Historicity of Jesus - 2

[Husky]

[quote name='qubit' date='12 March 2010 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1268398735' post='105127']

This is an interesting documentary which aired on the Discovery Channel on the tomb of Jesus:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHBQz6GWJAI



Herein, it is also shown/stated that the bones of the person called Peter is in a tomb in the Via Dolorosa and not in the Vatican! One wonders why this documentary is banned in India? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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http://freetruth.50webs.org/B3a.htm#RelicsAndSaints

[color="#800080"]My inserts in purple[/color]

Duplicated relics within the Vatican:

Down in the basement of the Vatican... beneath the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica ... boxes filled with old bones, some of which are claimed to be the mortal remains of St. Peter himself.

Ten of the bones thus carefully preserved at this most holy focal point in all of Christendom, however, are the remains of domestic animals — goats, sheep, cows, swine, and a chicken. ...The bones have been [color="#FF0000"]certified[/color] to be the [color="#FF0000"]veritable[/color] remains of the Prince of Apostles himself, St. Peter. ...Most precious among the relics remaining of Peter’s skeleton in the Vatican are 29 fragments of one of his skulls. (St. Peter’s [color="#FF0000"]other[/color] skull is preserved in a reliquary at the Cathedral of St. John Lateran.)

[color="#800080"](Either Peter was 2-headed or, - gasp, shock, awe - NONE of it has anything to do with any santa petrus.)[/color]



The skeleton and skulls now venerated as the remains of St. Peter are not the only relics of the Prince of Apostles to have been discovered by the Roman Church, however. [More] bones were kept for fourteen years by Pope Pius XII himself, in his private apartment... the ones found in [color="#FF0000"]what Pius had certified to be the genuine tomb of St. Peter.[/color]

[color="#800080"](There are so many genuine tombs. Peter here, Peter there, Peter everywhere. Just like santa thomas has 6 tombs in India and 6 outside.)[/color]



Venerando Correnti, an anthropologist hired by the Vatican in 1956 to study the pope’s prized bones ... discovered five tibias to supplement the three fibulas. This meant that he was dealing with five to eight legs!

[color="#800080"](2 skulls and 5 to 8 legs. Hmmm. I've not done enough biology or maths for this probably - neither being my field of expertise - but I'm going to take a wild guess and conclude from this that Santa Peter was <trumpet-sound> deformed. "Heiligschennis!")[/color]



In addition to the human remains, Correnti’s collaborator Luigi Cardini identified bones that once galumphed around as hogs, sheep, and goats — and some that scratched around as chickens. Unlike the bones said to have been found inside the graffiti-covered wall, the bones actually taken from the "[color="#FF0000"]true[/color] tomb of the Prince of Apostles" are not venerated. Quietly, they have been stored away in some secret location.

[color="#800080"](Yeah, it's called the Void where all non-existent imaginary things are stored, to be manufactured/produced just in time for whenever people see through the fraud, in order to keep the faithful cannibal sheep sheepish still.)[/color]

From: Of Bones and Boners: Saint Peter at the Vatican

Frank Zindler of American Atheists wrote the above:

Formerly a professor of biology and geology, Frank R. Zindler is now a science writer. He is a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the New York Academy of Science, the Society of Biblical Literature, and the American Schools of Oriental Research. he is the Editor of American Atheist.

[quote name='qubit' date='12 March 2010 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1268398735' post='105127']Herein, it is also shown/stated that the bones of the person called Peter is in a tomb in the Via Dolorosa and not in the Vatican![/quote]And why did it take them so long to find the "real" bones of the "real" peter? So many Popes have claimed otherwise for so long, including - as seen above - Pope Pius XII (=Hitler's Pope, so he's quite recent) with his "genuine tomb of Santa Petrus".



For millennia Peter's relics have been claimed to reside in one particular tomb belonging to the catholic church of christendom. Then, suddenly, when that was proven a lie several times over (multiple "genuine" tombs have since been proposed for him), in the 21st century people discover yet another tomb of Peter with yet more - "Newer! Better! Realer! [color="#FF0000"]Certified more Veritable![/color]" - relics of his. How do they know it is "Peter"'s relics? What is their point of reference? For all anyone really knows it could just have been some early pope/cardinal/priest's Skeleton In The Cupboard who is now pronounced the new point of catholic pilgrimage.



The documentary is merely yet another lie if it claims "Peter" was buried elsewhere. Peter never existed - at least, no evidence for his existence; barring the manufactured kind of 'evidence', see below. Rather, there is evidence of his concoction.

So now that the church has been caught in the lie - it's long been exposed that Peter's bones aren't in the Vatican - they seek to keep the fiction alive by moving its "actual" place to elsewhere. "Never mind what we said at various other times before. We've now discovered - yet again - that Peter is actually at..."

Yeah right.

http://freetruth.50webs.org/B3a.htm#RelicsAndSaints

See also: The Legend of Saint Peter: A Contribution to the Mythology of Christianity, a summary of Arthur Drews' Die Petruslegende "The Peter Legend".

And Making a Saint out of Peter

[quote name='qubit' date='12 March 2010 - 06:36 PM' timestamp='1268398735' post='105127']One wonders why this documentary is banned in India? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> [/quote]The full truth continues to be banned in the US too since it's still peddling petrus and jeebus. Still peddling false relics just like the early christian cheats used to: now people are running from one tomb to the next to "discover" that "all this time, he's *actually* buried in tomb Z, and not the certified genuine tombs A to Y".



India deserves to be told the full truth, rather than merely watching some documentary on the constantly-shifting alleged relics of the non-existent petrus from one place to another, just to keep his myth alive/from being found out (=same way the catholic church has now shifted his non-existence "st thomas" into af-pak from their previous claim of TN/Kerala area, ever since it has become reasonably accessible knowledge to the public that thomas never came to India).



The facts that we must be told - and told repeatedly - is that none of the apostles ever existed. The same way jeebus never existed.





And because I'm annoying - it's all I aspire for ("What do you want to be when you grow up?" "Annoying" said I. I think I've attained that) - I'm going to keep parroting Julian until people here can't avoid memorising what he said:

Roman Emperor Julian (mid 4th-century) opens his Contra Galilaeos - his work exposing the lie that is christianism - with:

"It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness." [color="#800080"](Galilaeans=Julian's term for christians; "fabrication of the Galilaeans" is jesus christ, hence christianism.)[/color]



In the same work, Julian writes: "But if you can show me that one of these men [Jesus, Paul, etc.] is mentioned by the well known writers of that time, -these events happened in the reign of Tiberius or Claudius-, then you may consider that I speak falsely about all matters." (Loeb Classics Translation)

I could be more successful in my ruthless annoyingness if only this could be made my signature. Admin, please?