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About Us
Jesus Youth is an international Catholic youth movement with a Charismatic spirituality. It had its beginnings in Kerala (India), but is now active in many different countries throughout the world. Jesus Youth is an initiative of young people themselves, who, filled with the Holy Spirit try to reach out toother young people. The strength of the movement is its special focus on a life centred on the Lord Jesus Christ; beginning with an experience of God, nourished by prayer, the Word of God, the sacraments and fellowship, and sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ with others. Though not an actual community, Jesus Youth is a network of small but vibrant groups of young people. In their own life situations, they strive to give time to the Lord, responding to the challenges of today's world in the power of the Holy Spirit.

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The team chosen to serve the city
of Bangalore along with them is :

1. Reshma Cyriac
2. Priya D’Souza
3. Lincy Scaria
4. Rosemary Thomas
5. Jiji Varghese
6. Vijay Sebastien
7. Jacob Jose
8. Prajwal Pinto
9. Rohit D’Souza
10. Sun Sun Jose
11. Abhy Thomas
Elders : Jose Thomas (IBM) and Alex Njavally
Pastor : Fr. Tom Polackal

Ex- Officios
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Shoy Manavalan (KJYT Member)
Siji (KJYT Member)



Jesus Youth Bangalore
Teens Ministry Bangalore - a Report.

The Teens ministry of Bangalore is supported by a team of twelve which includes our Pastor Fr. Satish, Elder Julie Thomas and the team members Feena, Diana, Manoj, Jithin, Shibu, Thomas, Sminu, Charles, Pradeep and Abhy. The new team after the reconstitution spent a lot of time in team building and prayer, for the team and for the new initiatives. The ministry activities began with the Teens intercession day which involved an entire day of intercession before the Blessed Sacrament along with special Mass and adoration for the Teens and also for their parents, offering their various intensions like exams, relationship with parents, spiritual growth, e.t.c.

There were nine programs conducted in Bangalore and two outside Bangalore as an initiative of the Bangalore teen’s ministry. It included programs in three parishes, one in an orphanage, another one for the children in the near by villages of Bannerghata, four programs for Schools in Bangalore, one program in a school in Goodaloor and one program in Trichy. Along with these programs we also organized two, three day residential Retreat cum formation programs for the children in the age group of 5th to 9th std and one for the children who finished their 10th std. The program for the 10th std students was mainly intended to give them an introduction on ”how to continue to be witnesses of Christ in Colleges" and also to introduce them to the Campus ministry initiatives in Bangalore.

As an outcome of all these programs we have prayer meetings at St. Charles H.S, St. Thomas Town on all working days, Mariam Nilayam School, Banasvadi on Saturdays and Holy Family Parish, Beggur on Sundays. We intend to start Prayer meetings at St.Thome parish, Bannerghata and Cluny Convent School, Maleshwaram at the earliest.

We have a few strong Teen leaders like, Priyanka, Dominc and Thames who are excellent witnesses to the Lord in their studies and through their personal life. Our main focus in the coming days is to build such Teen leaders and have them actively to do things for the growth of the ministry. We have been co-opting few members into the team as guided by the spirit. We also are dreaming to have a ”Teen’s Meet” and a leadership training program for the teens in the coming months as a stepping stone for the fast spreading of the Kingdom of God in Bangalore.

Love & Prayers,
Abhy Thomas,
Wipro, Bangalore.
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Monday, December 04, 2006
Couples retreat by Br Edmund and team (Goa)

Full inventory of conversion methods:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Evangelism & Conversion Methods

Missionaries employ various strategies to destroy other religions/cultures and convert people to their religion/denomination. The exact strategy deployed depends on the target population's situation. There are 7 categories of conversion methods: 1)Pre-evangelism 2)Personal Evangelism 3)Preaching Evangelism 4)Persuasion evangelism 5)Pastoral evangelism 6)Programmed evangelism 7)Prayer Evangelism. All the methods employed come under atleast one of these categories though many come under multiple categories. Here is the listing of the prominent methods employed.
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From #303:

We also are dreaming to have a ”Teen’s Meet” and a leadership training program for the teens in the coming months as a stepping stone for the fast spreading of the Kingdom of God in Bangalore.

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More like "Kingdom of Fraud"
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vietnam Catholics Hold Vigil for Land
By MARGIE MASON – 4 hours ago

HANOI, Vietnam (AP) —<b> Thousands of Catholics blocked a busy street in Vietnam's capital Friday in a rare public demonstration, chanting and praying for the Communist government to return land once owned by the church.</b>

A priest in a white robe carrying a large cross led a procession of parishioners, accompanied by a marching band, from St. Joseph's Cathedral in downtown Hanoi to the adjacent site of the former Vatican embassy.

