In your eagerness to attack my ideas, you've twisted everything out of context. Learn to read properly before responding.
While it's true that there should be no racism, that's obviously never going to happen. Billions of people won't change all at once, you're living atop an ivory tower if you think otherwise. Racism is here to stay, it's a fact of life, it will never go away. In view of this fact, your solution is to live the life of a dreamer, imagining that some day there will be no racism, all the while repeating stupid old cliches such as "racism is wrong" and all the rest.
Yes, it's wrong, who's denying that? Despite knowing it's wrong, people want to be racist, so there goes your idea of a world without racism. So what are you gonna do about it? Cry and complain, as you've been doing now. Or give these people the taste of their own medicine, doing which we can be safe and secure, and live with some dignity?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Put simply, rather than say foolish things like, "There should be no racism, racism is evil," and other such old, hackneyed phrases, our attitude should be: Let there be racism, let the Aussies be racist, let the world be racist. We'll be racists too, and give them a taste of their own medicine.
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This must be a joke. A particularly unfunny one.
It's like saying "if they're doing drugs, we'll do it too. That'll teach 'em (how???)" Or: "if they behave like nazis, we'll show them by nazying back at them." Wah? blink.gif
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Your idea that we should have an army is a joke, a particularly unfunny one. It's like saying, "if terrorists are acting like nazis, our soldiers must show them by nazying back at them." Wah?
Killing is a debilitating mental disease. All people, especially our soldiers, must be free from it, which means no terrorist should be harmed. After all, we can't stoop to their level, riiiiight? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->let the world be racist
Can't be serious. That's an ultra-nihilist statement. Why would anyone ever wish for that. It'd be kinder to humanity if you wished a meteor to bang into the planet and end all life. (Am not encouraging such fancies by the way)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Evidently, you can't understand things in a proper context, and this response is a perfect instance. If a solider says, "let there be war," it doesn't mean he's advocating war. It simply means he's confident of facing it, no solider is gonna say, "I hate war, I wish we lived in a peaceful world" and so on, EVEN IF HE DID BELIEVE in a peaceful world. Likewise, if one says let there be racism, it doesn't mean he's advocating racism. He's rather facing up to the fact that the world is racist, and he's ready to face the challenge nevertheless. It's just a show of strength, not a preference. But you've twisted it to make it appear as if I prefer a racist world. Like I said earlier, learn to read properly before responding.
03-06-2008, 02:29 PM (This post was last modified: 03-06-2008, 02:31 PM by Husky.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Cry and complain, as you've been doing now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's obviously about someone else. Skip.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you've twisted everything out of context. Learn to read properly before responding.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No, you're the one who's twisted my words. Where did I ever say we <i>will</i> eradicate racism? Perhaps it <i>might</i> be eradicated someday, I don't know. But you have a crystal ball do ya, psychic, to say:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Racism is here to stay, it's a fact of life, it will never go away.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->All I said was it's a disease people can't snap out of and (sane) people should avoid it.
What's that you said about learning to read? How about you try it instead.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->no solider is gonna say, "I hate war, I wish we lived in a peaceful world" and so on, EVEN IF HE DID BELIEVE in a peaceful world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What is this, illogic 101? That and the rest of the para don't make sense...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Your idea that we should have an army is a joke, a particularly unfunny one.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Huh? What are you talking about?
We already have an army in India.
But I did not post any ideas about needing to have an army. Again, your sermon to me on "learning to read" applies to you. In fact, the first person between us to mention the word 'army' here is you (the Salvation Army was a different topic). I don't get this monologue you're having.
That's it. I'm going to end my participation in this 'self-sustaining chat' or whatever it is you're doing, on the totally reasonable grounds that you are not making any sense.
It's obvious you're incapable of understanding simple English. So I don't want to trouble your brain (assuming it exists) too much. So let's stop here.
03-08-2008, 09:38 AM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2008, 09:46 AM by Husky.)
<!--QuoteBegin-sureshmoorthy+Mar 6 2008, 04:05 PM-->QUOTE(sureshmoorthy @ Mar 6 2008, 04:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky... incapable of understanding simple English. ... your brain (assuming it exists) ...
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That's hilarious. I suddenly got reminded of that loser and his antics. He's probably too busy posting on stormfront with his buddy mitradena posing as oryons.
