Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 3

06-07-2007, 06:46 PM

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-07-2007, 08:12 PM by Husky.)

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QUOTE(acharya @ Jun 6 2007, 01:58 AM)http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/05/27/hea...hristian-india/[right][snapback]69806[/snapback][/right]QUOTEChristians and Muslims are getting success only because our Hindu Leaders , Hindu Saints , Shankaracharyas , Hindu Organisations like RSS , VHP , BJP , ABVP , Shiv Sena and all other so called claim to be superior hindus or Brahmins who are leaders of every top Hindu Organisations are doing nothing but enjoying fruits of power and all facilities.Oh, now we have to believe that all the Hindu organisations opposing anti-Hindu movements are evil merely because a pseudonymous character - who makes some huge unverifiable claims - says so?

He claims he worked in RSS for 41 years.
That would make him at least 60 or thereabouts now. (And able to write so well in English, so adept at using the internet and blogs - after being in the RSS for so long - how interesting. Not quite the illiterati that the psecular newspapers claim for the RSS members.) But this may not signify.
More amazing is that he knows the missionary arguments inside out. What a shame that he makes such bad mistakes then when it comes to exhibiting an (at least) equally intimate knowledge of Hindus, Hindu orgs or Hinduism.

With this easy statement of "41 yrs of RSS service" he tries to create a sense of authority in readers' minds. Using it, he then claims all these Hindu groups are casteist and whatnot, in order to cast aspersions on them; without readers daring to question him on it.

Oh, and the usual missionary spiel about 'brahmins are in control' and an interesting new kind of argument: 'they are the ones dividing the country':
QUOTE99% of all saints , shankaracharyas , gurus , kathavachaks , RSS Leaders are all brahmins . They believe in casteism and promote only brahminism and policies in favour of brahmins to get power.They try and divide Hindus into SC ,ST , OBC , MBC , BC, Dalits ,etc and try to sit on their top and dictate them.(1) Is Sonia Maino a brahmin? Is Manmohan "islamis must have first claim on resources" Singh a brahmin? Is Laloo one? I'm not even talking about Brahmanas here, just the word 'brahmin' which appears to mean someone from some particular communities.
And (except for some communists whose distant ancestors may possibly have been Brahmanas) any of those who are pushing for creating further reservations and causing more groups to self-label themselves as 'Dalit' - are they 'brahmins' too?
Then who in the world is it that is actually pushing for fragmentation and a caste-conscious, divided society? Psecular, Christo and communist stooges. No Hindus involved there, so we can leave out the subset thereof that is brahmin communities.

(2) How much this 'Hindu' making all these allegations appears to know about 'Shankaracharyas', for him to totally ignore what the Kanchi Math has been doing, for instance.

By the way, yes, all Hindu Saints are Brahmanas. So is Valmiki and so is Vyasa. All Rishis are. It's *by definition*.
And all self-claimed 'brahmin' communists, pseculars and other liars - in spite of waving any 'brahmin' badge - are mlecchas. Again, *by definition*.

QUOTEAfter analysing , I came to conclusion that Brahmins are the majority who support the evil caste and jati vyavastha.What analysis was that? The one he learnt by-heart at church or mosque or Komrade-gathering? Insinuating his made-up pseudo-character into a blog and then make all the usual missionary claims. (With no proof whatsoever, too. What possesses anyone to believe him.)

QUOTEIf Brahmins leave their arrogance , pride , casteism and brahminism and support Real Hindutva and Nationalism , They will rule India foreverâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦Many cryptos have been repeating these long-standing missionary statements in sites across the internet.

QUOTEIf Brahmins ... They will rule India foreverWhat's all this about ruling India? Is he referring to the Ramayanam being about a Rama? But he was a Kshatriya. My mistake. It must be the Mahabharatam, then. No, wait. All of the rulers were Kshatriyas too. All the heroes we've been rooting for to fight evil and bad, the royal ruling heroes of our Puranas, immortalised forever in the hearts of Hindus - they're all (Gasp! Shock! Cardiac Arrest!) Kshatriyas...
Mauryas and Shivaji, the Reddy Kings fighting the islamis.

They didn't teach that in christian school, did they.

