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Christian subversion and missionary activities -2
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 23 2007, 08:47 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 23 2007, 08:47 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Kumar+Mar 22 2007, 07:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kumar @ Mar 22 2007, 07:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->When spelling their sacred figures or symbols I use lower case. Example: christianity, jesus, god, bible, koran

If that is what you want, then first step is to call the religion of Christians as Christian<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>ism</b></span>, just like they have named the faith of Bauddha Buddhism, of Hindus Hinduism, of Sikhs Sikhism, of Jains Jainism..., Judaism, Taoism, Shintoism...even Mohammedanism....

<span style='color:red'> So, start by STOPPING to call that religion as christianITY, and calling it what it really is - </span> <span style='color:red'>christianism</span>.


Thank you!

You gave me a new psy-op arrow against these cunning followers of christianism.
Bodhi, it is very true that the religion was called christianism by the early fathers of the church. You had already shown that in another thread.

But I hope you don't mind if I also use christoterrorism - or christoislamism or christoislamiterrorism or whatever. These religions are terrorist, so I feel it is appropriate to indicate that in the name itself.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->By western religions, I meant Islam, Christianity and Judaism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I have 0 problems with Judaism. They are not missionary and the only Jewish people I know have never tried to convert me or threaten me with hell for my 'idolatrous polytheism'. And they are super-understanding of the terrorism India faces (and knew more than I did on this matter). Also they knew about and dissed AIT.
Them's as do all that, I call 'em friends <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Christoislamism is an Abrahamic heresy. It's not Judaism's fault that it accidentally gave rise to such scary religions. It doesn't deserve to be lumped together with factually-genocidal religions.

You are right about Judaism. Jewish people are nice people but I think I myself have fallen victim to the media psy-op. Media constantly uses this phrase “Judeo-christian”. It seems like it is unfair for followers of christianism to lump great religion of Judaism with christianism. I think Jewish folks should stand out and protest this. Or else, many more people like myself may associate Judaism with christianism.

I think subtle approach is more effective. It attacks people's subliminal mind. This is what they have done to us Easterners.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Kumar+Mar 23 2007, 08:33 AM-->QUOTE(Kumar @ Mar 23 2007, 08:33 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Husky,

By western religions, I meant islam, christianism and judaism.

Added Later:

christianism is not that far behind islam when it comes to terrorism. Thanks for the links about S Korea. I was talking to a Buddhist couple from S Korea about 10 years ago. They told me even though S Korea is touted as a christian nation, in reality, there are significant number of Buddhists in S Korea. But because christians got funding from Western countries, they were able to terrorize and project power over Buddhists, who had no support from outside. Now, christians in S Korea control the entire country. They do not need any foreign help. Money is the main weapon of christianism.[right][snapback]66014[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->According to one S Korean, the christians are at 20%. The 20% christians control the 80% non-christian populace of S Korea. It's because they have stolen into government, practically cleansed the police and army of the followers of Korean Religion and the Buddhists. And of course, they have been pushing out Buddhist and other schools, taking over media, vandalising Buddhist media outlets and more. Sneaky terrorists is what christos are, it's the same in all non-christian countries.

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I think subtle approach is more effective. It attacks people's subliminal mind. This is what they have done to us Easterners.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's right, but don't worry, I was mainly talking about IF when writing that I'd be using christoterrorism, and similar.

Isms are what they have done to European religions too: paganism, heathenism, odinism, whats-a-nism, for the most part.

But what are the N and S native American Religions called? What is Australian Aboriginal religion called (I think Dreamtime is a state in the Aboriginal spiritual system, not the name of it)? Or Maori religion?
You don't know, well I don't either. That's how complete christocontrol is. We are not even given words to refer to them in English. (At least, even if the words existed, they are not at all popularly known. Christos have made sure of that.)
If our religions are undermined, others are ignored like they never existed! Hateful, total domination. At least we now know that African religion is called IFA.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 23 2007, 12:39 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 23 2007, 12:39 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to one S Korean, the christians are at 20%. The 20% christians control the 80% non-christian populace of S Korea. It's because they have stolen into government, practically cleansed the police and army of the followers of Korean Religion and the Buddhists. And of course, they have been pushing out Buddhist and other schools, taking over media, vandalising Buddhist media outlets and more. Sneaky terrorists is what christos are, it's the same in all non-christian countries.


Depending on the source, the percent of christians in south korea range from 22% to 26% (CIA factbook). But I suspect the percent is higher in south korea than cited in many of these sources - like in India, where the official statistics on christian population are most probably underestimates of the actual size of the community. First, the official statistics on christian population in India are based on 2001 census. There has been in the last couple of years an explosion of conversions throughout India, which will only be reflected in the next census. Second, there is a tendency among Indian christians, especially among more recent converts as well as among many evangelists, particularly in the southern states, to chamoflage their christian identity. Thus, no one knows the actual size of the christian population in India. The same could be true for south korea and many other east- and south-east asian countries.

<!--QuoteBegin-sankara+Mar 23 2007, 03:25 PM-->QUOTE(sankara @ Mar 23 2007, 03:25 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->God-fearing villagers snub satanic bar codes

Moscow: A hundred residents of a Russian village have refused to switch to new passports because they believe the documents' bar codes contain satanic symbols.
"We believe these new passports are sinful," Valentina Yepifanova, an elderly resident of the village Bogolyubovo, told Rossiya television as she clutched an old, tattered passport she said she wanted to keep.

"They have these bar codes and people say they contain three sixes. We are against that."

Some residents of Bogolyubovo, which means ‘God-loving’ in Russian, have also stopped collecting their pensions at the local post office because the payment slips also have bar codes that might contain the mark of the devil.



From one 'ism' to another, the Russian society seems to rock between irrationality.

20% christian and 80% Buddhist population demography in S Korea sounds about right. I have learnt from Buddishts in S Korea that early conversion in S Korea took place under steady influx of money from USA. These foreign christian missionaries created a class of wealthy S Koreans. This wealthy elite is in control of S Korea today.

