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Sanjoy Das
November 3, 2007 11:16 AM
I hate do degenerate into petty nation-level arguments, but I will make this exception only to show how silly this IQ argument is.
(It is also both interesting and relevant to observe that IQ-race proponents such as Josh Stein singularly harp on the same thing ad nauseam without providing any effective counterpoint. Perhaps a sad reflection of their own intelligence levels.)
INDIAN vs. CHINESE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS
There are six Indian Nobel laureates, and nine Chinese. A pretty fair ratio considering that there are 20% more Chinese in the world than Indians.
However, observe carefully - Indians have won other forms of recognition for their scientific contributions too, which Chinese have not. Here is how:
(i) The second space telescope was named "Chandra", and there is "Chandrasekhar limit" in connection with black holes, in honor of famed Indian astronomer Chandrasekhar.
(ii) Elementary particles that do not conform to Fermi-Dirac statistics are called "Bosons" in honor of J C. Bose. You also have Bose-Einstein condensate.
(iii) Then, E C G Sudarshan, co-founder of the Tachyon hypothesis was not given a Nobel, arguably due to racism. I do not recall any instance of a Chinese being dened a Nobel on similar grounds.
(iv) There is the awe-inspiring name of Ramanujam, the Indian mathematician who can well claim to be among the greatest intellectuals of the last few centuries. I do not recall any Chinese name in the past 100 years.
What more, the Chinese Nobel prizes are all shared ones. The Chinese got one-third to one-half of a Nobel apiece, not full ones like the Indians.
Care to explain why the "high IQ Chinese" managed significantly less compared to the Indians? Why the discrepancy?
INDIAN AMERICANS vs. CHINESE AMERICANS
Care also to explain why Indians have been so successful in the West, in comparison to the Chinese? In the USA, the Indians are well ahead of all ethnic other communities, including the Jews, the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese, in education, academic success, as well as wealth.
If only high IQ Indians manage to come to the West, the same filter should apply to Chinese immigrants too, correct?
Sanjoy Das
November 3, 2007 11:16 AM
I hate do degenerate into petty nation-level arguments, but I will make this exception only to show how silly this IQ argument is.
(It is also both interesting and relevant to observe that IQ-race proponents such as Josh Stein singularly harp on the same thing ad nauseam without providing any effective counterpoint. Perhaps a sad reflection of their own intelligence levels.)
INDIAN vs. CHINESE NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS
There are six Indian Nobel laureates, and nine Chinese. A pretty fair ratio considering that there are 20% more Chinese in the world than Indians.
However, observe carefully - Indians have won other forms of recognition for their scientific contributions too, which Chinese have not. Here is how:
(i) The second space telescope was named "Chandra", and there is "Chandrasekhar limit" in connection with black holes, in honor of famed Indian astronomer Chandrasekhar.
(ii) Elementary particles that do not conform to Fermi-Dirac statistics are called "Bosons" in honor of J C. Bose. You also have Bose-Einstein condensate.
(iii) Then, E C G Sudarshan, co-founder of the Tachyon hypothesis was not given a Nobel, arguably due to racism. I do not recall any instance of a Chinese being dened a Nobel on similar grounds.
(iv) There is the awe-inspiring name of Ramanujam, the Indian mathematician who can well claim to be among the greatest intellectuals of the last few centuries. I do not recall any Chinese name in the past 100 years.
What more, the Chinese Nobel prizes are all shared ones. The Chinese got one-third to one-half of a Nobel apiece, not full ones like the Indians.
Care to explain why the "high IQ Chinese" managed significantly less compared to the Indians? Why the discrepancy?
INDIAN AMERICANS vs. CHINESE AMERICANS
Care also to explain why Indians have been so successful in the West, in comparison to the Chinese? In the USA, the Indians are well ahead of all ethnic other communities, including the Jews, the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese, in education, academic success, as well as wealth.
If only high IQ Indians manage to come to the West, the same filter should apply to Chinese immigrants too, correct?