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Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 4
Christianity is a criminal religion based upon a false myth of Jesus. Is Jesus going to save the butts of aliens on other planets too, or just humans? What a hoax, the Celtic Sun God morphed into Jesus.

Xtian nuts, leave me and Hindus the hell alone, or we won't leave you alone.

Guys, I was reading LKA autobiography and the situation in NE is pretty bad. There is a terrorist group called NLFT in Tripura funded by US baptists which wants to establish Christian nation over there. They have been forcing tribals not to peform Durga Puja, not to wear bangles and bindis.

Truly shocking. Does the RSS have any programs to counter this. O.therwise NE will be lost forever. We have to hinduize the NE to keep it as part of India
"NLFT The christian al-qaeda"

Meanwhile eternal christian lying in the form of the Oryan-Dravidian theology has worked some more miracles since according "Strong Religion, Zealous Media"; Author: Pradip Ninan Thomas, Tamizh Nadu has 62 million christoterrorists and counting now.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Looking at Christianity' s handshake with media in India</b>
Posted July 22, 2008

One of the reasons why Thomas took up the study of modern-day Christian fundamentalism <b>in Tamil Nadu is because as many as 62 million people in the southern state follow the religion.

"Chennai is today considered the fastest-growing hub of Christianity in South Asia," he says.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How did Kanchi Shankaracharya get framed for murder and arrested and tortured by christian police. The answer is rather apparent.
62 million, wow. That is 95% of the current TN population.

Is this Jesus Math?
Add the details of the Haywood caper in this thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Aug 20 2008, 10:48 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Aug 20 2008, 10:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Add the details of the Haywood caper in this thread.

Let me give you my understanding of the Haywood episode

IMHO, Haywood had links with naxals and liberation theologists

And created this so called hacked email for their purposes

And thanks to links between naxals and SIMI, SIMI borrowed the hacked email
Which Hindu group can I give money to, which specifically counteracts Christian terrorist activity?

<!--QuoteBegin-agnivayu+Aug 21 2008, 08:41 AM-->QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 21 2008, 08:41 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Which Hindu group can I give money to, which specifically counteracts Christian terrorist activity?

In south India, it is SV.Badri
He can be reached through RSS or VHP Chennai

<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Aug 21 2008, 07:09 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Aug 21 2008, 07:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->..
IMHO, Haywood had links with naxals and liberation theologists

And created this so called hacked email for their purposes

And thanks to links between naxals and SIMI, SIMI borrowed the hacked email

Rahul Baba's Kalavati speech showed American hand as well.

There is further link to trust vote denouement when diversion was desperately needed by kangressis. Amar Singh toured US and was taken into confidence. He returns, Commies announce mahasangram to grandstand to their base. "shadowboxing" tamasha ensues and americans end with congratulating PM for smooth management of Indian internal affairs. Already they are involved in cultivating Northeast groups, Arundhatis/FOIL/"Dalitists", Pakistan, and missionary groups; SIMI is only the next logical step. If they can recklessly deploy color revolutions against Russia, then India is a rather simple affair given current level of decolonization.
Above posts more important.

<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Aug 20 2008, 10:16 PM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Aug 20 2008, 10:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->62 million, wow. That is 95% of the current TN population.

Is this Jesus Math?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes jesus math. Entertaining isn't it? Large numbers, however fake, makes them feel better.

But they are feeling very confident to brave so preposterously bloated a figure, so there must be a large number of crypto christians (nowhere near 62 mill of course). There's always a factor we have to divide the numbers christos quote to get to the actual estimate, but this factor varies from country to country.

