (510.8) and Chinese (473.4), and Koreans the lowest (417.8), whereas the Chinese had the highest math scores (611.8) followed by East Indians/Pakistanis (605.8), Japanese (603.8), and Koreans (594.0). Only the East Indians/Pakistanis had higher verbal SAT scores than whites (512.4), whereas all the subethnic groups had higher math SAT scores than whites (576.9) with the exception of Filipinos (519.5) and Other Asian Americans (555
The so called Chinese "dialects" is a myth. China is very similar to India, they are full blown languages just like India. One Chinese can't talk to someone in another valley with a different "dialect". They deliberately call it a dialect to show a false sense of unity of China.

<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Feb 10 2009, 07:20 PM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Feb 10 2009, 07:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->La griffe du lion, blogs that the real key in understanding IQ is verbal IQ,
not Ravens matrices

Based on law school results he posits that chinese have a verbal IQ
0.5 SD below whites,

Whereas jews have a strong verbal IQ
He in fact writes that Ashkenazis have a 127 verbal IQ and
a math IQ of 106

I sort of suspect this verbal IQ score

However, I suspect that Indian verbal IQ is very high compared to chinese
because most Indians are bilingual
Hindi + regional language

and over 100 million are trilingual

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Insightful Linguist

Your IQ Score is: 124

You are gifted with the natural fluency of a writer and the visual and spatial strengths of an artist. Those skills contribute to your creative and expressive mind.
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Scored 131: Visionary philosopher

"Your mind's strengths allow you to think ahead of the game — to imagine or anticipate what should come next in just about any situation. Because you're equally skilled in the numerical and verbal universes of the brain, you can draw from multiple sources of information to come up with great ideas. The timelessness of your vision and the balance between your various skills are what make you a Visionary Philosopher."
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Facts Curator

Your IQ Score is: 138

Like a meticulous collector, you've fed your brain a unique set of facts and figures over the years. Words, numbers, you've got it all. That's what makes you a Facts Curator.
Visual Mathematician
Your IQ Score is: 138

You have a strong ability to process visual-spatial and mathematical information. These skills combined with your strengths in logic are what make you a Visual Mathematician.

You're able to understand patterns visually and in numbers. That means your mind can create a mental picture for any problem. In addition to that skill, you possess an intelligence that allows you to apply math to that picture, too. That helps you manipulate multiple parts of the picture (or problem) to come up with a solution. You have many skills that are critical to success and problem-solving. Your talents help you understand the "big picture," which is partly why people may turn to you for direction — especially in the workplace. You flourish in environments where tasks are clearly defined, and you are a whiz at improving processes and making things more efficient. Your ability to detect patterns and your skills in math and logic, make it natural for you to come up with ideas and theories that simplify processes for everyone.

Outside of work, Visual Mathematicians tend to do well at strategic activities like chess. It must be that ability to recognize patterns — both as they are and how they develop. Regardless of how you put your mind to use, you've got a great set of talents. You will be able to envision a clear path and calculate the risks, and more importantly, the rewards, of anything you take on.
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I am still watching. Indian origin did really well.

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