Here's a dude who uses all the terms that only an anti-Hindu would use: 'Dalits' (instead of Harijan; although ignorant pseculars use this term too), 'brahminism' as if Brahmanas practise a different religion from the 'Hindus' (who are now apparently a separate class altogether <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /> ), and trying to blackmark the RSS. And with mere say-so; no evidence.
All the marks of a non-Hindu - I'd have thought this conclusion quite obvious. Every missionary fib is in there, and yet people on that blog were responding to this guy as if he were instantly trustworthy.
All you need is to claim you're a Hindu. Like the guy in question. He tossed in a mention of supporting some 'Real Hindutva' just so that the credulous Hindus reading won't suspect.

Pseudo-Hindus are very useful: they're like adding a drop of oil into a large bottle of water. Low-intensity spam: small efforts, huge dividends if you manage to convince even some of the gullible readers - the kind who instantly believe any lies, but find it hard to believe any truths.

Why does anyone accept anything this guy says at face value, when he has repeated every single line in the Missionary Handbook For India? Oh, I forgot. That's right. He's interspersed his little post with "Jai Hind" and other endearing little statements like his finale:
QUOTEI am Hindu first and Hindu last.
To live every moment of my life to serve Bharatmata and
sacrifice my life when time comes to defend Bharatmata.
Jai Hindu Rashtra.
Jai Hind
Jai Bhavani.That proves it, then. Because no impostor could possibly have made such affirmations. Our enemies wouldn't lie: christoislamis, communists. They always tell the absolute truth, don't ya know. They would find it too hard to copy & paste Hindu, Rashtra, Hind (just in case someone missed the preceeding line on 'Hindu Rashtra'), Bhavani, Bharatmata.
And remember: he said that he's been in the RSS for 41 years, that makes him reliable. So he must know what he's talking about when he says the RSS, VHP, BJP, whatever all are casteist/divisive/whatnot. Because anything anyone claims on the internet (without giving any source for us to verify his words) must be true, after all. It's inconceivable that someone could just be lying behind an assumed name. So by all means, let's take all his words as the absolute truth.

If someone in plain clothes walked up to you to arrest you for some preposterous crime, you'd ask to see their badge wouldn't you? Then why, when someone - merely claiming to be a Hindu - slanders established Hindu groups like the RSS, would any automatically believe it? <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' />

**acharya** · 06-09-2007, 03:44 AM

Americans believe in both evolution, creationism: poll

Fri Jun 8, 2:34 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Asked their views on whether human life is a result of God's creation or a product of evolution, one quarter of Americans chose both conflicting theories, a poll suggested Friday.

"All told, 25 percent say that both creationism and evolution are definitely or probably true," USA Today said.

Overall, more Americans expressed a strong belief in creationism, or the theory that God created humans in their present form at a single period in time within the last 10,000 years.

A full 66 percent said they believed in creationism, with 39 percent of those polled saying it was definitely true and 27 percent believing it was probably true.

But 53 percent said they believed in evolution, the scientific theory that humans developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. Eighteen percent said evolution was definitely true, while 35 percent said it was probably true.

The results were released in a USA Today/Gallup poll of 1,007 adults, taken between June 1-3. The margin of error was three percent.

The polarizing issue of how life came to be has worked its way into US classrooms in recent years. Some states have enacted legislation that says teachers must include critical analysis of Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory.

More recently, the question divided Republican presidential candidates who traditionally represent the Christian conservative elements of US society, with three answering in last month's debate that they do not believe in evolution.

06-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Evangelist claims Reddy had sought $5 million

Friday, 08 June , 2007

Hyderabad: A Christian evangelist on Friday alleged that Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy had demanded $5 million for party funds in December 2003 even as the later denied the allegations as 'wild' and 'baseless'.

K A Paul, chairman of the Global Peace Initiative (GPI), told newspersons that Reddy had sought the money from him and promised to help GPI go overseas.

He alleged that the Chief Minister, accompanied by senior Congress leader Botsa Satyanarayana, now a state minister, approached him in December 2003 seeking funds for 2004 elections. He claimed that he had declined to pay the money.

Paul alleged that he was facing threat to his life as Reddy bore grudge against him for refusing to give money. "Now my life is under threat from Dr Reddy," he said.