Funny how their brag of 62 million in TN would mean >5% of India's population is christian if <i>only</i> christians in the state were counted, even though they regularly repeat their sob story of how they're a 2% minority in India when they're at 6%. Shame that instead of being embarassed they often feel proud of their lies and continue repeating them. So we should hold their lies over their head regularly <!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

However, there are many crypto christians in TN - at least, they are positioned in pivot places, where they often playact as pseculars and use Hindu names (throwing themselves uninvited into discussions with "I am a Hindu too, but you are all Hindutva") and at other times they start by saying how they are not at all christoislamic but are objective and then go about praising christoislamicommunism and quoting the missionary handbook against Hindu Dharma. You can always tell a crypto christian from the fact that they are <i>pseudo</i>-secular to a tee or play feminists or even 'objective' communists (while trying to thrash only Hindu Dharma).

Must not underestimate importance of pivot points, a good distance will provide better leverage which means less force needs to be applied. Even when their numbers are nowhere near the majority, they have a lot of clout because of the strategic places they occupy.

Their ideology encourages lying - the "62 million" claim above being but yet another instance. They're following in the footsteps of some early santa - another christian who also couldn't count to save his life and so made up some large figure to make the harvested sheep feel less alone. (The christian saints and church held that maths was devilry so don't blame him for his ineptitude; and the only 'math' in the bible concerns the vast multitudes of people that fictional terrorist gawd jeebusjehovallah regularly smote.)

And the search confirms:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.htm Historian Joseph McCabe:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->First of all let us make quite sure that the triumph had not been substantially won, as ordinary believers think, and religious writers encourage them to think, before the conversion of Constantine. How many Christians were there in the Roman Empire in the first decade of the fourth century?

This point is of very great importance and interest, and we are going to study it for ourselves. One reason is that the estimate is difficult, and the figures vary from five millions

The Christians were mainly in the ignorant east, especially Asia Minor (which had a larger population then than now) and Armenia. Antioch was the greatest city of the east, and it had half a million inhabitants. Its famous bishop and orator, <b>St. John Chrysostom</b>, tells us that he had in it one hundred thousand followers about the year 385. This was after seventy years of imperial favor, under the fanatically Christian Emperor Theodosius and the greatest orator of the Christian world. I would add that the figure is (as religious writers forget to say) a mere guess. What John really says, in a sermon in which he has every reason to exaggerate, is: "I believe we reach the number of a hundred thousand." In any case, we can safely assume that seventy years earlier even at Antioch, the heart of eastern Christendom, there were not more than fifty thousand Christians.

In short, it is liberal to grant, in the year 310, three million nominal Christians amongst the hundred millions of the Roman Empire; and the persecution had driven most of these back to the temples. Moreover, the vast majority were in rural Armenia (to which Schultze assigns no less than two million out of his three million seven hundred and fifty thousand), Syria, and Asia Minor. The gospel, after nearly three centuries of propaganda, was a failure.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The untouchables of France


The last untouchable in Europe

The only living Cagot traces the roots of her pariah people, who endured centuries of brutal prejudice for reasons no one can even remember

By Sean Thomas
Monday, 28 July 2008
Marie-Pierre Manet-Beauzac: she discovered her Cagot ancestry through family research Sitting in her little house near Tarbes, in the French Pyrenees, Marie-Pierre Manet-Beauzac is talking about her ancestry.

For most people this would be agreeable, perhaps even pleasurable. For the 40-something mother-of-three, the story of her bloodline is marked with a unique sadness: because she belongs to an extraordinary tribe of hidden pariahs, repressed in France for a thousand years.

Marie-Pierre is a Cagot.

If the word "Cagot" means nothing to you, that is not surprising. The history of the Cagot people is obscure; some assert it has been deliberately erased. Marie certainly believes that: "To talk about the Cagots is still a bad thing in the mountains. The French are ashamed of what they did to us, the Cagots are ashamed of what they were. That is why no one, these days, will confess they are of Cagot descent."

Except, uniquely, for Marie-Pierre herself. She is probably the only person in the world willing to admit she is of Cagot blood. But it took her many years to realise what that meant. "When I first had children, I wanted to know where they came from – which means where I came from. And so I started researching, I traced my family tree back through the generations – through many villages and towns in the Pyrenees.

