Year 2012 -satya/dwapara Yuga

[Guest]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZPTpI9wXAI&NR=1[/media]

[shamu]

I felt that watching all the videos is a waste of time.



I always had this question. How come people spot these aliens only in western countries? We don't see such reports coming from India, China, Indoneasia, Africa or West Asia.



I felt like laughing when they talked about teleporting materials from a truck. Why could not they teleport the materials from the source itself? They had only hand drawn picture of 6 meter tall guy - no photo or video.



This looks more like psy-ops or they will be announcing some new technologies in that is not known to the public. Rest of the story looks like junk.

[Guest]

there is truth in it. Only problem is everybody is viewing just a part of the elephant.

[shamu]

Could you please elaborate?

[Guest]

shamu, you have raised legitimate questions. But in absence of hard evidence in public domain, one can only make a guess. If you insist I can speculate.



1. Why only we sight these beings in west and why not India ? (can come to other countries mentioned ltr)



>> Ancient openings of sub-terranean faults and newly created abodes are mostly in remote places like Northern Europe, Oceans?, himalayas/tibet. The videos show a rare case of such an occurence even in Southern Europe specifically Italy. In the tibetan-himalayan remotes, the only folks who come into contact are the hermits, recluses, monks who are evolved spiritually and may not feel the need to talk about any such contact. They can take such an event in their stride. In Europe, they come in contact with mainstream civilization who is amazed by this and wants to announce it to the world. But for some reason if they don't, then it would mean they would have been restrained or cautioned from doing this. If you notice even in the present instance, the video was made and the story leaked only after the chief protagonist passed away. It looks hastily done but there is some significant evidence posted as the placement of a certain device near the cusp of the atomic fireball. Similarly the videos were made with their permission and they may or may not allow themselves to be photographed. Or even if photographed the Italian witnesses may be reluctant to publish those for reasons of privacy. There is risk in this because there are 2 major possibilities therein:- one of risk and one of ridicule since that seems to be official western govt position. There is reason for this.



the reason for secrecy is that the role of western govts esp american in this matter is devious. There are two streams of ethereal entities in all human narratives. One is the humanoid (Rama, Krishna, Thor, Indra, dhanawantari, Vishwakarma, Maya etc) and the other is the serpent (occasionaly referred as dragon), which is common to all human myths and narratives wherever it is in the world. These two entities usually keep apart but carry memorial enmity. Even myths from Africa (refer to Credo Mutwa), it is full of references to serpents(dragons) who play a malevolent and subversive role in their evolution. Adam & Eve have a tryst with a serpent in the garden of Eden. Chinese narrative and parts of Indian narrative the role played by the sarpa/dragon is partly positive, in China they were considered benevolent, in India it was both benevolent and malevolent. Anyhow European shelf and scandinavia is where the narrative and myths contain least amount of references to serpents involving in their evolution.



If we skip across to all the UFOlogy, UFO reports, abductees/contactees then most of the negative experiences, if we can generalize, seems to come from beings that are called greys (who according to sources are another creation of the sarpa/dragon entities). And most of the positive, benevolent experiences of contactees from the humanoid beings. It seems mankind is constantly subject to a war of influence between these entities and whenever the sarpa dominates mankind is plunged into turmoil. The CTR (contrarians?) being talked about in the videos, they go by different names in different accounts, but their actions always remain the same in any ufology or modern narrative, seem to be the descriptions given about the sarpa/dragon 'created beings' in the above video. CTRs are referred to as worshippers of science and use science to gain influence/power whereas the humanoids use science to enhance their spirituality and benevolence in society. So everyone sees a part of the picture if they have direct experience or the govt-inspired narrative which seeks to hide more than to reveal.

[sumishi]

[quote name='shamu' date='19 September 2011 - 03:53 AM' timestamp='1316384144' post='112918']... I always had this question. How come people spot these aliens only in western countries? We don't see such reports coming from India, China, Indoneasia, Africa or West Asia....