However, Reddy told a news conference on Friday that he did visit the orphanage run by Paul's brother on his invitation in December 2003. "But I never asked for money. When Dr Paul wanted that All India Congress Committee (AICC) President Sonia Gandhi be invited to the orphanage, I spoke to her but she did not evince any interest," said Reddy.

The Chief Minister said that Paul was friend of Telugu Desam Party president N Chandrababu Naidu. "I don't know why he is making such wild and baseless allegations," he said.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14468227

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Remember (Dr) Paul - yes, the same who goes around lunging himself at hindus because he just can't seem to take control of his emotions (christian fanaticism can do that to someone's mind). Well, if there is any truth in the above allegations, it would be worth investigating - after all it explains the rigorous efforts by the CM Samuel at christianizing the state of AP. If such allegations (or even a hint of it) of politicians, senators, or congressmen are made in the US, the journalists of the US media will swoop down on it like vultures, investigating and probing - after all it is a hot story. But, of course, in India, the majority of the Indian press regularly stand outside the various christian missions for handouts, and will suppress any news that will incriminate the christian politicians and leaders, or blemish their 'pure' christian image, in exchange for the handouts. The mainstream Indian press, with exception of one or two Indian newspapers. probably has the least credibility in the world - there is more ounce of truth to be found in the (sleazy) tabloids than in the mainstream newspapers and magazine in the country.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-09-2007, 10:43 PM by dhu.)

Frankly, I phind this type of American behavior very disturbing. Roots of this behavior lie in the Church's de-emphasis of baby Jeebus's childhood, which has been divested of play narratives.

QUOTEPolice: Mom Tried To Trade Son For Wedding Gown

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Police said an Iowa woman wanted a wedding gown so badly that she would have traded her child for it.

Davenport, Iowa, police charged 31-year-old Marcy Gant with one felony count of sale of an individual. She is accused of trying to sell her 4-year-old son.

They said Gant bought a wedding dress from a local street vendor, paid part of the tab, and offered her son to make up the rest of the balance.

"During negotiations for the payment of this wedding dress, on at least two occasions, Ms. Gant offered her 4-year-old son as collateral," Capt. Dave Struckman of the Davenport Police Department.

Neighbors said they were shocked.

"(There is) something very mentally wrong with her to think that that is OK," said Angie Bruce, Gant's neighbor. "(If) those children go back to her they're in danger. That's just not acceptable if the state lets her have those children back."

If convicted, Gant could face 10 years in prison.

Gant's 4-year-old son and her 10-year-old son have been taken into protective custody.

Bharatvarsh · 06-12-2007, 06:46 AM

QUOTEJesus Heals Today!

The Good News of Jesus Christ are proclaimed, prayer is offered and many miracle healings take place.
Healing Campaign in Eluru, India, in the state of Andhra Pradesh.
Ev. Rubens Cunha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w2mDDz177wQ
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06-12-2007, 07:32 AM

These christians are assholes trying to lure the unsuspecting and naive public into their cult. If Hindus were doing this on the basis of some "miracle healing" then it will be rubbished and put down by the "rationalists".

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-13-2007, 12:35 PM by dhu.)

QUOTESpaniards jumping over little babies

A man jumps over babies placed on a mattress in Castrillo de Murcia during traditional Corpus Christi celebrations, June 10, 2007. This northern Spanish town has for centuries chosen to protect its young from evil spirits with an unusual ritual in which a man dressed as the devil leaps over mattresses holding babies. REUTERS/Felix Ordonez

How sick is this!!! Shouldn't we get a UN conference going, seeking the ban of this blatant child endangerment. Or better yet, start adoption services for these abused Euro children. Wouldn't these children be safer in the church pews than lying in the street?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-13-2007, 04:37 PM by Husky.)

