Islamism - 7

[Husky]

[quote name='balai_c' date='09 June 2012 - 08:42 PM' timestamp='1339254294' post='115064']

Husky, have you heard of the website JIHADWATCH. It was started by a guy called Robert Spencer. It focuses on Islamophobic events around the world. One strange aspect of this website is near amnesia about the ill-effects of Christian Proselytization in India, or other Islamic countries. Some Gora -kicking Hindus appear to be member of this website. The website primarily focuses on western and American events, nearly blank on India.

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I think everyone here - even "Husky" - has heard of Jihadwatch. But this bit that I've found on Elst may answer your question as to why Jihadwatch is naturally chummy with christianism and wouldn't like exposure of christian terrorism against heathens (a terrorism that's quite on par with islam's jihad, heathens can't choose between them):



koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2012/05/reza-pirbhai-and-voice-of-india.html.

Apparently some Iranian-sounding "Reza Pirbhai" entity (and not just cryptochristian-communist Meera Nanda) was trying to attack the Hindu "Voice of India" for VOI's daring intellectual assault on islam:

Pirbhai, a closet White Supremacist, persists in his colonial fixation: “Of course, Orientalist tropes concerning Muslim ‘atrocities’ are nothing new among Hindu intellectuals (...) Nor is the persistence of Orientalist misrepresentations particular to Hindutva circles.” (p.43) With this, he also attacks their Western counterparts, naming specifically Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or and Ibn Warraq (of Lebanese, Egyptian and Pakistani provenance, respectively).

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‘neoconservative [color="#0000FF"]Christians’ like Spencer[/color], ‘rightist Jews’ like Ye’or and ‘secular humanists’ like Ibn Warraq.” (p.52-53)

[color="#0000FF"]It seems I must be wrong about Bat Ye'or - and not just in the spelling of her pseudonym as "Y'eor": apparently she's Jewish not christian?[/color] Hmmm, yet there was something she wrote that... but it does not signify. (To revise then: W. Shoebat is known to be a converted 'born-again' type christian from the Middle-east.

Further famous activists against islam - beyond the Iranian Ali Sina who IIRC held up Krishnamoorti as influencing his 'spiritual' outlook, and the deceased Pakistani Anwar Shaikh whose iShTadeva upon reversion was no less a God than Indran -

there's Italian Oriana F., then there's the Iranian Homa Darabi (sp?), the Afghan site HRAIC or HRAAIC or something and other ant-islamic sites like the defunct freethoughtmecca within islamic society, though freethoughtmecca had western ex-muslims. The aforementioned individuals were made famous by being given mentions on Ali Sina's faithfreedom and the now defunct site secularislam belonging to Ibn Warraq.

All these individuals and sites, along with the western-christian sites apostates-of-islam and answering-islam, emerged into serious visibility after the attack on the twin towers.)





But while jihadwatch may be pro-christian (is it as anti-Hindu/anti-heathen as the christo-western freerepublic?),

faithfreedom is quite inundated by christianism whose sheep are no doubt leveraging FF's direction owing to their large presence there.

1. Most crimes listed at faithfreedom against islam exist in christianism too (and other islamic crimes existed in christianism until a recent century).

2. But what's more surprising is that FF has articles on how mohammed never existed, how multiple conflicting korans were merged into one "word of gawd-allah" later on, how islam was concocted, etc. Yet these very same charges are to be levelled *first* against christianism. Indeed, they were already levelled against christianism by the late-ancient Greco-Romans - who did their homework on christianism - over 1.5 millennia ago: that jeebus never existed, the case of the multiple conflicting gospels leading to a pick-and-choose babble 'word of gawd' during various church councils and differing among christian sects, and how christianism was a concocted religion with a concocted history.



Yet, despite this, I'm not sure if Ali Sina in faithfreedom and his normal readers are even aware of how these very things give the lie to christianism too as being a supposedly "valid let alone harmless ideology that deserves to be left alone instead of dismantled along with islam". No doubt FF's large gang of christian missionary "readers" - looking to pounce on ex-muslims - don't want anyone to know these things about their own ideology as they want to project it as the replacement of islam.



But both religions need to be exposed, simultaneously. Ali Sina should really do that, yet without descending into "all religious are equally bunk" (which would be a falsehood).

I think Ali Sina (an apostate/deconvert, not a revert/heathen) doesn't really have sympathy for heathen religions, but he sympathises with heathens as victims of islamania, and so I don't think he would go out to offend them, as his only real enemy appears to be islam.