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The Real Indian IQ
HP math



First language of Student and language of test not same for more than 60% of students = 327

First language of Student and Language of test same for all students = 401







TN math



First language of Student and language of test not same for more than 60% of students = 344

First language of Student and Language of test same for all students = 378
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TN Math



School has computers = 380

School has no computers = 322



HP math



School has computers = 352

School has no computers = 314
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In summary, the Indian PISA test is fraudulent



Based on



Insufficient sampling



Skewed Sampling towards Rural schools , govt schools, linguistic minority kids,

and many other tricks to avoid sampling brahmins and upper castes and high end private schools



This has been done because this has been influenced by leftists, to magnify Indian problems

and based on the low Indian PISA score, they have already demanded more funding for

Govt schools ( even though they underperform Private schools drastically, ) and they are also demanding

increase in Govt school teacher salary, even though these parasites make 5X more salary than Private school teachers



In short, this is a repeat of the gutter inspector report of Katherine Mayo's 'Mother India'
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IQ summary from CA national merit winners and CA STARS population data



Using National Merit list = 135 IQ and SD = 15



It is assumed that the Jewish population is 2% of the white population

The Indian population is 4900, and it contains about 500 muslims from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh

I am ignoring this muslim population and spreading the caste numbers among the rest, which would

give a safety margin of 1 - 2 IQ for Indian castes



White = 97

Muslim = 97

Jat Sikh = 97

Patel = 97

Syrian Xtian = 97

Japanese = 97

Mid-Level Hindu Dravidian Caste = 105

North Indian Kayasth scribe = 105

North Indian Rajput = 109

South Indian Nair Rajput = 109

Indian - California Caste Blend = 109

East Asian = 109

Jew = 110

North Indian Merchant = 110

North Indian Brahmin = 112

South Indian Brahmin = 117
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Errors in PISA 2009 Indian scores - part 1

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For reference I am comparing this against the World Bank report 'Indian Shining, Bharat Drowning'



Making an accurate sample is very difficult in Indian populations, due to effects of caste and poverty



However, I am assuming that the World bank report sampling has not been gerrymandered



In Math, the TIMMS score is as follows



Orissa Avg = 404

Rajasthan Avg = 382



For reference,



Iran Avg = 411

Philippines Avg = 378

Norway = 461



Per Avg scores, these states show up as lower-middle income countries



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If we move from Avg scores to High International Benchmark Scores of 550



In Iran, 3% cross this level

In Philippines 3% cross this level



In Orissa, 9% cross this level

In Rajasthan, 4% cross this level



In Norway, 10% cross this level



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So at the Avg Level, these states look like Iran and Philippines, at the High end, they look like Norway



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The Average Indian scores like Iran, and the Top Indians score like Norway, there is a very distinct High End IQ bulge that is absent in countries with the same Average score



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At the bottom end,



Orissa 5th percentile = 240

Rajasthan 5th percentile = 220,



At the bottom end, these states look like black Africans



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Lets now look at the PISA Math scores for TN and HP



TN - 5th percentile = 241

HP - 5th percentile = 223



TN - 50th percentile = 351

HP - 50th percentile = 338



TN - 95th percentile = 468

HP - 95th percentile = 458



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If we compare the TIMMS for Orissa and Rajasthan vs PISA for HP and TN, we notice that the bottom end is identical

The mean has shifted down by 50 points and the top end has shifted down by 100 points.



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Next we will investigate why the mean and top-end have down-shifted



One explanation is that per the WIPRO report, TN has the worst, most dumbed down state curriculum and TN scores below the Indian Average, while Orissa despite being much poorer scores near the top for all Indian states, in Govt schools
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Errors in PISA 2009 Indian scores - part 2

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My hypothesis is that the downshift in the mean and top-end scores is due to deliberate gerrymandering to lower the PISA score. The low PISA score would in turn raise a clamor for more govt money to go to Public schools and Public school teacher salaries. This is in line with leftist NGOs. This gerrymandering could easily be done by a low to mid-level official who had infiltrated the Indian PISA team



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https://mypisa.acer.edu.au/images/mypisa...tional.pdf



Has the complete PISA report



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Table A.2: Population coverage indices



