Raju I had to edit your post and make it smaller.
Lot of info is obtained by knowing the correct information and also the source of the information.
2012 is being used by all sorts of govts and agencies and religions, EJs for it sown goal.
We are discussing here to remove all the propaganda and bring the correct info.
Lunar mission has lot of unknowns. Hence lot of BS can be put by various agencies.
Acharya, feel free to edit the posts. I can live with that.
We need objectivity.
04-18-2007, 02:33 AM
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Indiadaily cannot be considered objective
Did you get my email
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http://www.jayweidner.com/2012Topology.html
According to the mythology of the Yuga system there are four ages of life and time on our planet. It is important to remember that there are many cycles within cycles in the Hindu Yuga system so the years mentioned next may have to do with a larger cycle than the one addressed in this article. Perhaps the huge number of years referred to below is the cycle of the solar system as it circles another star or perhaps it is a portion of the great cycle of one revolution around the galactic center.
The first age is the Satya Yuga or the Golden Age according to Fulcanelli. The Hindu texts tell us that this age lasts 1,728,000 years. This is an age of extreme splendour when the beings on our planet appear to live much longer than they do now. In this age there are no wars, famines strife or evil.
The second age is called the Treta Yuga, or the Silver age. As in the second law of thermodynamics, or entropy, things begin to slip in this age and the beings on Earth begin to deteriorate. This slippage, at least during this second age is the beginning of corruption and evil is introduced into the planetary sphere. This age lasts 1,296,000 years according to the Vedic texts of India.
The third age of this cycle is called the Dvapara Age, or the Bronze Age. This is the beginning of the âfallâ of humanity. In this age corruption comes on more fully, evil begins to spread and things start to fall into disharmony. This age lasts 864,000 years.
The last age is called the Kali Yuga, or the Iron Age. This age is the age we are in right now. Evil and corruption become the driving force as greed, wars, famine and disease spread across the planet like a tidal wave of death and destruction. This age lasts, according to the Hindu texts for 432,000 years. (For more information see also Tolkien at the End of Time: Alchemical Secrets of the Lord of the Rings by Jay Weidner and Sharron Rose at jayweidner.com, or see Reflections on the Cycle of the Great Yuga by Sharron Rose at sharronrose.com).
What is important to understand while discussing these huge numbers found in the Hindu texts is that they are describing the four ages within a context of understanding that each successive age is shorter than the previous age. The Satya Yuga, or the Golden Age, is one quarter longer than the Treta Yuga, or the Silver Age. The Treta Yuga is one quarter longer than the Dvapara Yuga, or the Bronze Age. Understanding these differences in the lengths of the ages becomes important to the following discussion.
According to Fulcanelli and the cross at Hendaye, the alchemical Four Ages comprise the four quadrants of a 25,920 yearlong cycle called the precession of the equinoxes. Essentially, the precession of the equinoxes can be explained by the fact that our Earth has a wobble. Like a top spinning on the floor, as it begins to lose momentum this wobble of the earth takes nearly 26,000 years to unfold. The strange engraving of the four âAâsâ (see illustration A) on the cross of Hendaye is a "hieroglyph of the universe", according to Fulcanelli. It is "comprised of the conventional signs of heaven and earth, the spiritual and the temporal, the macrocosm and the microcosm, in which major emblems of the redemption (cross) and the world (circle) are found in association".
The Precession of the Equinoxes
What Fulcanelli appears to be saying here is that the precession of the equinoxes is to be divided into four distinct ages of 6480 years each (4 divided into 25,920) or, to round off the figures to approximately 6500 years each. This is also interesting because the zodiacal cycle, which lasts 25,920 years, has four fixed signs. These are the signs of Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio. These four signs are separated by 6,500 years each. Also in the Book of Ezekiel and in the Book of Revelation we are told of the angel with four faces. This angel has the face of a Lion (Leo), a Bull (Taurus), a Man (the angel) and an Eagle (in older times Scorpio was represented by an eagle instead of a scorpion). Apparently, according to Fulcanelli, both of these books in the Bible are warnings and messages about the four quadrants of the precession of the equinoxes and appear to be telling us that there is some kind of great change whenever we arrive at one of these four signs.
