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India - China: Relations And Developments-2
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A chinese invasion of Indian border states is imminent in the next few years. It is better to prepare from now and start increasing capacity of war production.
No use, if leadership lacks will to use them.
Please dont be pessimistic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Chini invasion started in 1962,<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And after exhausting their ammo they had to ran back. Read up on 1962 war, they faced fierce resistance and had to abandon their plan of cutting NorthEast from Indian mainland.
Please read up about the "Chola Incident" in the 80's. The Indian soldiers posted on the border with china literally cut the hands of a chinese soldier to tried to act smart.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 15 2007, 12:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->now they just have to march inside West Bengal where red Carpet is waiting for them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Before that they will have to face the Indian army and the civilians armed with weapons. Read up on the the role partisans played when germany attacked russia.Already civilians along the borders there are well armed thanks to SSB. Nobody in India wants to live under the rule of chini pandas.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>First India-China Army exercise against terror begins today </b>
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
The first-ever joint exercise between the armies of India and China, <b>starting on Thursday in Yunnan province of China, will see the troops carrying out extensive counter-terrorist and counter-insurgency operations in an urban setting.</b>

The nearly 100-strong contingent (nine officers and 86 jawans) of the battle-hardened 15 Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry arrived in Kunming, Yunnan province, across Arunachal Pradesh on Wednesday, for the nine-day exercise named "Hand in Hand-2007."

The PLA will also field the same number of troops for the company-level exercise aimed at fostering closer military-to-military relations between the two countries.

The exercise comes a month before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Beijing. The two neighbours have disputed border of more than 4,000 kms (Line of Actual Control) and eleven rounds of talks have taken place between the two sides to resolve the complex issue.

However, the Line of Actual Control is peaceful for the last several years due to improving ties between India and China. The defence ties formalised in 1994 have seen the two countries sending officers to each other's prestigious military institutions for training and senior officers as observers for military exercises. Incidentally, the two navies had conducted a joint exercise off Shanghai three years ago.

<b>The drills will see the troops of two sides working as an enmeshed team to take on terrorists, rescue hostages and conduct patrols for reconnaissance, besides firing each other's weapons, sernior Army officer Brigadier SK Chatterjee told mediapersons in New Delhi on Wednesday.</b>

Elaborating upon the aims and objectives of the exercise to be conducted for the first time on the Chinese soil, he said, "<b>The aim of the exercise is building and promoting positive military relations and inter-operation abilities." </b>

The two sides would jointly practise cordon and search operations and tactics like how to enter a terrorist hideout and rescue hostages, he said, adding the logistical support will be provided by the Chinese army for the drill.

Given the backdrop of an urban setting for counter-terrorism exercise, the Chinese will also deploy helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) for reconnaissance and collecting intelligence.

They are also expected to press into service three or four tanks and light artillery guns and mortars for simulating an attack on a terrorist hideout in a built-up area, Chatterjee said. The final day will see Director General of Infantry Lt General Rajinder Singh and ten other officers viewing the exercises as observers, he added.
<b>"India's Policy towards China" </b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'>A dusty Chinese town called Lhasa</span>
Nayana Gangooly

Norbu, our Tibetan driver who drove us to Lhasa from the Nepal border, was probably sounding a warning to us when he proclaimed, “Chinese No Good!” every now and then, with an evil chuckle.

Or was it the red flags that fluttered over the simple houses lining the road leading to the capital that gave us the first clue of what we were about to get into?

Driving into the dust-filled city of Lhasa was indeed a shock after the gorgeous and untouched vistas of the Tibetan plateau. The very large and modern Chinese hotel gave us no sense of the place we romantics had come looking for.

After a long, arduous but utterly beautiful six-day journey from the border, we weren’t complaining too much the first night as a decent bed and hot shower were all we wanted.

But once we emerged refreshed, the sense of despondency returned. Especially when we realised we couldn’t read a single word of any signs on the streets of the city!

And no one who understood anything other than Chinese was available to give us directions either. A friend looking for an ATM almost gave up in tears and images of spending her life there, till she found help in the Lonely Planet guide.

Before we ventured to the ‘sights’, we were presumptuous enough to look for ‘authentic’ Tibetan fare… and were in trouble.