QUOTE(dhu @ Jun 13 2007, 12:32 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTESpaniards jumping over little babies[right][snapback]70052[/snapback][/right]</div>Yeah, why isn't the Indian psecular brigade all over this one? When they're always there bleating a faux-environmentalist message whenever Hindus want to carry out a procession of Utsavamoorthis, protesting that the 'evil Hindoos might step on some poor flowers'.
But then, the Indian pseculars are usually of christokind anyway. And the revered christos in Europe can do no wrong in their eyes.
QUOTEWouldn't these children be safer in the church pews than lying in the street?Hmmm, I rather worry that in the church pews they could easily become targets of icky priests. Methinks both options are dangerous for the kids concerned.
QUOTEprotect its young from evil spirits with an unusual ritual in which a man dressed as the devil leaps over mattresses holding babies.Funny how Indian christians are always saying how Hindus are 'superstitious'. While in Spain, people dressed up as a grotesquely misformed caricature of Great Faunus, the benevolent friend of all animals, pretend he has something to do with the villain of the babbling book of fictions and scare little kids with their display and unprofessional acrobatics.
But don't ya know, it's only stooperstition if unsaved kaffirs do something.

06-13-2007, 05:10 PM

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NGO turns child predator : CNN-IBN 
http://indiasecular .wordpress. com
Anita Sinha

QUOTEBodhgaya: Declared a world heritage site by UNESCO in 2002, Bodhgaya in Bihar is a holy city for Buddhists the world over. Over 600 NGOs operate here, many claiming to work for the welfare of the districtâs under-privileged children.

Samanvaya Ashram is one such NGO that shelters children essentially from the Dalit-Bhuiyan community.

But that's not all they do here. CNN-IBN has found children just five years old are illegally subjected to labour at the Ashram, having made to wash clothes and work in the Ashram kitchen.

âWe cook, get water, work in the kitchen and even out there in the fields,â says an Ashram student Amritya.

Another student Sonu also testified to therampant child labour. âWe wash our clothes and after class go to the fields where we are made to plough. Thereafter we cook too.â

Shahbuddin, a leading Western Union money transfer agent for many NGOs run by foreigners in Gaya, alleges that most NGOs that offer shelter to children in the holy town are actually dens for paedophiles and child-molesters.

"It is an open secret. There are many paedophiles here,â he says.

The Gaya police do admit to the problem of paedophilia off-the-record but say that without a complaint, they cannot investigate.

However, they do accuse some NGOs of pushing a religious conversion agenda.

"In the name of religion and helping the people, there are many underground conversions also. For that purpose, some of the foreign countries are spending a lot of money. They can't directly come to the local people so NGOs are the best medium. They must be approaching NGOs,â says DIG, Magadh Range Umesh Kumar Singh.

Investigation done by CNN-IBN clearly establishes the suspicious role of NGOs. But this might be just a tip of the iceberg.

Now, as the saviours turn tormentors and pocket the donation money, it's for the state government and the administration to wake up and take due action.Â

http://www.ibnlive. com/news/ india/06_ 2007/ngos- turn-child- predators- in-buddhist- holy-city- 42648.html

**acharya** · 06-14-2007, 03:14 AM

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Indian judges OK 'Hindu Taliban'
Police given unlimited power to jail those talking of Christ
Posted: August 11, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Â© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The Supreme Court in India has given police across the nation unlimited power to arrest and detain anyone who has been accused of talking to another person about Christianity.

The report comes from the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, which issued the alert on its News & Analysis mailing list, and Assist News Service.

The WEA report by researcher Elizabeth Kendall said the ruling "opens the door for police with Hindutya sympathies to act as Hindu Taliban."

Hindutya is a militant Hinduism that seeks political and religious dominance.

"Nuns, pastors, bishops and evangelists, as well as Christian aid workers, teachers and social workers, are all immediately at risk of arrest and imprisonment because of their Christian witness," Kendall's report said.

As WorldNetDaily has reported, India is moving up on the list of nations around the world where Christians are persecuted.

"In fact, every Christian, actively witnessing or not, is at risk from hostile elements that may exploit the opportunity to bring false charges against them, inspired by a variety of motives, in the same manner that the blasphemy law is exploited for personal gain in Pakistan," Kendall wrote.

The technical ruling from India's Supreme Court was that police are not required to have warrants to file First Issue Reports and arrest and detain suspects.

According to the Times of India, the ruling relieves police and prosecutors of the requirement of "prior sanction" from the federal or state governments, or a local prosecutor.