Of course it is well known that we are currently entering the Age of Aquarius. The Cross at Hendaye and Fulcanelli are telling us that there are tremendous changes to be found here on Earth when we enter into one of the four fixed signs. Apparently these changes can be cataclysmic.
Obviously this 6,500 year long dating of the four alchemical ages disagrees with the Hindu Yuga system, which insists that each Yuga is of varying time lengths. It is in trying to iron out the dissimilarities in these two time periods that the hyperdimensional aspects of time can be best revealed.
Jay Weidner essay on Kubrick's 2001
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2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Writing credits
Arthur C. Clarke story The Sentinel (uncredited) &
Arthur C. Clarke screenplay &
Stanley Kubrick screenplay
Produced by
Stanley Kubrick .... producer
Victor Lyndon .... associate producer (uncredited)
Cinematography by
Geoffrey Unsworth
Film Editing by
Ray Lovejoy
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Having always been a Kubrick fan, his death jolted me. I began to think about him and some of the many stories I heard about him. He was a funny looking Jewish kid, a high school dropout, from the Bronx. He had an early interest in photography and soon was shooting stills for Look Magazine. After that he went to become a filmmaker. After completing a couple of interesting documentaries, he directed five commercial films over the next 8 years. This would be his highest period for output in his entire life.
Kubrick left the United States in 1961 and moved to England. There, it is reported that, he lived in a weird, old castle on a huge estate. He never came back to live in America. Robert Temple told me that Stanley was obsessed with Nazi memorabilia. I heard the rumor that Stanley had a provision in his contract at Pinewood Studios that the sets for 2001 could not be torn down for two years after the shoot was completed. Kubrick would come by the studio, late at night, always alone, and walk through the sets very slowly. When the sets were finally torn down it was rumored that Stanley went into a deep depression.
There is also the famous Stephen King story of the phone ringing in the middle of the night. Stephen answers and it is Stanley calling from London. He is on the set of 'The Shining' and his voice sounds anxious. 'Do you believe in God?', Stanley demanded. Stephen cleared his throat and answered 'yes'. Stanley gruffly replied ' I knew it' and hangs up on Stephen. King, who clearly does not understand what Stanley was doing, disowned Kubrick's film of King's book.
2001' took an entire generation by storm. It was the late '60's and the largest generation on the planet was seeing the film on a ritualized basis. Cinerama theaters across the country reported scores of 'drugged-out' hippies flocking to the theater on a nightly basis to 'trip out' on the film.
Strangely though, no one in the audience really seemed to know what the film was about. The film seemed to cause everyone to come away with a different interpretation. And no one could adequately explain the last 25 minutes. It was generally agreed that this was the most controversial part of the entire movie. Indeed many thousands of hours were taken up in coffee houses and dormitories, in universities and colleges, discussing the various possible meanings that the ending was describing. Everyone agreed that it had something to do with transformation, but no one knew really much more than that. Even Arthur C. Clarke, who helped Stanley write the script, didn't understand the unusual ending. And Stanley wasn't talking. He steadfastly refused to discuss what '2001' was about to anyone. In the rare interviews that he did give, concerning the film, he again refused to discuss the content at all. Most critics at the time thought that Kubrick simply did not know how to conclude the movie so he contrived this ending. I can assure you that this is not so. The ending to the '2001' explains everything that Stanley is conveying in the rest of the film. Without the ending, the film would be nearly worthless. It is in that ending that Kubrick reveals his deep inner profound knowledge of alchemy, gnosticism and the ancient view of the spirit domain.