The embassy — one of many church properties taken over by the Communist government after French colonialists were ousted in 1954 — is one of several sites the church is asking the government to return. Church officials say they have documents showing the 2.5-acre property belongs to the diocese.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Dung insisted all land in Vietnam belongs to the state and no one is permitted to own private plots.

"Individuals and organizations only have land use rights," Dung said at a regular news briefing Thursday.

"The Hanoi People's Committee will consider the needs of land use by the Hanoi church and will handle it in accordance with the land laws," he said.

Church members have been holding daily prayer vigils at the site since late December, but Friday's gathering was the largest because many people from outside Hanoi had come to the capital to celebrate Cardinal Pham Dinh Tung's 90th birthday. No arrests were made and police did not break up the event.

"I haven't seen anything like this before," said parishioner Nguyen Ngoc Vinh, 70, who stood quietly in the rain as the marching band and a huge drum played. "We are not protesting, but we are just asking the government to give it back."

Church officials called on parishioners to show restraint as a number of protesters began pushing against the fence. At least two people who scaled the property's locked iron gate were beaten by guards.

"They did not respect human rights and the rights of religious freedom," said Trinh Duy Hung, a priest at the site, referring to the guards.

Protests are prohibited in Vietnam and most gatherings involving large numbers of people are broken up by police.

A police official said city officers were not involved in the clash. He declined to give his name because he was not authorized to speak to the media. He said police were not inside church property. Uniformed officers were seen blocking traffic and watching the demonstration from the street.

"They seized my camera and I was beaten by five or six security guards," said <b>Le Quoc Quan, a lawyer and pro-democracy dissident who was detained for three months last year after returning from a fellowship at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, D.C.</b>

<b>The U.S. State Department pressured Hanoi for Quan's release, </b>which came just before Vietnamese President Nguyen Minh Triet made a trip to Washington. Foreign diplomats, including representatives from the U.S. Embassy, were present at Friday's vigil.

There are about 6 million Catholics, the second-largest faith after Buddhism, in the country of 86 million people.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.christianyoga.us/about_vid.htm

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=21366&sec=51&cont=6

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Jan 26 2008, 08:09 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Jan 26 2008, 08:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.christianyoga.us/about_vid.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"We are the temple of the Living God. Glorify God in your body."
(2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Corinthians 6:20)
I am from TN, and as you guys may already know, Christians are extremely powerful here. But the fault lies with us Hindus. Let me explain this by citing an example in my own life.

Many times, I've tried to explain to people that Christians are not as compassionate as they pretend to be, and their so-called love is hatred in disguise. I've explained this with numerous instances, citing from Teresa's dubious distinction to North East to Inquisitions to what else not.

Yet, all I've recd. from Hindus so far has been verbal abuse, NO understanding whatsoever. It becomes frustrating after a certain point. I can't speak for North India, but at least Hindus here have developed such a terrible complex vis-a-vis westerners (obviously due to skin color) that they regard anything from the west as god sent. It's evidently easy to convert such people, which is why Christians are succeeding here.

You won't believe it, but when I attended one of the satsangs, even scholars giving lectures on Gita were praising St. Thomas or whoever!
Hi Suresh,

I know, it is extremely hard to talk to people who don't have enough self-respect, and in addition people who have been brainwashed by the christian PR machine. However, you could try showing them the "love" white xtians have had for the brown races of South America
http://www.christianaggression.org/
maybe that will cause these hindus to think a bit before going ga-ga over christianity and its "peace"..

Evangelical Missionary War on Hindus

From: babususeelan@.....com
Date: Jan 27, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Evangelical Missionary war on Hindus

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Hindus can no longer afford to remain silent or passive when Hindus encounter Christian bigotry and hatred. The consequences of silence and passivism are too dangerous for our nation and for the Hindu civilization. We must not surrender the public arena to the forces that seek to promote hatred and polarization amongst various communities in our nation. Deceptive evangelical missionary conversion tactics must be actively resisted and responded to so that such hidden hatred and subversive plan become totally unacceptable in our country. If unchallenged and unchecked, coercive religious conversion can erode and destroy our spiritual tradition, dismantle our social fabric and destroy our moral foundation. Every Christian statement is a deliberate attack on the pluralistic and spiritual tradition of our society and on our sacred values that demand respect, tolerance, and kindness for all who live in the world. Tolerance, complacency, avoidance, apathy and acquiesce of deceptive missionary practices will not lead to spirituality. It leads to confusion, chaos and immorality. Only by ignoring evil practices can a nation embrace deviance that ends in weakness and decadence. It is time for Hindus to wake up, join together and show courage and determination to discriminate between good and evil to create a strong nation. It is a culture war, a paradigm conflict. It is a political invasion from within. It is a bloodless war for the minds, hearts, and souls of Hindus. It is being waged with force, foreign fund and deception on our television, in the class rooms, in the media and in the political fields. It is a constant and continuing war on our spiritual values in order to weaken our nation. We must stand up and take sides in this war for the minds.