The previous practice that protected religious leaders in their speech was found in the Criminal Procedure Code, which says, "no court shall take cognizance" of a complaint about proselytizing unless there was government approval for the arrest.

But the new court ruling from Justices G.P. Mathur and Dalveer Bhandari said the only requirement for an arrest on those charges is a complaint, relieving police of that "authorization" requirement that was set for the courts.

The decision, described by the IndLaw.com website, came in a case involving Pastor Paulrai Raju of Kanartaka state. He was beaten by Hindus last year and arrested on charges of trying to convert Hindus to Christianity. His wife petitioned on the basis there was no warrant, and a lower court quashed the case.

But the state government appealed and the case eventually ended up before the Supreme Court.

Kendall's report said the Times of India noted the court explained that although a prior sanction would be required for a court to hear the case, that is not needed before someone could be accused by police, then arrested and detained, for proselytizing.

"Mere production of the arrested accused before the magistrate and the latter remanding him to custodial detention does not amount to taking cognizance of the offence, for which alone prior sanction is required," the court's opinion said.

06-14-2007, 01:34 PM

QUOTE(acharya @ Jun 14 2007, 03:14 AM)FAITH UNDER FIRE
Indian judges OK 'Hindu Taliban'
Police given unlimited power to jail those talking of Christ
Posted: August 11, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Â© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The Supreme Court in India has given police across the nation unlimited power to arrest and detain anyone who has been accused of talking to another person about Christianity.

The report comes from the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, which issued the alert on its News & Analysis mailing list, and Assist News Service.

The WEA report by researcher Elizabeth Kendall said the ruling "opens the door for police with Hindutya sympathies to act as Hindu Taliban."



Yes, these rapists, child molesters, exploiters and abusers of the poor and the vulnerable will squeal, kick and scream when they are finally cornered and the noose is tightened around their necks! Such is the nature of the christian BULLY.

He has had a free reign to do as he pleases, all these centuries, with NO ONE to question him, his authority, and his conduct. And, now finally, the people are fed up with their atrocities and criminal acts, which have all been cloaked in a shroud of rendering 'social service.' It is about time the law protected the vulnerable sections of the society, and kept these christian lechers from getting their grubby hands on the young and the old, and the poor.

I don't mind if the christians want to engage in ''social work,'' but under ONE condition. They must all be chemically castrated - every christian in the world - every one of them.

In fact, one of the pre-conditons for conversion to christianity should be chemical castration! If a christian wants to open an orphanage, remand home, or school, he/she must be castrated, and a certificate of castration produced before he/she registers the organization. There is to be NO compromise on that precondition! If one agrees to that condition, they are free to convert to christianity, and free to do social work, or whatever it is that they claim to be doing.

06-14-2007, 04:55 PM

Former Catholic Sister Says Mother Teresa Is a Fraud

QUOTEJune 6, 2007

For nine years Susan Shields worked as a devoted Catholic Sister, workingÂ
for Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity. When finally becoming fed-up inÂ
1989, she left Mother Teresa in disgust over the misuse of millions inÂ
charitable donations that never got to their destination -- the poor andÂ
afflicted.

Shields story was recently sent to the Arctic Beacon, asÂ printed in the
Free Inquiry Magazine, revealing how Mother Teresa reallyÂ turned a blind eye
to the poor while millions of dollars in donations are stillÂ sitting
in Vatican bank accounts.

Here is her story entitled "Mother Teresa'sÂ House of Illusions:
How She Harmed Her Helpers As Well As Those TheyÂ `Helped'

"Some years after I became a Catholic, I joinedÂ Mother Teresa's
congregation, the Missionaries of Charity. I was one of herÂ sisters for
nine and a half years, living in the Bronx, Rome, and SanÂ Francisco, until
I became disillusioned and left in May 1989. As IÂ re-entered the world, I
slowly began to unravel the tangle of lies in whichÂ I had lived. I
wondered how I could have believed them for so long. 

