<b>NSC meet discusses China, agrees India needs to keep an eye in long term</b>
After virtually agreeing there was <b>no need to âdemoniseâ Beijing as a potential threat</b>, the National Security Council meeting last Saturday <b>emphasised the need to watch China carefully </b>in the context of its recent actions vis-a-vis New Delhi in the Nuclear Suppliers Group on the Indo-US nuclear deal, ADB funds for Arunachal Pradesh and UN action to designate Pakistani Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) founder Masood Azhar a terrorist.
<b>Chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the NSC discussed China for nearly three hours â a broad consensus emerged that Beijing was not a short-term threat to India but its actions needed to be watched from the long-term perspective.</b> <b>The NSC emphasised that India needed to grow at 7-8 per cent in the next decade to become a global economic powerhouse</b> and match up to the challenge posed by Beijing.
The Ministry of External Affairs updated the meeting on Chinaâs behind-the-door action against India while seeking NSG waiver for the 123 Agreement, the impediments it put against India over an ADB loan for development in Arunachal Pradesh and the hurdles it put up in the UN declaring Masood Azhar a global terrorist.
<b>This indicated that Beijing saw New Delhi as a competitor for the high table and would use every opportunity to put India down.</b> Newly appointed Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao spoke at length on China and National Security Advisor M K Narayanan summarized at the end of the meeting.
<b>The essence of the discussion indicated that China would concentrate on Arunachal Pradesh â or South Tibet as it calls it â after it sorted out the Taiwan issue.</b> The meeting noted that <b>progress on upgradation of infrastructure on the Indian side was slow with environment hurdles in building roads in Arunachal Pradesh.</b>
<b>The chiefs of the Armed Forces briefed the meeting on Indiaâs defence preparedness</b> and indicated the need to overcome delays in weapons acquisition. <b>The Army chief made it clear that artillery modernisation was long delayed since the 155 mm Bofors howitzers had been bought way back in 1986. The Air Force talked about the need to increase and modernise the two-decade-old air defence radar network. The Navy spoke on delay in acquisition of the aircraft carrier Gorshkov.</b>
But <b>the Home Ministry made it clear that there was no need to paint China as a threat and demonise it in the public eye.</b>Â :?:Â The <b>need was to grow economically so that the country could stand up to any challenge in the near future.</b>
<i>{So Home Ministry is talking about economics and external affairs?}</i>
While decisions on issues discussed at the NSC will be taken in a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, the apex body was told that <b>out of the $40-billion bilateral trade, China was exporting nearly $32 billion of finished goods to India while the latter was only exporting raw material. The finished goods, basic amenities included, could hit cottage and small scale industries, resulting in large scale unemployment</b>.
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I worry if they will get the time to go about liseurely. So there is a huge import imbalance and not doing anything about it. And gratitous remarks about need to grow economically for future. So when do they think PRC will solve its Taiwan problem?
At 7-8 % growth the current $1T doubles in 9-10 years ie 2018-2019..
What is the old GS(BRIC Report) projection for India in that time period?
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Aug. 10: China wants India to build strategic mutual trust, but its own intent is anything but helpful. At least that is an impression one gets from an article written by a Chinese analyst under a pseudonym.
The August 8 article, which coincided with the recently concluded 13th round of Sino-Indian border talks here, appeared under the caption: âIf China takes a little action, the so-called Great Indian Federation can be broken up.â
It said China should back aspirations of Tamils, Nagas, Assamese and Kashmiris for their respective independent states, like in Europe. The premise being that India, with the exception of the predominantly Hindu and Hindi heartland, did not exist as a nation in history. The article under the pseudonym of Zhan Lue (or strategy) also argued for encouraging Bangladesh to give a push to the independence of West Bengal and wresting the 90,000 sq km of Indian territory in âSouthern Tibetâ or Arunachal Pradesh.
Mr D.S. Rajan, director of Chennai Centre for China Studies, translated the article from Chinese for circulation in India.
He told this newspaper that the article might not necessarily reflect the views of the Chinese government, but the fact that a prominent Chinese think tank chose the same for publication, suggested some official sanction. It showed that at least some in China had a jingoistic attitude towards India, Mr Rajan said.
Another article, published under the same pseudonym a few months ago, visualised a partial war with India. The analyst said the best option for China would be to dismember India and to âmake her spit what she has swallowed.â
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<b>Fake 'Made In India' drugs: China admits its cos' involvement</b>
PTI 11 August 2009, 04:56pm IST
NEW DELHI: China has admitted that its pharmaceutical companies were involved in shipping fake drugs labeled 'Made In India' to Nigeria.