Dr. Babususeelan

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Christian missionaries in India enjoyed much support from European Christian colonial masters who controlled the political, economic and educational institutions for centuries, to 1947. With the active support of the European Christian colonialists, missionaries founded churches, large scale political organizations, and educational institution. Even after independence, political parties handed over Christians an influential position in India. Leaders of the Church became key advisers and also exercised political, economic, and educational functions as government leaders. They have penetrated and controlled several national institutions that were taking shape after independence. Christians have created the press, economic institutions, commercial enterprises, as well as grabbed urban and forestland, established non-governmental organizations, schools, colleges and formed political parties. Coercive and deceptive conversion of Hindus increased the number of Christians which reshaped several states. No wonder that from the beginnings of 1950’s political Christianity made all the political, economic and educational decisions and controlled everything. Hindus could scarcely make their way in education, media and commerce. Political Christianity formed a special clique, finding their ideal in real estate, education, health industry, media, plantation and commerce. They operated in theory, that Christians should be strategically placed in policy decision bodies. The Church built large estates, business enterprises, banks, and educational institutions. Political Christianity in India maintains that Christians had first to constitute an appropriately divided Hindu society of classes. This they would accomplish only when they formed caste based organizations and regional political parties. Then Hindus would continue their class division and the Church would accomplish their goal. Historically, political, cultural, and economic Christianity had in common a sense of competition with Hinduism. <b>Christians dismiss Hindu spiritual and cultural traditions. The Church clearly intent on liberating Hindus from their cultural roots and enslave them with rigid, closed, divisive and linear Christian dogma. Missionaries with the closed, rigid and non-compromising dogma are obsessed with the idea of converting Hindus who believe in pluralism, tolerance and the all inclusive Vedic philosophy. Comprehensive and spiritual Vedic thought has always posed a serious challenge and dilemma for the Christian Church. For centuries, unable to challenge the broader and systemic Hindu philosophy, Christian missionaries have resorted to deceptive mind manipulation strategies to trap and convert Hindus.</b>

Pseudo Political leaders and India’s alienated intellectuals failed to provide pride and dignity to Hindus and they despise and demean them. Political parties and secular leaders allowed Christians not only to influence government policies, but also tolerated their attack on Hindu spiritual practices. This political patronage enabled Christians to exercise an influential anti Hindu role in public life and in government.

The power of the Church in India is enormous. Massive inflow of foreign fund helped the Church to influence the media, own large tracts of urban and forestland, control political parties, as well as own commercial and educational institutions. Their explicit purpose, among other things, is to stop Hindu consolidation and get them to fight on caste lines. In order to solidify their growing hegemony, Christians have made alliance with the Congress party, the Marxists, and regional parties as well as with parochial organizations.

The explosive effect of this unholy alliance can be gauged by the emergence of Christian power in central and several state governments. Control of educational institutions, trade, plantation and real estate brought wealth to Christians in ways Christians had never known. All the while, Christian organizations received massive amounts from abroad for conversion activities.

Christian conquests are more and more commercial and less spiritual. Well-established business, trade and commerce proved better, more wealth producing mode of occupation than spirituality. Concurrent with commercial success, the Church with the help of foreign fund elevated the role of political interference with absolute control of government in many states. Political influence of Christians in India marked the modern scene to an extent unknown before.

DECEPTIVE PRACTICES OF EVANGELICAL MISSIONARIES

One of the more alarming trends in India in recent years is the growing number of evangelical Christian organizations. This growth has been accompanied by an astonishing increase in Christian missionary activities which target Hindus for conversion. Well over 3,000 missionary groups which obsessed to convert Hindus spend over a billion dollar each year for conversion work in India. Evangelical Christian groups sponsor hundreds of full-time missionaries. They also sponsor television and radio programs. Missionaries have sponsored thousands of non-governmental organizations for overt and covert activities for furthering Christian causes.

These evangelical Christians use deceptive tactics to attract secular Hindus, journalists, academicians and westernized intellectuals. Evangelical missionary groups use Hindu names for their organizations to attract and trap innocent Hindus. They frequently misquote, mistranslate and misrepresent Hindu scripture and texts in order to use it as a bait and switch game. Evangelical missionaries are specially trained in mental misdirection and psychological war. They know well how to conceal, camouflage, and distortion of reality and power play. This deceptive game involves getting Hindus to trust, like, and feel comfortable with their bait and switch game, so they will want Hindus to do what they want to do. They use sophisticated psycho programming for softening people up for the kill. Like most power plays, softening people up for the kill is dangerous. It is not transparent enough for Hindus to see through and choose not to say to buy into it.