"Three of Mother Teresa's teachings that are fundamental to herÂ religious
congregation are all the more dangerous because they are believedÂ so
sincerely by her sisters. Most basic is the belief that as long as aÂ
sister obeys she is doing God's will. Another is the belief that theÂ
sisters have leverage over God by choosing to suffer. Their sufferingÂ
makes God very happy. He then dispenses more graces to humanity. TheÂ
third is the belief that any attachment to human beings, even the poorÂ
being served, supposedly interferes with love of God and must beÂ
vigilantly avoided or immediately uprooted. The efforts to prevent anyÂ
attachments cause continual chaos and confusion, movement and change inÂ
the congregation. Mother Teresa did not invent these beliefs - they wereÂ
prevalent in religious congregations before Vatican II - but she didÂ
everything in her power (which was great) to enforce them. 

"Once aÂ sister has accepted these fallacies she will do almost anything.
She canÂ allow her health to be destroyed, neglect those she vowed to
serve, andÂ switch off her feelings and independent thought. She can turn
a blind eye toÂ suffering, inform on her fellow sisters, tell lies with
ease, and ignoreÂ public laws and regulations.

Women from many nations joined MotherÂ Teresa in the expectation that they
would help the poor and come closer toÂ God themselves. When I left, there
were more than 3,000 sisters inÂ approximately 400 houses scattered
throughout the world. Many of theseÂ sisters who trusted Mother Teresa to
guide them have become broken people.Â In the face of overwhelming
evidence, some of them have finally admittedÂ that their trust has been
betrayed, that God could not possibly be givingÂ the orders they hear. It
is difficult for them to decide to leave - theirÂ self-confidence has been
destroyed, and they have no education beyond whatÂ they brought with them
when they joined. I was one of the lucky ones whoÂ mustered enough courage
to walk away.

"It is in the hope that othersÂ may see the fallacy of this purported way
to holiness that I tell a littleÂ of what I know. Although there are
relatively few tempted to join MotherÂ Teresa's congregation of sisters,
there are many who generously haveÂ supported her work because they do not
realize how her twisted premisesÂ strangle efforts to alleviate misery.
Unaware that most of the donations sitÂ unused in her bank accounts, they
too are deceived into thinking they areÂ helping the poor.

"As a Missionary of Charity, I was assigned to recordÂ donations and write
the thank-you letters. The money arrived at a franticÂ rate. The mail
carrier often delivered the letters in sacks. We wroteÂ receipts for
checks of $50,000 and more on a regular basis. Sometimes aÂ donor would
call up and ask if we had received his check, expecting us toÂ remember it
readily because it was so large. How could we say that we couldÂ not
recall it because we had received so many that were even larger?Â

"When Mother spoke publicly, she never asked for money, but she didÂ
encourage people to make sacrifices for the poor, to "give until itÂ
hurts." Many people did - and they gave it to her. We received touchingÂ
letters from people, sometimes apparently poor themselves, who wereÂ
making sacrifices to send us a little money for the starving people inÂ
Africa, the flood victims in Bangladesh, or the poor children in India.Â
Most of the money sat in our bank accounts. 

"The flood of donationsÂ was considered to be a sign of God's approval of
Mother Teresa'sÂ congregation. We were told by our superiors that we
received more gifts thanÂ other religious congregations because God was
pleased with Mother, andÂ because the Missionaries of Charity were the
sisters who were faithful toÂ the true spirit of religious life.

"Most of the sisters had no idea howÂ much money the congregation was
amassing. After all, we were taught not toÂ collect anything. One summer
the sisters living on the outskirts of RomeÂ were given more crates of
tomatoes than they could distribute. None of theirÂ neighbors wanted them
because the crop had been so prolific that year. TheÂ sisters decided to
can the tomatoes rather than let them spoil, but whenÂ Mother found out
what they had done she was very displeased. Storing thingsÂ showed lack of
trust in Divine Providence.

"The donations rolled inÂ and were deposited in the bank, but they had no
effect on our ascetic livesÂ and very little effect on the lives of the
poor we were trying to help. WeÂ lived a simple life, bare of all
superfluities. We had three sets ofÂ clothes, which we mended until the
material was too rotten to patch anymore.Â We washed our own clothes by
hand. The never-ending piles of sheets andÂ towels from our night shelter
for the homeless we washed by hand, too. OurÂ bathing was accomplished
with only one bucket of water. Dental and medicalÂ checkups were seen as
an unnecessary luxury.