<b>"The Chinese authorities have accepted this position (that its firms were involved in the case)," an official said. </b>
"The Indian government took up the matter with the Nigerian authorities and on further probe, it was found that the drugs had actually originated in China and not in India," he added.
In June, Nigeria's drug regulatory authority National Agency for Food and Drug Administration And Control (NAFDAC) had reported about the detention of a large consignment of fake anti-malarial generic pharmaceuticals labeled 'Made in India' which were actually produced in China.
Following the incident,<b> India took up the issue with China fearing that this could damage the reputation of the 12-billion-dollar Indian pharmaceutical industry in the global market.</b>
Though, China had assured of investigations in the matter, Indian authorities were not given any time frame.
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This is disgusting.
Burn the trees down and build roads and airbases. Arunachal Pradesh should be flooded with 50 million Indians. The racist Han Chinese is usually paranoid about large numbers of darker skinned people. They usually like to test people before a big invasion. Indians are the only race that can numerically take on the mighty Han.
They know it also, and are scared about it. I would like to see Indians flood Yunan and other Southern Chinese provinces to work in factories there.
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Following story shows India's official thinking on China.
<b>NSC meet discusses China, agrees India needs to keep an eye in long term</b>
After virtually agreeing there was <b>no need to âdemoniseâ Beijing as a potential threat</b>, the National Security Council meeting last Saturday <b>emphasised the need to watch China carefully </b>in the context of its recent actions vis-a-vis New Delhi in the Nuclear Suppliers Group on the Indo-US nuclear deal, ADB funds for Arunachal Pradesh and UN action to designate Pakistani Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) founder Masood Azhar a terrorist.
<b>Chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the NSC discussed China for nearly three hours â a broad consensus emerged that Beijing was not a short-term threat to India but its actions needed to be watched from the long-term perspective.</b> <b>The NSC emphasised that India needed to grow at 7-8 per cent in the next decade to become a global economic powerhouse</b> and match up to the challenge posed by Beijing.
The Ministry of External Affairs updated the meeting on Chinaâs behind-the-door action against India while seeking NSG waiver for the 123 Agreement, the impediments it put against India over an ADB loan for development in Arunachal Pradesh and the hurdles it put up in the UN declaring Masood Azhar a global terrorist.
<b>This indicated that Beijing saw New Delhi as a competitor for the high table and would use every opportunity to put India down.</b> Newly appointed Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao spoke at length on China and National Security Advisor M K Narayanan summarized at the end of the meeting.
<b>The essence of the discussion indicated that China would concentrate on Arunachal Pradesh â or South Tibet as it calls it â after it sorted out the Taiwan issue.</b> The meeting noted that <b>progress on upgradation of infrastructure on the Indian side was slow with environment hurdles in building roads in Arunachal Pradesh.</b>
<b>The chiefs of the Armed Forces briefed the meeting on Indiaâs defence preparedness</b> and indicated the need to overcome delays in weapons acquisition. <b>The Army chief made it clear that artillery modernisation was long delayed since the 155 mm Bofors howitzers had been bought way back in 1986. The Air Force talked about the need to increase and modernise the two-decade-old air defence radar network. The Navy spoke on delay in acquisition of the aircraft carrier Gorshkov.</b>
But <b>the Home Ministry made it clear that there was no need to paint China as a threat and demonise it in the public eye.</b>Â :?:Â The <b>need was to grow economically so that the country could stand up to any challenge in the near future.</b>
<i>{So Home Ministry is talking about economics and external affairs?}</i>
While decisions on issues discussed at the NSC will be taken in a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, the apex body was told that <b>out of the $40-billion bilateral trade, China was exporting nearly $32 billion of finished goods to India while the latter was only exporting raw material. The finished goods, basic amenities included, could hit cottage and small scale industries, resulting in large scale unemployment</b>.
Chinky gooks are a big threat - often underestimated by Hindus in the light of our more immediate adversaries like xtians and sullas. Of course as usual Hindus are sleeping, one day we will wake up to find entire north-east corridor occupied by dog eating gooks.
Chinks military advancing at fast pace while India sleeps.
âIndia stands by Chinese assurance on respecting territorial integrityâ
Sandeep Dikshit
China abides by the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence
The article appears to be an expression of individual opinion
NEW DELHI: The Foreign Office on Tuesday said it stood by assurance given by top Chinese leadership rather than pay heed to an article by a Chinese think tank analyst recommending the dismemberment of India.
âThe Chinese side has conveyed to us that in approaching India-China relations, China abides by the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence. One of these principles stresses on respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty,â External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said.