After finally landing on the moon, meeting with some Russians, Floyd gives a strange speech explaining to a group of military and scientific beauraocrats how they must keep what they have found completely secret. It seems that the Americans have discovered something of immense significance. News this important, he says, could cause severe psychological problems with the good citizens back on Earth. He tells the group of scientists and military men that humans on Earth will have to be 'conditioned' to accept what it is that they found. Floyd blandly explains why is it so important that they must concoct a cover story. A story that says an epidemic has broken out at the American moon base. Kubrick reveals, in this scene, the contempt that our masters of the Military Industrial complex hold for us. The truth of something amazing must be held secret from us until we are conditioned to receive it. <span style='color:red'>This is done with such a masterful sleight-of-hand by Kubrick that the implications are never really considered by the viewer. The Pentagon, NASA, or someone, is hiding the most astonishing fact of all from the rest of the human race. And everyone on the screen shakes their head in approval without considering the import of what it is they are doing. </span>
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Kubrick transformed the entire baby boomer generation. He opened up vistas in the mind for them that had never been seen before. </b>
Furthermore he gave an important spiritual context to his visions so that they made sense instead of just being mindless hallucinations and visions that went nowhere. Almost everyone sensed that the movie was saying something of immense importance. </span>
Finally we get to Kubrick's ultimate trick. He proves that he knows exactly what he is doing with this trick. His secret is in plain sight. He also proves, with this trick, that everything being said in this essay is correct. First one must remember that every time the monolith, the magical stone, appears in the film there is also a strange, beautiful, celestial alignment occurring. 2012
Once again, the secret of the film is completely revealed from the beginning. There is a monolith that appears right after the opening sequence with the magical, lunar eclipse. But where is it? It is right in front of the viewer's eyes! <span style='color:red'>The film is the monolith. In a secret that seems to never have been seen by anyone: the monolith in the film has the same exact dimensions as the movie screen on which 2001 was projected. Completely hidden, from critic and fan alike, until now, is the fact that Kubrick consciously designed his film to be the monolith, the stone that transforms. Like the monolith, the film projects images into our heads that make us consider wider possibilities and ideas. Like the monolith, the film ultimately presents an initiation, not just of the actor on the screen, but also of the audience viewing the film. That is Kubrick's ultimate trick.</span> He slyly shows here that he knows what he is doing at every step in the process. The monolith and the movie are the same thing. This idea has been partially proven by the fact that Stanley never again used that size ratio for any other films that he would make for the rest of his career. He carefully decided to make '2001' his last film done with this screen size ratio.
The black, single stone becomes the container of creation and the alchemical cube at the same time. It is, in a way, a cubed brick. Is this another trick of Stanley's, who's last name (Kubrick, 'Cubed-Brick') mirror's that concept so clearly? This black stone of creation is also one of the main features in the Islamic religion, where a black meteorite sits near the kaaba, or cube of space, in the Arabian city of Mecca. Kubrick has combined these many deeply held spiritual traditions and symbols and refashioned them into the monolith, or stone,
The great alchemist Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of the human species is going to takes place at some time near the end of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked the date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates prescribed by many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to make of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final transformation of the human species? 2012
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Mayan theories of creation:
18. Like Hindu astronomers Mayans computed the length of earth revolution around Sun to within 1/1000th of a Decimal point. Their recording goes up to 400,000 years in the past.
19 Mayan's 5125 year "GREAT CYCLE OF EVENTS" which began 3113 B.C [Hindu kali yuga started at the same time] ends in A.D. 2012. Mayans believe that there will be great transformation to mankind by year 2012. According to Mayan's theory, by the year A.D. 2012 a global society will emerge, when all of us will be extremely closer to one another since all of us will know all about each other.
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MAYAN CALENDAR ENDS on December 21, 2012
What will happen after that date?
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I for one believe that all the humanity will enter into a super consciousness after that day, when all of us think alike------entering into NIRVIKALPA SAMDHI.
20 Like Hindus, Mayans believe in a universe of infinite cycles of time. Mayans believe that our solar system is 7th of that kind. Hindus mythology talks about 7 heavens 7 hells and 7 earths.