"And that's when I noticed certain names and trades in my background, lots of humble carpenters, basket-makers, poor people, people who lived in the 'wrong' parts of town. Soon I realised I was a Cagot. Though many argue what that really means."

As Marie-Pierre avers, the truth about the Cagots is obscure. The people first emerge in documents around the 13th century. By then they are already regarded as an inferior caste, the "untouchables" of western France, or northern Spain. In medieval times the Cagots – also knows as Agotes, Gahets, Capets, Caqueux, etc – were divided from the general peasantry in several ways. They had their own urban districts: usually on the malarial side of the river. These dismal ghettoes were known as Cagoteries; traces of them can still be found in Pyrenean communities such as Campan or Hagetmau.

For hundreds of years, Cagots were treated as different and inferior. In the churches, they had to use their own doors (at least 60 Pyrenean churches still boast "Cagot" entrances); they had their own fonts; and they were given communion on the end of long wooden spoons. Marie-Pierre adds: "When a Cagot came into a town, they had to report their presence by shaking a rattle. Just like a leper, ringing his bell."

Daily Cagot life was likewise marked by apartheid. Cagots were forbidden to enter most trades or professions. They were forced, in effect, to be the drawers of water and hewers of wood. So they made barrels for wine and coffins for the dead. They also became expert carpenters: ironically they built many of the Pyrenean churches from which they were partly excluded.

Some of the other prohibitions on the Cagots were bizarre. They were not allowed to walk barefoot, like normal peasants, which gave rise to the legend that they had webbed toes. Cagots could not use the same baths as other people. They were not allowed to touch the parapets of bridges. When they went about, they had to wear a goose's foot conspicuously pinned to their clothes.

Marie-Pierre sighs. "The Cagots weren't even allowed to eat alongside non-Cagots, nor share their dishes. Some said the Cagots were psychotic, even cannibals." As for marriage between Cagots and non-Cagots, it was almost impossible. Nonetheless, love affairs across the divide did occur – there are poignant songs from the 16th and 17th centuries lamenting these tragic misalliances.

On occasions, the bigotry was brutally enforced: in the early 18th century a prosperous Cagot in the Landes was caught using the font reserved for non-Cagots – his hand was chopped off and nailed to the church door. Another Cagot who dared to farm his fields (strictly verboten) had his feet pierced with hot iron spikes. "If there was any crime in a village," says Marie-Pierre, "the Cagot was usually blamed. Some were actually burned at the stake." Even in death, the discrimination persisted – the Cagots were buried in their own humble cemeteries; there is still one in Bentayou-Sérée, a tiny village north of Pau.

So where did the Cagots originate? And why did they suffer such bigotry?

Their provenance is opaque. That is partly because the Cagots themselves have disappeared from view. During the French Revolution, the laws against Cagots were formally abandoned – indeed many Cagots pillaged local archives and erased any record of their ancestry. After 1789, the Cagots slowly assimilated into the general populace; many may have even emigrated.

Nonetheless, there are historical accounts that afford an intriguing glimpse. Contemporary sources describe them as being short, dark and stocky. Confusingly, some others saw them as blonde and blue eyed. Francisque Michel's Histoire des races maudites (History of the cursed races, 1847), was one of the first studies. He found Cagots had "frizzy brown hair". He also found at least 10,000 Cagots still scattered across Gascony and Navarre, still suffering repression – nearly 70 years after the Cagot caste was "abolished".

Since Michel's pioneering work, various historians have tried to solve the Cagot mystery. One theory is that they were lepers, or contagious cretins. That would explain the rules against Cagots "touching" anything used by non-Cagots. However, this theory falls down on the many descriptions of the Cagots being perfectly healthy, even sturdy.

Another idea, as Marie-Pierre implies, is that the Cagots were slaves of the Goths who inundated France in the Dark Ages. From here, etymologists have deduced that "ca-got" comes from "cani Gothi" – "dogs of the Goths". But that idea fails to explain the many variants of the Cagot name, nor does it square with the geographical distribution. In fact, the Cagot name probably derives from "cack" or "caca", a term of abuse in itself.