âWe have seen the media reports. India and China have strategic and cooperative partnership. There is multi-sectoral engagement between the two countries and the pace of exchanges has gained momentum in recent years. Both sides have agreed to continue this momentum, while seeking to resolve outstanding issues, including the boundary question through peaceful dialogue and consultations, and with mutual sensitivity to each otherâs concerns,â he added.
India feels the article appears to be an expression of individual opinion and does not accord with the officially stated position of China on India-China relations conveyed to New Delhi, including at the highest level, most recently by Chinaâs State Councillor Dai Bingguo during his visit to the country last week. âWe continue to maintain that opinions and assessment on the state of India-China relations should be expressed after careful judgement based on the long-term interests of building a stable relationship between the two countries,â Mr. Prakash observed.
<b>China: The new Big Oil</b>
<i>The country is snapping up oil fields from Africa to South America to the Middle East. Soon it may be able to rival the Western giants.</i>
US must respect Pakistanâs strategic interests: Burns
* US, India believe China cannot be contained, should be engaged
By Iftikhar Gilani
NEW DELHI: One of former US president George W Bushâs top aides on Tuesday urged the US to respect Pakistanâs strategic interests.
Addressing an interactive meeting in India, former US undersecretary of state and architect of the Indo-US nuclear deal, Nicholas Burns, said his country needed to unite with Pakistan to combat extremist groups. Blaming past Pakistani governments for the worsening situation in the region, he said: âUS-Pakistan relations are vital to the administration. We have to be friends with Pakistan so we can combat extremist groups. Past governments have been responsible for the worsening of the situation there and now we have to convince Pakistan to do more.â
Burns, who is in India to establish an Indian politics programme at the Harvard Kennedy School where he teaches, said the internal security situation of Pakistan should be a cause for concern for everyone. âThere is nothing more important to worry about, than the internal security of Pakistan - it is highly unstable,â he added. However, he said the US and Pakistan needed to respect each otherâs strategic interests and take into account regional and global perspectives. He said the US-India civil nuclear cooperation agreement had been a watershed, historically and symbolically, for the two nations. He said it marked the USâ recognition of Indiaâs rise as a global power and âwe hope to see the full implementation of the agreement, which could lead to cooperation in other areasâ.
Engage, not contain: Burns revealed that Americaâs focus has shifted to South Asia and the Middle East because of the myriad challenges in these regions. Alluding to China as a rising global power, he said there was consensus in the US and India that it was not possible to contain China, but it was possible to engage with it. He said China should demonstrate greater responsibility and be willing to compromise for the global good.
On the US and Indiaâs relations with Pakistan, Burns said both countries were great nations. However, he added, the US felt it was imperative to have âindependentâ relations with Islamabad and New Delhi even as it sought to improve bilateral relations between them.
On rare occasions, historical parallels of contemporary events are so sharp that they pierce decades of time to penetrate our minds and skewer our souls. Accusations of the deaths, by deliberate neglect, of disabled children in Chinese orphanages, made by a credible human rights organization [Human Rights Watch], summon up memories of the deaths, by both deliberate neglect and direct killing, of disabled children in Nazi German institutions. Those memories impose on us a powerful obligation to respond to the accusations against the Chinese orphanages by calling for an international investigation--and, if the accusations are confirmed, to take decisive action to end the medicalized killing of helpless innocents.
Human Rights Watch has reported that a majority of children, who entered a Shanghai orphanage in the late 1980s and early 1990s died within a year; that this high death rate was typical of orphanages throughout China, and that it was a result of a policy, euphemistically called `summary resolution,' which selected children for death by starvation, sometimes aided by the administration of sedating drugs. These deaths, the report noted, were attributed to such causes as `congenital malformations of the brain' and `mental deficiency.'
Critics have cited a number of reasons for the deliberate starving of these Chinese children. Many of the children admitted to the orphanages were abandoned because they were born disabled. In a country that has an official policy limiting families to one child, some couples abandon disabled children so that they can try again for a healthy child; others may do so to shift to the state a caretaking burden they are unable to bear.
In the Chinese orphanages, according to these critics, it is these disabled children who tend to be subjected to `summary resolution'--deliberately starved, not treated when they develop easily treatable medical conditions, sometimes medicated to keep them quiet as they starve, and confined to `dying rooms.' Chinese orphanages realize significant income from adoptions of healthy babies by childless Western couples; disabled babies are not only unlikely candidates for adoption but also no less burdensome for their institutional caretakers than they would have been for the parents who abandoned them.