21 . Mayans like Hindus also believed in BODY FORCES and treatment of body by properly understanding those forces and treating the body accordingly. I feel, modern science will eventually will take lessons from Mayans and Hindus and will start treating the body just as BIO-ELECTRO MAGNETIC NET WORK and start treating it as a COMPUTER or as a ROBOT.
A day may come, when AIDS will be treated as a blockage in BIO-ELECTRIC NET WORK made by powerful negative GUILTY CONSCIOUSNESS THOUGHTS. [ Of course thoughts are just small specs of electricity in the brain].
21. Did Mayans get the name from Hindus? The word Maya in Sanskrit means ILLUSION. The name of Lord Buddha's mother was MAYA.
In the epic Mahabharata, there is a description of a wandering tribe of navigators, who are called Maya. Can that Maya be the Mayans of Mexico? According archaeologists, the word Mayan came from the word MAYAB, the term usually used to describe Yucatan Peninsula or the name originate from the Roman goddess MAIA!!!
22. How can we disregard Hindu & Mayan theories about creation if we decide to teach children about creation.
Hindu Mythology believes in legend of Agartha, it is believed that it will be in Agartha where Kalki will be born and post-2012 will reveal himself on earth.
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=626
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Asgaard" in Norse mythology, is the Home of the Gods. Louis Jacolliot, a French student of Indian Mythology, states in his book Le Fils de Dieu (The Sons of God), that he learnt from the Brahmin priests in Villenoor of a place named "Asgartha", known as the "City of the Sun", which was the ancient seat of Brahmatma, way back in 13,000 BCE. Jacolliot claims that in 10,000 BCE, some 'Aryan Brahmins' rebelled against their priestly masters and took over Asgartha, forged an alliance with the other priests and became a warrior caste. <b>Later, in 5,000 BCE, two Norse brothers, Ioda and Skandah, invaded Hindustan from the Himalaya region and finally destroyed Asgartha, though they were driven away by the Brahmin warrior-priests. These two continued northward, back to their homeland, the land of the Norsemen, where they were immortalized as "Odin" and "Scandinavia". (The name Scandinavia orignated from Skandah?)</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Swami Dayanand Saraswati thus spoke;
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->While a prominent Cinghalese priest assured the writer that it was well known that <b>the most important Buddhist tracts belonging to the sacred canon were stored away in countries and places inaccessible to the European pundits</b> , the late Swami Dayanand Sarasvati, the greatest Sanskritist of his day in India, assured some members of the Theosophical Society of the same fact with regard to ancient Brahmanical works. When told that Professor Max Müller had declared to the audiences of his "Lectures" that the theory . . ."that there was a primeval preternatural revelation granted to the fathers of the human race, finds but few supporters at present,"âthe holy and learned man laughed. His answer was suggestive. "If Mr. Moksh Mooller, as he pronounced the name, were a Brahmin, and came with me, I might take him to a gupta cave (a secret crypt) near Okhee Math, in the Himalayas, where he would soon find out that what crossed the Kalapani (the black waters of the ocean) from India to Europe were only the bits of rejected copies of some passages from our sacred books. There was a 'primeval revelation,' and it still exists; nor will it ever be lost to the world, but will reappear; though the Mlechchhas will of course have to wait."
Questioned further on this point, he would say no more. This was at Meerut, in 1880.
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Dr Ram Bhosle, an aged healer and a freedom fighter of Mumbai, had to flee to the Himalayas to escape an British arrest warrant. In Himalayas he had the good fortune to meet Mahaavatar Babaji, preceptor of the Kriya Yoga, (introduced to the world by Swami Paramahansa Yogananda in his book The Autobiography of a Yogi), narrates his experience with the holy man thus:
http://vitalcoaching.com/spirit/masters/ba...ortalenigma.htm
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Nicholas Roerich, a famous Russian explorer, artist and mystic, traversed the myserious regions of Himalayas during the 1920s and 30s, specifically in search of the lost realm of Shambala. He wrote a book titled Shambhala, which was published in 1930, along with Himalayas: Abode of Light and Heart of Asia.