This is what they are trying to do in India as well. I have heard several unfortunate comments made towards poverty of Hindus by christian Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>RBI plagiarises a stylized cross coin found in the fields of Norfolk </b>
Mirrored at: http://hinduthought.googlepages.com/crossoncoin.doc
Thanks to Puneet Goel for this brilliant piece of research work. RBI mintmaster has not only plagiarized the coin motif of cross but also the wording 'stylised' to explain the cross in fraudulent terms. The mintmaster and the Govt. of India officials who approved the coin design and issue deserve to be sacked after a CBI inquiry.


While RBI says it is stylised representation of "Unity in Diversity", A similar looking ancient brit coin is referred to as stylized cross on the site http://tinyurl.com/2ujrz4 -- please see the third coin from the top. See picture enlarged at http://tinyurl.com/2td29d

It seems RBI was not content with just copying the pattern, it copied some terminology too.

Regards, Puneet Goel
international numerals. The reverse face of the coin shows stylised representation of "Unity in Diversity" a defining characteristic of our country. The symbol shall be seen as four heads sharing a common body. It shall be thought of as people from all four parts of the country coming together under one banner and identifying with one nation. The visual code helps the user connect the visual with an individual denomination, which makes the process of identification quicker.

See the plagiarised two-rupee coin at http://hinduthought.googlepages.com/two-rupeecoins.jpg
An Open Letter to a Converted Christian
3/24/2007 7:34:55 PM B.Subramaniam GP.Srinivasan


This is in response to a letter from Mr.Srinath, sent to a Tamil religious monthly, Panchajanyam, being published from Srirangam.

Srinath claims, though he was born as Hindu, a Vadakalai iyengar,whose origins were, Srirangam.

He confesses, he has been under the spell of missionaries, and would like to convert to Christianity. In his long letter to the editor, running into three pages, in Tamil, he has expressed his displeasure against Hindus and Hinduism, for its caste practices. He claims that Christianity and Islam do not have these “evil practices", and hence better religions. He asks”why there are so many Gods in Hinduism"? and has borrowed all the missionary criticism of Hinduism. He himself has no knowledge of Hinduism and does not know the abc of Hinduism. Toward the end of his rambling that turns into a political assault. He asserts that Hinduism will be wiped out by Christianity and Islam.He suggests,the editor of Panchajanyam should "read Bible' and reply to him. Our purpose, is to educate Hindus first, hence this detailed writeup.We are not interested in educating Christians. Hindus themselves do not know their wealth of their heritage is the pitiable state of affairs. Hence this reply.


B.Subramaniam GP.Srinivasan


Dear Mr.Srinath,


This is with reference to your letter to PANCHAJANYAM. I feel very sorry for the state of despair shown by you in your letter. I pray the ubiquitous Almighty to remove all the problems that you are facing.

Now the following points to clear your doubts :

We all (including you) follow Sanaathana Dharma. i.e living structure which can be followed by all. Before the advent of religions generated in the west viz. Christianity and Islam, our religion was followed by all on the earth with slight variations in different sects. Our place (which you call India), was called as Bhaarath Varsha – a tribute to a sage Bharath Muni.

Monotheism and Polytheism

We also have a single God (Almighty) – Brahman. It is neither HE (as in case of Christianity or Islam) or SHE. (In Christianity & Islam,the male domination is very prevalent, but not in our religion). It is just IT. IT is shape less, size less, genderless and beyond normal human comprehension. Though IT (Almighty) has formed several dimensions, IT is in zero dimension.

Siva purana says the Almighty has formed 64 dimensions. And a jeevaatmaa has to start its journey from 64 th dimension, and on better performance will be elevated to next lower dimension. We in 3 dimension will be elevated to 2 dimension on doing good physical deeds or thrown down to 4 dimension for doing bad deeds. The 2 dimension is of Swarga (Heaven) and 4 dimension – Naraga (Hell). 1 dimension is the place of Gods and Demigods whereas 0 dimension is the place of Almighty.

In KathaUpanishad, the Almighty is referred to as Anoraniaan, Mahathomahiyaan-
Smaller than an atom but bigger than the biggest. The Almighty made this universe out of its own thoughts and is present in every place and in every living organism and hence called Sarvaantharyami (Omnipresent, Ubiquitous).

Just like an office having different departments, IT manifests itself into three functionaries viz. Brahma – God of Generation, Vishnu – God of Organizing and Shiva – God of Destruction. (Para Brahman Almighty) as GOD –Generator, Organizer and Destroyer. Hence irrespective of the religion, the maker is the same. Since we need to have staff to perform duties in every department, we have 33 Crore Devas who are there to perform individual duties, governed by Indra. Again in Katha Upanishad, Yama says that he is in the post of Yama due to performing a special type of Yagna called Nachiketha Yagna. Once the effect of the good deed is over, he will again thrown in to normal birth and death cycle. Hence Yama, Agni, Varuna, Vaayu, Indra are only posts and any one can be elevated to that level temporarily. On completion of their period they will again be put in to normal birth and death cycle.

Facts about Caste System

Around estimated 16000 thousand years ago, Swaayambu who ruled before the present Vaivaswatha Manu, created class among the mass for ease in civilization structure.

Brahmin : Brahmasya Gyaajuhu Braamanaha – The one knows or tries to know the Brahman is a Brahmin, he can engage in religious and teaching matters.

Kshaya Athra Veeryaha : Kshathriyaha – The one who has limitless body and mind power is Kshathriya – He can guard the kingdom and the people of the kingdom from enemies

Vishyasya Sooryaha : Vaishyaha – The one is bright like sun in finance matter of the society is a Vaishya;

Sha –Adhra : Shoodrha – One who can not be categorised in the first three classes belongs to this class.

During Shukla Yajuveda period i.e during Rama's period, i.e around 12000 years ago, in a single family, persons interested in spending more time in matters pertaining to Almighty will become a Brahmin, able bodied persons who were interested in physical fights became Kshathriyas; persons who liked to get involved in business became Vaishyas and who did not have any such above cited capabilities became Shoodras doing minial works in the society. Thus the classes were only on the basis of ability and profession and not on the basis of birth.