This shows that in most countries 1% of the schools were sampled for PISA



However, the TN, HP data is so bad, they dont have a clue on what the sampling ratio is



Table A3,



TN had 143 schools appearing for PISA

HP had 66 schools appearing for PISA



Whereas in Costa Rica, 180 schools appeared for PISA



Table A4



TN PISA had 3210 students

HP PISA had 1616 students

Costa Rica PISA had 4578 students



The Population of TN is 65 million, and the Population of HP is 7 million and the population of Costa Rica is 4 million



PISA has no idea, what fraction of the total population of TN and HP were sampled





My first alert is the very small sampling in TN and HP
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Errors in PISA 2009 Indian scores - part 3

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http://pisa2009.acer.edu.au/interactive.php



is an interactive website to look at how PISA score changes under various factors



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My first concern is whether PISA over sampled linguistic minorities deliberately to lower the score



In HP, the medium of instruction is Hindi and the linguistic minorities are Tibetans and Punjabis



In TN, the medium of instruction is Tamil the main linguistic minority is Telegu



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In the interactive PISA site,



under School variables, SC08Q01 asks 'Is the test language same as the first language of the child'



This would catch linguistic minorities, for example a Telegu child in a Tamil classroom, answering a PISA exam set in Tamil



or



A Tibetan or Punjabi child in a Hindi classroom, answering a PISA exam set in Hindi





Category-1 means over 60% of the students are from a linguistic minority and Category-6 means all students are from the linguistic majority



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In Tamil Nadu, 75% of the student sample was in Category-1 and they scored 344 mean for PISA math, and

only 20% of the student sample was in Category-6 and they scored 378.



In any good sampling system, 95% should be in category-6 and just 5% of student sample in Category 1



The PISA mean was 351. But for Tamil students answering PISA in Tamil, the score was 378

The gerrymandering artificially reduced score by 27



At 378, the math score is same as Rajasthan in TIMMS



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In HP, 83% of the student sample was in Category-1 and they scored 327 mean for PISA math

and only 10% of the student sample was in Category-6 and they scored 401



In any good sampling system, 95% should be in category-6 and just 5% of student sample in Category 1



The PISA mean was 338, but for Hindi students answering PISA in Hindi, the score was 401

The gerrymandering artificially reduced score by 63



At 401, the math scores equal Orissa in TIMMS
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Errors in Indian PISA score - Part 4

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The next area where gerrymandering has occurred is in over-weighting rural areas and in the urban areas, deliberately selecting bad schools



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Among the school variables, the relevant factor is 'school community'

and is represented by question = SC04Q01



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Category-1 = Village

Category-2 = Small Town

Category-3 = Town

Category-4 = City

Category-5 = Large City



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I would normally expect the score to go up by 10, at each step, A 10 score is about 1.5 IQ

The reason is that as you get more urbanised, the schools get better, healthcare gets better, the percentage of upper-caste, higher IQ segment increases and other similar factors



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In Himachal Pradesh,



67% of the sample is Category-1 or village with a mean math score of 329



15% of the sample is Category-2 or small town, with a mean score of 379



18% of the sample is Category-3 or town, with a mean score of 339



0% is Category-4



0% is Category-5



I smell a rat here.



First they have given 67% weighting to village and 0% weight to both City and Large City



Instead of seeing a rise of 10 points as we go from Category-2 to Category-3,



There is a drop of 40 points going from Small Town to Town

They must have searched for the worst slum school in Town





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In Tamil Nadu,



44% is Village with mean math score of 332



9% is Small Town with score of 337 ( just a gain of 5 is fishy )



28% is Town with mean score of 366



12% is City with mean score of 386



7% is Large City with mean score of 376 ( A fishy loss of 10 instead of gain of 10 at this step )



Tamil Nadu is a highly urbanised state with Village and Small Town combined at about 25% of population

whereas this survey has given them 53% weightage



Also in TN, brahmins are heavily urbanised and most are in the large City category , which has been under weighted



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In both states, with proper rural-urban weightages, I would expect scores to rise by about 20 or 3 IQ
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Errors in Indian PISA score - Part 5

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The next variable is School Variable = Public or Private School = SC02Q01