He associates it with the underground city of "Agharti" and with the "White Island", and that its "Splendid Valley" is reached via subterranean passages from the Himalayas. ".He further adds that "the underground caverns of Central Asia are inhabited to this day by the people called the Agharti, or Chud, and that when the time of purification comes, say the legends, they will emerge in their glory
What we can infer is there is body of seekers who want to unravel this mystery of the Mayan calender end of time.
What is amazing is the persistent search over generations and lands.
What is driving them?
Are they really seekers or controllers of the explanation of the event?
Also Raju, This Agartha stuff seems a variation of the Aryan origins of the Nordics.
I mean is there really place called Villenoor?
And how does this reconcile with the Unmasking AIT thread(post # 231) which has link that Honsol commented on posted about blonde humans etc in China.
Shambhala is supposed to be the capital of Agartha. It is in Shambhala (village) that Vishnu avatara will take birth. So it is very much on earth, yet hidden away from us.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What we can infer is there is body of seekers who want to unravel this mystery of the Mayan calender end of time.
What is amazing is the persistent search over generations and lands.
What is driving them?
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I think everyone starts out as a seeker, then the seekers become the controllers and guide the newer seekers. Probably this is how it works.
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a french student of Indian mythology. Where is he likely to visit ?
I guess Pondichery. There is a panchayat by that name near Pondi
<span style='color:blue'>What we can infer is there is body of seekers who want to unravel this mystery of the Mayan calender end of time.
What is amazing is the persistent search over generations and lands.
What is driving them? </span>
If one goes thru the authors of all the sites in this thread we see that some of th authors are on 2012 for the last 20 years.
They have been researching and studying the coming event and the stories and culture of that event in every civilization.
Why do they study it?
The west is very much concerned about the course of History and future of their civilization and culture.
The study helps them with clues of which direction the world will go in the near term and long term course of history.
2012 is a FORK of history when the world changes. They want to be in the right side of history whichever way the history forks into.
It could mass conciousness or mass awareness of the world. They want to lead it and create the history for it before anybody else does it. This gives the power and leadership to change the world and rest of the world have to follow them.
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Are they really seekers or controllers of the explanation of the event ?</span>
They want to know all bout the event and with that information control the story and history of the event to their version and culture. That would be ultimate control of the future in their hands and rest of the world would hardly know about it.
They want to be in the lead about the story and build a force of history including religious expansion which would be in their total control since they have media and thought control.
One example is the baby boomer generation which was indoctrinated with 2001 movie in 1968.
<b>Kalki Avatar of Lord Vishnu</b>
Srimad Bhagavtam states in Verse 12, chapter 2, Text 18:
<i>sambhala-grama-mukhyasya
brahmanasya mahatmanah
bhavane visnuyasasah
kalkih pradurbhavisyati</i>
According to this verse, Lord Vishnu will take the Kalki Avatar at the Sambhala village at the end of Kali Yuga to establish the oncoming Satya Yuga. Padma Purana (6.242.8-12) also mentions that the name of the village is Sambhala. This village is supposed not to exist today, but to be be born in due time, from the inner earth. The Tibetan lore speaks of a city named Shamballa which they consider to be in the interior of the earth on the Himalayas. Thus the Satya Yuga with its truly Vedic civilization will be established on the surface of the earth from its interior.
04-20-2007, 12:07 PM
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In relation to Acharya's post #56 here are two synopsis of Issac Asimov's foundation series of SF books. Here while describing a SF world Asimov uses allegory to describe human past as future SF.
1) Templeton Review of Foundation
2) Wikipedia on Foundation
I know its SF but I think enlightened individuals had to resort to SF to project and influence thinking an thought process.
Read the wiki article about how the series influenced people far and wide and supposedly non Western types. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And if you complete the Foundation basics- trilogy then go to
Star Maker by Olaf Stapleton 1937
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