Continued from previous post.
It's not enough for the christo(islami)terrorists to make others suffer in life, because apparently (if they and their non-existent gawd jeebusjehovallah had their way), we'd be suffering a similar eternal torment, which they look forward to enjoying:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B4.htm#ImmoralHell
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.
-- John Calvin (Reformer, Protestant) in his "Institutes of the Christian Faith"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That according to Calvin eternal punishment was inflicted randomly by the all-benevolent God is at least consistent with Biblical logic.
Calvin is merely echoing Christian teachings that had existed since well before his time. It's obvious that Christians from early times had also grappled with the irrationality of God punishing people who could not possibly have known of Jesus. The way they answered this clearly says much about how compassionate they were:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You are fond of spectacles, expect the greatest of all spectacles, the last and eternal judgement of the universe. How shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many proud monarchs, and fancied god, groaning in the lower abyss of darkness; so many magistrates, who persecuted the name of the Lord, liquefying in fiercer fires than they ever kindled against the Christians; so many sage philosophers blushing in red-hot flames with the deluded scholars; so many celebrated poets trembling before the tribunal ... of Christ; so many tragedians, more tuneful in the expression of their own sufferings; so many dangers...
-- Church father Tertullian in Apologeticum (2nd century)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aquinas, whom the Catholic Church gave the title "Angelic Doctor", imagined that one of the rewards of heavenly bliss is to be able to witness the suffering of the damned in hell:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->That the saints may enjoy their beatitude more fully, a perfect sight is granted them of the punishment of the damned.
-- St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, 13th century<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Since that's not evangelism either, you're fine with them tormenting you in life for being an unbeliever and wanting you tormented for eternity because you wouldn't accept their scary even-if-non-existent jeebus.
So, I'm sorry if we don't seem to agree with you that evangelism is the problem. The real problem is its root: the bible=christianism and what their gawd and jeebus say in there about what should happen to the rest of us. Just because you refuse to recognise the facts doesn't mean that it will stop christianism from trying to crush you. <-Naivete that.
Before trying to lecture others about something you don't really know well - I know it's a nice feeling to think the world is fluffy and soft and all's good - learn about what it is you're defending. Am merely trying to spare you the kind of mistakes that I used to make.
To beat the mindvirus of the terrorist ideology of christoislamicommunazism, people have to learn what its teachings and history are. And then you'll see why that history is repeating forever. Zero tolerance for intolerance.
People who think nazism is evil but think christoislamicommunism isn't, are either ignorant, hypocritical or have bought into the mass-scale PR/propaganda.
If, after reading the material by historians and researchers on those pages and the links there, you still think christianism is all warm and cuddly at its core, well, then there's nothing left to say really.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sauravjha+Jun 10 2008, 04:49 PM-->QUOTE(Sauravjha @ Jun 10 2008, 04:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Okay just to be fair[right][snapback]82623[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You're not being fair to history/the truth or the sufferings of people who died at the hands of <i>christianism</i>. (The modern excuse/diversion that it was merely "evil people who <i>thought</i> they were following jeebusjehovallah/the bible" is false, since time and time again they reveal how it is the bible/koran that made them do it.)
It's not enough for the christo(islami)terrorists to make others suffer in life, because apparently (if they and their non-existent gawd jeebusjehovallah had their way), we'd be suffering a similar eternal torment, which they look forward to enjoying:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B4.htm#ImmoralHell
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.
-- John Calvin (Reformer, Protestant) in his "Institutes of the Christian Faith"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That according to Calvin eternal punishment was inflicted randomly by the all-benevolent God is at least consistent with Biblical logic.
Calvin is merely echoing Christian teachings that had existed since well before his time. It's obvious that Christians from early times had also grappled with the irrationality of God punishing people who could not possibly have known of Jesus. The way they answered this clearly says much about how compassionate they were:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You are fond of spectacles, expect the greatest of all spectacles, the last and eternal judgement of the universe. How shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many proud monarchs, and fancied god, groaning in the lower abyss of darkness; so many magistrates, who persecuted the name of the Lord, liquefying in fiercer fires than they ever kindled against the Christians; so many sage philosophers blushing in red-hot flames with the deluded scholars; so many celebrated poets trembling before the tribunal ... of Christ; so many tragedians, more tuneful in the expression of their own sufferings; so many dangers...
-- Church father Tertullian in Apologeticum (2nd century)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aquinas, whom the Catholic Church gave the title "Angelic Doctor", imagined that one of the rewards of heavenly bliss is to be able to witness the suffering of the damned in hell:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->That the saints may enjoy their beatitude more fully, a perfect sight is granted them of the punishment of the damned.
-- St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, 13th century<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Since that's not evangelism either, you're fine with them tormenting you in life for being an unbeliever and wanting you tormented for eternity because you wouldn't accept their scary even-if-non-existent jeebus.
So, I'm sorry if we don't seem to agree with you that evangelism is the problem. The real problem is its root: the bible=christianism and what their gawd and jeebus say in there about what should happen to the rest of us. Just because you refuse to recognise the facts doesn't mean that it will stop christianism from trying to crush you. <-Naivete that.
Before trying to lecture others about something you don't really know well - I know it's a nice feeling to think the world is fluffy and soft and all's good - learn about what it is you're defending. Am merely trying to spare you the kind of mistakes that I used to make.
To beat the mindvirus of the terrorist ideology of christoislamicommunazism, people have to learn what its teachings and history are. And then you'll see why that history is repeating forever. Zero tolerance for intolerance.
People who think nazism is evil but think christoislamicommunism isn't, are either ignorant, hypocritical or have bought into the mass-scale PR/propaganda.
If, after reading the material by historians and researchers on those pages and the links there, you still think christianism is all warm and cuddly at its core, well, then there's nothing left to say really.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sauravjha+Jun 10 2008, 04:49 PM-->QUOTE(Sauravjha @ Jun 10 2008, 04:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Okay just to be fair[right][snapback]82623[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You're not being fair to history/the truth or the sufferings of people who died at the hands of <i>christianism</i>. (The modern excuse/diversion that it was merely "evil people who <i>thought</i> they were following jeebusjehovallah/the bible" is false, since time and time again they reveal how it is the bible/koran that made them do it.)