In India, the only kids who go to Public school are the starving kids who go for

mid day meal



Even the working poor send their kids to some sort of private school



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HP



Govt School, Math score = 331, 85% of sample students



Private school = 379 , 15% of Sample students



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TN



Govt School, Math Score = 334, 60% of sample students

Private School = 378, 40% of sample students



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A minimum gain of 45 from switching to Private schools
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Errors in Indian PISA score - Part 6

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So what is the real Indian PISA Math score very conservatively



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HP



Removing Linguistic minorities = 401

Removing Rural Bias = 20

Removing Govt School Bias = 20

Safety factor = -10



HP corrected Math score = 431



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TN



Removing Linguistic Minorities = 378

Removing Rural Bias = 20

Removing Govt School Bias = 20

Safety Factor = -10



TN corrected Math Score = 408



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Improvement beyond this will require better teaching curriculum, better nutrition, and more sampling of upper castes to get a correct idea of the Top end potential
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Errors in Indian PISA score - Part 7

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So what is the real Indian PISA Math score realistic



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HP



Removing Linguistic minorities = 401

Removing Rural Bias = 20

Removing Govt School Bias ( mid-day meal for starving ) = 45





HP corrected Math score = 466



Implied IQ = 100 - 15 x 0.34 = 95 IQ



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TN



Removing Linguistic Minorities = 378

Removing Rural Bias = 20

Removing Govt School Bias ( mid-day meal for starving ) = 45





TN corrected Math Score = 443



Implied IQ = 100 - 57 x 15 = 91 IQ



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Improvement beyond this will require better teaching curriculum, better nutrition, and more sampling of upper castes to get a correct idea of the Top end potential
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Calculating Average Indian IQ from PISA



TN raw math PISA score = 351

TN implied IQ = 100 - 1.5 x 15 = 78



HP raw math score = 338

HP implied IQ = 100 - 1.62 x 15 = 76



Indian Avg IQ based on raw PISA = 77



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Next step is to remove the bias caused by the PISA sample having

75% bilingual kids



( Tibetan kids facing Hindi PISA exam and Telegu kids facing Tamil PISA exam )



TN mono-lingual = 378

Implied IQ = 500 - 1.22 x 15 = 82



HP mono-lingual = 401

Implied IQ = 500 - 15 = 85



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Next there is a 40 point difference between scores for 'Village' and scores for 'Large city'

In HP and TN, The village category is over-represented by a factor of 4

Even worse, in HP, City and Large City are entirely removed from the survey sample



So adding an urban correction of 20 ( half the village-large city difference )





TN semi-urbanised mono-lingual = 378 + 20 = 398

Implied IQ = 85



HP semi-urbanised mono-lingual = 401 + 20 = 421

Implied IQ = 100 - 0.79 x 15 = 88



Current Indian IQ = 86



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Next we look to the future as malnutrition is removed



The only Indian kids who go to govt school is for the mid-day meal,



If they are not starving they go to private school



Private schools score 45 more than govt schools and thats the future as poverty reduces



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HP - future - semi-urbanised- mono-lingual = 401 + 20 + 45 = 466



Implied IQ = 95





TN - future - semi-urbanised - mono-lingual = 378 + 20 + 45 = 443



Implied IQ = 91



Future Indian IQ = 93



Given the huge bias in sampling towards over-representing the lower end IQ,

by the poverty pimp NGOs, I am certain that none of the CBSE or Cambridge schools

that serve the top 15% are included in the survey



And they have an entirely different IQ profile and cause an IQ bulge at the top end
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2012 California National Merit, Total = 184



This cohort was born in 1995



Per California STARS website, total Indian kids in grade 11 was 4900



This 4900 also includes about 500 muslims from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh



National Merit cut off = 135 IQ, ( good guess )

SD = 15







Total SIB kids = 600 ( good guess )



SIB winners = 89



Ratio = 15%



Implied IQ = 135 - 16 = 119





Total NIB kids = 250 ( good guess )



NIB winners = 19



Ratio = 7.6%



Implied IQ = 135 - 21 = 114





Combined Brahmin kids = 850



Combined brahmin winners = 108



Implied IQ = 135 - 17 = 118





North Indian Merchant Kids = 600 ( good guess )



North Indian Merchant winners = 26



Ratio = 4.3 %



Implied IQ = 135 - 25 = 110





NI kayastha kids = 100 ( good guess )

