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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Negotiating team reaches Lal Masjid ISLAMABAD, July 9 (Reuters) - A delegation of Muslim scholars along with ex-premier and head of the ruling PML Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain assembled outside the besieged Lal Masjid with loudspeakers late Monday afternoon to beseech Abdul Rashid Ghazi and his militants to send out dead and wounded along with women and children. They were mandated earlier in the day by prime minister Shaukat Aziz to make yet another attempt to end the seven-day old crisis. “We have come here to make a last request,” Shujaat told reporters as he approached the barbed wire cordon. “We are here to request them to hand over bodies to us and send injured for treatment. We will try to take forward the negotiation process.” (Posted @ 19:30 PST)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Lal Masjid cleric agrees to talks, govt offers house arrest: PM ISLAMABAD, July 9 (AFP) –Lal Masjid’s cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi under siege in his mosque agreed to hold crunch talks Monday with ministers and religious scholars via loudspeaker in a bid to end the crisis, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz told newsmen <b>He said the government was ready to offer Ghazi the option to be held under house arrest along with his ailing mother if he surrenders and leaves the mosque.</b> A seven-member negotiating team headed by former premier Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain will try to persuade Ghazi to give himself up and to free women and children inside the complex, the prime minister said. “The team will negotiate through a speaker system so that all team members can hear whatever Ghazi says,” Aziz said at his official residence in Islamabad. “We are not sending any negotiating team inside the mosque as they are unpredictable people and have also taken six parents as hostage,” Aziz added. “We are trying to avoid loss of life and using all negotiating options to end this crisis, including house arrest for Ghazi and his old mother,” the premier added. (Posted @ 18:54 PST)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Eight top terrorists inside Lal Masjid’</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->“Nine suspected terrorists said to be far more dangerous and harmful than Al Qaeda and Taliban operatives were hiding inside the mosque compound,” Haq told a press conference here. He refused to reveal the identities of these militants.
VIEW: <b>Musharraf has to go </b>—Dr Ayesha Siddiqa
<i>President Musharraf is delaying the growth of the political process by continuing in power. He might have a vision about the nation’s interest but the fact remains that he is now hindering the growth of the political system</i>

<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

Indeed Mush the Tush has to go.

However, being the typical Lotastaani General, will on go if :

1. If the US in the form of Bush tells him to go and nominates Mush’s successor.

2. A Pakistani General Stages a Bloodless coup - sanctioned by Bush - and Mush the Tush is sent into Exile by “Diplomatically” or other a similar Term.

3. A Pakistani General supported by the Fundamental Islamic Jehadi Religious Terrorist takes over in which case Mush the Tush will have a Rendezvous with his Destiny i.e. <b>Tête à Tête with the Lamppost.</b>

Meantime back at the Ranch :

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<b>ISLAMABAD : Deputy chief of Lal mosque Abdul Rashid Ghazi has agreed to hold talks with a delegation led by President Pakistan Muslim League Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain to hold negotiations to resolve the Lal Mosque standoff.</b>

As a result the Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and others decided to move into the premises of the Lal Mosque when the delegation arrived at the surrender point and Ghazi agreed to hold talks with the delegation after he was contacted through a megaphone and mobile.

The delegation included the federal cabinet members, social workers and clerics to hold negotiations with the Deputy chief of Lal mosque.

However, the deadlock continues over the initiation of talks as the delegation members were insisting that Mr. Ghazi should come out and they are reluctant to go inside the premises of the Lal mosque fearing that they might be taken hostages, on the other hand Mr. Ghazi was insisting that the delegation members should come inside the mosque for the talks fearing that he might be arrested if comes outside.

<b>President Pervez Musharraf has authorised Chaudhry Shujaat Hussai, to broker the "last-ditch" negotiations to end the weeklong standoff.</b>

Earlier, Mr. Ghazi agreed Monday to hold talks with seven top religious leaders, overseen by League Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.

Religious leaders including those recommended by Ghazi held a lengthy meeting with Hussain and current Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad, a senior government official said.