Last year, a new theory emerged, propounded by the British writer Graham Robb in his book The Discovery of France. Robb suggests that the Cagots were originally a guild of skilled medieval woodworkers; in this light, the bigotry against them was commercial rivalry, which became fossilised and regimented over time.

So who is right? It's a confusing picture. But Marie-Pierre Manet-Beauzac, "the last Cagot in the world", has no doubts where she comes from: "I believe the Cagots are descendants of Moorish soldiers left over from the 8th century Muslim invasion of Spain and France. That's why some people called them 'Saracens'. I am quite dark, and my daughter Sylvia is the darkest in her class."

And her theory, of the Cagots being converted but still-distrusted Muslims, is supported by many French experts: because it neatly explains the religious disapproval of the Cagots. As for the geographical spread, that's probably linked to the St James pilgrim routes.

Marie-Pierre shows me a website where she is gathering information about Cagot life. She points to a list of villages associated with Les Agotes.

"Some like to say Cagots have disappeared. But this is not true. If you travel near Campan, for instance, you can still see the short, swarthy people descended from the Cagots. The 'pestiferous people'."

I ask Marie-Pierre if she will let me use a picture of Sylvia – and the rest of her children. She shakes her head. "I'm sorry but no. It is OK for me to admit where I come from. But if people knew about my children's background, it might be difficult for them."

She gazes out of the window, at the distant green Pyrenees. "In some places, the hatred lingers. Even now. The Cagots may be silent but I can still hear it."
Above post by G Sub is very important, but this is too:

"Religion of Tamizhar": An International Conference is a camouflage or subversion of Hindus?
by Veda Prakash

The footnotes are important too.
This is the same swami who was attacked last christmas by christians which led to Kandmahal violence in Orissa. Now he is killed by Naxalites. Are the church and naxalites somehow linked. They seem to have the same purpose.


Naxals attack ashram in Orissa, kill 5

Suspected Naxals on Saturday night gunned down at least five persons at an ashram for girls in Orissa's Kandhmal district. Prominent Vishwa Hindu Parishad leader Laxmananda Saraswati could be among the dead.

"I have received reports of five deaths. However, I have to re-check before confirming the death of Laxmananda Saraswati," Deputy General of Police Gopal Chandra Nanda told PTI.

However, according to Subhash Chouhan, the national convenor of Bajrang Dal, Laxmanananda was among the five persons killed in the incident.

The victims include two inmates of the ashram, Chouhan said.

The incident took place at Laxmananda's kanyashram at Tumudibandh, about 100 km from Phulbani, the district headquarters of Kandhmal district.

A group of nearly 30 armed Naxals attacked the ashram, said an eyewitness. The killing triggered panic across Kandhmal district.

Home Secretary T K Mishra asked the Centre to rush two additional battalions of paramilitary forces to the tribal-dominated and communally sensitive Kandhmal district to deal with any eventuality.

"I spoke to the union Home Secretary to rush additional forces and allow extension of the stay of seven companies of the Central Reserve Police Force, which had been deployed in the district since December, 2007 when communal violence had broken out there," he said.

Meanwhile, Sangh Parivar's Vishwa Sambad Kendra, Orissa, has claimed a letter threatening to abduct Laxmananda Saraswati had been received at his main ashram at Chakapada in Kandhmal district.

The letter was posted on August 9 and received at the ashram on August 22, the Kendra claimed in a statement adding that a complaint in this regard was lodged at Tumudibandha police station.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Anti-conversion swami, 4 others shot dead
Subhasis Mohanty | Bhubaneswar
Late night attack on ashram in Orissa's Kandhamal
Swami Laxmananda Saraswati, the 80-year-old monk who spearheaded the anti-conversion movement in Orissa's tribal dominated areas for decades, was shot dead at his Jalespata Ashram under Tumudibandha block in Kandhamal district late Saturday night.   