NI kayastha winners = 2

Ratio = 2%

Implied IQ = 135 - 30 = 105





NI rajput kids = 300 ( good guess )

NI rajput winners = 12

Ratio = 4%

Implied IQ = 135 - 26 = 109



Patel kids = 600 ( good guess )

Patel winners = 3

Ratio = 0.5%

Implied IQ = 135 - 38 = 97



Jat Sikh kids = 600 ( good guess )

Winners = 4

Ratio = 0.67%

Implied IQ = 135 - 37 = 98



Nair kids = 100 ( good guess )

Winners = 4

Ratio = 4%

Implied IQ = 135 - 26 = 109





Total kids, R1A gene pool = 3150

Total winners , R1A, Aryan gene pool = 159

Ratio = 5%

Implied IQ = 135 - 24 = 111



Syrian Xtian kids = 200 ( good guess )

Syrian Xtian winners = 1

Ratio = 0.5%

Implied IQ = 135 - 38 = 97



Hindu Mid-Level Caste Dravidian kids = 900 ( good guess )

Winners = 24

Ratio = 2.4%

Implied IQ = 135 - 29 = 106



Total Dravidian kids = 1100 ( good guess )

Winners = 25

Ratio = 2.2%

Implied IQ = 135 - 30 = 105



Total Indian kids = 4900

Muslims = 500

Aryan cluster = 3150

Dravidian cluster = 1100

Fiji, Caribbean Indians = 150, these are likely caribbean and Fiji indians from Nishad pool



Nishad IQ = 88

National Merit cut off = 135

Distance = 47 IQ = 3.1 SD

only the 99.9th percentile will pass

or 1 in 1000



If there were 1000 Nishad kids, 1 would pass

There are only 150, and therefore zero pass
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http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?218344







ANNUAL OUTLOOK CFORE SURVEY

India's Best Schools



Total of 70 schools in 7 Indian cities surveyed



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We shall look at schools which score more than 9.0 out of 10 in studies

The caste blend matters a lot more than school facilities





Chennai had 9 schools, 5 of which were SIB dominated



Delhi had 3 Schools, 1 of which was SIB dominated



Mumbai had 3 schools



Chandigarh had 1 school



Kolkata had 1 school



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Delhi

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Mothers International = 9.50 = Khatri ?

DPS RK Puram = 9.60 = SIB ??

Spring Dales, Daula Khan = 9.40 = Khatri ?



Incidentally DPS, Mathura Road = 8.10, vs 9.60 for DPS at RK.Puram, the only difference is caste blend



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Mumbai

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Scottish = 9.30

Cathedral = 9.20

Campion = 9.00



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Kolkata

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South Point = 9.00



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Hyderabad, has none above 9



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Bangalore, has none above 9



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Chandigarh

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Carmel Convent = 9



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Chennai

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DAV Gopalapuram = 9.70, SIB



Don Bosco = 9.20



Padma Seshadri = 9.70, SIB



Vidya Mandir = 9.40 , SIB



Chettinad Vidyashram = 9.30, SIB



Church Park = 9.20



Good Shepherd = 9.10



Holy Angels = 9.10



Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan = 9.0 , SIB
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The interesting thing to note is that virtually all the non-chennai academic stars are convents

and this leads to psec phenomenon of deracinated Hindu elite



The only other place than Chennai to find a top performing Hindu school is Delhi

all 3 winners are Hindus schools





DAV network is around for 100 years, but only the Chennai DAV is an academic super star, due to SIB



Now I am going to go out on a limb. North Indians seem to love bling and pay fancy fees for fancy private schools

when the best academic school in the country is a DAV. Granted DAV-Gopalapuram is heavily Tambrahm, every other caste could benefit from DAV teaching methodology and DAV is fairly cheap in terms of school fees





In Chennai, around 1955, there was a Tam-brahm revolt against xtian convents,

And this led to formation of Vidya Mandir, Padma Seshadri, Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, all academic star



Another interesting Chennai academic star is Chettinad Vidyashram

It is run by Chettiars, but teaches Hindu culture. It is located in a Tambrahm enclave and has

and entrance exam, which in itself skews the students towards Tambrams



Also lots of famous rich schools are missing from the list and are rip-offs
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In curriculum quality , useful for handling PISA,



TN board = 1

CBSE = 9.5

ICSE = 14



Comparisons between ICSE and CBSE

ICSE provides a good overall development; the focus on literature is good. The CBSE concentrates more on Math and Science, which gives that slight edge for the engineering competitive exams.

