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The tactics used by America to destroy (East) Asian society
And the other side too has its long-term disadvantages to identity -

1. rbth.asia/society/2013/05/25/the_key_to_a_happy_russo-chinese_marriage_46943.html

Quote:What makes Chinese marry Russians?

May 25, 2013 Larisa Smirnova, RBTH Asia

According to an opinion which is gaining popularity in the Chinese media and social networks, there is a surplus of women in Russia and a surplus of men in China. Therefore, the reasoning goes, mixed Russo-Chinese marriages are the way to go.

The journalists and their readers may also have partially come under the spell of the Chinese TV dating game show You Are the One (Fei Cheng Wu Rao, which is based on the Australian game show Taken Out).

On the show, female participants of Russian origin make it clear that they don't care all that much whether their future husband earns a lot, has a flat and a car (the three mandatory attributes of a worthy groom in the books of Chinese brides). The audience's conclusion is that Russian ladies make low-maintenance wives. But is that really so?

The hard facts

There is actually no surplus of marriage-age women in Russia. According to the latest nationwide census, the ratio of boys to girls in the age group of up to one stood at 105 to 100 in 2010. This trend continues into the age of marriage: the National Research University – Higher School of Economics estimates the average age at first marriage in Russia to be 25 for females and 27 for males. In the age group of 27, there are 989 women for every 1,000 men. The overall surplus of women in Russia is accounted for by the prevalence of females in other age groups.

(The above is useful to know as the oft-mentioned "surplus of Russian women" is not generally broken down by age-group, but such information is precisely what's relevant to discussions of Russian intermarriages with others.)


What makes a happy Russo-Chinese couple?

"I have always had very high standards on men," says Maria, a Russian woman married to a Chinese. "Most of these standards have to do with the man's personal qualities, not his financial or social status, which are also very important factors but not at all decisive."

Maria married Xiao Bo five years ago; one year later they had a son. They live in China but think of themselves as people of the world and speak English to each other.

"I speak Russian and know the Russian culture well," says Zhang Wei, a Chinese businessman who has been married to Anna from Russia since 2008. "We are more of a Russian family; all our habits are European. Although we live in China, I have come to think of the Russians as virtually my people. I have even been baptised! We have a three-month-old son. Our child must grow up international and get used to two different cultures. Our dream is for him to attend school in China for the first six years and then complete his secondary education in Russia. As for a university degree [smiles], he might want to get that in the USA!"

Katya met her future husband Xue Zhu in China in 2007. He knew almost nothing about the Russian culture back then but is doing his best to catch up now.

Katya and Zhu speak Chinese at home but do not consider themselves to be a Chinese couple. "I wouldn't call us either a Russian or a Chinese family," says Katya. "We currently live in China; we have not been thinking seriously of moving so far, but we are citizens of the world and would like to go live somewhere else in the future."

Russian women's expectations

(This entire section is about how Russian women <do things/view things in such and such a way, which seem to be deliberately set up by the Russian female author as an implicit contradistinction to how she *thinks* Chinese women do and view things, or what the "real" motives behind Chinese women's behaviour and views are. BTW, it goes without saying that Chinese women don't come off looking good in such a skewed comparison.)


2. rbth.asia/society/2013/06/18/russian-chinese_marriages_love_or_convenience_47399.html

Quote:Russian-Chinese marriages: Love or convenience?

June 18, 2013 Artem Zhdanov, RBTH Asia

Russian and Chinese mixed couples: How do they cope with country and culture differences?


Despite active cooperation between the two countries and their geographic proximity, there has not been a significant increase in the number of Russian-Chinese marriages. Even in border areas, mixed marriages are more of a rarity than an ordinary thing. This observation is confirmed by statistics: according to the Maritime Territory registry office, in 2009, there were 14 Russian-Chinese weddings in the region; in 2010, 13; and in 2011, just 10. In Harbin, which is considered to be China's most "Russian" city and where at the start of the last century there were tens of thousands Russian migrants, there are now hardly more than 200 Russian-Chinese mixed families.

