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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+May 15 2009, 01:15 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ May 15 2009, 01:15 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->From dhu's link above
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Saturday, August 27, 2005
totaliarianism and semiticism, paleo-, meso- and neo- variants thereof
aug 27
<b>the totalitarian mindset can be summarized in one word: semitic.
all semitic ideologies have two characteristics:
1. the demonization of the Other
2. blind, unquestioning, unreasoning faith
and a meta-characteristic:
3. a faith/ideology of this type is often a cult with an army behind it enforcing adherence</b>
there are several categories of semites based on when they attained semite-hood. but underneath they are almost exactly the same, with some differences based on whether they have power (totalitarian tyrants in that cases) or have been powerless (more mellow). for instance, zoroastrians have been decent since they were overwhelmed by more muscular meso-semites, but <b>zarathustra was the one who initially popularized the idea of absolute good and absolute evil, the basis of Other-ization.</b>
paleo-semitic faiths: zoroastrianism, judaism
meso-semitic faiths: christism, mohammedanism
neo-semitic faiths: marxism, 'dravidianism', nehruvian-stalinism
this is only a sample, <b>there are neo-semitic faiths being created practically daily</b>, and <b>they each have their martyrs </b>-- eg. che guevara, their saints -- eg. ems, <b>their catholic mother church </b>-- eg. soviet union, <b>their protestants </b>-- eg. china, <b>their primate </b>-- eg. whoever is china's strongman, <b>their bible </b>-- eg. marx's books, <b>their schism </b>-- eg. soviet union vs china and cpim vs. cpi, <b>their reformation </b>-- eg. deng's ideas, <b>their missionaries</b> -- eg. cpim, their colonies -- eg. tibet, etc.
in fact it is eerie how similar marxism is to christism.
<b>PS. the word 'semitic' has always been misused. there is no such thing as a 'semitic' race: the people referred to as semites (mostly jews and arabs) are white people.</b> 'anti-semitic' is used to mean anti-jewish, but it actually means anti-jewish and anti-arab. <b>so is an arab who is anti-jewish anti-semitic?</b>
<b>the origin of the word 'semitic' is from the biblical shem and ham; the sons of shem are supposed to enslave the sons of ham. and this, incidentally was the christist mythological justification for slavery, as blacks are supposed to be the sons of ham.</b>
it is appropriate to overload this term to mean a shorthand for <b>the totalitarian mindset that developed most particularly in the west asian desert where semitic languages exist.</b>
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 8/27/2005 08:39:00 PM
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Very good thought process. However by using the word semitic to mean all these folks he is going to cause resistance to his ideas. There is a need to separate the potential for mis-perception in this terminology.
In "Moses and Monotheism" Sigmund Freud shows conclusively that Monotheism is an Egyptian construct to facilitate state control over the populations. So it was not inherent to the semitic people. However they adopted it as a way out of their suppression by the Egyptians and others.
One way of understanding is that this monotheism is a political doctrine which changes its image as the situation warrants but the core elements ennumerated above remain and adopt new ideas which fit in with the main political need.
One thing to consider is that these vowel-less languages developed independent of the Indo Sanskrit set of languages. Wonder if these were a product of the bypassing of the out of India migrations over the centuries. And does this have something to do with the development of the brain.
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The semitic movement didnt start among semites but among the absolute monarchies of egyptians and sumerians.
The semitic monotheism is religios imitation of the absolute power that the egyptian pharaoh and akkadian king has.
They ask for total obedince from their subjects and so ask the biblical god.Jehova was the king of Israel(thats why the jews was ruled by judges not kings until Samuel) and he was just like a assyrian king.
The have harems and they was gelous;Jehova was also gelous if the jews "married" whit foreing gods.
Despite the fact that absolutism start developed in Egypt and Sumer it didnt have a singnificant impact on religion.This role will be played by semites.
The is a afro-asiatic culture.Iran and zoroastrism is halfway betwin vedism and afro-asiatic religios mentality.Greece also is halfway especialy that greeks take their conceptions about after-life (sheol-hades for ex.) and temple rituals from afro-asiatics.
Afro-asiatic culture is spread from north-Africa till Midlle -east.
But west-semites has what the egyptians and assyrians didnt -thats it a tribal culture;a member of a tribe is very united whit his tribal fellows but very aversive whit foreigners(especially in areas whit cousin marriages) and this mentality was transfered in the religion.
