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US-Election 2008
Ron Paul is more a grass level movement, only problem, he is old and don't have time to make it successful. Media just ignored him. In California, he may do better.
Media was behind only for those candidates who had paid for ads.
A few reasons for Obama

1 Massa gets a jolt plus sets good precedent of minority rule in US
2 will starve global faith based initiatives for want of attention
3 May start fragmentation of American social fabric - less time to meddle in Asia (eg Joshua Project)
4 will withdraw and invite next round of Islamic ire, weakening both sides

Anything wrong with these?
About #2 above:

I think Obama will try to disprove his muslimness (or rumors thereof), and encourage faith-based (xtian-based) initiatives. An understanding woman pres is Dharma's best bet. Also, Hillary would be sure to encourage more diversity than Obama to show people that it is she and not Obama who is more pro-black.
what is their respective stand if any on terroristan?
On terrorism he talks from his behind, I don't think he cares that much. If he win, I can bet, left will ask him to close rest of military base etc. Increase oil price, make cycle with solar battery cheap. If he refuse to d anything, they will create mess like as they did to Carter.

Obama stand is not clear on anything, he is far left. Currently he is stealing lines from Huckabee, McCain, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Chris Mathew, Bill Maher, .....
Oprah will rule, and her faith based agenda will come into play in big way. I am not sure how Muslim countries will treat him.
With Obama he says something but do something. He said, he will never take money from lobbist but over 90K known money he had received from them.
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Middle East is very unstable, it will effect India very much because weak government is ruling India. I think at this stage unstable US is not good for rest of world.
We have to wait and see how Chinese people will react after last two weeks of snow strom and government mismanagement. I think world is heading for big shake up.

Hiliary is better because she is centrist and not a risk taker. They know how to run country and had setup. She will be excellent Commander of Chief.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->With Obama he says something but do something. He said, he will never take money from lobbist but over 90K known money he had received from them. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

From what I understand those donations were from individuals associated with certain lobbies but not from the lobbies themselves. That's his explanation during the debates, I don't believe him. I don't believe Hillary either because she was funded by healthcare industry and then stopped pushing so much for universal health care back in the 90s after the money started coming in.

I'm willing to bet that neither Hillary or Obama will end this war. I'm hundred percent sure troops will stay. Republicans (except for Paul) are overtly in support of the war and Democrats are covertly for the war.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ron Paul is more a grass level movement, only problem, he is old and don't have time to make it successful. Media just ignored him. In California, he may do better.
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Yea he is too old, but media is excluding him not because of money or ads, but because they've already chosen for America the candidates. People raised 4 mil for his campaign in 24 hrs. He's played a few ads too. For what reason did Fox News ban him from the Republican debates, he was also heavily censored in the CNN debates while Romney and McCain were blabbering on about nothing for 10 mins.
Obama will be forced by leftist to bring back forces in 60 days or they will do Carter on him. Don't under estimate those who gets elected by anti-war machine, they lose or treated like Carter.
Bodhi, Ron Paul mentions Musharaf briefly here:


As far as I know he hasn't said anything specific about TSP, from what I can tell he is a non interventionist (no spreading of "democracy" for the savages of the 3rd world u see) and a strict constitutionalist (opposed to the Iraq war and the Patriot Act), a Libertarian I would say.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 4 2008, 10:50 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 4 2008, 10:50 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->About #2 above:

I think Obama will try to disprove his muslimness (or rumors thereof), and encourage faith-based  (xtian-based) initiatives. An understanding woman pres is Dharma's best bet. Also, Hillary would be sure to encourage more diversity than Obama to show people that it is she and not Obama who is more pro-black.
There is already a campaign for Christians for Obamaa. They will hijack the civil rights movement and make it a christian based movement.


Barack Obama's vision for a 'United' States of America is rooted in Jesus Christ's teaching of loving your enemies. Barack Obama discusses religion, faith and politics. Relevant for Mitt Romney's speech about his Mormon faith.

"I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in people's lives — in the lives of the American people — and I think it's time that we join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy."

"Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution."

"As progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse. Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome - others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends."