The parallels with the treatment of disabled children in German institutions during the Nazi era are haunting. Although the vast bulk of Nazi killing was, of course, eventually focused on Jews and became what we now know as the Holocaust, it was heralded, before the start of the Second World War, by the systematic, government-sponsored killing of children and adults who were disabled--a practice that continued after the war began. The killing methods, especially in the cases of children, often involved starvation and the administration of lethal doses of medications. In the cases of disabled adults, direct killing using gas was common--a method that, once refined, was used on a mass scale against Jews after the German armies rolled into Poland.
* The German killing of disabled children and adults was justified on the grounds that these persons constituted `life unworthy of life.' After 1934, mental hospitals were urged to neglect their patients. In 1935, Hitler was confident that a war would require healthy people, and that during a war it would be possible to easily eliminate the `incurably ill.'
* According to the reports provided by Human Rights Watch, the starved children in the Chinese orphanages look very much like the starved children in the German `Children's Specialty Institutions'; the Chinese institutions, too, administer sedatives to some children selected for death; they, too, use false diagnoses as coverups; they, too, cremate the remains of starved children; and they, too, employ physicians, many of whom probably tell themselves that the children dying under their care would have died anyway, and in any case are useless eaters in a country challenged by scarce resources.
* It should be clear; even if the existence of the `dying rooms' in Chinese orphanages were confirmed, it would not amount to the Holocaust, or even a semblance of it. Unlike Nazi Germany, China has not developed a systematic racial ideology, particularly one that requires all members of certain groups to be killed because of ethnic origin. Chinese leaders, as contemptuous of human rights as they have been, have not promulgated any such ideology; nor is it known that they have promulgated national or regional programs aimed at killing disabled children.
* But if the report by Human Rights Watch is correct, it seems clear that the general circumstances in China, including the lack of individual human rights, have enabled at least some Chinese orphanages to engage secretly in practices that parallel some of the practices, particularly death by starvation, that were carried out by Nazi Germany against disabled children and adults.
* If the Human Rights Watch report can be verified by international inspections, the parallels between the Chinese orphanages and the Nazi programs to kill disabled children are alarming. These parallels remind us that human beings, including physicians and other caregivers, are extraordinarily vulnerable to inhuman acts and extraordinarily capable of justifying their behavior on what they see as rational grounds. And they remind us that countries in which democratic institutions are forcibly forbidden and human rights systematically quashed are ones in which human life becomes, quite simply, expendable.
* The experience of the Holocaust, and the world's silence in response to it, have taught us that we must never shut our ears to reports of evil acts. We must investigate such reports and respond vigorously if they are confirmed. We have an obligation to do that--to ourselves, to the most defenseless of our fellow human beings, and to memory.
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Dr. Walter Reich, a physician who is the director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and the chairman of the Committee on Human Rights of the American Psychiatric Association. Dr. Reich draws chilling parallels between the practices that have been observed in China and the horrors of the Holocaust.
<b>Chinese incursion reported in Ladakh</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Amid reports of incursions by Chinese troops and choppers, the Indian Army has raised its vigil and preparedness to the highest level in the Ladakh region along the 646-km-long border with China, the line of actual control (LAC).
Brigadier Murali Gopalkrishnan of the Northern Command told Hindustan Times that the locals had sighted Chinese choppers in Indian territory south of Chunar.<b>Army sources said that they were getting reports about Chinese intrusion from the locals, often shepherds, who take their yaks to high altitudes for grazing.</b>
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<b>Indian Army on 'Operation Alert' along China border</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Indian Army has mobilised its troops to forwards posts in Jammu and Kashmir and along the northeastern border with China in an exercise named Operation Alert, a defence official said on Wednesday.
<b>"About 50 per cent troops on the Line of Actual Control have been mobilised to forward posts. The mobilisation would last for nearly a month,"</b> a senior Indian Army official told IANS.
<b>The mobilisation of Indian troops has come close on the heels of a high-profile war game launched by the Chinese army. China had deployed close to 50,000 troops in its biggest cross-country tactical mobilisation exercise that has sent alarm bells ringing in India as it is seen as Beijing's efforts to improve its ability to deploy troops in Tibet whenever reinforcements are required</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why this drama now? Till Congress was married with Communist, China was not a problem, even after Askai Chin google expose.
One reason, Congress want to sign as many defense deal as possible to collect commission money before election and keep Queens purse happy.
Now watch for all defense deals.
Communist opposition to the nuke deal was similarly staged. They made absolutely sure that the UPA had enough votes before initiating fake outrage for the mulla constituency prior to elections. The break had to come and the nuke deal provided the convenient pretext. General Indian public thought that if communists are opposing then the deal must be to India's benefit.