We can say that semitic monotheism is the combination of egypto-sumerian political absolutism(dictatorship) and tribe mentality(us vs others) of the west-semitics.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Saturday, August 27, 2005
totaliarianism and semiticism, paleo-, meso- and neo- variants thereof
aug 27
<b>the totalitarian mindset can be summarized in one word: semitic.
all semitic ideologies have two characteristics:
1. the demonization of the Other
2. blind, unquestioning, unreasoning faith
and a meta-characteristic:
3. a faith/ideology of this type is often a cult with an army behind it enforcing adherence</b>
there are several categories of semites based on when they attained semite-hood. but underneath they are almost exactly the same, with some differences based on whether they have power (totalitarian tyrants in that cases) or have been powerless (more mellow). for instance, zoroastrians have been decent since they were overwhelmed by more muscular meso-semites, but <b>zarathustra was the one who initially popularized the idea of absolute good and absolute evil, the basis of Other-ization.</b>
paleo-semitic faiths: zoroastrianism, judaism
meso-semitic faiths: christism, mohammedanism
neo-semitic faiths: marxism, 'dravidianism', nehruvian-stalinism
this is only a sample, <b>there are neo-semitic faiths being created practically daily</b>, and <b>they each have their martyrs </b>-- eg. che guevara, their saints -- eg. ems, <b>their catholic mother church </b>-- eg. soviet union, <b>their protestants </b>-- eg. china, <b>their primate </b>-- eg. whoever is china's strongman, <b>their bible </b>-- eg. marx's books, <b>their schism </b>-- eg. soviet union vs china and cpim vs. cpi, <b>their reformation </b>-- eg. deng's ideas, <b>their missionaries</b> -- eg. cpim, their colonies -- eg. tibet, etc.
in fact it is eerie how similar marxism is to christism.
<b>PS. the word 'semitic' has always been misused. there is no such thing as a 'semitic' race: the people referred to as semites (mostly jews and arabs) are white people.</b> 'anti-semitic' is used to mean anti-jewish, but it actually means anti-jewish and anti-arab. <b>so is an arab who is anti-jewish anti-semitic?</b>
<b>the origin of the word 'semitic' is from the biblical shem and ham; the sons of shem are supposed to enslave the sons of ham. and this, incidentally was the christist mythological justification for slavery, as blacks are supposed to be the sons of ham.</b>
it is appropriate to overload this term to mean a shorthand for <b>the totalitarian mindset that developed most particularly in the west asian desert where semitic languages exist.</b>
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 8/27/2005 08:39:00 PM
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Very good thought process. However by using the word semitic to mean all these folks he is going to cause resistance to his ideas. There is a need to separate the potential for mis-perception in this terminology.
In "Moses and Monotheism" Sigmund Freud shows conclusively that Monotheism is an Egyptian construct to facilitate state control over the populations. So it was not inherent to the semitic people. However they adopted it as a way out of their suppression by the Egyptians and others.
One way of understanding is that this monotheism is a political doctrine which changes its image as the situation warrants but the core elements ennumerated above remain and adopt new ideas which fit in with the main political need.
One thing to consider is that these vowel-less languages developed independent of the Indo Sanskrit set of languages. Wonder if these were a product of the bypassing of the out of India migrations over the centuries. And does this have something to do with the development of the brain.
[right][snapback]97229[/snapback][/right]
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The semitic movement didnt start among semites but among the absolute monarchies of egyptians and sumerians.
The semitic monotheism is religios imitation of the absolute power that the egyptian pharaoh and akkadian king has.
They ask for total obedince from their subjects and so ask the biblical god.Jehova was the king of Israel(thats why the jews was ruled by judges not kings until Samuel) and he was just like a assyrian king.
The have harems and they was gelous;Jehova was also gelous if the jews "married" whit foreing gods.
Despite the fact that absolutism start developed in Egypt and Sumer it didnt have a singnificant impact on religion.This role will be played by semites.
The is a afro-asiatic culture.Iran and zoroastrism is halfway betwin vedism and afro-asiatic religios mentality.Greece also is halfway especialy that greeks take their conceptions about after-life (sheol-hades for ex.) and temple rituals from afro-asiatics.
Afro-asiatic culture is spread from north-Africa till Midlle -east.
But west-semites has what the egyptians and assyrians didnt -thats it a tribal culture;a member of a tribe is very united whit his tribal fellows but very aversive whit foreigners(especially in areas whit cousin marriages) and this mentality was transfered in the religion.
We can say that semitic monotheism is the combination of egypto-sumerian political absolutism(dictatorship) and tribe mentality(us vs others) of the west-semitics.