This went on for several thousand years, but boys born to a Brahmin father liked to spend their time in matters pertaining to Almighty like their fathers, boys born to Kshthriya father liked to get themselves involved in fighting and using arms like their fathers, boys born to Vaishyaas liked to get themselves involved in financial or business matters like their fathers and boys born to Shoodhra father liked themselves to be involved in doing physical works like their fathers. Thus a classification which was started on the basis of ability slowly changed in to classification on the basis of birth.

Hence the Classes were though basically formed on the basis of ability later changed in to classification on the basis of birth. This is the negative side of the classification.

The positive side is that since father and son belonged to the same working group, improvement in all the fields were visibly noted since father will teach his sons the nuances of work. Hence outcome in all walks of life was beyond compare.

Missionary Propaganda against Brahmins

Merely calling Brahmins as root cause for the deprived state of the 4th Class – is ridiculous. Brahmins themselves were only few in number and lived due to the generosity of the ruling class Kshathriyaas and business class Vaishyaas. Kshathriyaas fought wars and Protected. Traders amassed wealth due to their inherent tendency to do business.Therewere not many Brahmins who were rich and had landed property. Moreover Brahmins had the inherent tendency to help the poor.

The root cause of the deprivation of the all the classes were due to 1300 years of Invasions and Foreign rule imposed on Indians. In fact there was hardly any deprivation at all in the first place. There was a prosperous and Rich Society, that was perhaps rich even upto 1800 .The combined effects of Islamic invasions and Christian British resulted in the deprivation of entire Bharat. People were well off and productive. Food, Medicine, Water and Education were never sold in Pre British Times.You cannot offer the manager and peon of the company the same salary and other benefits. The Manager invariably gets better paid than the peon. This can not be attributed as deprivation by the Manager. Similarly the living conditions invariably differed between the 4 classes.

Compare it Vatican- all the top cardinals are Italian born Roman catholics, who run the show.It may surprisisng to many that the dalit christians feel cheated by the Church. They have conducted protest meet in New Delhi in 1999 when the Pope John Paul II came to India. The missionary of Charities of Theresa bojeaux of Calcutta, is run by Sister Nirmala, who happend to be Nepali Brahmin. The Vatican church has declared the abused varnaashrama, as recognised divisions, by council of diamper (udayamperroor). Though the Constitution of India by law has made untouchability, an offence, within the Hindu system, these divisions are still retained by the Roman Catholic order, in India.

The varnaashrama is based on human types .What is called personality traits, and suitability for occupation. Even in modern organisations these four types can be found. Even in NASA or Microsoft, the hierarchy is visible. There the board and the Chairman, followed by Top Management, next to are Management staff, and wokers. Even Biill Gates organisation employees are divided into categories, that will resemble the old hindu order. There are security guards even in Vatican and there are janitor whose job is clean the toilet of the Pope.

During the British rule, since Brahmins were picked up and sought after by the British to serve as translators in English, the British translated Sanskrit literature into European languages. Brahmins were offered jobs in British Indian Government. The combined fiscal policy, dismantling of the existing agararian system, trade,commerce, and handicrafts resulted in tremendous poverty.Longlasting famines resulted as result of these colonial policies by military adminstrators.

India was exporting upto 30 percent of its manufactured goods even in 1800.This made the Christian British jealous, and they robbed the country. Missionaries invaded the country and established bible schools. On the one hand they destroyed the existing system. "They virutually broke the back , and made the people crippled, and provided balm with the help of missionaries, who followed the invaders. Adding insult to injury they put the blame on Hinduism, Hindu Culture and blamed Brahmins for all
these. This was taught adnauseum in all missionary publications, and taught by every school and college. Every school going child was taught to hate their ancestors and become ashamed of its culture and heritage. Craftily the British further augumented this divison by creating, developing, supporting,institutions like the Justice party and made people of other castes go against Brahmins, that gave rise to Dravidar Kazhagam in Tamilnadu, by the famous Kannadiga E.V.Ramasamy Naickar (Periyaar).Hence Brahmins were easily made scapegoats as root cause for the deprivation of the 4th class. The missionaries were trying to develop Brahmin hatred in India, as they had done to Jews in West, that culminated in the World War II, where millions of Jews and others were slaughtered. You must know that Hitler himself was a Roman catholic, and his name has not been removed, from the Church. The Vatican Church tacitly encouraged Hitler.

Casteism in Chistianity

In fact it has been openly seen in converted Christians that the class and subclass of their Hindu generation in the past is taken into consideration before finalizing marriages. A naadaar Christian will not have any nuptial relation with a mudaliaar Christian and vice versa. Similarly classifications do exist in Christianity and Islam also. Roman Catholic,Protestants, Catholic Syrians, Pentacoste, Jehovaa's Witnesses do not even see eye to eye with each other and go only in their way. A marriage between RC Christian and Protestant is next to impossible in reality. Each of them does not even consider the other sect as part of Christianity at all in the first place. We know how Martin Luther fought for forming the Protestant Lutheran church and he butchered thousands of people to form Lutheran church. Read history. Do not waste your time in reading the foolish, useless bible. There are many variants of bible and each say that it was the first to be released. No word in the bible belongs to Jesus Christ. The Bible and Christianity itself came into existence only after 300 years of Christ's crucifixion. In places like Bangalore there is the language problems between nativa kannadigas, who want the mass only to be conducted in Kannada, and Tamilians should their mass seperately.

Christmas- A Festival based on Lie

The birth date of Jesus as 25th December does not exist in any form of bible. Read real history. In fact there was Mithra civilization (sun worshippers and hence a sect of Sanaathana Dharma) which existed in the middle east at the time of Jesus's existence. They had the practice of starting their year from Winter solstice which falls on 25
thDecember. Christians took the cue from them and arranged the birth date of Christ as 25th December and then started their new year from 6 days later. This was improved by Pope Gregory and hence we call English calendar as Gregorian calendar.