<!--QuoteBegin-rhytha+Mar 29 2008, 01:24 PM-->QUOTE(rhytha @ Mar 29 2008, 01:24 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Naresh, the cowasjess article is dated April 2007!!!
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Upon mâlife mâboy you are nit-picking already! <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, seriously, as you very rightly state the Article is nearly an year old and I draw your attention to the fact that during this time not one Twirpistani has protested against her-his-its Honour and Dignity being so blatantly Ground into the Dust!!
Another point is that in the last one year the Twirpistanis have been busy âprocreatingâ and as such the number would now be around 175 Million Nanga-Bhookhas if not 180 Million Nanga-Bhookhas!!!
Anyone watching the IPL? When did cheerleaders routine, imported one at that, start in Desh? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Yeah, been watching IPL games. It's great entertainment - batsmen swinging at every ball, mixed/international teams, celebrities in stands (where else can you see Rahul Gandhi visiting Harijan basti in day and at night taking prime spot next to Shahrukh at Eden Gardens), night cricket, cheerleaders, flurry of boundaries and sixes etc..
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It's nothing more than all skin you see these days in Bollywood flicks. Some states have taking action against the clothing (or the lack of).
The camera angle is pretty pathetic - looks like some amateur pervert's been handed a camera.
<b>Pakistan will be looking to extend their winning run and secure a place in the final of the tri-series when they come up against India on Tuesday.</b>
Shoaib Malikâs side outclassed Bangladesh in the opening match on Sunday, but the bigger test will come against Mahendra Singh Dhoniâs men.
India have not played a one-day international since the 2-0 series victory over Australia early this year with the Indian Premier League taking centre stage in between.
Indeed, Indiaâs lack of competition in the one-day game could well be in Pakistanâs favour.
Coach Gary Kirsten, on his first assignment with the Indian team, has urged his players to put the Twenty20 version of the game behind them and focus on the one-day format.
âWe have worked hard in the last couple of days to ensure a smooth transition to the one-day game,â said Kirsten.
âWe have given considerable thought to our strategy. Obviously our gameplan has to be suited for the 50-over game. It is very different from the IPL.â
With the exception of Virender Sehwag, who is suffering with flu, there were no injuries reported.
India were greeted by wet weather on their arrival and were forced to practice indoors due to rain on Sunday.
They have retained almost the same team which toured Australia, the notable exception being Sachin Tendulkar, who pulled out due to a groin injury.
The balance, however, looks good.
Indiaâs batting is in good hands with the likes of Gautam Gambhir, Rohit Sharma, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, and Dhoni himself showing fine form in the IPL.
The bowling department, although a little short on experience, could still do damage. Irfan Pathan and RP Singh have proved devastating in the past and Ishant Sharmaâs pace and bounce could be a handful.
Bangladeshâs Abdur Razzaq and Alok Kapali and Pakistanâs Shahid Afridi showed spin would play a huge role, but India seem lacking in that respect.
Piyush Chawla, 19, leads Indiaâs spin attack in the absence of Harbhajan Singh, who is currently serving a five-match ban.
Left-arm spinner Pragyan Ojah, who caught the eye of selectors with a fine showing in the IPL for Deccan Chargers, is the other full-time spinner in the ranks.
Pakistanâs last defeat was against India in Gwalior in November 2007.
Since then, they have run up a string of consecutive victories. Sundayâs 70-run win was their sixth in a row against Bangladesh and their 12th overall.
Coach Geoff Lawson was hoping his team would make it a lucky 13.
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âHaving said that, we donât want to make this a must-win situation and put ourselves under pressure.â
Salman Butt and Mohammad Yousuf showed fine form with the bat for Pakistan on Sunday, cracking half-centuries in difficult conditions.
The bowling, however, is in need of much improvement.
Umar Gul, unlike his new-ball partner Sohail Tanvir, was left off the hook despite a wayward early spell. His seven overs came at the expense of 28 runs. Tanvir, leading wicket-taker in the IPL, was more profligate, his eight overs costing 41 runs.
Wahab Riaz, 22, playing only his third one-day international, was the pick of the seamers with a three-wicket haul.
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Tsk, tsk, India won by 140 runs
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11-15-2008, 11:18 PM (This post was last modified: 11-15-2008, 11:19 PM by Bodhi.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Australia opener Matthew Hayden on Wednesday termed India as a "third world" country following their humiliating 0-2 loss in the Test series.
