Post 87:
Ironic that Iranian government officials and islamic sounding characters are complaining, when they have willfully coordinated destruction of Persian historic and archaeological sites - because these sites were attracting the interest, admiration and love of too many Iranians who <i>ought</i> to be islamic.
The islamics have themselves lied about the Ancient Persians and turned them into monsters - no better than is depicted in this movie. This islamic denigration of Zoroastrian Persia started from the beginning and even today they still negate it at best or, more generally, invent spiteful lies about it to keep the Iranian youth from being interested in their true heritage.
If Iranian Zoroastrians (including reconverted youngsters) are the ones that are protesting against the film, then I support them completely.
But if it is islamic iranians, then I feel no sympathy for such hypocrites: people who are only whining because they now feel addressed when others slander an ancient empire and religious-culture; yet they have themselves been slandering it for ages.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifes...0,5636352.story
<b>'300' is declaration of war, some Iranians say of flick</b>
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertain...er/16899246.htm
<b>'300' has Iranians up in arms</b>
(Says Frank Miller wrote '300' in 1999)
http://www.metronews.ca/storyCP.aspx?pg=./e031334A.xml
<b>Iranians outraged over '300,' calling it an insult to ancient Persia </b>
No need for the Iranian ummah to get their islamic beards all tangled up. Their religion had had no hand in the Persian empire, civilisation, culture or accomplishments - that was all Zoroastrian achievement.
All islam did was to kill Persia and dance over its dead body. Now this movie wants to join them in the dance, thinking it's okay since the islamics have been doing it. Is that so hard to understand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Greek critic Dimitris Danikas suggested that the film showed Persians as "bloodthirsty, underdeveloped zombies," and went on to say, "They are stroking (sic) racist instincts in Europe and America."[63]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Danikas from Greece is right.
But his opinion doesn't count - even though he's a Greek, because don't ya know, the rest of the west has been fed to think they (that is, the rest of the west) are the inheritors of Greek civilisation (and as the self-proclaimed oryans, they even think they're the architects of Greek civilisation - not kiddin' ya); supposedly they - and not the Hellenes of today - are the 'real' Greeks. Ha ha. The laugh dies real quick as soon as you figure out they are serious - in my case, plain old nausea ensued. It reminded me of something. What was it - oh yeah, that's right: the oryan fable - the oryans who did mighty, mighty things in India but were unable to duplicate it outside India, Persia and the Mediterranean (it's not the oryans' fault, I blame the climate).
If someone was going to make a film of the Illiad for the international market, with <i>Greek</i> actors - then the world would end. What? They are not Anglo-Saxons playing Greeks, but actual Greeks (playing their own ancestors)?! The actors aren't going to be handpicked from those among them who look the most Anglo-Saxon? Gasp!
Not on your life, that would be the greatest blasphemy. That would, like, throw into disarray the delicately-crafted self-perceptions of the west! You wouldn't steal a pacifier from a baby, would you?
Britain: 'Greece's Elgin Marbles belong to us! Since we are the ones who got the Ancient Greek spirit.' (<!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't ask me to explain the 'logic' behind this, I am still stuck trying to chew through the oryan chronicles - which I now suspect is an inedible item, by the way)
http://www.omogenia.com/forums/showflat.ph...9446/Main/16386
From Greek Forums Omogenia -
One person:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And then, to add insult to injury, Melina Mercury asks for the 'Elgin Marbles' to be rightfully returned to its rightful owners, the Athenians, the people who created them in the first place, and the British respond (is it any wonder?): Oh no, we couldn't possibly return something that does not belong to you any more<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Someone else:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The British are not only responsible for the loss of the Elgian marbles but also for the loss of Constantinople, our grandfathers and great grandfathers pushed the turks back into asia minor in the 20's and were told by the brits to not fire a shot in Istanbull ( I hate that freakin name) and continue on their way into Turkey, the Greeks took the brits at their word..huge mistake, the brits make it sound like they are the noblest of people when they are one of the worst barbarians ever, in my opinion they give attila the hun a run for his money but thats another topic. The Greek army decided to by pass Constantinople because they thought they had the British on their side and continued pushing the turks past Ankara, I've actually talked to Greek men who had fought during that time, and remembering how far into Asia Minor they had pushed into. The sad part is they were told to stop once they got so far and then never told anything else, they waited for three months...during the cold months...freezing, wet and getting sick by the hundreds. I was told that they were told by their officers there was to be no harming women and children and pretty much obeyed otherwise severe punishment would be in order. After several months of not being told anything they started to hear rumours the war was over and started to disband...RUNNING to get home, like most of us Greeks we are drawn to our homeland. They never realized the Brits had an other agenda for them to not capture Istanbull, personally I think the brits were thinking how far can they really get, not realizing the spirit of the young greek soldiers who were fighting after 360 plus years under the ottoman empire. When it was all said and done, the British said that Constantinople belonged to Turkey. It was at that time Greece should have decided to go back and capture, but after years of fighting one can not blame them not wanting to go back to war.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Colonial Brits did this to everyone. The bullying-baton has passed onto another country now - though it was not willingly surrendered.