Keywords: barack obama religion politics christianity christians christian speech spirituality faith in america hope change

"Imagine Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address without reference to "the judgments of the Lord." Or King's I Have a Dream speech without references to "all of God's children." Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny. After all, the problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed, are not simply technical problems in search of the perfect ten point plan. They are rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness - in the imperfections of man. Solving these problems will require changes in government policy, but it will also require changes in hearts and a change in minds."

"We might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country."

Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

"Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application?"


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Support Barack Obama in his vision and mission to bring harmony between believers of all religions, between voters and politicians of both parties, between ethnic groups, between nations and between men and women.


Christ for Barack Obama doesn't mean Christ against the other candidates as some people seem to think is my message. Do you assume that when I say 'Christ loves you' that I mean 'Christ doesn't love your mother' or 'Christ doesn't love the person you are in competition with'? I don't: I've said in my earliest videos that Christ loves every human being and every candidate and is at work in the heart of everyone.

When you assume that 'Christ for Barack Obama' means 'Christ against Hillary' or 'Christ against Rudy' than it is your belief, whether you realize this or not, that Christ is against certain human beings.
It is our responsibility to look at the confusion and absence of love in our heart that makes us think this, to look at the motes in our eyes.

Why did I choose the monicker 'ChristforBarackObama' then? To make people think about this subject and to make people aware of the importance of Barack Obama's Christian faith in his private and political life.

Most importantly though: I believe, and here you might obviously disagree, that of all candidates Barack Obama has done the most work and has accomplished the most in freeing his heart from hatred and petty self-interest to put his life into the service of God and Christ. He tries his best every day to be aware that politics is not about acquiring power but to put power into the service of the common good of the American people and human beings around the world. He shows this by trying not to be attacking persons, not to put his political life in the hands of financial powers and to formulate policies that empower people to make the best of their lives and communities.

More than any policy issue, that's what explains why Barack Obama has connected with the hearts of so many Americans and world citizens. This does not imply he runs as a Christian candidate in the same sense that he is not running as a black candidate. It means people of all religions, agnostics and atheists connect to Obama's inner values of putting aside self-interest and putting aside the notion that Democrats are different and better human beings than Republicans, Christians are better than non-Christians and Americans are better than non-Americans.

He lives the political version of 'Love thy enemies', the core and most difficult teaching Christ has revealed to mankind. For 2000 years most attention in Christianity has been focused on 'Love your neighbours as your neighbours are like you and you are better and more loved by Christ than others'. Now the time has come to recognize Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven are at the center of the soul of every human being and to realize that when we hate another person or group as a whole we hate God and we hate Christ. We can disapprove of other's actions and even be angry about the actions and be angry about their hate, it's a healthy sign of longing for justice. But when we hate the whole person or the whole group we also hate God and Christ who are inseparable of that human being or group.

Christ has given to us his life on earth as Jesus as the example we can follow. If you reject Christ's teaching of 'Love your enemies' you reject Christ's love for you that He conveys in this teaching. What set Christ apart from other human beings is that He loved the Pharisees, the prostitutes, Samaritans, Romans, the thief next to him on the cross, Romans and those that put Him to death. Loving His enemies was what made it possible for Him to bear His cross, loving your enemies is the greatest strength you can acquire in your life.

If, even after this message, you still believe 'Christ for Barack Obama' is blasphemous or unchristian or insulting to you: my apologies. Yet I hope you realize I am responsible for the thoughts and feelings of non-love for others I feel, you are responsible for yours.

Love to you,

Hucabee's playing a spoiler for Romney's conservative pitch and helping McCain in process. Right wing radio show loud mouths (Rush, Levin, Coulter etc) are really pissed but they'll have to rally behind McCain soon as they don't have a choice.
Chances are that it'll be a McCain-Huccabee ticket for GOP.

McCain will be crowned today but if Obama-Clinton isn't settled today (or relatively soon) it'll hurt Dems. Longer the Obama-Clinton plays out, better it'll be for McCain.