<b>The group included the head of the main religious body that oversees Islamic schools in Pakistan and the former leader of a banned militant group.</b>

Musharraf appointed Hussain to set up the talks during a high-level meeting.

"The meeting authorised Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain to make a real last-ditch effort to convince the militants holding women and children to release them," another government official who attended the Musharraf talks said.

Musharraf emphasised that the priority was to save the women and children inside the Red Mosque, whom the government says are being held by the militants as human shields.

"They must be released by the hostage-takers," the official quoted the president as saying.

Comments : It is a fact that Mush will not take any “Stern Action” as demanded by the Chinese. As such all this “Nautanki” is to prove to the Chinese that the only way to solve this crisis was to bring the Lotastaani Religions Leadership into the Play and as such he will have to be lenient with the Pakistani fundamental Islamic Jehadi Religious Terrorists and let the Leaders of the Red Mosque go with a “Strong Reprimand”.

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Comments : It is a fact that Mush will not take any “Stern Action” as demanded by the Chinese. As such all this “Nautanki” is to prove to the Chinese that the only way to solve this crisis was to bring the Lotastaani Religions Leadership into the Play and as such he will have to be lenient with the Pakistani fundamental Islamic Jehadi Religious Terrorists and let the Leaders of the Red Mosque go with a “Strong Reprimand”.
Mushy is very smart, no doubt. He is able to fool Bush and now he is doing same with Chini. Indian leadership is fool, so no need to fool them.
He had become stronger, now public is supporting him. very small number of fundoos may be unhappy, but he will tell them he was able to save them from Chini as he did with Amreka.
I don't think Unkle will rock his boat at this stage, they are very busy with Iraq and Pelosi.
<b>Pak launches massive attack on Lal Masjid</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Loud explosions rocked Islamabad minutes after talks between the Pakistan government and radicals broke down. Two security personnel are dead and 40 radicals are killed in a gunbattle, which is still going on.

The firing from both sides began around 0400 hours IST as soon as the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Q President Shujaat Hussain in a brief nationally televised press conference said that talks had failed.

“There is no information whether the chief cleric of Lal Masjid is dead or alive. But the militants are well armed. We will allow the media to go near the area soon,” Pakistan Army spokesperson Wahid Arshad said in a press conference
Chief cleric killed at Pakistan mosque

I believe all this started with 7 mosques being demolished since it was a bit inconvenient for the Paki CEO motorcade? Names, lists, pictures of those mosques please?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I believe all this started with 7 mosques being demolished since it was a bit inconvenient for the Paki CEO motorcade? Names, lists, pictures of those mosques please?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
here is news -
Obituary: <b>Abdul Rashid Ghazi </b>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...ia/6281228.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Abdul Rashid Ghazi's father came from a poor and religious family in Rajanpur district in southern Punjab.

The real problems between [Ghazi] and the state developed in 2004, over the operation against pro-Taleban militants in Pakistan's tribal areas

<b>The family belongs to the Baloch Mazari, a warrior tribe from southern Punjab and north-eastern Balochistan. </b>

Maulana Abdullah's circle of influence included senior government officials and politicians and he was said to be very close to former military ruler Gen Zia-ul-Haq.

In 1998, Maulana Abdullah was assassinated in the courtyard of the Red Mosque. According to his will, his elder son, Maulana Abdul Aziz, replaced him as the mosque's khateeb (the person who delivers the sermon).

Like other religious leaders, Abdul Rashid Ghazi also condemned the operation and used the Red Mosque to wage a campaign against it.

<b>During this time the mosque issued a fatwa or religious edict which said that soldiers dying in the campaign should described as "killed", while the militants' dead were to be called "martyrs". This enraged President Musharraf and the army.

Soon after, the government announced that Abdul Rashid Ghazi had been involved in a plot to blow up the president's house, the parliament building and army headquarters on Pakistan's independence day</b>.