(Yet see also articles further articles below)

Usually, in these families the husband is Chinese, while the wife is Russian. This is partly due to demographic factors: in Russia, like in the most of the world, there are more women than men, whereas in China the situation is the opposite and men greatly outnumber women.

But this is not all. There are several other reasons that are believed to prompt Chinese men to look for their other half among Russian women. First, it is considered prestigious; second, the "one family – one child" policy does not apply to mixed marriages; and third, it gives them an opportunity to get Russian citizenship. At the same time, many believe that Russian girls marry Chinese men for their money and because they want to move to China. In reality however, the reasons lie in the realm of feelings.

("It is considered prestigious" -> isn't that the same excuse with many westernised Indian or America's African men marrying European-origin women? Why are Chinese men uniquely censured for this?

Yekaterina Komova, 28, and Qin Jianping (秦剑平), 25, have been living together for nearly two years. They live and work in Beijing. Yekaterina is working in a news agency, while her partner is a musician. "As for Chinese men's good qualities, they are great at fixing things around the house, they care about their family, they treat their wives with respect and as their equals. As for cultural differences, many think that they are a downside, but I believe the opposite is true: they make things far more interesting, one can learn a lot about the language and culture of another country. As for all those 'culture clashes' that allegedly prevent many people from building relationships, they could be classed together with so-called 'personality differences'.

(Can note that the blue things above are quite opposite to the stereotype of Chinese men promoted by the far-west. But then, the same set of articles contained in this post then go to run down Chinese women as not being worthy of Chinese men, or make them seem mercenary rather than practical, despite Russian women actually being no less practical in their choice, though that last aspect is simply denied and brushed off.)


While Chinese men, who think that Chinese women are mercenary and spoilt, are looking for wives among Russian girls, women in China have developed a new fad too: they are looking for husbands among foreigners. Very often it is just a "means" to go abroad or improve their financial situation.

However, according to a Beijing dating agency, men from Russia are not in great demand as Chinese women are more interested in candidates from the USA and Europe. This is partly due to stereotypes that still hold sway among Chinese women: that men in Russia drink a lot and beat their wives. However, there are also Chinese women who have proven by their personal experience that this is no more than a prejudice.

(As an aside, ^these^ and far worse stereotypes of Russian men is more common still in the west where it has been promoted by and in the west for decades, so that all inter-marriages between western Europeans/Americans and Slavic esp. Russian women has been uni-directional: western men marry Slavic women, Slavic men marry Slavic women.)

Chen Xingyan (陈幸欣), 29, has been living in Kazan since 2006; she married a Russian man four years ago. "There are many stereotypes among the Chinese about Russian men, unfortunately, almost always unfavourable. For example, that Russian men drink vodka all the time, are unfaithful to their wives and so on. In fact, there are many responsible and decent men in Russia, who love their family. While bad examples can be found among Chinese men, too. Everything depends on the person, not on their nationality," she says.

(Yet this more even-handed view of considering "individuals" is exactly what AmriKKKa's subversionist projection about E Asians existing in their midst will not allow: E Asian men are made invisible else painted as undesirable in every way.)


There are no legal barriers for Russian and Chinese nationals to marry each other. For a Chinese national to get married in Russia, they must be over 18 years old, present a note, verified at the Chinese consulate, that they are not married in China, and have a valid passport with a Russian visa. For a marriage to take place in China, the requirements are the same, except that the age threshold is different: for women it is 20 years and for men, 22.

Most of the couples featured above live in China or are planning to move there. They believe that a young family has more opportunities in a fast-growing Chinese economy.


(Since they're mostly settling in China - as stated above - there is obviously still an element of self-preservation/"mercenary" nature to the Russian bride's choice. Then why unfairly criticise Chinese women who know the difficult realities of finding a home etc in fast-modernising Chinese cities too well?)

3. The sole comment on the above article is interesting:

Quote:Scizor Winchester

Wait,if marriage between Chinese men and Russian women is very little,only as many as 10-15 marriage each year,then why is this Russian MP so insecure and said biggest threat come from Chinese men.


