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Indology Dept Closure
#1
First it was Cambridge and now Berlin's Institute of Indology. Some of the academic cartels of ignorance and arrogance are shutting down. Right enough our bigoted racists "hostile academics" (Judge Damrell's words) are feeling the pinch.

Witzel and his cronies are on a new crusade to save their dwindling careers and dying profession. Seems like they are desperately seeking funding from NRIs to find 'chairs' for their stinky fat musharaffs. Paki lobby money squeezed tight for moolah? FOSA coffers going broke? FeTNA not offering help since it's busy bailing out it's officers on US gterrorism charges? "Dalit" orgs busy with Christmas collection? We don't know, we might never now - like the fate of that "Arun Vajpayee"

Nevertheless, enjoy some of the emails I've received on this..


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->How about an online petition congratulating Cambridge and the Berlin school authorities?

Apart from creating distortions and indulging in motivated denigration, what has indology contributed to unraveling the bharatiya traditions, ethos and civilizational inheritance?

I for one would congratulate Berlin's Institute of Indology for planning to close it down. Same goes for the closure of indolgy studies elsewhere outside of Bharatam. Bharatiya studies should be studied of bharatiya, for bharatiya and NOT allowed to be kept unde seige by eurocentric creationists. Arya, ayya, leave us alone; we have had enough of the colonial loot followed by william jones type indologists wearing skull-caps. It is reparation settlement time.

Some moves are afoot to tap funds from wealthy NRIs. I hope NRIs will see through the pathetic plight of eurocentric creationists who are themselves to blame for the emergency situation they find themselves in. Solution? Do prayas'cittam. Penance on Alps or Colorado heights may help. Of course, some may prefer Nepal or even China. There is little prospect that witzelites will really care to instill a sense of pride in the children in schools studying Hindu civilization. The mess is too deep for tears.
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#2
Related threads:
California Textbooks issue
Western Indologists, Their motives, modus operandi..
#3
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->December 12, 2006

<b>The Berlin Institute of Indology

Subject: Closing down the Berlin Institute of Indology
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Ladies and Gentlemen:

    In closing down the Berlin Institute of Indology, I feel that the authorities have shown sound judgment and awareness of emerging developments in the world of scholarship and enlightened attitudes in the post-colonial world. Indology is a tainted discipline with a painful legacy of racism, shoddy scholarship and politics. It has an indefensible record of ideological abuse. This ideological abuse saw its culmination in the Nazi atrocities and keeps raising its head at every opportunity, even six decades after the end of Nazi rule.

    The fall of the Third Reich did not end the mindset that gave rise to these abuses. Only anti-Hinduism replaced anti-Semitism as the outlet for its hate mongering. This came to the fore during the vicious anti-Hindu campaign waged by the German-born Harvard Indologist Michael Witzel, almost the last holdout for Aryan theories, against enlightened changes in California school curriculum. He and like minded 'scholars' are now running a hate group calling itself Indo-Eurasian Research (IER).

    Through historical circumstances, 'scholars' like Michael Witzel and Indology in general remain a blot on German history. It should have ended with the Third Reich, but academic self-interest kept this intellectual pathology alive.

    Indians have no use for Indology, which they see with some justice as a colonial artificact which besmirches the name of India in propagating values and abuses that have nothing to do with India. I see the closure of the Berlin Institute of Indology, along with its counterpart in Cambridge University, as a first step towards correcting this historical wrong. My compliments to you on your timely decision.

..

Sincerely,
xxxx
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#4
Witzel's setup an email address to lobby!! Why does he feel the need to setup an email address list? Why can't he do what he did last Nov i.e., 48 akadummies signing petition in 48 hours? Unless of course those signatures were bogus???

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> do not know the nature of this email address <b>berlinindilogy@gmail.com</b> which Witzel claims to have set up. Let me quote what Witzel said in his message on Dec. 11, 2006: "However, since time is of the essence, last night I wrote a detailed letter to the Berlin authorities. We have been told that it would be potentially helpful if other researchers involved either in Sanskrit, Indology, or other ancient fields that directly *or* indirectly depend on these fields could do the same. We have set up a special email address for letters addressed to the German officials at:
berlinindology@...Any letters sent to this address will be retransmitted to all the appropriate German officials, with a copy in each case to you. Your letters or names will NOT be made public."