MISSIONARY AGENDA WE SEE; AGENDAS WE DON’T

Evangelical Christian organizations advertise under the heading of Human Rights, Dalit Organizations, Solidarity movements of the oppressed, Environmental Protection groups and social service agencies. Their goal is to mentally misdirect Hindus, to fabricate false reality, erase memory, and soften them for “thought implant”.

Pamphleteering and false advertisement of evangelist Christians are on the increase. There is an upsurge in Christian pamphlets being distributed at Hindu festivals, temples and sacred places of pilgrimage. Missionary groups aggressively distribute Christian publications to denigrate Hindu deities at Sabarimala, Thirupathi, Guruvayoor, Ujjain, Benares, Palani, Uduppi, and Sivagiri where Hindus congregate in large numbers.

In addition, missionary groups employ scare tactics, intimidation and violence to discourage and prevent Hindus from organizing protest against deceptive conversion tactics. Evangelical missionary groups engage in a variety of relatively benign deceptions intent to leave secular Hindus with a more positive impression on them. The real purpose for engaging in hidden agenda power plays is conversion of innocent Hindus. Hidden agendas, psycho programming and mind manipulation techniques are used to entice unsuspecting Hindus. The secret they keep from others and the camouflage they use to disguise their true intentions has dangerous consequences for Hindu society. Beneath the polished exterior of Christian educational institutions lies a burgeoning political and cultural war machine that strikes at the traditional spiritual values of India.

EVANGELICAL CHRISITIAN CULTURE WARRIORS

The Christian missionaries have already infiltrated religious organizations, media, social agencies, political parties and institutions of higher learning and threaten to bring down Hindu society. They continue to poison our cultural tradition, moral values, spiritual beliefs, and thus destroy the social fabric of our nation from within. It is a massive culture war which has disastrous consequences for Hindus and India. Their game plan is to misdirect Hindus and delegitimize Hinduism by claiming that Christianity is the only path to salvation.

Several missionary organizations disguise as human rights and social service organizations. In fact, they fraudulently represent themselves as human right and social activists, and these so-called human right and social service organizations are elaborately disguised Christian front organizations. Most of these non-governmental organizations that receive foreign fund exhibit “messiah madness” and manifest a great sense of urgency to convert as many Hindus as possible for creating a Christian vote bank.

Recent Christian violence in Orissa, Bihar, Kerala and Tamil Nadu are perfect example of the deceptive practices used by evangelical proselytizing groups. There are at least 500 Christian proselytizing organizations that operate with foreign fund in Orissa and Bihar alone, which are actively targeting Hindus for conversion. Recently deceptive and aggressive conversion efforts have led to escalating tension throughout Bihar.

FACING THE EVANGELICAL CULTURE WAR

Incredibly, many of the evangelical Christian aggression are the direct result of certain government policies to appease Christians. Policies of Christian and Muslim reservation, quota system and special privileges are in fact, effective in promoting mischievous Christian power play and aggressive conversion tactics.

There has been an ominously deafening silence from secular political leadership at all levels. This silence itself is complicit in creating a favorable atmosphere for Christian conversion groups. Phony secular leaders engage in ineffective maneuvers to maintain the status quo and avoid unpleasant thoughts to the back of their minds because thinking about deceptive missionary conversion practices only make matters worse. Consequently, what they do in the name of maintaining equilibrium only deceive them. It is a self-defeating behavior that may lead to disaster.

Most frightening are the bogus intellectuals, journalists and alienated intellectuals and armchair academicians, who at the helm of this Christian invasion, try to force insidious and deeply harmful Christian dogma upon the throats of Hindus under the name of mindless universalism. These pseudo secular leaders smug their attitudes as they ridicule us of our spiritual values.

DEFEATING THE ENEMY

As Hindus face the ongoing deceptive conversion gang and their sponsors around the world, we must cope with the continuing scourge of denial, accommodation and cowardice. Hindus need to recognize the dangers of putting our faith in mindless universalism-when the times call for decisive action. For only through strong defense of our spiritual culture, freedom at home and abroad, can we preserve, practice and promote our tolerant and all inclusive thought system in the dangerous world.

Hindus must exercise constant vigilance to educate about the true nature of the hidden agendas of Christian groups and non-governmental organizations funded and directed by foreign agencies. Their mission is couched in ecclesiastical terms but their ulterior motive is to diminish Hindu population by coercive conversion.

Hindus must be aware that the value of free speech and the basic right to free expression is not absolute under the Indian constitution. Hindus have the right to oppose Christian hate speech and deceptive practices that deem offensive. Awareness, education and assertive protest seem to be the best way of confronting deceptive missionary proselytizing. Teaching and informing Hindus that Hindus need not believe in the Christian dogma, not to tolerate intolerant and deceptive conversion practices and Christian churches are to deceive the Hindu community are important first steps.