The few momos we managed to eat were thick dough balls and nothing like the wonderful steamy variety we spoilt Indians get in the Tibetan eateries dotting our country.

With some desperate searching, we finally managed to find a restaurant run by a Nepali who had done his schooling in Darjeeling to serve us any decent food!

The more we walked around this strange city, the more Norbu’s words came back to haunt us… Lhasa was indeed no mystical Tibetan town on the ‘roof of the world’ but in fact a ‘no good’ Chinese city. Norbu, who had used Chinese whisky when he had run out of brake oil as a lubricant for the Landrover, was turning out to be a prophet.

The romantic imagery evoked by Heinrich Harrier and other travellers to the forbidden city is gone. Lhasa today is modern China, with many roads under construction as are also malls and night clubs. The Barkhor is the only ‘original

Tibetan quarter’, with the white-washed walls of traditional homes, that remains in this capital city.

The Jokhang temple has retained some of its original features and it’s a sight to see smartly dressed Chinese tourists, just off a fast train from Beijing, gaping at the beauty of the ancient land that their country has tried so hard to obliterate.

This is a stark contrast to the poor and pious Tibetans who walk miles to prostrate themselves in front of the Jokhang, which is one of their holiest places of worship.

Modern Lhasa consists of about 70 per cent Chinese from the mainland and the few Tibetans you see are the ones selling trinkets in front of tourist sites at the Barkhor Square or the Potala Palace, including one who spoke Hindi and had spent quality time at Delhi’s Janpath.

The Potala, the summer palace, a grand, imposing and magical landmark restored with bright and garish Chinese paintwork, is nothing but a mausoleum to the lost Lamas of an ancient culture. A pretty square in front of the Potala, which used to be the meeting place for all Tibetans, is now ‘restricted entry’.

The only sense of the past is the prevailing perfume of the butter lamps that  emanates from all the monasteries, lit by the sad but constantly smiling Tibetans, trying in vain to keep their culture alive against all odds.

Why would the 14th Dalai Lama wish to come back to this very Chinese and unknown city that was once his home, we thought as we prepared to return home?

The writer is a businesswoman

Documents signed during the visit of Prime Minister to China

1. A Shared Vision for the 21st Century of the Republic of India and the People’s Republic of China.

2. Memorandum of Understanding for Cooperation between the Planning Commission of India and National Development and Reform Commission of the Peoples Republic of China.

Provides for cooperation between the planning bodies of the two countries including strengthening information exchange and consultations in the field of macroeconomic management, operation of the economy, and medium and long term development planning. The two sides agreed to hold Vice Ministerial (Secretary) level dialogue by turn in each country, according to requirement, on important topics of common concern.

3. Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation between Ministry of Railways, India and Ministry of Railways, PRC

Provides for enlargement of cooperation in matters related to the railways. It provides for activities such as the exchange of information on policies, laws and regulations, exchange programmes for experts and trainees, and joint organization of symposiums, seminars and conferences on themes of common interest. The specific areas of cooperation include cover telecommunication technologies, electrical traction supply, reliability of signalling systems, high axle load operations, cooperation in R&D pertaining to the railway sector, track machines, etc

4. Memorandum of Understanding between Ministry of Housing and Urban Poverty Alleviation of India and Ministry of Construction, PRC

This MOU provides a basic framework for cooperation in the area of housing. The overall goal of the MOU is to promote exchange of information related to housing policies, standard specifications and technologies between the two countries and increase cooperation to enhance residential construction standards, especially housing for middle and low income families. The MoU also seeks to promote cooperation and communication in the area of urban poverty alleviation efforts.

5. Memorandum of Understanding between the Ministry of Rural Development of the Republic of India and the Ministry of Land Resources of the PRC for Cooperation in Land Resource Management, Land Administration and Resettlement and Rehabilitation

Provides for cooperation in areas of common interest including development, conservation, management and utilization of land resources, land information management and updation of land records; land registration, statistics, valuation, land survey and adoption of modern technology in these areas; land use planning; land markets, land distribution and relevant laws and regulations; land acquisition, and resettlement and rehabilitation of affected persons on account of industrialization and natural calamities.