I doubt if your letter will get forwarded, without being censored by Witzel, to the 'Berlin authorities', whoever they are. Let me find out if there is a direct way to write to the authorities of the universities/institutes involved not to go by the false claims of Witzel-led campaigners.. Indology studies/instituted involved are at Cambridge, Humbold University and Free University.
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Dr. Kalyanaramanji's who authored an article on India forum on this subject notes:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Reclaiming bharatiya studies

http://www.india-forum.com/articles/105/1/ In this article on vernaculars and sanskrit written in March 2006, I commented on the distortions indulged in by Sheldon Pollock and Robert (also Sally Sutherland) Goldman denigrating the contributions of sanskrit language and literature to bharatiya society and samskriti. I had endorsed Rajiv Malhotra's observations that " The Western Sanskritist, he says, feels this most acutely, given that Sanskrit was the principal discursive instrument of domination in premodern India. Thus Pollock deftly turns Said's attack on imperialism into nonsense by insisting that the subjugated Indians are themselves imperialists, as much as the conquering Europeans. In Pollock's view, the trend continues today, and sanskrit is being continuously reappropriated by many of the most reactionary and communalist sectors of the population (Pollock 1993: 116). " The distortions indulged in by Michael Witzel are well documented at http://www.vigilonline.com/downloads/Dos...Witzel.pdf

Now some are lamenting (see Annex) the closure of sanskrit (and indian philology) studies in Cambridge and Berlin universities. The closure of the sanskrit (aha, southasian studies) at Harvard u cannot be far behind.

Is this a good thing or bad? Methinks, these are good auguries, good developments nailing the last nail on the coffin of a mythical discipline called 'indology' closely following a non-falsifiable discipline called indo-european linguistics (IEL).

The indologists are themselves to blame for landing themselves in this state of lament, given as they are to insulting bharatiya traditions, ethos and civilization at every turn, every opportunity.

Methinks, the vacuum created by the epitaph being sung on indology should result in a new upsurge of bharatiya studies based on bharatiya ethos and traditions. A wealth of literature and epigraphs exist; a wealth of tradition is enshrined in magnificent sculptures, art treasures, music and dance forms all over bharatam – a cultural domain which extended from Takshas'ila into Nagara Vatika (Angkor Wat) and beyond into Japan in a Sanatana dhamma – esha dhammo sanantano continuum.

It is time to reclaim bharatiya studies from the relics called indologists and create a new fervor among the youth of the youngest nation of the world and instill in them a sense of pride in their millennial, civilizational heritage. 

The time is now, to unshackle ourselves from the siege started by indologists and vaingloriously pursued by pseudo-secular groups. A beginning has been made. See notes and documentation at http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com The rotten, motivated account of ancient socio-cultural history written by indologist-marxist combine has to be replaced by Itihaasa Bharati, an account of the contributions made by jaati, janajaati to bharatiya ethos, traditions, samskriti.

As a first step, the 'aryan hoax' of a marble statue depicting William Jones (Supreme Court judge of East India Company) wearing a skull-cap should be removed from the chapel at Oxford College. (See picture, thanks to Rajiv Malhotra, at http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/content...mally2.jpg ) He was NO law-giver of Bharatam. He knew little about dharmas'aastra-s. Bharatiya rishi-s and ancestors are the law-givers, the dharmaatma of Bharatam.


Kalyanaraman December 10, 2006

<b>Annex</b>

Two messages of Indo-eurasian_research yahoogroup have been forwarded to me.

This is to inform, that not ony at Cambridge but also at Berlin there will be no in-depth Sanskrit Studies any more in near future.

Since 1821 Sanskrit has been taught at a Berlin university by such well kown scholars as Bopp, Weber, Pischel, Lüders et.al.

http://web.fu-berlin.de/indologie/geschi...allg1.html

Now as a result of structural policy of the two major Berlin universities on the one hand and the over all BA/MA reforms on the other there will be no more students after 2008 of Sanskrit in a BA-course. As a consequence traditional Indology will seize to exist at Berlin.

http://web.fu-berlin.de/indologie/Zukunft.htm

There is no consolation in the fact, that the teaching of Indian Art-History will survive for the time being as a subject under the roof of General Art-History and Modern Indian History will still be taught at Humboldt-University. Sanskrit and the other historical Indian Languages and the bulk of literature and informations transmitted through them will remain closed to all students of that fields.