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Nothing changes, no matter who. State Dept calls shot and they are all in same mold when it comes to dealing with TSP. All this in my humble opinion onleee.
So Black neo-Christian movement is spreading a secularized Christian framework and they are as captivated as Jindal and Arundhati Roy.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The gospel according to Oprah

Oprah is on a mission. Repeatedly stated, her "mission" is, "I want people to see things on our show that makes them think differently about their lives...To be a light for people. To make a difference...to open their minds and see things differently…how to get in touch with the spiritual part of their life." Unfortunately, the "light" Oprah offers is the "angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14), and "opening their minds," in this case means their brains fall out-they become empty headed (Romans 1:21-25).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Clinton will bring back the next version of Madeleine Albright.
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after first round in West Virgina,
Romney 41%
Huckabee - 37%
McCain - 17%
They are going for next round
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all for grab
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Oprah, Obama, and the New Age Christ!
In January of 2008, on XM Satelite Radio, Ophah will sponsor a year long study on the New Age Christ put forth in the book entitled, A Course In Miracles.

"A Course in Miracles is allegedly a “new revelation” from “Jesus” to help humanity work through these troubled times. This “Jesus” bears no doctrinal resemblance to the Bible’s Jesus Christ.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

A Christ-centered Obama also explains how easily he forgave the Clintonian Race Baiting.
Obama, Romney lead in California on Super Tuesday

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Tue Feb 5, 6:19 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama surged to a big lead over Hillary Clinton in California hours before "Super Tuesday" voting began in 24 states, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.

In the Republican race, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney held a 7-point advantage on Arizona Sen. John McCain in California, while McCain added to commanding double-digit leads in New York and New Jersey.

On a sprawling day of coast-to-coast voting, the biggest ever in a U.S. primary race, the U.S. presidential contenders in both parties were fighting to win a huge cache of delegates to this summer's nominating conventions.

In California, which alone provides more than one-fifth of the Democratic delegates needed for the nomination, Obama led Clinton by 49 percent to 36 percent, the poll found. The margin of error was 3.3 percentage points.

Clinton pulled into a 5-point lead in New Jersey, 46 percent to 41 percent, after being tied on Monday. Obama held a 45 percent to 42 percent edge on Clinton in Missouri. Both polls had a margin of error of 3.4 percentage points.

Obama had a 20-point edge in Georgia, aided by a more than 3-to-1 lead among black voters.

Obama, an Illinois senator, and Clinton, a New York senator, are in a hard-fought battle for the Democratic presidential nomination and split the first four significant contests.

"There is clear Obama momentum in California," pollster John Zogby said. "But in New Jersey, things seemed to swing in favor of Clinton, and Missouri was very mixed."

In the Republican race, Romney maintained a stable 40 percent to 33 percent lead on McCain in California, fueled by heavy support in the southern part of the state and among self-described conservatives. The margin of error was 3.4 percentage points.


Both Romney and McCain made last-minute changes to their campaign schedules to fly to California for late appearances. A Romney win there could be his last hope of blunting McCain's growing momentum in other states.

McCain held a 26-point edge on Romney in New York and a 29-point advantage in New Jersey as he pushed for a convincing triumph that could knock Romney out of the race to be the Republican candidate in November's presidential election.

McCain held a narrow 34 percent to 27 percent lead over former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in Missouri, with Romney running third at 25 percent. The margin of error was 3.4 percentage points.

"It looks like a big day for McCain with Romney making a last stand in California," Zogby said.

The two launched hard-hitting attack ads on Monday questioning each other's conservative credentials before the vote.

McCain won the last two contests, in South Carolina and Florida, to seize the front-runner's slot in a hard-fought Republican race despite qualms among some conservatives about his views on taxes, immigration and campaign finance.

More than half of the total Democratic delegates and about 40 percent of the Republican delegates are up for grabs on Tuesday.

The Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby rolling tracking poll surveyed presidential races in both parties in California, New Jersey and Missouri. The polls also looked at the Republican race in New York and the Democratic race in Georgia.

The rolling polls were taken Saturday through Monday, except for the California survey, which was a two-day poll on Sunday and Monday. In a rolling poll, the most recent day's results are added while the oldest day's results are dropped in order to track changing momentum.
Huckabee wins all 18 W.Va. delegates

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Mike Huckabee won the first contest declared on Super Tuesday, picking up all 18 national delegates awarded at West Virginia's state GOP convention.

Huckabee bested Mitt Romney, who entered the Mountain State event with the largest bloc of pledged convention-goers. Both men and Ron Paul made in-person appeals to the more than 1,100 convention delegates attending Tuesday's convention.