6. Memorandum of Understanding between Indian Council for Cultural Relations and Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries on India-China Joint Medical Mission.

On the 70th Anniversary of the arrival in China of the Indian Medical Mission, this MoU enables ICCR and CPAFFC to organise an India-China Joint Medical Mission. This would consist of 10 young doctors each from Indian and China who would jointly provide medical consultations / treatment both in India and China in 2008.

7. Memorandum of Understanding between the Indian Council for Cultural Relations and Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries on Cooperation in Culture.

This MoU enables ICCR and CPAFFC to cooperate in diverse fields of culture, including film and performing arts, exhibitions, publications, seminars, etc., to add momentum to the growing cultural relations between the peoples of the two countries.

8. Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation between Geological Survey of India and China Geological Survey in Geo-sciences

The two sides agreed to extend mutual cooperation in carrying out research and development projects in areas including palaeo-climatic and palaeo-environmental changes in the Asian Continent, dating of Indian khondalites for provenance characterization and technology exchange on mineral prognostication.

9. Memorandum of Understanding between Department of AYUSH, Ministry of Health and Family Welfare and State Administration of Traditional Chinese Medicine (SATCM), PRC Covering Cooperation in Traditional Medicine

Provides for promotion of cooperation in traditional medicine. It covers areas such as medical services, education, scientific research, and promotes the development of traditional medicine in the healthcare systems of the two countries. The two sides will support initiatives for conducting collaborative research studies in traditional medicine in identified universities and scientific institutions, including research on usage, safety and efficacy of traditional medicines and for harmonizing the pharmacopoeia standards in India and China.

10. Memorandum of Understanding between NABARD and Agricultural Development Bank of China on Mutual Cooperation

The MoU between NABARD and ADBC will facilitate cooperation on the sustainable development of agriculture and rural areas in both China and India. The two sides agreed to share business experiences, expertise, training facilities, modern technology skills and business development practices. NABARD and ADBC also agreed to share appropriate information on innovation in banking instruments, impact of climate change and global warming and possible risk management tools for farmers, and share experiences in areas like rural finance and agricultural development strategies and operation practices.

11. Protocol of Phytosanitary Requirements for the Export of Tobacco Leaves from India to China between the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine of the People's Republic of China and the Ministry of Agriculture of the Republic of India

The two sides agreed on a protocol of phytosanitary requirements for the export of tobacco leaves from India to China

This should be taken as a positive development.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This should be taken as a positive development. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, as it was in 1961-1962.
Whatever you ink, does it matter? Did Moron Singh asked for continuous harassment given to border security forces?
First solve border, get back occupied land, and ask them to stop funding Maoist in Nepal, Burma and India. Otherwise get ready to say good bye to big chunk of India.
Current government of India is allowing spies from China to come-over India because they want to keep traitors happy, which will keep them in power.

Shred all these MoU in first available shredder and plan how to protect India.
<b>China doesn't want entire Arunachal, just Tawang</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ma Jiali says, "The disputed area in Arunachal Pradesh is very large. But according to my understanding China does not want the whole of Arunachal Pradesh, just the Tawang area. <b>The Tibetan people have very strong religious sentiments towards the area</b>."

Scholars here warn that substantial adjustments would have to be made if the border issue between India and China is to be resolved. <b>The hint is towards major concessions by India on Tawang</b>.


Traitors are selling India, whatelse?
Tibetian people have more affinity toward Hinduism than Communism. So chinis should give us the whole of Tibet.

But is takes a strong sense of Indic identity to say such things to the chinis, something our babus cannot even dream of having.
From Deccan Chronicle

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Dr SIngh, don’t forget 1962</b>
By Balbir K. Punj

The news report that the Indian government was shocked that the Chinese protested Indian troop movement in Sikkim and elsewhere along the eastern border should surprise no one. It seems Dr Manmohan Singh, who was in China only a few days ago, could not connect the warmth of his reception by the Chinese then with the cold protest they have launched now. <b>The Prime Minister was careful not to offend the Chinese on the eve of his visit. So his projected visit to Arunachal Pradesh was so designed that he could avoid visiting Tawang district which the Chinese claim to be their own.</b>

To please the Chinese further, the government increased the number of Chinese flights from India, <b>and the security restraints on Chinese businesses in India were removed</b>. What the Prime Minister got from Beijing, however, was nothing more than some rhetorical statements that India and China must develop a joint vision for the coming decades of the 21st century.