Reports reaching Bhubaneswar said a group of 20 to 25 people, armed with guns, barged into the ashram at 9.35 pm and attacked him. They lobbed a hand-grenade and fired indiscriminately. Swami Laxmananda Saraswati and four others who lived in the ashram died on the spot. Among them was a woman.

Director-General of Police Gopal Nanda confirmed the murderous attack on Swami Laxmananda Saraswati's ashram. The police suspect the killers to be Maoists. The district administration has mobilised police force and rushed CRPF companies to the spot. The District Collector and the SP have also rushed to Tumudibandha to take stock of the situation.

Widescale violence is feared in Orissa. People have started resorting to road blockade to ventilate their anger in different parts of the State. People in Dhenkanal district came out openly and blocked the roads.

An alert has been issued and all District Collectors have been asked to maintain strict vigil.

Swami Laxmananda Saraswati had received a letter, threatening that he would be kidnapped from his Chakapada Ashram in Kandhamal district in the next seven days. Ashram authorities received the letter on Friday. It had been posted from Barinipur post office.

They also filed an FIR on Friday. The letter-writer had identified himself as a member of the 'Pahari Group'.

Viswa Hindu Parishad general secretary Gouri Prasad Rath had subsequently sought increased security cover for Swami Laxmananda Saraswati.

<b>Before the police could react, he was shot dead.</b>

<b>Swami Laxmananda Saraswati came to tribal-dominated Kandhamal in 1966. Since then he has been leading a campaign against conversion activities of Christian missionaries. He has also been in the forefront of the campaign against cow-slaughter. It was because of his sustained efforts that thousands of tribals who had embraced Christianity returned to the Hindu fold. </b>

Later, he set up an ashram at Chakpada and a Kanya Ashram (girls residential school) at Jalespata in Kandhmal district. He spent his life promoting literacy and combating conversions in this tribal-dominated district. For this, he earned the wrath of Christian missionaries and was attacked on several occasions.

On December 25, 2007, he was attacked by a section of the Christian community and his security guard was severely injured. Later, clashes erupted in Phulbani and other areas.

Curfew was imposed in Baliguda, Daringbadi and Brahmani Gaon as well as the district headquarters of Kandhamal for more than a month to restore peace. Swami Laxmananda Saraswati's murder could give rise to tension.

Reacting sharply to the ghastly incident, the State BJP president said the culprits should be arrested immediately. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad expressed shock over the killings.
Another gift by Moron Singh before Krishna Janamasthmi to Hindus.
While naxals are being blamed, it actually was done by xtian missionaries
That's what I think too. They are blaming the naxals but it is in fact the missionaries who are behind this. They should be made to pay.
If the Maoists are against religion, how come they don't attack the missionaries. This selective attack shows that the church is working with the maoists. VHP should avenge this attack.
Christianism <i>is</i> terrorism. Demonic religion.
Christians kill every anti-conversion swami. I read how they also killed some famous Sri Lankan Buddhist monk who was anti-conversion. Here: http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4g.htm
See the heading
"Mysterious death of Buddhist leader, assassination attempts on Hindu leader - both opposed to conversions.
Death threats to Buddhist leaders who are against unethical conversions."

Swami Laxmananda Saraswati's life and life's work should not be allowed to have been in vain. It must be continued.
Hindus should petition the Shankaracharya in Varanasi who is on a fast-to-death over Amarnath to stop his fast-to-death and appoint a successor. Then he should himself come to Orissa to take the place of Swami Laxmananda Saraswati and continue the Dharmic work of protecting Hindus. The reason I suggest this is because the Varanasi Swami is willing to sacrifice his life already (it would go to waste that way), instead he can donate his vow to Bhagavan/Ishwara to this new endeavour which will be dangerous but where he can make his life useful to Hindu Dharma. (Cretin Sonia Goonda and her cretin minions Ambika Soni, John Dayal, Margaret what's-its-face etcetera would like nothing better than that Varanasi Shankaracharya fasts himself to death.)