"Often we find ourselves waiting with hands on hips for someone to face up or someone on the sight board to move away or some of those little frustrations happening with third world countries," Hayden was quoted as saying by Australian newspaper The Daily Telegraph.
Interestingly, the Aussie left-hander had no complaints when he played in the Indian Premier League earlier this year after he was bought by the Chennai Super Kings for a whopping US $ 3,75,000.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Matthew Hayden's comment about India being a "third world" country came in for a scathing attack from former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram who said the Australians have a habit of bad-mouthing their opponents whenever they lose.
Akram said the Aussies were "sore losers" and that Hayden should have known that India was now hundred years ahead of Australia [Images] "which is no more than a village."
"India is a superpower now; it is a hundred years ahead of Australia, which is no more than a village, as compared to India. You don't blame sightscreens for poor over rates." Akram said.
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Hi IPL team-mate Dhoni from 'third world' country was paid $1.5 million. Chew on that Hayden <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Akram's correct, not only are these guys sore losers but really ingrates.
<b>It was over before the thousands of fans at the Gaddafi Stadium could blink. Sri Lanka inflicted one of the biggest annihilations in one-day internationals and trampled over Pakistan to post a 234-run win and take the series 2-1. It was the hosts' largest margin of defeat in ODIs: they were dismissed for 75 in reply to Sri Lanka's 309.</b>
Sri Lanka's struggles against weak sides in recent months seemed a distant memory after the rout. The victory brought back memories of the time their bowlers dismantled India for 54 at Sharjah in 2004, after the batsmen had posted 299. They were not favourites to win this series, primarily due to an out-of-form top order, but the batsmen collectively shrugged off their poor form. Tillakaratne Dilshan set it up with a mature 137, Jayasuriya contributed 45, and Sangakkara made 50.
However, it was the speed at which the new-ball attack scythed through Pakistan that startled. Kulasekara and Thushara used swing and seam movement to make up for the lack of express-pace and proved too difficult to handle for Pakistan's batsmen. Six Pakistan wickets fell before the tenth over, putting an end to the contest.
The conditions were predicted to favour the fast bowlers at the start of play but they got deadlier when Sri Lanka began bowling under lights. Thushara struck in the second over, trapping make-shift opener Younis Khan lbw, before Kulasekara found Salman Butt's edge to hand him a first-ball duck. It got worse for Pakistan when Kamran Akmal was caught in front by a Thushara delivery which cut in, skidded, and hit him low on the pads. The inspired bowling was backed up by superb fielding: Farveez Maharoof pulled off a blinder at short wicket, intercepting a full-blooded pull from Khurram Manzoor.
Even Misbah-ul-Haq had no answers to a delivery from Thushara and he edged to the wicketkeeper. Shahid Afridi fell four balls later, shouldering arms to a delivery that jagged back and had his off-stump flattened. Sections of the crowd that had cheered his entrance moments before began to leave.
Umar Gul walked in and began to time the ball through the gaps on the off side like a genuine batsman while Shoaib Malik stood helpless at the other end. Pakistan were 22 for 6 with no hope of recovery. The spinners wrapped up the tail and Muttiah Muralitharan picked up the final wicket, bowling Sohail Khan, to become the second bowler after Wasim Akram to take 500 ODI wickets. Pakistan's total of 75 was their lowest at home.
It spectacular nature of Pakistan's collapse, however, should not overshadow Dilshan's outstanding contribution earlier in the day. Sri Lanka continued their experiment of opening with him and Dilshan battled through overcast conditions to compile his career-best score. He was circumspect initially against the fast bowlers and was dropped on 1 by Salman Butt at backward point before realizing that a grafting approach was the need of the day.
He paddled and nudged, occasionally playing the fierce cut, and only after his hundred - his second in ODIs - did he open up. He slammed length deliveries and made room to carve the fuller ones over the off side. Pakistan's spinners gave him width and they paid for it.
Sri Lanka's innings was built on partnerships and each one took the game further away from Pakistan. Malik pushed the field back, opening up gaps in the outfield, and allowed the batsmen to progress. Steadily, Sri Lanka built towards the target Mahela Jayawardene had aimed for before the start of the game.