Whereas we people of Sanaathana Dharma start our new year from Vernal Equinox i.e from the day when sun is parallel to the equator and rising upwards which falls on 14th April. Read real history.

Divisions in Islam

Similarly Muslim Sunnis and Shiaas do not see eye to eye with each other and the battle is going on for several hundred years after the demise of Mohammed (Prophet?). A marriage between a Sunni boy and Shiaa girl in next to impossible. The Iran – Iraq war is a classic example of Shiaa – Sunni fight. It is unending. Mohammed only prophesied hatred among his own people and he ordered that all non muslims (kafirs) should be slaughtered, and they do not have the right to live. Read real history. Do not read Koran. It only preaches hatred.

Beauty of Sanathana Dharma

There is full fledged philosophy in Sanaathana Dharma which is absolutely lacking in Islam & Christianity. We call it Thathvam : Thath and Thvam – You. i.e. you are IT, and IT is invariably you.

Only Sanaathana Dharma equates the maker Paramaathmaa (Almighty) with the made Jeevaathmaa. That is that essence of Sanaathana Dharma. The maker itself is running as a deer and is hunting as a tiger. The hunter and hunted and the process of hunting are the same Almighty. This is called Adhvaitham.

In Naaraayana Suktham it says

'thasyaahaa shikhaayaa madhye paramaathmaa vyavasthithaha;

sa-bhrmma, sa-shiva, sa-hari, sa-indra, sa-akshara, paramaswaraat'

At the peak of the real heart (at the solar plexus) of each person, exists the paramaathmaa, IT is Brahma, IT is Shiva, IT is Hari, IT is Indra, IT is undivisible Supreme Almighty.

Maandukya Upanishad says 'Sarvam Hyethath Brahma, Ayamaathmaa Brahma' -

All we perceive are Brahman,My Athman (Soul) is also Brahman.

Bharath’s Contributions

We were the forebears in many fields of science and other departments. We had great mathematicians and we donated the concept of zero to the world.

We have developed Vaanashaasthra – Astronomy which was unequalled in the world at that time, and had many well known astronomers like Bhaskara, Aryabhatta. We were the first to educate the world that we have seven planets viz. Mercury – Bhudan, Venus – Sukran, Earth – Bhoomi, Mars - Ankaarakan, Jupitor – Guru and Saturn – Sani which are rotating around the sun in the same plane in the above cited order. (Uranus, Neptune & Pluto were known only after the invention of telescope). We were also the first to come out with two imaginary planets – Chaayaa Graham – Rahu and Ketu which were formed out of the difference in the orbital plane of moon with respect to earth, and they we responsible for solar and lunar eclipses. We were the first to develop astronomy as well as astrology thus trying to find out the future.

We had very highly developed Yuddha Shaasthra – The rules pertaining to wars and battles. It says a war has to be done on a one man to one man to basis only, and should be fought on a barren land outside the civilization, only by males, from sunrise to sunset. In the wars one should not be attacked by many or one should not get hit on the back. The womenfolk and children were never involved in the wars. The warring groups will fight it out on a pre decided open barren land outside the civilization and the winner of the war will take over the kingdom of the loser in a very smooth manner. Only in the invasions of Muslims and then Christians we found warring on civilizations killing womenfolk and children and muslims were the first to use weapons of mass destruction like guns and mortars from far away place killing hundreds of people. The war by people of Bharath was fought only from sunrise to sunset and on sunset both the warring groups will eat and go to sleep and resume war only the next morning only both the sides are ready. We had a sense of responsibility and reliability in all walks of life which was missing in the muslim and Christian invaders.

We were the first to develop high banking and lending system. In the west banks – banca: bench started very lately. We were of high caliber in business and financial systems.

Jewels like gold and silver and diamonds were discovered by us only and were then taken from us to the west. The importance of jewels were fist discovered by us. We were the first in the world to have a mine at Panna for Diamonds and Kimberly at South Africa came much later.

Gory History of Christianity and Islam

On formation of religions Christianity 2000 years ago,and Islam about 1300 years ago in the Palestine, (both Christianity & Islam have a very bloody history. (Crusades and Jihads)

Christians raised a thousand year war (crusade) and killed lakhs of people and set fire to the famous library of Alexandria so as to destroy the history of west before Jesus Christ. Muslims also had to wage several wars – Prophet Mohammed himself has a very bad history – he was working as a house hold worker in one house, surreptitiously made the mistress of the house Khatija Begum to fall in love with him and was thrown out of the place itself and ran to Madina, where he is said to have heard the message of allah? God, and then gathered an army and invaded Mecca and killed several thousands in the battle.He waged 52 invasions in his life time. Muslims have the shariyat law by which a male can marry 4 females and beget children from them itself clearly Proves that there was a need of men folk for fighting and women were considered only (animals unequal to men) for bearing children. Since there were many battles going on, they had to beget more males. Even today in many muslim families women have to wear bhurka and can not freely talk to men not belonging to their family. Muslim Kings viz. Ghori and Gazni invaded India from West. Then came the Christians in 1600 AD. And since our country is on the other side of Sindu (Indus) river, the westerners started calling us as Hindu and this place as Hindusthan. Muslims may be as you said be the largest number of humans on the earth as a male can cohabit with 4 women and procreate any number of children. Similarly if he wants he can simply say Talak Talak Talak and divorce his wife permanently and get rid of her. Wait and see what happens to Islam and Christianity in the future.

'The wonder that was India'

The history of our Bharath (which you now call as India) was a wonder. Please read 'The wonder that was India' written by Mr.A.L.Basham, an Indologist working in Canberra University. He only calls this wonder existed before the invasion of Muslims and Christians to Bharath.