There was also some statement on Chinese support for the Indian civilian nuclear programme, that in reality amounted to nothing concrete. But for a Prime Minister besieged by China’s fifth column in India — the CPI(M), that is — these goody-goody words were enough to get him applause from the Marxists who keep him in power. In Beijing, the Indian officials interpreted the Chinese statement as a huge success for the Indian Prime Minister.

The gloves were off in no time. <b>Contrast the Chinese diplomatic protests at Indian soldiers repairing some of the abandoned facilities along the Sikkim-Bhutan border — that China interpreted as troop movement — with what our government did when report came of the Chinese Army strengthening its position along the entire eastern border on the Tibetan side. A BJP Member of Parliament had even exposed China’s repeated incursions into Arunachal Pradesh. </b>

At first the government ignored it. Then the Army itself admitted that the Chinese were strengthening their position, but claimed that it was not alarming enough. To ensure that there were no irritants between the two countries on the eve of the PM’s visit to Beijing, the troop movements across the Line of Actual Control on the eastern and north-eastern border were described as normal.

Now it has been revealed that the <b>Army thought it serious enough to ensure that one of the mountain divisions that India had shifted from that border to J&K was ordered back to this place. </b>

It is this that the Chinese are protesting, in addition to restating their claims along the Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh borders with China. The reference to Indian movements within Sikkim is surprising, when earlier the government had claimed that China had agreed to accept Sikkim as part of India after the Chinese President’s visit to New Delhi.

<b>It is now revealed that the Chinese had in fact demolished several unmanned but abandoned Indian bunkers along the LAC. Obviously, despite being aware of this, New Delhi had underplayed the significance of these moves</b>. It had gone to the extent of telling its ministers not to attend the Dalai Lama’s functions in order not to provoke the Chinese.

Compare all these Indian reactions and responses now to what happened in the years leading up to the 1962 debacle.

It reads like history repeating itself. How can we forget the description that the well-known crypto-communist <b>V.K. Krishna Menon, then defence minister of India, gave to Ladakh’s northern areas when the Chinese incursions came to light? Menon said that “not a blade of grass grew” there, and therefore, we did not need to bother about it. The result was that the entire area was occupied by the Chinese soon enough.</b>

When Chinese incursions through the eastern and northeastern borders came to light, these were again dismissed as of no great consequence. Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai came to Delhi and charmed Jawaharlal Nehru into issuing a joint statement that sidelined the border conflict. But the Chinese gave up nothing.

Finally, with the border incursions becoming more and more belligerent, Nehru had to admit that he had asked the Indian Army to get the Chinese removed. During the entire years of the so called Panchsheel and India-China bhai-bhai, <b>New Delhi failed to face up to the fact that the Chinese had already defined their geo-political strategy and wanted to be on the Indian side of the Himalayan foothills, thereby depriving India of a chunk of its territory and gaining military advantage.</b>

Even its earlier incursion into Tibet that finally forced the Dalai Lama to escape to India, was part of this strategy. Yet, the Indian side signed away its recognition of Chinese sovereignty over Tibet without getting any credible concession from Zhou Enlai on the border issue. <b>The Nehru-Menon thesis was that, China, having thrown off colonialism, would not have territorial ambitions. It needed the 1962 debacle to disprove this thesis. </b>

We must recall how Nehru was reluctant to let Menon go even after the debacle. And it is now established that Nehru’s own sudden deterioration in health and final end were hastened by the collapse of his foreign policy with respect to China.

At the minimum, the present Prime Minister should have read this history before preparing to go to Beijing. But he too has got nothing on the border or any other issue while conceding to the Chinese their demands. <b>The big lesson from the 1962 debacle for us should have been that foreign policy cannot be based on romantic visions, but on hard geopolitical facts and lessons of history.</b>

The problem here is the UPA government itself. It depends for its survival on the support of the Marxist-led Left Front MPs. <b>And Marxist boss Prakash Karat does not fail to prove every now and then that he controls the UPA government and the government will have to act as per his diktat</b>. The Indian Marxists have been openly pro-Chinese since 1962 when they came out in support of the Chinese action against India.