And why is pravda reported that there are tens of thousands of marriage between Chinese men and Russian women?


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4. Already knew about the intermarriage disparity between Russians and Americans(/W Europeans) - but didn't know it was being consciously promoted even in Russia:


Quote:Americans Marry Russian Women. What For?


American men use Russian women for self-affirmation. The latter seem to be liking this fact

Marriages between Russian women and American men are very successful and harmonious, Olga Makhovskaya, the senior research assistant at the Psychology Institute in Russia's Academy of Sciences says. When an American man switches from the model of American family where husband and wife are partners equal in rights to the model of an Orthodox family, he thus raises his own significance. In Orthodox families men are given more authority and are more respected. It is certainly an advantage for a man and raises his social and psychological status. In a word, American men seem to have tired of the feminism propagated by American women, and it is frequent that they seek Russian women to start families.

Russian wives in America give up the traditional model of the Russian Orthodox family which relieves them of a heavy burden of responsibility and gives a chance to have a normal life in a family where the range of responsibilities is more definite for them: children, family affairs and housekeeping. At that, Russian women enjoy more attention and support from husbands.

(AmeriKKKans regularly troll "traditional" christian countries (e.g. catholic Philippines and orthodox Ukraine/Russia etc) for women, in pursuit of the dream of more stable families - "less chance of divorce" (since divorce is forbidden for Filipinos) - and more obedient/less demanding wife. )

As psychologists say, now Russian men undervalue the essence of family. The whole of the burden, housekeeping, upbringing of children, earning of money are shifted onto women. And, at the time when Russian women have so much responsibilities, their husbands spend their time dozing in front of TV sets in desperate attempts to find out the meaning of life and to understand the truth of the universe. They merely disregard everyday problems that are essential for their families as they consider the above mentioned idle thinking to be of higher importance.

That is why, as Olga Makhovskaya thinks relations in families between Russian and American partners are more harmonious. Each party gets what it wants to have. Husbands get authority and status, and wives are given, in exchange, peace in family and well-being. "Families of this kind where husbands are Americans and women are Russians prove to be long-living, as the roles in the family are clearly distributed and the mechanism operates good, although these are mixed families. In such families each of the couple is ready to make concessions and on the whole, wonderfully performs the role."

(Wait, is that a Russian "Maxine Hong Kingston/Amy Tan" type argument for a Russian Female + AmeriKKKan Male combination? Is there any version of this story where W-Europe doesn't always come out on top?)

In addition, as researches held by Olga Makhovskaya reveal, marriages between Chinese men and Russian women are also very successful. “There are tens of thousands of such marriages in Russia's Primorye region in the Far East. Chinese men are hard-working, they don't abuse in alcohol drinking and bring their wages home. In a word, they have lots of advantages by contrast with Russian men." It is sad, but the researches don't mention for whom Russian men suit wonderfully.

(While it's nice to see how for once Chinese men aren't run down, can't help wonder at how easily people dismiss their own kind as unworthy. I wonder where such betrayal is born... And why do western European men get to escape it, when they deserve it far more, having illegally crowned themselves top of the food chain - by propaganda against Asian and Slavic men - and from where W-European men go about still living out their colonial fantasies by collecting Asian trophy wives and in recent decades also Slavic ones?

And doesn't it bother Russian women? Since, after all, W-Europe is the sink where most Traffick of women - including famously that of E European and Asian women - finds termination. The other sink is the islamic ME.)

Olga Blagodarova

The Tatarstan Izvestia newspaper

5. Note that the following is from almost a decade ago and the laws mentioned may perhaps not have been implemented or not hold now, but the intermarriage disparity must be somewhat significant as it has not gone unnoticed:


Quote:Hands off our women, Russian nationalist MP tells foreigners

By Andrew Osborn in Moscow Sunday 12 June 2005

Scandalised by the fact that some of Russia's most beautiful women are opting to marry foreigners instead of Russians, the ultra-nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky is backing a bill that would make them think twice before exchanging vows with a non-Russian.