The contributions from Sangakkara and Thilina Kandamby were significant as well. Sangakkara swept the spinners and tapped the ball into gaps on the off side to take singles. His approach brought back memories of Arjuna Ranatunga and his 104-run partnership with Dilshan came at a run-a-ball. Sangakkara and Dilshan ran swiftly between the wickets but a moment of confusion over a risky single resulted in Sangakkara's wicket.
Dilshan, however, did not let the setback affect him and he added 57 more with Kandamby. His century was his second important contribution of the series, after the 76 in the second ODI in Karachi, and he was adjudged Man of the Series for scoring 255 runs in the three matches.
It appears to be cricket season with India performing quite well against Australia. At this juncture, it would be befitting if one were to go back to scholarly history to understand the truly ancient roots of this great sport.
Some time ago Nitin Pai alerted us by email to a report in the Times of India.
Terian notes that in the Armenian Gospel of the Infancy, translated into Armenian in the 6th century from a much older lost Syriac original, a passage tells of Jesus playing what may well be the precursor of cricket, with a club and ball.
Terian, who discovered the manuscript more than a decade ago at the Saint James Armenian Monastery in the Old City of Jerusalem, says he has now identified the same passage in a couple of other manuscripts of the same gospel of which some 40 copies exist in various archival collections in Europe and the Middle East, including the oldest copy now in Yerevan, the capital of the Armenian Republic.
I too have come across many scholarly works mentioning some form of âCricketâ being played in the middle-east as early as the 5th Century BCE. One notable treatise being that by Dr Yippi Schlein of Vanderbater University. Since its publication in early 1997 I have met Dr Schlein twice and have had the good fortune to discuss this with him.
Dr Schlein mentions a quaint Bar Mitzvah ritual where the young boy is given a thin flexible reed and made to stand in front of three stone pillars. 5 other boys are each given 6 rocks to hurl at the pillars. The task for the Bar is to defend the 3 stone pillars with the reed. This ritual is supposed to teach the young man that it is well neigh impossible to do so unless one were to physically stand in the way of the pillars, which would entail being stoned. This may well have evolved into the Haj ritual of stoning the devil, and the Biblical parable where Jesus shames those trying to stone the prostitute.
According to Dr Schlein, this practice died out by the later Roman times itself. Since he mentioned this to me way back in the year 2000 at the ACISTI conference in Tehran, I have not been able to spend too much time researching this, but have been able to collect some data which I have still not completely collated.
Of significance is one particularly remarkable piece of Archaeological evidence. This is yet to be fully studied and I have been in close contact with Dr Ahmed Kayyuosti of Kandahar who is working on a full-fledged paper which is to be published soon. As recently as the year 2006, Afghan Archaeologists digging near Bamiyan found a Greek/Armenian Ashokan inscription which also mentions this âsportâ. The Hebrew name for it was Tâost Kirzah, in Sanskrit it was called Thesta Krishkatam (Tettha Kriccum in Pali).
But instead of the reed, and the three pillars, there is a mention of young buddhist monks-in-training running continuously for five days between two sets of wooden spikes separated by a distance of 44 angas. The object of this ritual was to run as few times as possible between the two spikes until an elderly monk made a sign of a huge square on the ground (the Thalavischa Ripla Yantra), and everyone stopped and looked up at the hills overlooking the monastery. If a particular star (most probably the red giant 15Y Theta Pleiades) was visible over the ridge, then the young trainee was to stop and return to the Vihara, otherwise, he should continue running. The âgameâ was supposed to teach the boys about the ways to escape rebirth (one of the spikes represented birth and the other, death). There is an anecdotal mention of a monk named Rahula from the Dakshina Desha who is reputed to have âattained nirvanaâ within 5 âlife cyclesâ every time he ran.
It appears that with the advent of later mystic Buddhist branches such as Tibetan and Theravada Buddhism, Thetta Kriccum was significantly shortened from the original 5 days to half a day or so. There also seems to have been an ideological shift. While ancient Buddhism seemed to allow for âno-resultâ in a game, the later forms enforced a result in the game where there was utmost pressure on the Buddhist monks to either attain Nirvana or renounce the faith. Like all manmade artefacts, this sport too seems to have had its life-cycle complete when it is disappeared from popularity and was later revived in England in the form of Test Cricket.
It is quite possible that Marco Polo was the first European to come across the game as a variant could well have been played by the Central-Asian nomadic peoples. How it reached England and became the modern game as we know will be the subject of an entirely new study.
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