Abdul Rashid Ghazi went underground, and the government presented an explosive-filled truck owned by him as evidence of his involvement to the media


<b>Further investigations apparently revealed that Abdul Rashid Ghazi had close contacts with militants in Pakistan's tribal area of Waziristan. </b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ghazi was not related to Kashmir but Balochistan. Mushy is trying to remove people related to Baloch movement.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pakistan has to contend extremism, says US

WASHINGTON: Observing that Pakistan was a good friend in fighting terrorism, the US has said extremism is something that Islamabad has to contend with.

At the State Department, the Spokesman Sean McCormack on Tuesday said, "I'm not going to get into operational details of our working relationship with the Pakistani government in fighting terrorism. But let's also remember, Pakistan is a sovereign country. And they have a sovereign government that's responsible for law and order within their borders."

"We believe Pakistan is a good ally, a good friend in fighting terror. They have an issue there with violent extremism. It's an issue that affects the Pakistani people as well as others in the region and the US," he added.

He said the US had a real interest in working with Pakistan in terms of fighting violent extremism. "But with respect to any particular military or intelligence operations, that's not something that I would comment on" the Spokesman said.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Batgram madressah brigades let loose terror on Lal Masjid issue </b>
Updated at 1510 PST
BATGRAM: Hundreds of gun toting madressah students from all over the district here irked by Lal Masjid operation let loose a reign of terror by opening wild gunfire rocking the soothing calms of the hills and dales and blocking the Shahrah-e-Qaraqoram for all sorts of traffic.

Sources told that hundreds of infuriated students of Madressah Kaspal near Thakot went on rampage at the Shahrah-e-Qaraqoram in protest against the Lal Masjid operation and blocked the road.

Police sources said that the madressah brigades have taken positions on top of the mountains and firing in the air discriminately. High police officials told Geo News that the police were trying to resolve the issue by holding talks instead of commanding force in action and the local member assembly has been requested to help the law enforcing agencies in negotiating peace. Police further said that no contacts could be made with the militant students thus far.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They will roast rest. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>MMA announces 3-day mourning against mosque operation </b>
Updated at 1445 PST
ISLAMABAD: Muttahida Majalis-e-Amal (MMA) has announced three-day mourning against the Lal Masjid operation.

The religious parties alliance Tuesday taken the decision in a meeting of MMA parliamentary party in Islamabad. <b>Deputy Secretary General of the alliance Liaquat Baloch presided over the meeting. </b>

Talking to Geo News after the meeting Baloch said that countrywide protest day will be observed against the Lal Masjid operation on July 11 and 12.
The alliance will hold demonstrations and ulema conventions in all provinces against the operation in Islamabad, he added.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems they were Balochistan freedom fighter.
Just for record -
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Geo TV is owned by Mir family who also own Jang news papers.

ARY is owned by Abdul Rahman Yaqoob who is originally a Gold merchant from Karachi and does most of his business in Dubai.

Mir are traditionally very closely allied to Nawaz Sharif whereas ARY is very close to BB.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Chronology of Pakistan mosque siege </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->30 minutes ago
A chronology leading up to Tuesday's bloody raid of the Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, in the Pakistani capital:

• January 2007: Scores of female seminary students armed with canes occupy a children's library in Islamabad, protesting government plans to demolish mosques and madrassas — religious schools — built without official permission.

• March 27: In the start of a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign, female students abduct three women they accuse of running a brothel, then later seize two policemen. They are released after reportedly repenting.

• April 6: The mosque sets up an Islamic Shariah court. The mosque's senior cleric, Maulana Abdul Aziz, vows to launch thousands of suicide attacks if the government tries to close him down.

• April 9: The Shariah court hands down a religious edict, or fatwa, against Pakistan Tourism Minister Nilofar Bakhtiar, accusing her of committing a sin, after she is shown in newspaper photographs embracing a parachuting instructor following a charity jump in France.

• April 10: The government blocks the mosque's Web site and radio station.

• May 19: Students associated with the mosque kidnap four policemen after the arrest of a dozen mosque supporters. The kidnap of another two policemen follows. All are eventually freed.

• June 23: Dozens of students kidnap nine people, including six Chinese women and a Chinese man, from an acupuncture clinic, claiming it is a brothel. All are freed following protests from Beijing, in what proves to be the last straw in the six-month confrontation.