“In ICSE projects on various subjects are an integral part. Also, there’s a clear emphasis on English literature whereas in CBSE, English is functional, communication-based “ says the Principal, Sri Kumaran’s Children’s Home. Kumaran’s offers ICSE and CBSE syllabuses to its students.

It is said that the ICSE syllabus is more extensive, and that the CBSE is more intensive. To elaborate, in the CBSE system of teaching, there are more objective kind of questions, which prepares students for national level competitive exams. ICSE is more liberal and gives a good choice of subjects. One can opt out of math and science in ICSE, not so in CBSE. The ICSE course develops thinking and analytical skills in a student because it is extensive.
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The main advantage of ICSE over CBSE is as follows



The ICSE is run mainly by the Anglo-Indians



So the syllabus has a lot more emphasis on English Language



ICSE is only for English Medium



To score well in PISA, you need language fluency,

which ICSE will provide in English



CBSE has a dual mode curriculum, both English medium and Hindi medium

So the English language syllabus is dumbed down in CBSE and this makes it harder to score

well in PISA





I would say that until 10th grade, ICSE is superior, whereas CBSE may be better for 11th and 12th
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The CBSE syllabus follows the concentric curriculum, where the topics taught are built on top of what was taught the year before last. For example, in Science, the topics motion, force, and pressure are presented in the 6th standard and the ideas of force, frictional force, and pressure are dealt with in more detail in the 8th standard.



The ICSE board follows the spiral curriculum approach. First the basic facts of a subject are learned, then more details are introduced. The basics are re-emphasised many times over to help get them into long-term memory. “What the student studies this year is built on top of what was learnt the previous year,” says Nitya Ramaswami – Head child development and Academics at the Zee schools



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At least till 10th ICSE is far more rigorous



and all things being equal, ICSE will much score more in PISA than CBSE
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For 10th board exam



ICSE has 3 individual science papers = Physics, Chemistry, Biology



whereas CBSE has 1 combined science paper



Thats because CBSE at 10th is dumbed down to promote the lower iq masses



At 12th it is a different story, CBSE has a dedicated science stream and tightens the screws and catches up with ICSE
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Several PISA like tests are being introduced in India, and most of the top-level schools are using them



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What is common about these tests?



They stress on application of knowledge rather than knowledge per se.

Focus on reasoning, thinking, interpretation of data.

Standardised tests.

Objective, multiple choice

Offered in different subjects depending on the test (English, Math, Science, Computers.

Schools offer different tests. Some offer IAIS and some ASSET. Some kids enroll individually for these tests if the school does not offer them

These tests are made appropriate for the Indian context to some extent Many of these tests provide schools diagnostics and metrics about how students did in general and how to improve.



IAIS (International Assessment for Indian Schools)

AKA (also known as) Macmillan or University of South of Wales, Australia Test

http://iais.emacmillan.com/

Dates: Aug 28, 29 2009

Subjects English, Computer Science, Math, Science

Classes 3-12

One of the toughest tests in the spectrum



Asset testing

ASSESSMENT OF SCHOLASTIC SKILLS THROUGH EDUCATIONAL TESTING (ASSET)

http://www.ei-india.com/about-asset/how-...for-asset/



Core Subjects: English, Maths and Science

Optional Subjects: Social Studies and Hindi

Based on the Indian curriculum (CBSE, ICSE and state boards)

Detailed Skill-wise feedback with customized letter for every student

Conducted in the school during school hours

Schools choose to take the test in Summer (July-August) or Winter (December)

Similar to IAIS. But supposed to be slightly easier.



Olympiads

http://www.silverzone.org/

Grade 1-12

Around Oct 6th

Our school offers only the Informatics Olympiad (computers + general reasoning).

But they offer Informatics, Science, English and Mathematics.

Relatively easy compared to IAIS.

Any other information??

Offered in most traditional Indian schools. CBSE schools.
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