Foreign Invasion

In those days Bharath which comprised of 56 independent nations was supposed to be the richest place in the earth, and every one thronged to come here. Even Alexander who was the king of Macedonia (now part of Greece) came to this place only in an ambition to plunder but was forced to return as he was totally defeated by Pururavas in a war which was fought at the base of Himalayas. He went back to Macedonia in his late twenties and died there. Mohammad of Gazni, Mohammed of Ghori, Timur Lang (Forefather of Akbar) came only to plunder Bhaarath. Though they could do a little harm, they were forced to return back as they lost in wars with valiant Bhaarath kings. Babar could invade Bhaarath and permanently settle and spread islam here. In early 16 th century, Europians wanted to come to Bhaarath only with an ambition to do business and slowly plunder.

First Christopher Columbus from Spain left Europe with a ship full of warriors. Fortunately for us, he instead of turning left, turned right and reached islands (which we now call carribeans) and saw reddish people there. He thought that he has reached India, and called those people Red Indians and called those islands as Isles of the West Indies. But there was nothing to plunder as they were nomadic aborigin tribe and very uncivilized. Hence he understood his mistake and returned to his home land in dejected state. Within some years one by name Amerigo Carlucci from Spain invaded that place and landed in the mainland. He saw the same red Indian tribe there and butchered them in millions. The spaniards started occupying the place and named the main land in honor of him as America (AMErigo CArlucci). Then the Britishers followed suit and drove the settled Spaniards down south, who went to the continent of South America and butchered and eliminated from the face of earth, three great civilizations the Mayan, the Inca and the Aztec civilizations all of who were sun worshippers and hence were variant sects of Sanaathana Dharma..

The countries in South America viz. Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Peru etc.have people speaking languages of Spanish origin. The original people who belonged to that place the so called Red Indians have become minorities and third rated citizens in their own land. Hence your so called Christians did not win the world by love and amity as you think but butchered people and usurped their land and belongings.

In late 16th century Vasco Da Gama from Portugal left for Bharath in ambition to do business and slowly plunder since Bhaarath was said then seen to be the domain of wealth. He came and landed near Kozhikode and slowly occupied that place by butchering the local inhabitants and occupied the costal place up to Goa. His tribe was very famous for butchering the locals, and they also engaged in converting people forcefully. One of them by name Francis Xavier who was a pirate, has a record of Inquistions; organised killing of Brahmins and molesting their wives. For is such good deeds he was deified as Saint Francis Xavier. Then came the British and formed East India Company and started slowly usurping land in the name of business. As a custom the local kings gave them all help to do business in their kingdoms without knowing their bad intentions. The Britishers slowly usurped land and started infighting among local kings. They would tell a king to invade the territory of a nearby kingdom and support him with their arms. On the loss of the other king, they will kill the losing king and also kill the king whom they originally supported and annex both the kingdoms. This was their practice. Slowly they usurped the whole of Indian subcontinent and became outright rulers of Bhaarath. They also engaged themselves in converting local Hindus by offering a job in British Sarkar. This was their game play. They had Bhaarath in their control for bloody full 350 years and called Bhaarath as the Jewel in the Crown of British kingdom. They plundered Bhaarath right and left and took several hundreds of ship loads of jewels from Bhaarath and only because of their plunder Bhaarath became one of the poor nations in the world.

Perverts or Pastors?

You said about sexual exigencies found in Shankaracharya. Though Nakkeeran (of Dravidar Kazhagam which is anti Brahmin) released such lousy stories, SHankaraachaaryas follow total celibacy and it impossible to even dream of sexual malpractices. Even many of your popes and bishops were said to have illicit sexual experiences in Vatican with the nuns. We do not bother to question them because we are not interested in others' perversions.

Chritianity’s hatred to Jews

The Vatican is said to be the wealthiest place in the world. History says that since judas was the chief cause of jesus's crucifixion, Christians considered Jews (Judas and even jesus was jew) as eliminable. There was unending fight going on between jews and Christians which was Crusade. History says the Hitler (a devout Roman Catholic Christian) started killing jews only at the behest of Vatican and since Jews were thriving in Europe, he killed millions of Jews in gas chambers and usurped their properties and donated to Vatican. The Jews had a religious habit of circumcision, which Muslims copied, and by this only Hitler could pinpoint Jews and butcher them. Thus Vatican became the richest place in the world. Many jews (the famous Albert Einstein was one of them) had to flee to America surreptitiously leaving all their properties in Europe, which were easily annexed by Hitler. This mass destruction of jews became the cause of II World War, and forced the Jews to form their own home land of Israel (Isara El – Abode of god). The then President of U.S.A – Harry Truman (a jew) wanted to drop the atom bomb on Germany, but he was stopped by Britain and France who were America's allies in II World War, since they feared nuclear rainfall on their countries will destroy many people & properties. Hence the 2 atom bombs (little boy and fat man) were dropped in Japan at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. This is the real bloody history of Christianity. Read real history.

Why no to Conversions

Though conversions are rampant in Christianity and Islam, it does not prevail in Sanaathana Dharma. This is because just the way we don't choose our parents, or our children, we can not choose our religion also. We are born the way we are, and the way is given to us by the Almighty. We have no say in that. I may call some one other than my father as father and someone other than my mother as mother. But my body which is made out the blood of my father & mother and the span of 9 months and 9 days I stayed in the womb of my mother can not be altered by me. I genetically resemble my real parents. Similarly I have no right to change my religion.

This is because we people of Sanaathana Dharma believe that the Almighty is the same for everybody, only the way you perceive IT and call IT differs.You can call IT as Eashwara, or God or etc. Kena Upanishad says

Ekam Sath;Viprah Bahudhaa Vadhanthi -Truth is only one; various people call it differently

Hence we do not believe in converting people of other religions to ours and similarly do not believe or like conversion of people of our religion to other religions. We are the only to believe in poorva (past) janma (existence) and next Janma. The birth and death sequence is absent in desert religions. Also they have only heaven and hell where one enjoys or suffers. Only we talk of Moksha – Remerging with the Almighty and ending the birth and death cycle.

Our Dhasaavathaara is the best example. It shows the path of evolution from Mathsya - Aquatic, Koorma – Amphibian, Varaha – small earth dwelling animal (pig), Narasimha – Lion – Man combination, Vaamana, Raama & Krishna – evolution in humans, and final Kalki – The begetter of pralaya and restarter of new evolution cycle. This reflects the biological findings also.