Though many political and community leaders have sought economic development and social reform, particularly globalization, they have generally been unwilling to see the power play and hidden agendas of the Churches. One key to the success of evangelical Christian deceptive conversion is that Hindus tolerate the hidden agendas and sinister games of the missionaries. The trouble with tolerating coercive religious conversion, of course, is that while we’re averting our eyes, the evangelists grows and festers around India. Their goal is political domination and this has been true for the past few centuries.

Indeed, the greatest threat to our nation is Christian and Muslim appeasement policies--and selfish opportunism--of the pseudo secular politicians. The Congress party, the Marxists and several parochial regional parties are ideologically inclined toward appeasement and special privileges for Christians and Muslims. These corrupt, antinational political parties dismiss or understate hidden agendas of evangelists. And of course, rather than containing or confronting political agendas of the missionary groups, they acquiesce with them.

Hindus can no longer afford to remain silent or passive when Hindus encounter Christian bigotry and hatred. The consequences of silence and passivism are too dangerous for our nation and for the Hindu civilization. We must not surrender the public arena to the forces that seek to promote hatred and polarization amongst various communities in our nation. Deceptive evangelical missionary conversion tactics must be actively resisted and responded to so that such hidden hatred and subversive plan become totally unacceptable in our country.

If unchallenged and unchecked, coercive religious conversion can erode and destroy our spiritual tradition, dismantle our social fabric and destroy our moral foundation. Every Christian statement is a deliberate attack on the pluralistic and spiritual tradition of our society and on our sacred values that demand respect, tolerance, and kindness for all who live in the world.

Hindu organizations must see diverse Hindus as a people with a vision not of what was, but of what in order to be. Hindu leaders must take that vision and transform into fact. Hindus must now break the wall of denial. No way around it. At some point, every Hindu is confronted with danger of deceptive conversion ploys. How we choose to combat that challenge is often life-defining. Hindus can face injustice and fraudulent conversion plans head-on or run from them, or ignores them until they consume every Hindu. But no one escapes conflict and confrontation. Hypocritical politicians see no evil in deceptive evangelical missionary practices, ever seek or act against it. These pseudo secular politicians who do not acknowledge evil are spiritually lost.

Tolerance, complacency, avoidance, apathy and acquiesce of deceptive missionary practices will not lead to spirituality. It leads to confusion, chaos and immorality. Only by ignoring evil practices can a nation embrace deviance that ends in weakness and decadence.

It is time for Hindus to wake up, join together and show courage and determination to discriminate between good and evil to create a strong nation. It is a culture war, a paradigm conflict. It is a political invasion from within. It is a bloodless war for the minds, hearts, and souls of Hindus. It is being waged with force, foreign fund and deception on our television, in the class rooms, in the media and in the political fields. It is a constant and continuing war on our spiritual values in order to weaken our nation. We must stand up and take sides in this war for the minds.

Dr.Babususeelan

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Receipt of Foreign Contributions 2005-06
Home Ministry Report
http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index...ame=fcra_report

Downloaded this report from the Home Ministry site. During this year Rs 7877 crs was received by way of foreign donations. Tamil Nadu (Rs 1,610 crs) was the highest recipient followed by Delhi (Rs 1,556 crs) and Andhra Pradesh Rs 1,011 crs. Largest donor countries were U.S.A. Rs 2,426 crs, UK Rs 1,180 crs and Germany Rs 1,062 crs. The list of foreign donors is topped by Gospel Fellowship Trust USA, India Rs 229 crs, Gospel for Asia Rs 137 crs and Plan International Rs 111 crs. Largest recipient were World Vision Tamil Nadu Rs 256 crs, Caritas India Rs 193 crs, Rural Development Trust Andhra Pradesh Rs 127 crs. Please note:
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* India's population is 80% Hindu, barely 3% is Christian yet the largest donors are Christian countries.
* As a state Tamil Nadu received largest donations. Is it not ironical that the state has reported an increase in conversions to Christianity, is a missionary target.
* Andhra Pradesh has a Protestant Chief Minister. The name YSR Reddy will not fool anyone.
* The largest recipients of aid are Christian organizations.
* Why are the U.S.A, Germany and U.K. so concerned about the poor in India? Am sure there are lakhs of poor people in their country too. Do these Christian organization donors donate such large amounts to Muslim countries like Pakistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia as well is a moot point.
* These numbers do not give money received by Muslim organizations from Saudia Arabia etc. It is believed that some of this money comes through the ‘hawala’ route.
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To read the Report (in PDF format) click here
Or go to Home Ministry web site http://mha.gov.in/fcra/annual/ar2005-06.pdf

It is important that resident Indians donate large sums of money to sincere Hindu organizations who work in the fields of education and health. One meal in an upper class restaurant costs app Rs 500 to Rs 1,000 per head. Suppose if we, the followers of Dharma, were to cut down on conspicuous consumption and donate the amounts to institutions like the Ramakrishna Mission we would be contributing to society in a positive and lasting way.
Suresh,

That way ISKCON is good for the white worshippers. Some White Hindus can help there.