"Mother was veryÂ concerned that we preserve our spirit of poverty.
Spending money wouldÂ destroy that poverty. She seemed obsessed with using
only the simplest ofÂ means for our work. Was this in the best interests
of the people we wereÂ trying to help, or were we in fact using them as a
tool to advance our ownÂ "sanctity?" In Haiti, to keep the spirit of
poverty, the sisters reusedÂ needles until they became blunt. Seeing the
pain caused by the bluntÂ needles, some of the volunteers offered to
procure more needles, but theÂ sisters refused.

"We begged for food and supplies from local merchantsÂ as though we had no
resources. On one of the rare occasions when we ran outÂ of donated bread,
we went begging at the local store. When our request wasÂ turned down, our
superior decreed that the soup kitchen could do withoutÂ bread for the
day.

"It was not only merchants who were offered aÂ chance to be generous.
Airlines were requested to fly sisters and air cargoÂ free of charge.
Hospitals and doctors were expected to absorb the costs ofÂ medical
treatment for the sisters or to draw on funds designated for theÂ
religious. Workmen were encouraged to labor without payment or at reducedÂ
rates. We relied heavily on volunteers who worked long hours in our soupÂ
kitchens, shelters, and day camps.

"A hard-working farmer devotedÂ many of his waking hours to collecting and
delivering food for our soupÂ kitchens and shelters. "If I didn't come,
what would you eat?" he asked.Â

"Our Constitution forbade us to beg for more than we needed, but, whenÂ it
came to begging, the millions of dollars accumulating in the bank wereÂ
treated as if they did not exist.

"For years I had to writeÂ thousands of letters to donors, telling them
that their entire gift would beÂ used to bring God's loving compassion to
the poorest of the poor. I was ableÂ to keep my complaining conscience in
check because we had been taught thatÂ the Holy Spirit was guiding Mother.

To doubt her was a sign that we wereÂ lacking in trust and, even worse,
guilty of the sin of pride. I shelved myÂ objections and hoped that one
day I would understand why Mother wanted toÂ gather so much money, when
she herself had taught us that even storingÂ tomato sauce showed lack of
trust in Divine Providence."

06-14-2007, 08:17 PM

Not surprised, where is her money? I think it goes to maintain Gold gilded rooms of Vatican.

06-15-2007, 08:58 AM

QUOTEChurch to identify Dalits: Bishop 
Durgesh Nandan Jha | New Delhi
Diocese of Delhi of the Church of North India has assigned to itself the role of caste certifying authority for Christians.

According to Bishop Karam Masih, his office would issue certificates to Dalit Christians for the purpose of seeking admission to St Stephen's College, or for that matter, any other educational institution under the diocese. The matter of defining Dalit Christians and their entitlement to reservation is, however, still pending in the Supreme Court.

According to the bishop, who is also the chairman of the supreme council and the governing body of St Stephen's College, the certificates would be provided to the Christians depending on their origin and not on their financial status. "Dalits who have converted to Christianity will be called Dalit Christians. Poverty cannot be a criteria for this," <!--emo& Big Grin

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Masih said that in States like Tamil Nadu and Jharkhand, there are villages for the Dalit Christians and all the churches can easily identify Dalits among the Christians. "All the churches know who is a Dalit Christian and who is not. We can easily identify them," asserted Masih.

06-15-2007, 04:50 PM

Probe ordered against Pune orphanage

QUOTENEW DELHI: A day after Denmark announced it had suspended all adoptions from India, the Central Adoption Resources Agency (CARA) on Tuesday ordered an investigation into the Pune-based orphanage, Preet Mandir.

Central Adoption Resources Agency chairperson J K Mittal said, "The matter is being investigated. I have given instructions to collect all paperwork regarding the institution."

Denmark suspended all adoptions from India after a news report claimed that some of the children who have been adopted could have been abducted. Mittal added that the licence for the orphanage had been suspended in the past after CARA received complaints from various quarters.


Preet Mandir is funded by Charity Missions

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-16-2007, 08:03 PM by dhu.)