Your problems in your life are not because of religion. They should be because of your deeds in the previous birth or this birth itself.Please read Tirumoolar's Thirumandiram. It says

Thaane thanakku pagaivanum nattaanum

Thaane thanakku marumaiyum maiyum

Thaane thaan seidha munvinai thuppaanum

Thaane thanakku thalaivanumaame

You are your own enemy and friend, you are your own past and present, you are bearing the fruits of your past deeds, and you are your own master.

For the problems you are facing, sit down and think in a very detached way to get a solution and you will definitely get a solution. Converting to Christianity for money or for permanent solution of the problem is foolish. You may get temporary benefits but not permanent solutions. If that is so all the Christians in the world will be the happiest people on this earth. This is what we can say. Ultimately it is you who should decide. Definitely our religion Sanaathana Dharma will never die and will emerge as the only religion on this earth someday, because the Semitic religions are born out of falsehood and hatred, and hence will soon come to an end. Only our Sanaathana Dharma which teaches about perennial love will exist ad infinitum.


Aezana was ruler of the Axumite Kingdom (c.330 – c.356) located in present-day Eritrea, northern Ethiopia, Yemen, southern Saudi Arabia, northern Somalia, Djibouti, northern Sudan, and southern Egypt

During Ezana's reign a major change in both the Aksumite kingdom and its coinage took place <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>as a result of the change of the official religion to Christianity, one of the first states ever to do so.</span>

With his conversion to Christianity, Ezana began to feature the Cross on his coins, the first time the Christian cross had ever been featured in coinage in the world.

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medieval Britain, Silver Long Cross Penny :
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and Copper Long Cross Penny :
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Post 130:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is in response to a letter from Mr.Srinath, sent to a Tamil religious monthly, Panchajanyam, being published from Srirangam.

Srinath claims, though he was born as Hindu, a Vadakalai iyengar,whose origins were, Srirangam.

He confesses, he has been under the spell of missionaries, and would like to convert to Christianity. In his long letter to the editor, running into three pages, in Tamil, he has expressed his displeasure against Hindus and Hinduism, for its caste practices. He claims that Christianity and Islam do not have these “evil practices", and hence better religions. He asks”why there are so many Gods in Hinduism"? and has borrowed all the missionary criticism of Hinduism. He himself has no knowledge of Hinduism and does not know the abc of Hinduism. Toward the end of his rambling that turns into a political assault. He asserts that Hinduism will be wiped out by Christianity and Islam.He suggests,the editor of Panchajanyam should "read Bible' and reply to him. Our purpose, is to educate Hindus first, hence this detailed writeup.We are not interested in educating Christians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This 'Srinath's' claims to being a Hindu can be dismissed. Bet he's the usual christo. Explains why he would argue about the same old christian drivel would display such profound ignorance/purposeful misunderstanding about Hinduism.
In Korea, christos often pretend they used to be Buddhist monks who then converted to christoism. These liars turn up in Buddhist gatherings and proclaim how they were saved and why Buddhism is satanic and why christoterrrorism is better. Like I said, it's the usual. (See the links to the 'Buddhism under siege in S Korea' timeline a few posts back which gives examples of such typical christo behaviour)

Likewise, from the above excerpt there are lots of signs indicating that the christo 'Srinath' pretending to be a Hindu-wanting-to-convert is just another fraud.

Hindu magazines like Panchajanyam and any others should learn from such experiences and from other countries and not bother publishing such deceptions anymore. The editors probably did so because, being Hindus, they are like most of us who didn't/don't know about the wide variety of methods that christos employ (in other countries and throughout history) to insult other religions whilst often (but not always) advertising for their own at the same time.

That's why Hindus overlook such fraudulent practises, which are one of several ways christos usually attempt to insinuate themselves into the Hindu (or other non-christian) sphere to get access to a Hindu audience to missionize, whilst simultaneously spewing the same old christo lies about Hinduism.

The solution is to not let such garbage into valued publications like Panchajanyam. The time for naivete is over. The editors need to become aware from now on (I don't care anymore what generation the Hindu editors are, our people can no longer afford to be generous to cannibals). They need to start learning about the means christos employ and realise that christos writing letters under Hindu alter-egos is just another easy falsehood the junkies are willing to commit for the glory of their non-existent christ.
Conversion by any means is allowed, encouraged. Violence, lies, fraud, illegal or otherwise unsavory inducement ... anything goes in christoislamism. There is no Dharma at all in the ideology of christoislamiterrorism, that's why.

Hindus should stop fooling themselves by still saying such things as 'christianity/islam is also a beautiful religion - it's only some bad apples who have committed [insert one of the innumerable crimes of these terrorist religions]'.
'Jesus was a great teacher' and 'Mohammed taught his people about God and other good teachings'.

We have to learn that every time we do this, we are condoning the same religions that have genocided the native Americans of N and S America, enslaved and massacred millions upon millions of African people, wiped out Roman and Greek civilisations, violently converted (through partial-genocide) European people, burnt 8 to 9 million women for being women (randomnly labelled 'witches'), brought to extinction numerous Indonesian, Vietnamese and Pacific Island peoples, massacred and undermined Australian Aboriginals, savagely oppressed various Asian countries (from India to Japan). ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/ )
Similarly for islam.

Every time a Hindu ignorantly defends/or speaks well of the christoterrorist religion, we are turning our backs on the defenceless S Korean Buddhists and Korean Religionists whose sacred temples and images of Gods are being destroyed by christos; the hill tribe of Thailand, and the West Papuans and the S American native Americans who are still being terrorised ('evangelised') to the point of extinction. ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview4.htm )
In doing so, we are defending the very religion that is exterminating the Nagas and other Hindu populations of the NE and that is scheming for the destruction of all Hindu Dharma in India as well as outside.