To indologists this measures are obvious as short sighted and ridiculous in the light of the importance of Sanskrit and its derivates for the development and spread of all cultures in India, Central- and South-East-Asia.

It is deplorable that the many years fight of a scholar of great international
reputation as Harry Falk for the survival of his field at one of the two Berlin
universities seems to have been in vain.

Caren Dreyer

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasia...ch/message/5590 5 December 2006

To continue our discussion of the abolition of Sanskrit at Cambridge and Berlin:

After reunification there were about 20 institutes for Indology in Germany -- I leave aside here Austria and the German speaking part of Switzerland: Bern, Zurich, Vienna, Graz. In Germany, this number has his has now been whittled down to some 15.

The obvious reason is, as we will see below: just money.

To begin, it must be underlined that universities in Europe usually are government funded: by the central Govt. in Britain, France, Holland, and by the various federal states in Germany. (The few new, fledgling private Universities have not taken off yet.)

Berlin Indology, after reunification, was the largest in all of Germany, with 2 institutes at its 2 universities: the old Humboldt U. (heavily Marxified between 1945-1990) and the post '45 Free University in W. Berlin . In the Indology listings of 1996 I count some 30 Professors, lecturers (etc.). How many of them, and which institutions, will have survived, we will be able to see in the new version, due early next year… In addition to this accumulation of specialists, we have the magnificent Museum of Indian Art (re)built in 1968, the extremely well stocked Oriental Division of the former Prussian State (Royal) Library, the Catalogue Project of Indian MSS, and the Academy.

However, the Berlin case is just the last instance of a general disastrous trend of diminishing resources (see next message). At Berlin, the situation has been dire for 15 years. W. Berlin always was a heavily subsidized island inside E. Germany. After reunification, the
new federal state of Berlin has been and still is in great financial trouble. (Recently they have even dissolved their symphony orchestra, if memory serves right).

Therefore, the Berlin authorities decided to pool the resources of the two Indology departments at Berlin. Humboldt University should have got Indian Philology (that has been cut out now at Freie Universitaet). But Humboldt wants to concentrate on modern India (true to their, now generally abandoned, 45 years of Marxist interest just in modern nations). While Indian Philology was cut at Free U., Indian Art will move, next Wednesday, to the general Arts Dept.

It is a Catch 22 situation: Free U. does not want Indian Philology, nor does Humboldt who wants to be 'modern' and have room for new "Profs. Of excellence" (another American fad that has invaded Europe and Japan and wrecks havoc everywhere now).

The net result is the loss we now deplore. It is a more than small scandal that the second oldest chair in Indian Studies in Germany has fallen prey to cutbacks and the parochial interests of those directly involved: all levels of administration at Free U. do not want Indian Philology.

(I do not need to stress here why we need the study of older India if we want to understand modern society etc. Colonial and post-'47 history, as championed in many places worldwide now, does not cut it.)

Therefore, as some have already expressed, it could only be private donors that should step up to the plate now. Unfortunately, the culture of giving for cultural institutions is not very much developed in Germany (and Europe in general).The motto rather is: "We pay a lot of taxes" –-I paid some 60% in Holland—"so the state has to take care of our universities, museums, orchestras, etc."

Unfortunately the state (Berlin) is bankrupt...

As in Germany matters of culture always are the prerogative of the individual federal states, one might hope that the situation could be reversed in some years, and that it would suffice, for the moment, to keep a minimum of staff in place or some activities running. However, Berlin is so run down and still has to carry so much restoration of things neglected during communist era that this hope is premature.

We should deliberate here what could be done practically, and of course, also point out, to the authorities (not much hope, see above), so rather, accuse, wherever possible: what has been carried out here, is a *cultural* misdeed.

Can you imagine Germany's capital and largest city to be without the study of India, just when India is emerging globally?
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#6
I have sent my congratulatory letter to Berlin Indology department. if they want to learn Sanskrit, first come to India and learn from Indians.
These type of hate department had no place in civilized world.
#7
I have a slightly different suggestion on the matter. I am wondering if the wealthy NRIs/ RIs can indeed fund such programs but ensure with the clout of their money power that only pro-Hindu material and propaganda is churned out. They should make sure that before giving even a paisa the professors appointed to these programs are only going do pro-Hindu work and if they produce any anti-Hindu work their funding will be yanked. This is a model successfully deployed by some other minorities in the US. In general they should encourage those involved in manuscript preservation, critical edition and translation, but really not support "pseudo-research" type Indologists - like Herr Witz. Indologists should be screened for anti-Hinduism and given warnings followed by termination of funding if seen erring.
#8
A couple of observations:

1. This thread is very hard to find for us Indologists. V r trained in (well, forget that, I can't imagine anything in which we CAN even b trained), but anyway, v have little patience, like in "digging" at Harappa. When v find back end of donkey, v just scream "Ass!" not bothering to clarify whether we mean "donkey" or "back end".