The Chinese are obsessed with skin color for some reason (since they can't do much about their features).
Can a Mixed Race Contestant Become a Chinese Idol?
Time.com
9/25/2009
By SIMON ELEGANT AND CHENGCHENG JIANG Simon Elegant And Chengcheng Jiang â 2 hrs 59 mins ago
In many ways, Lou Jing is a typical young Shanghainese woman. Pretty and confident, she speaks Mandarin heavily accented with the lilting tones of the Shanghai dialect and browses the malls of this huge city for the latest fashions.
But there is one thing that distinguishes this 20-year-old from her peers, something that has made her the unwitting focus of an intense public debate about what exactly it means to be Chinese: the color of her skin. <b>Born to a Chinese mother and an African-American father</b> whom she has never met, the theater student rocketed into the public consciousness last month when she took part in an American Idol-esque TV show, "Go! Oriental Angel." (See pictures of modern Shanghai.)
The marketing gurus for the series could hardly have dreamed of a better promotional gimmick when they started to investigate the backgrounds of the dozens of pop star wannabes to root out the competitors' mushy stories of triumph over adversity that are a well-worn staple of the genre. Here was a tale guaranteed to attract eyeballs - a girl of mixed race brought up by a single Chinese mother struggling to gain acceptance in a deeply conservative, some would say rascist, society.
The strategy worked - perhaps too well. In August, Lou's appearance on the show not only boosted viewer numbers, but sparked an intense nationwide debate about the essential meaning of being "Chinese." Over the last month on Internet chat rooms, where modern China's sensitive issues are thrashed out by netizens long before they reach the heavily censored mainstream media, <b>Lou's ethnicity has been the subject of a relentless barrage of criticism, some of it crudely racist. They think she should not have been allowed to compete on a Chinese show, or at least not to be selected to represent Shanghai in the national competition. She doesn't have fair skin, which is one of the most important factors for Chinese beauty. What's more, her mother and her biological father were never married. Morally, this kind of behavior shouldn't be publicized, so she shouldn't have been put on TV as a young "idol."</b>
These kinds of posts on the most popular chat rooms have attracted thousands of comments. A few have been supportive of Lou, but the rest range from expressions of fear and ignorance to outright racism. One of the most popular posts about Lou Jing on the KDS Life forum asks in mock-seriousness: <b>"Is it possible that she is Obama's daughter?" Another poster said</b>: "I can't believe she's so shameless that she would go on TV." <b>Most of the critics are agreed on one point - that this black woman cannot be regarded as a "real" Chinese.</b>
As recently as the 1970s, foreigners were largely barred from living in China, let alone marrying a local. China does not easily accept mixed race children as "true-blooded" Chinese: As soon as a child is born, Chinese parents are required to register with the authorities as to which of the 56 government-approved ethnic groups their child belongs; there are no mixed-race categories. For her part, Lou feels she is very much Chinese. "When I meet somebody for the first time, they'd often ask me how I can speak Chinese so well, and I tell them 'Because I'm a Chinese, of course I can speak my mother-tongue well.'" Lou says defiantly. "I don't like to be treated differently."
As China undergoes an astonishing demographic shift and more foreigners make their homes in the Middle Kingdom, Lou is by no means the only one being treated differently. Recent decades have seen a surge in the number of mixed-race couples. According to the data offered by Shanghai Civil Affairs Bureau, from 1994 to 2008, each year, there are about 3,000 more mixed race marriages in Shanghai. But as the children of that first generation of mixed-race marriages now come of age, their moves to gain acceptance in society - like Lou's participation in the TV show - have exposed a deep-running vein of xenophobia in Chinese society. Last year, Ding Hui, a young man of African-Chinese ethnicity, caused a stir when he was called up to the national volleyball team, prompting much soul-searching about whether this athlete should be allowed to represent China alongside other 'pure-blooded' Chinese competitors. Eventually, Ding Hui did go on to play in the national team.
"As China continues to open up, this kind of phenomenon will become ever more prevalent," says David Zweig, a professor of Humanities & Social Sciences at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. "This is part of the process of internationalization, but we can only hope that Chinese people, including netizens and the people whose views tend towards extremism, can come to accept that there are many mixed-race people both in China and worldwide."
As for Lou, she found the whole experience more than a little disturbing. She did well in the show, ranking in the top 30 contestants before she was eliminated. Now she's back to her normal life as a college junior - with a little new insight into her home. "Through this competition, it's really scary to find out how the color of my skin can cause such a big controversy."
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