Christoterrorists are hoping no one will fill the void of Swami Laxmananda. Because that would then mean Hindu communities will be left vulnerable to the christo-carion preying on them.
Same problem occurred when christoterrorists pushed false allegations on Kanchi Shankaracharya, because he was doing work that hampered missionaries (explained in some news report by Sandhya Jain). Hindus must never let there be any voids, any openings - must fill them instantly. Christos will keep killing: it is The Christoterrorist Way. But Hindus must keep filling the place of the murdered until the day Evil Christovillainy finally suffocates on its own acidic regurgitation.

There are so many Hindus killing themselves for Amarnath instead of living to fight for it. If any more feel like suicide, how about endangering their lives by trying to protect the vulnerable Dharmics in various parts of Bharatam instead?

<!--QuoteBegin-kharavela+Aug 24 2008, 12:35 PM-->QUOTE(kharavela @ Aug 24 2008, 12:35 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If the Maoists are against religion, how come they don't attack the missionaries. This selective attack shows that the church is working with the maoists. VHP should avenge this attack.[right][snapback]86953[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The Maoists in Orissa - who were called in by the christoterrorists in Orissa after the christos had mobbed on the Swami last time - are christoconverts. They just happen to be *also* maoist. (The line between communism and christoterrorism is kind of blurry in general, but in this case there was no line at all.)

As reported in news pasted here on IF, Raoul Goonda, the spawn of Sonia, went and spoke to his buddies, the christoterrorists in Orissa, after the previous time they attacked the Swami and caused their christianism-instigated ethnic violence. (Probably encouraged them to wait a short while and try again for the Gory of Non-existent Jeebusjehovallah.)
BJP does not beileve that Maoists killed the swami. It is the missionaries who killed the Swami.

Rejecting the state government's claim that the incident was the handiwork of Maoists, he said Laxmanananda had no enmity with red rebels and the reason behind the killing should be thoroughly probed.

"Swamiji was opposed to religious conversion taking place in various parts of Orissa. Those opposed to Swamiji's anti-conversion activities killed him," he said.


BJP backs Orissa bandh to protest VHP leader's killing
Bhubaneswar (PTI): Ruling coalition partner BJP on Sunday extended support to the 12-hour bandh called by Sangh Parivar on Monday and blamed Orissa police for the killing of the VHP leader Laxmananda Saraswati.

"I will blame Orissa police for the killing," state unit president Suresh Pujari told PTI.

He, however, refused to comment on the call by Hindu Jagaran Samukhya for resignation of the BJD-BJP government.

Describing the incident as "unfortunate and painful", he said the government and police were fully aware of the threat to Laxmananada's life. "The police failed to save Swamiji who was killed shortly after a threat notice."

"It was a criminal negligence on part of top police officers," Pujari said while demanding prosecution of senior police officers for the killing.

BJP's memorandum to the state government seeking 'Z plus' security for Laxmananda had been ignored, he said.

Rejecting the state government's claim that the incident was the handiwork of Maoists, he said Laxmanananda had no enmity with red rebels and the reason behind the killing should be thoroughly probed.

"Swamiji was opposed to religious conversion taking place in various parts of Orissa. Those opposed to Swamiji's anti-conversion activities killed him," he said.

Meanwhile, Orissa PCC has sought Governor M C Bhandare's intervention and Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik's resignation after the incident.

"The killing of the Swamiji proves law and order has collapsed in the state," OPCC President Jaydev Jena said after meeting the Governor.

85-year-old Laxmanananda Saraswati, who had been working among tribals against religious conversion, was gunned down on Saturday night at an ashram for girls at Jalespeta in Tumudibandh block.

Christian militants behind the killings.


The police have arrested Pradesh Kumar Das, an employee of the World Vision, a Christian Charity, from Khadagpur while escaping from the district at Buguda. In another drive, two other persons Vikram Digal and William Digal have been arrested from the house of Lal Digal, a local militant Christian, from Nuasahi at Gunjibadi, Nuagaan. They have admitted to having joined a group of 28 other assailants.

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