<!--QuoteBegin-sureshmoorthy+Jan 26 2008, 11:10 PM-->QUOTE(sureshmoorthy @ Jan 26 2008, 11:10 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I am from TN, and as you guys may already know, Christians are extremely powerful here. But the fault lies with us Hindus. Let me explain this by citing an example in my own life.

Many times, I've tried to explain to people that Christians are not as compassionate as they pretend to be, and their so-called love is hatred in disguise. I've explained this with numerous instances, citing from Teresa's dubious distinction to North East to Inquisitions to what else not.

Yet, all I've recd. from Hindus so far has been verbal abuse, NO understanding whatsoever. It becomes frustrating after a certain point. I can't speak for North India, but at least Hindus here have developed such a terrible complex vis-a-vis westerners (obviously due to skin color) that they regard anything from the west as god sent. It's evidently easy to convert such people, which is why Christians are succeeding here.

You won't believe it, but when I attended one of the satsangs, even scholars giving lectures on Gita were praising St. Thomas or whoever!
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Hi Shambu,

Yes, it's very frustrating. I've given them links to heaps of sites, books, and what not. But I hear the same thing from these worthies: you're rss fanatic! I know we should keep trying, but I also feel it's better to focus on people we CAN change, rather than waste our time on these people. I believe there are two classes of people, those who are ignorant and those in denial. We can ignore the latter completely, they just dont want to listen and understand.

Suresh
<!--QuoteBegin-agnivayu+Jan 29 2008, 06:24 AM-->QUOTE(agnivayu @ Jan 29 2008, 06:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Suresh,

That way ISKCON is good for the white worshippers.  Some White Hindus can help there.
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Iskcon is as bad as Christian Missionaries, they keep repeating that Jesus is empowered vaishnva and so on. In fact, they don't even want to be called hindu. I remember reading an article after a terrorist attack on Iskcon temple (or maybe a procession in manipur, I don't recall), an ikscon lady was saying, "Muslims attack us, because they think we're hindus. If we separate ourselves from this label, then they won't."

Could anyone be more stupid than this? As if Muslim terrorists are going to ask for your ID card, and then drop a bomb. These people don't realize that whether or not they call themselves hindus, for the muslim terrorist, THEY ARE HINDUS AND HINDUS ONLY! But try arguing this point to iskconites, and you'll see it gets you nowhere. <!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Yes, it's very frustrating. I've given them links to heaps of sites, books, and what not. But I hear the same thing from these worthies: you're rss fanatic! I know we should keep trying, but I also feel it's better to focus on people we CAN change, rather than waste our time on these people. I believe there are two classes of people, those who are ignorant and those in denial. We can ignore the latter completely, they just dont want to listen and understand.

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Christians have a well advanced organizational setup and it is very difficult to convince an ignorant person about the threats. What they see are hospitals, schools, and orphanages run by them and not what you tell them.

To handle this, in my opinion, you need to adopt a different strategy, starting with patience. You need to keep on showing your friends the church frauds that <b>currently</b> happens (not very old one because they will say church has reformed). For example, the big murder and financial scam in a major catholic prayer house in Kerala, fraudulent claim used to get sainthood for mother teresa, huge paedophile scandal in US church, evangelists getting caught in Afghanistan and Iraq while trying to convert through covert methods, and many other issues where missionaries and church are clearly involved. Make these cases very objective without any extrapolation or bias. When they see many things that were going on but escaped their attention, they will start taking you seriously.

You must concurrently start showing how outside powers (read western countries) try to control India. You can get many examples if you track events carefully on this forum. You can easily show how leftists, environmentalists and NGOs work systematically against Indian interests.

Once you are successful in the above two, you can show many events where leftists and church work together, especially when they target RSS/BJP or during annual Ambedkar conversion drive. Then you can show that church is also another western agent to control India.

What you also need to remember is that you can not convince everybody. You are very successful if you could influence 20% of your friends. Call other 80% (who acutally are in denial mode) ignorant Joes so that they find it diffult to defend or support church. Then I will say you are 100% succesful!
http://www.icassecretariat.org/index.php?q=node/419
Sarah Claerhout

Paper Title : The Colonial Project in India: Creating the Conditions of Conversion

Abstract :

Except for a brief period between 1813 and 1857, colonial authorities in India generally opposed missionary activity. In 1858, the Queen ordered her representatives in India to "abstain from all interference with the religious belief, or worship, of any of our subjects on pain of our severest displeasure." Many lamented the paradox of a Christian nation supporting idolatry. Indeed, a peculiar situation emerged: genuine Protestants who were convinced that theirs was the true religion and that all should convert to God's Will nevertheless opposed evangelization.