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[size="3"]Hmm.. Lets imagine ourselves as extra-terrestrials, and that we are doing some peek-a-boo large scale social studies on the 3rd rock from Sol, where there is an interesting lifeform (designated humbug sapiens) intelligent enough to develop, use and misuse <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> technology.



Where should we concentrate more on as peeping toms?<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' /> Obviously, in those regions which are more advanced technologically and influence world affairs. Also, coincidentally, those regions are less populated with lesser chances of being noticed by the sapien hordes. All that much better.<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />



Moreover, based on our visuals of a region named India, which depict long-distance track-based transportation vehicles totally overwhelmed (yet managing to decently roll on), with humbugs all over, inside and outside,<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' /> the high command has expressly forbidden <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' /> landing of our crafts there, for if the humbugs crawl all over in a bid to reach wherever they want to go, our antigravity engines will be hard pressed to take off. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Of course, things are a lot more complicated...<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/size]

[Guest]

btw there is a famous ufowala called Bill Meier, a swiss who used to get 'contacted' and that used to always coincide with 2 bideshi tourists, who were long-term residents in India going back to Europe. In fact his very first contact was made while he was in India.

[Guest]

Meier’s Earliest Photos

These are some of Meier's earliest UFO photos, taken by him in India, in 1964. (They are black and white but these prints have a yellowish tint.) The article about him in the New Delhi Statesman documents that he was already relating information about his extraterrestrial contacts at the time. And, in 1998, Phobol Cheng, a former UN diplomat representing Cambodia, came forward to verify that she (and everyone else who was at the Ashoka Ashram in the 1960s) had witnessed the same UFOs, as well as Meier walking and talking with a woman from one of the ships.

[sumishi]

[size="3"]Check this post in topic "Climate Gate Biggest Hoax of our generation": Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists [-- from The Guardian]



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[/size][size="2"]Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists[/size] [size="2"]Rising greenhouse emissions could tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report[/size] [size="2"]......[/size] [size="2"]To bolster humanity's chances of survival, the researchers call for caution in sending signals into space, and in particular [color="#ff0000"]warn against broadcasting information about our biological make-up, which could be used to manufacture weapons that target humans.[/color][color="#ff0000"]*** [/color]Instead, any contact with ETs should be limited to mathematical discourse "until we have a better idea of the type of ETI we are dealing with."[/size] [size="2"]......[/size]

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[size="3"]OR, is this prepping the people for a project Neelabeam type scenario??<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> [replace Neela with Blue][/size]



[size="2"][color="#ff0000"]***[/color][/size][size="3"] That warning is really interesting!! According to some non-mainstream (read - relatively non-propagandised and non-compromised) media reports, the "military-industrial complex", through their biological warfare underground projects on DNA of human races, already have race-specific bio-weapons. The Georgia Guidestones does talk about maintaining population to one-tenth the current level. How nice if population is "maintained" race-specifically!! And blame the "aliens" of project Neelabeam for it all ![/size]

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[/indent][size="3"]A possible scenario for 2012, for those who would like to bring it to pass to usher in the NWO, while blaming the mayan calendar?<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



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[Guest]

If something still being planned has already been revealed then it is not going to happen. It's disinformation.

[sumishi]

[quote name='Raju' date='22 September 2011 - 03:42 PM' timestamp='1316685869' post='112957']

If something still being planned has already been revealed then it is not going to happen. It's disinformation.

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[size="3"]Can't say you are wrong, but.....hmmm... lets see ...



The pilot episode of the series "The Lone Gunmen", 6 months before 9/11, featured a terrorist plot (which was foiled) to fly a hijacked airplane into the WTC. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



In July, 2001, in an interview Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said many Americans will face hard times for a long time to come. That is prepping the public for a full scale depression which has not been officially announced yet.



There is a distinction between "revealing" and "prepping." Prepping might be "revealing" to some if they think deep enough, but majority wont. And yet the majority is psychologically hardened against an eventuality.