But the former Arkansas governor beat his Massachusetts counterpart after delegates for John McCain defected to his side.

The first round of voting at the state convention produced no winner, but eliminated Paul after his fourth-place finish.

The results are the first from the 21 states with GOP primaries or caucuses Tuesday.

Arizona Sen. John McCain challenged his remaining rivals for control of the Republican presidential race Tuesday in primaries and caucuses from Connecticut to California. Democratic rivals Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama vied for delegates in a grueling campaign with no end in sight.

After an early series of low-delegate, single-state contests, Super Tuesday was anything but — primaries and caucuses spread across nearly half the country in the most wide-open presidential campaign in memory.

McCain was the Republican front-runner, all but unchallenged in winner-take-all primaries in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and his home state of Arizona.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, struggling to sustain his candidacy, concentrated on Missouri and California as well as several caucuses states.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee concentrated in a swath of Southern and border states. Texas Rep. Ron Paul had the fourth spot on the ballot.

In the first contest decided Tuesday, Huckabee won all 18 delegates at the West Virginia GOP convention. Romney had hoped to claim victory there, but with McCain trailing, his backers switched their support to Huckabee to deprive Romney of the win.

Addressing the convention beforehand, Romney asked voters, "Are we going to put a true conservative in the house that Ronald Reagan built or are we going to take a left turn?"

Earlier, on NBC's "Today" show, McCain said he had to convince voters that he is the conservative candidate. "I've got the record, and I can lead this nation in the struggle against radical Islamic extremism," he said.

Obama and Clinton conceded in advance that neither was likely to emerge from the busiest day in primary history with anything more than a relatively narrow edge in Democratic convention delegates.

"Senator Clinton, I think, has to be the prohibitive favorite going in given her name recognition, but we've been steadily chipping away," said Obama, seeking to downplay expectations.

As she voted in Chappaqua, N.Y., Clinton acknowledged, "The stakes are huge."

Already, both campaigns were looking ahead to Feb. 9 contests in Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska and Washington state and Feb. 12 primaries in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia. And increasingly, it looked like the Democrats' historic race between a woman and a black man would go into early spring, possibly longer.

Republicans had 1,023 Super Tuesday delegates at stake in 15 primaries, six caucuses and one state convention.

The evening began with McCain holding 102 delegates, to 93 for Romney, 43 for Huckabee and four for Paul. It takes 1,191 to win up the nomination.

Democrats had 1,681 delegates to allocate in primaries in 15 states and caucuses in seven more plus American Samoa.

Clinton led Obama in the delegate chase as the polls opened, 261 to 196, on the strength of so-called superdelegates. They are members of Congress and other party leaders, not chosen by primary or caucus-goers.

The de facto national primary was the culmination of a relentless campaign that moved into overdrive during Christmas week.

After a brief rest for the holiday, the candidates flew back to Iowa on Dec. 26 for a final stretch of campaigning before the state's caucuses offered the first test of the election year. New Hampshire's traditional first-in-the-nation primary followed a few days later, then a seemingly endless series of campaign days interspersed by debates and a handful of primaries and caucuses.

Along the way, the poorest performers dropped out: Democratic Sens. Joe Biden and Chris Dodd, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio; and Republican Reps. Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo, and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson.

Former Sen. John Edwards pulled out of the Democratic race last week, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani left the Republican field.

Edwards offered no endorsement as he exited, instead leaving Obama and Clinton to vie for help from his fundraisers and supporters.

But Obama benefited from an endorsement by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who made a series of campaign appearances in California as well as his home state of Massachusetts.

Giuliani quit the race and backed McCain in the same breath, clearing the way for the Westerner in New York and New Jersey.

Giuliani's departure also made it possible for California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to back McCain. He said he would not have done so as long as the former mayor was in the race.

Obama and Clinton spent an estimated $20 million combined to advertise on television in the Feb 5 states.

Obama spent $11 million, running ads in 18 of the 22 states with democratic contests. Clinton ran ads in 17, for a total of $9 million.

Neither advertised in Illinois, Obama's home state.


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Obama is declared projected winner.
So it is race based voting.

GOP three way race

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