Moreover, the very same groups engaged in a civilizing mission which aimed to make India into the mirror image of the Christian West. Given this aim, why not simply evangelize India? How to make sense of this stance? 2.<b> My paper will present this hypothesis: the educational project of the British sought gradually to create the conditions for conversion to the true religion. They desired a patient and silent transformation of Indian society: (a) the natives would become aware that their ‘idolatrous' traditions could not possibly represent God's Will and (b) they would recognize the call of the Holy Spirit.</b>

intensifies the problem: How could these colonials be against active conversion in order to promote the conversion of Hindus will argue that we have to examine the internal Christian process of conversion to make sense of this puzzle. ‘Conversio' is originally an internal theological process which transforms the believer into a real member of the Christian community. It is a process with specific characteristics: it can never be fully realized in this human life; it is the only route to real happiness and towards becoming a moral human being; only God can complete the conversion of a human soul; etc.

This Christian process underwent an important shift during the Reformation period: from a process restricted to the clergy it became the norm for all human beings. So, gradually, the internal theological process assumed another form-more accessible-as it became the standard for all humans. In this form, it became central to the western cultural experience. 3. Finally, my paper will show how the nature of this process of conversion can help us explain the educational project of British colonialism in India.

The British Protestants saw conversion as the work of God, in which human beings can maximally guide unbelievers to the stage where they are able to respond to God's call. <span style='color:red'>This, I will argue, expresses the dynamic through which the Christian religion spreads itself: it cannot do so through evangelization alone, because its message is unintelligible to non-Christians.</span> Therefore, a dynamic of secularization emerges in which this religion gradually transforms a society by dispersing secularized Christian frameworks and thus creating a fertile soil for conversion. The colonial project in India embodied this dynamic.-

<b>Iskon may be one of this project</b>
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Sex Facts
Four in 10 US Catholic nuns report having experienced sexual abuse... The study found that sisters have known sexual abuse less in childhood, dispelling what the authors call an "anti-Catholic" canard that girls fled to convents to escape sexual advances. During religious life, close to 30% of the nation's 85,000 nuns experienced "sexual trauma," ranging from rape to exploitation to harassment. A total of 40% reported at least one experience of that kind. NCR [National Catholic Reporter], 1/15/99
The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have "inappropriate sexual behavior or contact" with clergy and employees.
The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.
The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.
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Fact
Child-abuse by clergy is also rampant amongst all Christian denominations.
Books on the history of sexual abuse in Christianity
Much more statistics and documentation on abuse, especially child abuse among various denominations and countries.
Some of the endless news reports in recent times on clerical child abuse
Nuns abused

The Vatican yesterday acknowledged a report that some priests and missionaries were forcing nuns to have sex with them, and in some cases forcing their rape victims to have abortions.
... the report cited cases in 23 countries, including the United States, Brazil, the Philippines, India, Ireland and Italy.
... the report said most incidents of sexual abuse against nuns occurred in Africa, where the nuns were identified as "safe" at a time when AIDS is devastating the continent.
-- Vatican Recognizes Rape Report - Washington Post (Reuters AFRICA) March 21, 2001
More
Neglected clergy in the US: AIDS due to lack of support
Aids in the Priesthood - Kansas City Star News, 2000

Hundreds of Roman Catholic priests across the United States have died of AIDS-related illnesses, and hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the disease. It appears priests are dying of AIDS at a rate at least four times that of the general U.S. population.
As the Kansas City Star's coverage makes clear, the issue is troubling many denominations (not just the Catholic Church, though it is the only one imposing celibacy on all its clergy).
Because of Christianity's negative and repressive views on the matter, and the lack of support or even Church programs to educate priests about safe sex, many clergymen have ended up with AIDS:
Experts say that until the church starts encouraging a more healthy understanding of sexuality, priests will continue to die of AIDS.
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Christianity Exposed
17/08/2006 14:52:30 Synonymous
CHRISTIANITY EXPOSED
By SYNONYMOUS
Expertise of Vatican in the dubious arts of deception and manipulation has never been in suspect. Appearing to run with the hare but hunting with the hounds has been the unique contribution of ace propagandists from Vatican to the world of manipulative mass communication. There are many reasons to believe that Hitler was hand in gloves with the Pope during the holocaust days and his master media manipulator Goebbels was deputed from Vatican. The terrible tradition continued and Vatican always succeeded in saving the Church from storms of controversies and gospels of truth. In recent times, very few people would have realised their trick when a Church sponsored ‘Da Vinci Code’ almost saved the Church from complete devastation at the hands of a little noticed ‘Gospel of Judas’. But with the well researched confirmation of ‘Gospel of Judas’ by the National Geographic team (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/g...index.html), Christianity stands completely exposed. Now the Church is nothing but a fortress without foundation and poor Jesus hangs completely naked in the cross of truth.