Last year, <b>Karat asked the government to ignore security concerns over a Chinese company cornering the tenders for developing several Indian ports. And this the government has done now.  At the same time, as India has removed security considerations from Chinese companies working on developing Indian ports, our Navy Chief has expressed concerns about China developing a major port facility at Gwadar in Pakistan.</b>

New Delhi will be badly weakened in dealing with a many-hooded dragon as long as it has a government that is weak politically and lacks the determination to deal firmly with security concerns.  <b>No wonder the Chinese are stabbing Dr Singh in the back so shortly after his return from Beijing where they greeted him with a smile and a red carpet</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Defence heads to meet PM on China threat</b>
Fri, Feb 1 04:30 PM

New Delhi: Army and air force commanders in Arunachal Pradesh will apprise Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of their concerns about their assessment of China's infrastructure growth and its military capabilities.

They are also expected to brief Manmohan Singh on logistical problems of poor and deteriorating roads and highways, inadequate communications, and the need to improve living conditions of troops.

Eastern Command, which is responsible for Arunachal is widely regarded as a neglected command.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>China battles "coldest winter in 100 years"</b> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Authorities in the southern city of Guangzhou said their priority was to clear the backlog of travelers, having cajoled millions of migrant workers to stay put and skip the holiday.

Elsewhere, efforts turned to restoring power and water, which some cities, such as Chenzhou in the south, have been without for more than a week, causing some to question China's ability to handle emergencies months before Beijing holds the Olympics.

"Without power the only information we have been getting is by SMS from the government," said Chenzhou resident Zheng Ninghong, tending a fruit stall amid the slush.

"There was one, I think, that said it would get warmer, but what we need is electricity."

China has largely avoided unrest throughout the crisis, in part due to the 519,000 soldiers and more than 1.6 million paramilitary police that have been deployed throughout the country to help with disaster relief and crowd control.

The government continued to lionize those working to restore normalcy, giving three policemen who died during the storms the title of "hero and model of all Chinese policemen."


<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

There have been many discussion in various Forums in respect of the Killings by Mousey Dug and his cohorts of the Communist Party of China Killing Millions upon Millions of Chinese who opposed the Chinese rule in the Fifties - most propabily by Starvation.

Her is some information which I have been able to glean :

[center]<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>CHINA POPULATION INFORMATION AND RESEARCH CENTER : HOME PAGE</span></b>[/center]

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>TOTAL POPULATION OF 1949 - 1998</span></b>[/center]

You will note from the above Population Page that China’s Population kept increasing from 1949 to 1959 by 130,400,000 i.e. at an average rate of about 13 Million.

However, the Population <b>Decreased from 672,070,000 in 1959 to 658,590,000 in 1961 i.e. a DECREASE of 13,380,000 or shall we say <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>over 13 Million.</span>

<span style='color:green'>The Population should have increased by 27 Million thus the real decrease in China’s population between the Years 1959 and 1960 was Forty Million.</span></b>

This is per the Figures of the Government of the Peoples’ Republic of China’s Census Department :

[center]<b><i>China Population Development and Research Center
P.O.Box 2444, Beijing 100081
Tel: (86) 10-62173519 Fax: (86) 10-62172101

Being a Chinese Government Organization they will not exaggerate the Decrease but might tone it down.

So we have it from the Chinese Government’s Population Development and Research Centre that the Decrease was Forty Million!

I used to consider the Figure of Thirty Million but some commentators-writers have indeed quoted the Figure of Chinese Population Decrease to Sixty Million - due to forced starvation so as to get the People to Obey their Communist Masters like Mousay Dung and his obedient bunch of Sycophants and Bootlickers!!

Now you have it!!!

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>China protests PM's assertion on Arunachal</b>
Shilpa Shetty trumps Arunachal again
Arun Shourie
February 24, 2008

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India cannot be coy on Chinese aggression
By Shyam Khosla

Indian political establishment doesn’t seem to have learnt right lessons from the national humiliation in 1962. Our failure to understand the Chinese long-term strategic objectives and our political leadership’s propensity to live in make-believe were primarily responsible for our debacle in the border war with China. We were taken in by China’s sweet talks and “Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai” slogans and thought it was our “great friend”. We failed to understand its dangerous “map diplomacy” and Nehru simplistically accepted Chinese excuses that these were old maps that the new Government hadn’t had time to correct. Later these very maps were produced as proof in support of Chinese territorial claims.