We should educate ourselves about what it is that we are so foolishly, blindly, ignorantly and misguidedly defending and praising. Because even our meager compliments and the extending of our hand in friendship toward the christoterrorist religion is helping it: we are legitimising its allusions to the position of a respectable religion, we are wrongly giving recognition to its pretences of humane values and behaviour. In short, we are defending the indefensible and downright adharma; we are not to blame for the innumerable evils innate to christoislamism, but we are responsible for our ignorance about it and our consequent misplaced regard for it - in this way we continue to indirectly empower christoislamic terrorism and in some (small but not insignificant) way wield influence over its devastating effects on others in the present and future.
Can you write a letter on behalf of a Hindu who sees the past history of Christians

I see no problem in countering hate with hate.

You seem, time and again, to avoid the fundamental question. You see no difference in advocating the rights of the EJ but take offence when similar hatred is hurled back.

So, who dont you answer your own question first.

Here's the list of the EJ assault that GSub put together.

A sincere suggestion. May be if you spent less time disproving the putative tolerance of the hindu faith by finding temples that do not allow hindus to understanding the agenda of the EJ and the dangers it portends to indian (not just hindu) society, you wont be reduced to the kind of apoplectic wondering of "whether india will indeed be threatened by the EJs?"


































<b>Gospel for Asia, a missionary organization in Asia with the goal of
widespread proselytization and church-planting.

A report about Himachal Pradesh (a state in
North India that is predominantly Hindu), includes the following statements: “Most of the people in this state are under the bondage of Satan…Please pray that the Lord may break the stronghold of Satan, which has blinded the eyes of many people.”lx

“A simple, agrarian lifestyle belies the spiritual darkness dominating this
land…and the demonic control that terrorizes and destroys thousands of

Hatred towards other faiths – Gospel For Asia also attacks Buddhism – “Pray for Satan to be bound and hearts to be open to the Good News of Jesus Christ…May our Bible school overflow with those called to reach Tibetan Buddhists.</b>

BTW, does the above meet your exalted criteria of hate speech?

Lest you once again pretend to ignore one simple fact:

It is the agenda and acts of the EJ that have brought about this reaction. The hindu did not simply get up one day and decide to hate the christian EJ. This visceral reaction is to the acts of the EJ themselves.

Here's an earlier post by me in case you still dont get it.

I agree. However the fear being expressed is that this somehow infringes upon the religious rights of other faiths. The expressions of such fears constitute sanctimonious hypocrisy on the part of the naysayers because evangelization itself, in its most fundamental sense, infringes the rights of the targetted religion. That is of course then dubiously swept up under the freedom of religion carpet.

Taking the examples of Jews in India. Jews have had a very long presence in India. Some say from the time of Solomon himself.

Pause to allow myself to be truly amazed.

Jews maintained their own ethnic/religious practices (perhaps incorporating some local ones as well). They remained observant jews. Did not force their religion upon others. In turn, they had complete freedom to practise their religion without fear or persecution. Isn't that amazing. The only land in the world where they could do that for two millenia. And they remained productive citizens of a largely hindu country. At peace with its native religions: Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, and Sikh.

So, the fact that they were minorities and had religious customs (monotheistic) so vastly different from that practiced natively did not imply that they had to abrogate their identity as Jews. And no one is asking christians to do this either. <span style='color:red'>Rather it is christians, from outside and within, who are not satisfied with this generous state of affairs. What they want is to convert all of India (and yes, it includes the remnants of the Jews still in India) to christianism. And therein lies the fundamental source of conflict. </span>
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Lets be clear on one thing: Were it not for the EJs, we would not even be having this discussion right now. This discussion is reactionary, in reaction to the vile assault by by the rapacious wolves (quoting PPII here) EJs upon the the hindu "sheep" as it were</span>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Volume14: Some Documents on Christinaisation of India and Alterations in Strategies, c.1700 - 1900

We address you upon this occasion, entreating you to lend your aid, not as a favour to us, but as your duty to Jesus Christ. This is a matter purely religious, and the general question is of the utmost consequence to Christianity. Is it possible then that good ministers can remain inactive or unconcerned. In such a case, he that is not with Jesus is against him. This business is entirely in your own line; and we trust that you will not allow the cause of your Master to suffer either by your cowardice or sloth. You are put in trust with the Gospel; it is yours to promote its cause in the world, and to attend to the things that belong to the everlasting peace of your fellow creatures. It is yours, in such a cause, to lift up your voice like a trumpet, to cry aloud, and spare not, to shew yourself a faithful watchman on the battlements of Zion.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->23. ROBERT SOUTHEY, KESWICK TO W. WILBERFORCE: JUNE 1813

BOD : MSS Wil d.15, ff 82-3

It is our duty to use every allowable means for weaning the natives from their own false religion ... It is our interest, because every native christian has a common interest with the British Government, and he becomes a faithful subject of it. Native churches therefore are the strongest foothold we can erect.

The work has been begun at Serampore. Carey is no carrier, and his work will last longer than that of the great jesuit, because it is built upon a surer foundation. But without the missionaries government could do nothing I fear that our missionaries without government cannot do much for while the English in India pay no regard to their own religion, the natives will necessarily despise it. A church establishment is the first they need...schools the second in which we should take as much pains for communicating our own language as is (most properly) bestowed in acquiring that of the country. Lastly the converts, whenever it is possible, should be employed both by the state and the individuals, in preference to other persons.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has anybody read this book ?

Google on the book comes up with this review


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->However, Colby and Dennett had heard of a darker side to SIL. Numerous critics had alleged that SIL was the vanguard of the destruction of both the rainforests and their native inhabitants. They had heard from Latin American acquaintances that SIL was, in military fashion, a scouting party that surveyed the Amazonian hinterlands for potential sources of opposition to natural resource exploitation (read cattle ranching, clearcutting and strip mining) among native peoples and that it employed a virulent brand of Christian fundamentalism that relied on linguistics to undermine the social cohesion of aboriginal communities and accelerate their assimilation into Western culture. In addition to all this, numerous articles in the Latin American press accused 511. of being funded by the American intelligence community.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 1976, reporters Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett traveled to Brazil as part of a journalistic team to write stories about the work of Christian missionaries in the Amazon basin. High on Colby and Dennett's list of priorities was to learn about a mysterious missionary organization called the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL). This outfit, also known as the Wycliffe Bible Translators, had gotten kudos from both conservatives and liberals for translating the Bible into hundreds of indigenous languages in Central and South America and helping native peoples cope with the intrusion of Western civilization into their lives.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One more review..