• July 3: Escalating tensions erupt into street battles around the mosque between security forces and militants. At least nine people die and some 150 are wounded.

• July 4: Security forces lay siege to the mosque, later demanding an unconditional surrender and the release of alleged hostages held inside. Aziz is arrested sneaking out of the mosque dressed in a burqa and high-heels. His brother Abdul Rashid Ghazi takes over as mosque chief.

• July 7: President Gen. Pervez Musharraf threatens the militants inside the mosque with death if they do not lay down their arms.

• July 10: After negotiations fail, security forces storm the mosque. Ghazi is killed, along with about 50 militants and eight soldiers.
<b>Mosque leader among 60 dead in Pakistan raid </b>

<b>Siege consequences for Musharraf </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->On the domestic front, his move against the militants appears to have the support of Pakistan's largest political party, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), which recently frustrated efforts by the opposition groups to form a united front against him.

<b>Troop movements in the sensitive north-western parts of the country during the last four days indicate that the government is willing to take the Red Mosque campaign to the doorstep of the militants.</b>

The military has been deployed in Swat, a district in the north-west, in an apparent bid to put pressure on a firebrand cleric with militant links and a large following.

<b>In the North Waziristan tribal district on the border with Afghanistan, the army has risked jeopardising a peace deal with local militants by re-occupying some check posts it had vacated as part of that deal. </b>

<b>Revenge strikes by the militants during the Red Mosque siege have led to the killing of at least 19 people, including 11 law enforcement personnel, in North West Frontier Province (NWFP). </b>

Tension is also running high in the neighbouring tribal areas along the Afghan border where militant leaders wanted by the government have been addressing large public rallies held to condemn the mosque siege.

<b>But if the government is going to take the militants on again, it could have major knock-on effects on its policy towards Afghanistan.</b>
Mushy's action is to tell west, don't replace me, I can destroy militants in Pakistan. West is forcing him to shed his Khaki and fight President election in 2007 as a civilian. Basically, he took action against Balochistan related militant not Kashmiri.
He is a clever fox.
<b>Lal Masjid crisis may derail Pak elections: Report</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Its latest report says, 'A militant reaction to the Red Mosque operation or a sweeping government action against jihadist forces -- or both -- is likely to lead to significant violence and unrest. The United States likely will be watching the situation closely and will be ready to act should the situation arise. In such a situation the government could move to impose some form of emergency rule."

Its latest analysis claims, 'Even if Musharraf decides against imposing emergency rule, the fallout from the Red Mosque operation could still cause a delay in the elections. At the very least, Parliament could be dismissed, which would allow Musharraf to continue as a president leading a caretaker government for some time before new elections could be held. But this will only allow him a limited amount of time to conclude ongoing back-channel talks with his political opponents to secure his own political future.'

He states, "Musharraf may claim to the West that he is a tough guy who can fight the radicals. But, the middle and poor classes are angry with him. There were children and women in that mosque and people are not impressed by the attack."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yahoo pictures on Lal Masjid

<b>US backs Pakistan's storming of radical mosque </b>
AAJ was reporting that 9 madrissahs in karachi were under guard or something like that.

jamiyah faruqia
jamia rasheedia?
<b>binoria alamia
boinori -jamshed town</b>
ashraf ul madaris
jamiah tuk islamia
dar ul aloom fb area,
dar al aloom clifton,
dar al aloom korangi
<b>Jordan IAF slam Lal Masjid raid </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The country's powerful Islamic Action Front (IAF), the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, said the "way Pakistan dealt with the problem was wrong.

"The use of military solutions will lead to more unrest. The issue should have been solved through dialogue," IAF secretary general Zaki Bani Rsheid told AFP.

<b>"The movement condemns the killings and violation of the mosque's sanctity," </b>Salem Falahat, leader of the country's largest opposition grouping, told AFP.

"Pakistan undermined the lives of innocent people, which is dangerous and unprecedented. The government should have given more time to the besieged people inside the mosque."

Falahat accused Pakistan of "trying to win the satisfaction of the United States."

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