Our Government slept as the dragon occupied large swaths of Indian Territory in Aksai Chin and built a road through it. Nehru made no effort to take the people into confidence about Chinese over-whelming military superiority in border areas and went public with his order to the army to throw out the Chinese aggressors from our territory, particularly from the then NEFA (now Arunachal Pradesh) in utter disregard to the situation on the ground. Not that our soldiers lacked the will and courage to fight. They made huge sacrifices and fought battles heavily leaded against them. They were ill-equipped and out-numbered. Alas, unprofessional Generals backed by Nehru and his Defence Minister V.K. Krishna Menon did us in. This piece is not on our fault lines in 50s and 60s. One is obliged to recall these sad developments as we are again facing a similar situation what with our Government’s half-hearted response to the China’s strategic moves.

NDA Government entered into talks with China to resolve the boundary dispute. The UPA Government followed it up and in 2005, the two countries agreed to certain political parameters for the resolution of the dispute. It was heartening to hear Dr Manmohan Singh declaring that there was no question of unsettling populated territories. However, there has been no progress on finding mutually acceptable territorial compromise. There are disputes over the interpretation of the 2005 agreement. The situation on the ground is worse. China has rapidly modernised and strengthened the rail and road infrastructure in Tibet whereas India failed on both the economic development and transport infrastructure in border areas. Chinese hostility is manifested in its aggressive action. The situation in Arunachal Pradesh is so serious that a senior army officer had to go public with the startling information that there had been as many as 146 incursions in the first 10 months of 2007. Two Arunachal MPs belonging to BJP took up the issue in right earnest to caution the nation about Chinese intentions. They also lamented that Chinese forces had entered areas under Indian administration to blow off a Buddha statue claiming that it stood in Chinese territory.

Prime Minister’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh immediately after his return from China and his description of the state as “Our land of rising Sun” is a hugely welcome development. Another positive of the visit was the announcement about a massive scheme to build roads and other infrastructure in the border state to provide inter-district connectivity and better connectivity with the rest of the country. However, it is extremely regrettable that the Prime Minister didn’t go to Tawang during his trip to the state. A visit to that strategic corridor—a large number of Indian soldiers had laid down their lives in 1962 in defending it—would have sent a strong and unequivocal message to Beijing. Indian response to China’s diplomatic protest against Prime Minister’s visit to the state is heartwarming. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee lost no time in reiterating that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India and that the Prime Minister can visit any part of the country. Beijing will have to be made to understand that whatever its maps may say, Arunachal Pradesh is a full-fledged Indian state that is governed by a democratically elected Government and that it also sends elected representatives to Indian Parliament.

Unfortunately, there was not much the country gained from Prime Minister’s official visit to Beijing. It was a routine trip and there was not much to write home about. There is lack of transparency about what transpired during Dr Singh’s talks with his counterpart. Did he convey to Chinese leaders India’s deep concern over military-capable infrastructure Beijing is building in Tibet to gain strategic depth and reduce tactical reaction time? As usual, a section of English language media hailed the visit a great success. One newspaper said it was “significant” that China’s had declared support to India’s aspirations to play a greater role in the United Nations, including the Security Council. The newspaper completely ignored the stark reality that Beijing had colluded with Uncle Sam to scuttle the proposal to expand the Security Council with a view to deny India its rightful place in the Council. This is how Beijing reciprocating Nehru’s strong advocacy of a Security Council seat for Communist China in 50s. A multi-edition English language daily claimed that Prime Minister’s official visit had contributed incrementally to the maturation and diversification of a bilateral relationship that had done well over the past two decades. What prompted the newspaper to make this claim remains a mystery.

