03-05-2009, 09:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Mar 3 2009, 04:04 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Mar 3 2009, 04:04 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->" The truth regarding Xtian population in AP is that they are much more than the official 4% but less than the 19%; probably around 12-13% if we include all the converted folks who still retain their Hindu caste affiliations in the birth and caste certificates.
But if you think they are all voting for YSR, you may be mistaken.
Among the SCs in AP, Mala and Madiga are the two dominant castes, with a lot of Malas being Roman Catholics (in the Coastal belt), whereas CSI is more dominant in Rayalaseema Malas.The Madigas are mostly Hindu/Buddhist, and they are more in number in Telangana.With the MRPS (Madiga Rakshana Porata Samiti) attack on State Congress HQ at the same time as Sonia was addressing an insipid meeting few km away, things are in a turmoil.The Madigas are calling YSR a cheat and are vowing to align with other political forces to defeat Congress. (YSR promised to split SC quota so that Madigas get benefited equally compared to Malas and he didnât do it).
BJP can bring its own Dalit leaders into the fray and get MRPS support.That could tilt a few Telangana seats actually."
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From comment 40 (Kumar) on Offstumped--"India Elections 2009 Countdown Begins"
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This information is inaccurate and this kind of information and in general about YSR is misleading the un-informed in a way that is not helping.
Malas and Madigas are the main castes of SC community. There are few more castes like Adi-Dravida etc. They are across AP that includes Rayalaseema and Telangana. There are almost 60 to 70 sub castes inside these SC castes. However, no one goes by those sub-caste names.
Regarding conversion, maximum conversion happened in Coastal AP and next was in Rayalaseema. In Telangana, it was the least.
In AP the conversion was started in the middle castes like Kammas, Reddys and Kapus. These are all forward castes. No one wanted to dilute the caste after the conversion. However all the forward castes that converted were Catholics. These folks possess a lot of money as well and hence you see huge institutions in cities like Guntur and Vijayawada. to keep their identity they named themselves as Robert Chaudary (kammas), joseph reddy (reddys) etc. No inter marriages.
There are very few SCs who converted to Catholics and even if they converted to Catholics, they belong Roman Catholic church. 90% of SCs converted to Protestant church with diffrent names. Malas and Madigas also wanted to keep their identites. Malas converted to Baptist church and Madigas converted to Luthern church.
One more thing and an important one regarding reservations. AP is the only state that has provided reservations for converted dalits. However, it is not under SC category but under Backward Classes. there is a sub category called as BC-C.
SCs are solidly with congress and TDP could not break this block for many reasons which is a larger topic on its own. To break this what TDP did was categorization of SCs as SC-A, SC-B, SC-C etc. As Madigas are more in population they have proposed to give a large portion of the percentage to Madigas. Supreme Court rejected and this needs a legislation in Parliament. NDA government and UPA government did not help and Madigas are now revolting against Congress for cheating. However, inspite of the the revolt, I do not think SCs will vote to anyone except Congress.
By the way the conversions in AP could be about 20% and definitely not less than that and this happend since 1960 and not just under YSR. It is cyberworld's myth that everything happend/increased exponentially during YSR.
But if you think they are all voting for YSR, you may be mistaken.
Among the SCs in AP, Mala and Madiga are the two dominant castes, with a lot of Malas being Roman Catholics (in the Coastal belt), whereas CSI is more dominant in Rayalaseema Malas.The Madigas are mostly Hindu/Buddhist, and they are more in number in Telangana.With the MRPS (Madiga Rakshana Porata Samiti) attack on State Congress HQ at the same time as Sonia was addressing an insipid meeting few km away, things are in a turmoil.The Madigas are calling YSR a cheat and are vowing to align with other political forces to defeat Congress. (YSR promised to split SC quota so that Madigas get benefited equally compared to Malas and he didnât do it).
BJP can bring its own Dalit leaders into the fray and get MRPS support.That could tilt a few Telangana seats actually."
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From comment 40 (Kumar) on Offstumped--"India Elections 2009 Countdown Begins"
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This information is inaccurate and this kind of information and in general about YSR is misleading the un-informed in a way that is not helping.
Malas and Madigas are the main castes of SC community. There are few more castes like Adi-Dravida etc. They are across AP that includes Rayalaseema and Telangana. There are almost 60 to 70 sub castes inside these SC castes. However, no one goes by those sub-caste names.
Regarding conversion, maximum conversion happened in Coastal AP and next was in Rayalaseema. In Telangana, it was the least.
In AP the conversion was started in the middle castes like Kammas, Reddys and Kapus. These are all forward castes. No one wanted to dilute the caste after the conversion. However all the forward castes that converted were Catholics. These folks possess a lot of money as well and hence you see huge institutions in cities like Guntur and Vijayawada. to keep their identity they named themselves as Robert Chaudary (kammas), joseph reddy (reddys) etc. No inter marriages.
There are very few SCs who converted to Catholics and even if they converted to Catholics, they belong Roman Catholic church. 90% of SCs converted to Protestant church with diffrent names. Malas and Madigas also wanted to keep their identites. Malas converted to Baptist church and Madigas converted to Luthern church.
One more thing and an important one regarding reservations. AP is the only state that has provided reservations for converted dalits. However, it is not under SC category but under Backward Classes. there is a sub category called as BC-C.
SCs are solidly with congress and TDP could not break this block for many reasons which is a larger topic on its own. To break this what TDP did was categorization of SCs as SC-A, SC-B, SC-C etc. As Madigas are more in population they have proposed to give a large portion of the percentage to Madigas. Supreme Court rejected and this needs a legislation in Parliament. NDA government and UPA government did not help and Madigas are now revolting against Congress for cheating. However, inspite of the the revolt, I do not think SCs will vote to anyone except Congress.
By the way the conversions in AP could be about 20% and definitely not less than that and this happend since 1960 and not just under YSR. It is cyberworld's myth that everything happend/increased exponentially during YSR.