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The recent emergence of the relationship between the mainstream media, elected officials, White conservatives, Black civil rights leaders, a Sudanese opposition group (SPLA/M), and a Christian human rights organization, Christian Solidarity International (CSI), caused us to reflect over a long history of covert relationships between US and foreign intelligence agencies and Christian missionaries. One of the best examples of such was the relationship between the famous Wycliffe Bible Translators and the CIA. The relationship was documented in a book, Thy Will Be Done, written in the 1990s.

According to Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, the association between the intelligence community and Christian missionaries predates the public emergence of the CIA. In Thy Will Be Done, they write of the Wycliffe Bible Translator's (also known as the Summer Institute of Linguistic -SIL) and its founder William Cameron Townsend's (also known as "Cam") association with the intelligence community.

"This was not the first time that SIL had served U.S. government intelligence purposes during the war. In 1942, after discussions in Washington with "some men who are interested in furthering good will between our countries", Cam specifically requested SIL's Mexico City office to solicit reports from "any of our workers who may have observed efforts on the part of anyone to make the Indians think that Americans are not their friends." Cam's directive ended with a message, "Please give my regards to Mr. Lockett in case you should see him in this connection." Thomas Lockett, commercial attaché', was Cam's confidential contact at the embassy after Ambassador Daniels departed in 1941. Lockett carried out intelligence missions for Washington, identifying suspected Nazi sympathizers and their companies for (Adolf) Berle and (Nelson) Rockefeller. SIL was one of his intelligence sources.

"SIL had helped gather anthropological information on the Tarascan Indians that ended up in Nelson Rockefeller's intelligence files. The files contained cross-references to reveal behavioral patterns among Indian peoples in everything from socialization (including aggressive tendencies) and personality traits, drives, emotions, and language structure, to political intrigue, kinship ties, traditional authority, mineral resources, exploitation, and labor relations. Rockefeller called these data the Strategic Index of Latin America."

While the majority of SIL or the Wycliffe Bible translators work with the intelligence agencies took place in Latin America they also worked hand in hand with the CIA in Asia,

"As souls ascended to heaven in the flight against Satan, many clergy became direct collaborators with the CIA. One member of the Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) was proud of this collaboration. William Carlsen, a missionary in northeastern Thailand, considered it " a privilege to share information with responsible agencies of the government where they seek us out." Carlsen gave an eight-hour briefing to the CIA on Thailand's tribal areas when he returned home for a furlough. Most C&MA missionaries did likewise, according to a CIA source. Most of the information gleaned was about people, their actions, opinions, and grievances."

Interestingly, the link between the CIA and missionary groups was quite often the US Agency for International Development (AID). This is written of in great detail in Thy Will Be Done:

" William Cameron Townsend watched the controversy over the CIA's use of missionaries with curiosity and growing alarm. The CIA's penetration of religious missions, an issue previously overlooked by the media, was now, in 1975, making international headlines.

" The story had been building since 1970, when Dr. Eric Wolfe, chair of the American Anthropological Association's ethics committee, explained how anthropologists had been manipulated through the Chiang Mai Tribal Research Center in northern Thailand, which was funded through the Agency for International Development (AID). He also revealed that American missionary organizations had been drawn into this counterinsurgency operation as well.

"That June, President Nixon's director of AID, John Hannah, had admitted publicly that AID had funded CIA operations in Laos, and subsequent revelations pointed to CIA-AID collaboration in Ecuador, Uruguay, Thailand and the Philippines. These revelations could hurt all missionary efforts, but the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) was particularly vulnerable. Cam Townsend had been aggressively pursuing government funding for his Bible translators for decades, first from foreign governments and then from his own government. The amendment to the 1949 Federal Property and Administrative Services Act that allowed religious missions to take surplus U.S. government property abroad had even been called "Townsend's bill" in some congressional circles. By the 1960s, SIL was receiving a hefty income from AID indirectly through foreign governments that received U.S. foreign aid or directly through AID-funded programs in bilingual education and agricultural development cooperatives. This income was supplemented by surplus military equipment, including helicopters that were retired from Vietnam and donated to SIL. Evangelized pilots of these choppers became soldiers for Christ in the tradition of Dawson Trotman's Navigators. In Peru, after the nationalization of Standard Oil, the head of the U.S. Embassy's AID office even became a member of SIL."

Establishing a direct link between missionaries, US AID, the CIA and other intelligence agencies like the NSA, is not a very difficult task. The question for the Black electorate, in the Western Hemisphere and Africa is how such a history impacts on the monopoly of thought that Christian Solidarity International has obtained over the issue of the Sudan, influencing members of the US Congress and the British parliament, as well as White Conservatives and Black Civil Rights leaders?

And finally, what does all of this have to do with President Bush's new appointment to head US AID, Andrew Natsios and his decision, this month, to make Mr. Natsios the special humanitarian coordinator to monitor aid deliveries in Sudan?

We were intrigued by President Bush's recent emphasis on making sure that aid deliveries reached the people of the Sudan as opposed to being stolen and misappropriated by the Sudanese government. We were interested in President Bush's comments because it has been documented by many human rights groups and even the US government that it has been the SPLA, the Sudanese opposition group, that has been foremost in stealing foreign aid, food and resources before they reach the Sudanese people. Again, human rights groups have documented this information and provided it to the White House and members of the US Congress. But Republicans and Democrats alike, have done and said nothing.

Not surprisingly, Christian Solidarity International, who works hand in hand with the SPLA in arranging its "slavery redemptions", has been silent on such abuses, as have all of those in the anti-slavery coalition in America. The missionary and human rights work of Christians in the Sudan seems to dovetail rather nicely with the foreign policy objectives of the US and Britain in that part of Africa.

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