It is not only our political establishment but also left liberal media and the chattering classes that are responsible for our weak and confused response to the Chinese threat to our territorial integrity. Their casual response to serious developments have let the country down time and again. How can a responsible newspaper claim that relations between India and China have matured during the past two decades? Of course, India has committed itself again and again to “one China” policy and our Government conceded that Autonomous Region of Tibet is an integral part of China. All this and more even as China continues to show large swaths of Indian territory as theirs in maps and denies visas to Indian citizens from Arunachal Pradesh. Is questioning our Prime Minister’s right to visit one of the country’s states, a sign of mature relations between the neighbours? No one is against negotiations to settle disputes but let us not negotiate out of fear. Let us find ways and means to raise issues like independence of Taiwan and Tibet to tell the Chinese that it is a game we can also play.

Above post more important. This one's just a question about something terribly minor.
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India cannot be coy on Chinese aggression
By Shyam Khosla
[right][snapback]78623[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Confused about date. Today is a still few days from the 24th of Feb 2008. Is that date above supposed to be 14 Feb or does it meant that the article is meant for publication on the 24th?
<b>Arunachal: The land of rising ire</b>
<b>China claims 90,000 km of our territory: India</b>
Some members of this forum may support China.

<b>Recent incidents add to China's edginess about terror - Jim Yardley and Jake Hooker</b>

BEIJING : A Chinese passenger jet en route to Beijing from the heavily Muslim Xinjiang region was forced to make an emergency landing Friday after the flight crew prevented at least two passengers from trying to crash the airplane, state media reported Sunday.

Meanwhile, a senior Chinese official said Sunday that a police raid in January against an alleged terrorist group in Xinjiang had uncovered materials that proved the group was plotting an attack on the upcoming Beijing Olympics.

Terrorism usually is not a palpable threat in China, where the authoritarian regime takes an unflinching approach toward maintaining social stability. But for months, Chinese security officials have warned that terrorism is a major concern as Beijing prepares to host the Games in August.

Last week, a man armed with dynamite hijacked a private bus carrying a group of Australian tour operators in the city of Xian. A police sniper later killed the man, and no details have been issued about him or his motives. None of the hostages was injured.

On Sunday, Wang Lequan, the Communist Party chief in Xinjiang, took a hard rhetorical line and said China would strike the "three evil forces" of terrorists, separatists and extremists. "We are prepared to strike them when the evil forces are planning their activities," Wang said, according to Xinhua, the state-run news service.

Xinjiang is a vast northwestern region that is home to China's population of 8 million Uighurs, a Muslim group with linguistic and ethnic ties to Turkey and Central Asia. Tensions have long prevailed in the region because of cultural aspirations by some Uighurs for an independent state. In the past, China has blamed Uighur separatists for a handful of terrorist acts. Meanwhile, human rights groups have accused China of overstating any terrorist threat as a pretext for cracking down on the Uighur population.

Last January, the Chinese police attacked an alleged terrorist gang in Urumqi, the capital city of Xinjiang. Two suspected terrorists were killed and 15 others were arrested. Few details were made public at the time. On Sunday, Wang said investigators had found knives, axes and books about terrorism in the raid. He said other materials suggested the group planned an Olympic attack, though no specifics were provided.

"Obviously, the gang had planned an attack targeting the Olympics," Wang told Xinhua.

Wang said the gang had ties to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, or ETIM, a separatist group designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and the United Nations.

Separately, the thwarted airplane attack was also revealed Sunday. Nur Bekri, chairman of the Xinjiang government, told state media that "some people were attempting to create an air disaster."

The incident occurred on a China Southern flight that departed Friday morning from Urumqi for Beijing. But the plane was diverted to the city of Lanzhou after an onboard incident. State media provided only a few details, noting that "the attackers were stopped in time by the air police, and all the passengers and crew members are safe."

Bekri suggested that more than one person had been involved but declined to provide specifics, saying that the authorities were investigating "who the attackers are, where they are from and what's their background."

One person with information about the incident said a Uighur woman apparently smuggled three containers of gasoline onto the flight. She then took the containers into the bathroom of the airplane and was later apprehended by members of the flight crew.

A China Southern employee at the Lanzhou airport confirmed that the airplane had been diverted to the city and that the incident had been handled by public security officers. The diversion was initially described as necessary because of "traffic control," the employee said.

<i>Zhang Jing contributed research from Beijing.</i>

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