Cunning Church at its Best
There may be very few children who have not heard the bed-time story of the wicked wolf and poor goat. For those who have not heard, here is the crux. “Once upon a time a ravenous wolf happened by the house of a goat and her seven kids. The wicked wolf knocked on the door and begged the kids to open it. Disobeying their mother’s instructions, the kids opened the door. Snarling with glee, the wolf devoured the kids one by one, smacking his lips and licking his chops all the while…….” Over many generations, the wicked wolf had remained the most cursed and no one ever had any sympathies for it. But how will you feel if it gets revealed that it was the mother goat which had actually sent the wolf to its own house because she thought it is quite a burden to bring up so many kids? Who is the real villain? The wolf or the goat? Our poor Christian brethren are in a similar situation. Millions believed in the story of a wicked Judas betraying a saintly Jesus and the son of god opting for crucifixion taking along with him all the sins of humanity till then. What a great deed, until the accidental discovery of ‘Gospel of Judas’ in early 1940s changed all that. The story of bible stood upside down. Judas, who hanged himself with guilt, proved to be the real Christ and Jesus a cheeky villain.

But Vatican was determined not to let it happen easily. The Goebbels knew that the ‘Gospel of Judas’ would get authenticated sooner or later. The best option in front of them was to kick up a more eye-catching (but weak in substance) controversy so that the fatal gospel would pass as a down rated hurricane. The ‘brilliant’ idea of ‘Da Vinci Code’ was thus born. Dan Brown is a typical church grown guinea pig and the mantle of generating the hurricane fell on him. The stamp of Vatican and the evil church can be easily identified on Dan Brown and other producers of the movie for anyone who is willing to spend some time. The book was launched almost at the same time the article authenticating ‘Gopsel of Judas’ came up in National Geographic. Catholic Church all over the world took extra efforts in kicking up the controversy regarding the Code in no time. Both the movie and book was promoted by the church by organizing protests and demonstrations against it. Side by side they arranged seminars and study classes to get the poor laity convinced about the falsehood of the Code. The whole operation remains a classic case study of marketing a grenade to spoil the chances of a nuclear bomb. And only Vatican could have done it.

Kerala Angle to Operation Code
Kerala always had a special place in Vatican’s scheme of things for South Asia. Almost all the ‘shepherds’ spearheading evangelisation in various parts of the Indian sub-continent are Keralites. In Kerala itself, the stranglehold of Christianity on vital fields like education, health and industry is overwhelming. Hundreds of denominations of Christians are working overtime for reaching their harvesting targets by 2025 AD. Their original target was 2000 AD, but major institutions like Sabarimala, Attukal and Guruvayoor which are attracting devotees from outside the state stood in the way. Then there were the competing forces of Islam that was also targeting the same crowd with much more attractive Arabian carrots. Attempt by a combined might of Rahman, John and Peter in trapping the wayward Sabarimala tantri and thereby spoil the name of Sabarimala during the ensuing season is only symbolic of the deadly combination of ant-Hindu forces operating in Kerala. Actress Jayamala with her Christian husband also contributed to it in a significant way.

There were many Hindus who were overjoyed when DC Books published a translation of ‘Da Vinci Code’ immediately after its release in India. One Gopikrishnan was also roped in the translation effort to give credence to the exercise. Again it missed the innocent vision of Kerala Hindus that the immediate release by DC Books was only a part of the larger game plan of deflecting attention from the much more devastating Gospel of Judas. Vatican had planned the full drama in minute details well ahead. DC and Jeevan vied with one another to keep the issue alive for almost a month so that the Gospel revelation could pass unnoticed. The strong majority of Christians in the media also did their part in ensuring that no major news items about the Gospel came up for attention in any of the newspapers or TV channels. As usual, the couple of dump Hindu channels missed the news completely. And those who noticed it remained ‘secular’ to take it up.

Among our own saints in the immediate past, only Chattampi Swamigal could foresee the coming mechanisations of the Christian brotherhood in the landscape of Kerala. His literary attempt of ‘Christumathachetanam’ under a pseudo name during those days shows his desperate attempt to highlight the impending catastrophe to the Kerala Hindus. As usual we never bothered and never took it seriously. But we cannot afford to do that anymore. It is time to act before we reach a point of no-return. One of the best options in front of us is to give as much publicity as possible for the National Geographic expose’ on ‘Gospel of Judas’. We should go in for a translation of the complete article (or an interpretation of it) in all the Indian languages and issue thousands of copies free of cost to all the vulnerable sections of the society. Nobody in his senses will opt for converting to a religion whose messiah has betrayed the trust of humanity for generations. The simple fact that Judas is holier than Jesus is enough to put off the aggressive evangelists from pursuing with their hidden agenda in India. Offence is indeed the best form of defence and it is time that Hindus started practising it.

http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/cru...india.html
http://www.burningcross.net

http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.htm
http://www.seechange.org/media/Broadside...02001).htm
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/index.htm


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