2. It is good to note that Dr. Sudha Shenoy, Allah's Gift of a True Agreji-speaking Intellectual to Unwashed Indians like techies, has shown the way to save The Indology of the Tausend-Jahr Reich:

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IOW, Hell is to be elevated to the level of Houristan. THAT's what I call BRAINS! I am shocked to see the lack of attention by Indology admirers like "IRFFAN" to this MAJOR development. What is happening to Indology if even our FANS are not paying attention, I ask you?
#9
Some very interesting comments from a yahoogroup.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Friends,

I happen to consider that Western Indology has greatly stimulated our
knowledge of and understanding of Indian civilization, even as it has sought
time and again to squeeze it in a ridiculously narrow and dogmatic
framework. There have been many valuable studies of distortions introduced
by Indology, but there is one persistent line of distortion which I don't
recall being systematically explored. It is: "<i>Indians can't have done it --
they must have taken it from elsewhere.</i>"

In coming months, I intend to write a paper on this theme, in the course of
which I will highlight a few telling cases (this may become a small book
also). Below are a few preliminary examples. In some cases, the debate has
long been closed -- with the original bias always disproved -- while in
others it's going on despite accumulating evidence.

Mathematics
Indians can't have invented the Arabic numerals & the decimal place-value
system (Kaye et al.)
Indians can't have invented the geometry of the Shulba-Sutras, they took it
from the Greeks

Astronomy
Indians must have borrowed their astronomy from Mesopotamia & Greece
(Pingree et al.)
Indians can't have a tradition of astronomical observation (Keith et al.)
Aryabhata can't have observed the planets whose positions he gives (Pingree)

Prehistory
Indian agriculture can't have developed on its own (Renfrew)
Harappan civilization can't be indigenous, it took shape under Mesopotamian
influence
Harappan chariots can't have had spoked wheels (Witzel et al.)
The average Harappan can't have been literate
The Indus script can't have been a script at all (Farmer et al.)
Features of Harappan town-planning can't have found their way into
historical town-planning and/or Vastu Shastra (R. Thapar, Brighenti et al.)

History
Iron technology can't be indigenous
The Brahmi script can't have been indigenous (Bühler)
Indians can't have thought of stone inscriptions on their own
Indian art developed only under the Greek impulse

Education
Indians can't have had an extensive educational system of their own (British
rulers)

This is a rough and incomplete list. I would be grateful of some of you
could suggest other such cases, if possible with the main sources. I believe
the overall picture will be interesting as well as educational.

Regards,
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No wonder indology depts are crumbling under the weight of their own hubris. Any additions to this list of "<i>Indians can't have done it - they must have taken it from elsewhere.</i>"
#10
Darwin had come out with evolution and bible thumpers were in dire-straits, so they came up with this curious (and hilarious) claim -> yindoo polytheism evolves into semitic monotheism. Perhaps it can be added to the above list.
#11
<b>Indologists To HiNA: Pay Us 2 Spit On Ur Kids</b>
-<i>By Ari Saja</i>

Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/w2wzg
#12
Made my day.
Thanks Ari for great article.

#13
Indology must change with the times
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To understand the problem today it is necessary to visit its peculiar origins. Indology began with Sir William Jones' observation in 1784 that Sanskrit and European languages were related. Jones was a capable linguist but he was also responsible for interpreting Indian law and customs to his employers, the British East India Company. This dual role of Indologists as scholars as well as interpreters of India continued well into the 20th century.

Indologists' role as interpreters of India ended with independence in 1947, but many Indologists, especially in the West, failed to see it. They continued to get students from India, which seems to have lulled them into believing that it would be business as usual. But today, six decades later, Indian immigrants and persons of Indian origin occupy influential positions in business, industry and now the government in the U.S. and the U.K. They are now part of the establishment in their adopted lands. No one in the West today looks to Indology departments for advice on matters relating to India when they can get it from their next-door neighbour or an office colleague.
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