His party, the incongruously named Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR), has drafted a draconian marriage bill that will now be considered by the Duma, the Russian parliament.

It envisages severe penalties for Russian girls or women who "unpatriotically" choose to wed a foreigner, a trend the LDPR believes is robbing the country's gene pool of its greatest resource.

In rhetoric uncomfortably reminiscent of that used by the Nazis, the party believes that the large number of Russian women taking foreign spouses is a threat to national security that risks undermining Russian identity and "the purity of the Russian race". It is proposing punishing such female "traitors" by stripping them of their Russian citizenship, deporting them to the country of their new husband and never allowing them to return. The LDPR also wants them to feel the pain in their pockets and is suggesting that their Russian assets be automatically distributed among their relatives or given to the state.

The bill has formally been proposed by LDPR MP Nikolai Kuryanovich, a member of the parliament's powerful National Security Committee, with the explicit backing of the fiery Mr Zhirinovsky. "Our wonderful women are the best in the world," Mr Kuryanovich told Ekho Moskvy radio. "Wherever I have been, I have rarely seen beautiful girls, only in Russia and some other Slav nations."

Calling Russia's female population a "national treasure", the MP said it must not be "spoilt" by unpatriotic weddings. The bill was being introduced "in order not to squander our gene pool".

If nothing was done, said Mr Kuryanovich, outsiders would acquire worrying levels of influence and territory in Russia through their spouses. The offspring of such ill-advised matches would not grow up to be "genuine" Russians. He saw the biggest threat coming from Chinese men, whose choice of potential spouses at home has been restricted by Beijing's "one child" policy. Many have settled in Russia's far east with Russian brides, who appreciate the fact that their foreign husbands tend to drink far less than local men.

"If we don't react now, in 50 or 100 years the Chinese and other Asian nations will be masters in our house and the Russians will become service staff," claimed the MP.

Though the bill is unlikely to become law, because it does not enjoy the support of President Vladimir Putin's powerful United Russia party, the fact that it has been proposed, and will be seriously considered by the parliament, has alarmed some. Lev Ponomarev, a human rights activist, said it reminded him of the ban on marrying foreigners introduced by Stalin in 1947. "These are attempts to restore the Soviet Union," he said. "This is another step towards the creation of a new Stalinist regime."

Mr Zhirinovsky and his associates seem unlikely to dampen Russian women's desire for a "normal" life in the West with a foreign husband. A poll by Ogonyok magazine last year showed that one in three 17- to 25-year-old women dreamt of marrying a foreigner.

(Red bit indicates that the Russian woman's primary preference is for western, i.e. European-origin, male.)

While it is understandable that populations fear losing females [or males] to competing populations (e.g. in this case, losing Russian women to China or AmeriKKKa, which last is a traditional enemy of Russia) - and which fears have been expressed in some manner or other by other people who're suffering from peculiar gender-drain too - some of the above statements are quite over the top besides being obviously racist: There's long been a very large E-Asian-looking population in Russia, speaking Russian. Seen in several Soviet films made in the was it 60s/70s (?) or so featuring all-E Asian looking actors, yet speaking Russian. They weren't Siberian or far-NE Russian populations either, and looked actually Chinese rather than Mongolian.

So whether new additions would be more Chinese than Russian, or would integrate into becoming "culturally-Russian" as happened before is not yet known.

Further, considering that so many Chinese men married to Russian women (and some even converting to orthodox christianism) consider themselves "citizens of the world" rather than Chinese, or even consider themselves more Russian than Chinese means that Russia has little to fear, practically.

I wonder what Indians will do, if ever in the same position (the whole "rape" accusation has certainly somewhat limited Indian men's chances for the foreseeable future; which IMO is a good thing for Hindoo society. On the other hand, since the international projection of Indian males as rapists was at least partly in order to alienate Indian women, Hindoo society is not entirely safe from further tampering).

Actually, I take it back: don't really care about what modern Indians do. They're more wannabe-western (yet more lame) than other non-W-European populations. It suffices that I know what they *would* do if the circumstances were made right for it by social engineering: no population that falls harder for soc eng, after all.

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