QUOTEBuddha and the Cross:

"This, monks, is called a monk whose cross-bar [10]is thrown off, 10 whose moat is filled in, whose pillar is pulled out, whose bolt is withdrawn, a noble one with banner lowered, burden placed down, unfettered. (Majjhima Nikaya 22:Alagaddupama Sutta I 139-140)

*10^ this is also found in Dhammapada verse 398, the word used in Pali: ukkhittapaligham, Sanskrit: utksiptaparikham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Buddhism

**shamu** · 06-17-2007, 10:48 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jun 15 2007, 08:58 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEChurch to identify Dalits: Bishop 
Durgesh Nandan Jha | New Delhi
Diocese of Delhi of the Church of North India has assigned to itself the role of caste certifying authority for Christians. 
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06-18-2007, 12:01 AM

QUOTEParents agitate against conversion; School apologises
June 16, 2007

Siolim: In the year 2006, St. Francis Xavierâs Higher Secondary School of Arts, Science and Commerce at Siolim, Bardez, Goa had arranged mass prayers, in the name of musical programs, for all the students. Students participated in this program due to pressure from the school authorities. At this program, students were told to raise their hands and chant âAlleluiaâ¦.Alleluiaâ. During the programs, some students fainted, some of them started puking. After the program, many students complained of uneasiness. Thus, parents got alarmed and came together to question the school authorities. This also created confusion in the minds of parents whether they should allow their wards to continue studying in the school or seek an alternative.

An agitation was staged against the school authorities with the help of Hindu organisations and like-minded individuals. The Hindu Janajagagruti Samiti (HJS ) also participated in this agitation. Due to this agitation, the principal of the school Father A. Paul Sagayam tendered an apology letter to the agitators saying, "We are extremely sorry for hurting your religious sentiments and we promise that we will be more careful in future."



For the apology letter, please see http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/article/c...apologises.html

06-18-2007, 10:25 AM

QUOTECatholics up quota ante 
Durgesh Nandan Jha | New Delhi
The Catholic Church wants to do better than the Church of North India as far as attracting people to the Christianity is concerned. 

While the Church of North India (CNI), the trustees of St Stephen's College, has increased quota for Christian students in the prestigious college, the Delhi Catholic Archdiocese (DCA) has plans to bring a Christian quota in appointments in its institutions. The DCA among others runs the Jesus and Mary College, St Columbus School and Don Bosco School.

According to Reverend Dominic Emmanuel, the spokesperson and Director of the DCA, the Christians are the most educated religious minority and top the list of the unemployed in the country. "The Christians are the most suffering minority in this country. Despite their being educated, fewer job opportunities are available to them. The National Sample Survey Organisation's (NSSO) report called 'employment and unemployment situation among major religious groups in India' published last year proves this point," he said, adding that the minority educational institutions run by the Christian community should reserve seats in teaching for their own people." The institutions should employ more and more candidates from Christian background so that they do not remain unemployed despite being well educated," he said.

When told that institutions like the Jesus and Mary College are governed as per the service rules enunciated in the Ordinances of Delhi University, Reverend Emmanuel said: "We would find means to overcome these obstacles but we are firm in going ahead with the idea of giving employment to Christians in our educational institutions."

He said that some of the Catholic Church maintained institutions run after excellence and forget their basic responsibility and they need to be taught a lesson. "There are some institutions which are confused about the their objective and run after quality and excellence. They need to understand the main motive of a Christian institution," he said.

When asked about the time by which this decision would be implemented, Emmanuel said that they had just come to know about the problem and were in the process of evolving a policy on it.

The Catholic Church runs about 12,000 schools and 600 colleges across the country. The institutions run by the organisation includes big names like Loyola College, Chennai; St Xaviers Colleges in Mumbai and Kolkata, Jesus and Mary College in Delhi.

Emmanuel accused the apathetic nature of other communities including the Hindus as one of the reasons behind the unemployment of Christians. "The employer in industrial sector or for that matter any other sector are mostly Hindus or non-Christians and their apathy can be one of the reasons behind the unemployment of educated Christians," he said while adding that the Christian community is not cared for in this country.

Since St Stephen's is Protestant, Catholics too to start quota in jobs in their institutions

Christians are the most suffering minorities, says Church

Despite being well-educated, Christians remain unemployed, says Church

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