Of course, the "revelation" might itself come a cropper.<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> [/size]

[Guest]

Govt and 'official version' should be kept aside for a while, because they are interested only in subversion. Disinformation is mixing of false information with good information or else putting many different misleading theories to cloud the truth.

[Guest]

End of world according to their outlook. You have to study them deeply to understand what their outlook is.

[shamu]

Mayans' do not claim the end of the world. According to them, their calender resets in 2012. This has been hijacked by some western agents with agenda and started a big propaganda, and most of the propaganda happens in the west. Looks like something is planned for that event and, of course, they will blame Mayan "pseudo-science" and its civilization for the false propaganda.



[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6300744/2012-is-not-the-end-of-the-world-Mayan-elder-insists.html"]2012 is not the end of the world, Mayan elder insists[/url]

[sumishi]

[quote name='anisha_Astrology' date='29 September 2011 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1317265924' post='113075']

thanks for your information. may be you are right, that west has some interest in propagating such ideas. please clear my doubts.

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[size="3"]Kindly read this topic from the beginning, and all doubts will be cleared.[/size] <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[acharya]

You can see your first discussion on the 90 year cycle

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....5cdde54e04



My response on this



http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....5cdde54e04





The LCM of 60 years are used for individual people when the power of shani and Guru is doubled.

Yes the Shani 30 year cycle is roughly 29.45 years and not exactly 30 but the effect on the country is between that general period. The current calander is corrected over many decades but the real dates are found using the ephemeris. Use this table to find the real year of the position of the planet instead of adding the years.

http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm





For the countries you need to know the Dasa which the country is going thru

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....5cdde54e04

[acharya]

[quote name='shamu' date='28 September 2011 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1317185538' post='113047']

Mayans' do not claim the end of the world. According to them, their calender resets in 2012. This has been hijacked by some western agents with agenda and started a big propaganda, and most of the propaganda happens in the west. Looks like something is planned for that event and, of course, they will blame Mayan "pseudo-science" and its civilization for the false propaganda.



[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6300744/2012-is-not-the-end-of-the-world-Mayan-elder-insists.html"]2012 is not the end of the world, Mayan elder insists[/url]

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What will happen is that the world will reset and global order will change

There will not be any more colonized people and people

But new people will try economic colonization of other people.



The old colonial order will be disbanded and new order will have to be reached by the new countries

[Guest]

T

he Hidden Hand Dialogue is a set of questions and answers given by a self-described Illuminati insider and members of the Above Top Secret Forum that was recorded in October 2008. The insider responds to questions in a sincere and consistent way, and reveals valuable information about the secret control mechanisms used by an elite group of insiders he calls "The Family". Among the many insights s/he gives is that the leadership of the family is very much aligned with a group of extraterrestrial visitors. If genuine, the Hidden Hand dialogues provide many answers to how our world is secretly run, how the extraterrestrial question applies to it, and what may happen at the end of the Mayan Calendar in 2012.

This is how the Hidden Hand justifies why The Family engages in behaviors that many describe as evil:



[[color="#2E8B57"]W]e need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity, if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. In other words, we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme degree, in order to become Negatively Harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be,[/color]

Put simply, this means that the more highly negative or "evil" the Family is in maintaining its control over the rest of humanity, the more likely that the Family can achieve its ultimate goal. While this appears paradoxical, the Hidden Hand elaborates a complex philosophy as to why this is so.



U[color="#2E8B57"]nderstand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier.

By "catalyst," the Hidden Hand means performing actions that force the rest of humanity to make important moral choices. He explains further:[/color]



[[color="#2E8B57"]W]e must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose[/color].

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-110.htm

[Guest]

Hidden Hand dialogue [url="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1"]here[/url]

[Guest]

Just finished reading all that. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> Curiously the 'Hidden_Hand' signs off with a 'Namaste'.



somehow get a weird feeling with this one. Whoever it is, a master of his game.