Ironic that Iranian government officials and islamic sounding characters are complaining, when they have willfully coordinated destruction of Persian historic and archaeological sites - because these sites were attracting the interest, admiration and love of too many Iranians who <i>ought</i> to be islamic.
The islamics have themselves lied about the Ancient Persians and turned them into monsters - no better than is depicted in this movie. This islamic denigration of Zoroastrian Persia started from the beginning and even today they still negate it at best or, more generally, invent spiteful lies about it to keep the Iranian youth from being interested in their true heritage.
If Iranian Zoroastrians (including reconverted youngsters) are the ones that are protesting against the film, then I support them completely.
But if it is islamic iranians, then I feel no sympathy for such hypocrites: people who are only whining because they now feel addressed when others slander an ancient empire and religious-culture; yet they have themselves been slandering it for ages.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifes...0,5636352.story
<b>'300' is declaration of war, some Iranians say of flick</b>
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertain...er/16899246.htm
<b>'300' has Iranians up in arms</b>
(Says Frank Miller wrote '300' in 1999)
http://www.metronews.ca/storyCP.aspx?pg=./e031334A.xml
<b>Iranians outraged over '300,' calling it an insult to ancient Persia </b>
No need for the Iranian ummah to get their islamic beards all tangled up. Their religion had had no hand in the Persian empire, civilisation, culture or accomplishments - that was all Zoroastrian achievement.
All islam did was to kill Persia and dance over its dead body. Now this movie wants to join them in the dance, thinking it's okay since the islamics have been doing it. Is that so hard to understand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Greek critic Dimitris Danikas suggested that the film showed Persians as "bloodthirsty, underdeveloped zombies," and went on to say, "They are stroking (sic) racist instincts in Europe and America."[63]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Danikas from Greece is right.
But his opinion doesn't count - even though he's a Greek, because don't ya know, the rest of the west has been fed to think they (that is, the rest of the west) are the inheritors of Greek civilisation (and as the self-proclaimed oryans, they even think they're the architects of Greek civilisation - not kiddin' ya); supposedly they - and not the Hellenes of today - are the 'real' Greeks. Ha ha. The laugh dies real quick as soon as you figure out they are serious - in my case, plain old nausea ensued. It reminded me of something. What was it - oh yeah, that's right: the oryan fable - the oryans who did mighty, mighty things in India but were unable to duplicate it outside India, Persia and the Mediterranean (it's not the oryans' fault, I blame the climate).
If someone was going to make a film of the Illiad for the international market, with <i>Greek</i> actors - then the world would end. What? They are not Anglo-Saxons playing Greeks, but actual Greeks (playing their own ancestors)?! The actors aren't going to be handpicked from those among them who look the most Anglo-Saxon? Gasp!
Not on your life, that would be the greatest blasphemy. That would, like, throw into disarray the delicately-crafted self-perceptions of the west! You wouldn't steal a pacifier from a baby, would you?
Britain: 'Greece's Elgin Marbles belong to us! Since we are the ones who got the Ancient Greek spirit.' (<!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't ask me to explain the 'logic' behind this, I am still stuck trying to chew through the oryan chronicles - which I now suspect is an inedible item, by the way)
http://www.omogenia.com/forums/showflat.ph...9446/Main/16386
From Greek Forums Omogenia -
One person:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And then, to add insult to injury, Melina Mercury asks for the 'Elgin Marbles' to be rightfully returned to its rightful owners, the Athenians, the people who created them in the first place, and the British respond (is it any wonder?): Oh no, we couldn't possibly return something that does not belong to you any more<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Someone else:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The British are not only responsible for the loss of the Elgian marbles but also for the loss of Constantinople, our grandfathers and great grandfathers pushed the turks back into asia minor in the 20's and were told by the brits to not fire a shot in Istanbull ( I hate that freakin name) and continue on their way into Turkey, the Greeks took the brits at their word..huge mistake, the brits make it sound like they are the noblest of people when they are one of the worst barbarians ever, in my opinion they give attila the hun a run for his money but thats another topic. The Greek army decided to by pass Constantinople because they thought they had the British on their side and continued pushing the turks past Ankara, I've actually talked to Greek men who had fought during that time, and remembering how far into Asia Minor they had pushed into. The sad part is they were told to stop once they got so far and then never told anything else, they waited for three months...during the cold months...freezing, wet and getting sick by the hundreds. I was told that they were told by their officers there was to be no harming women and children and pretty much obeyed otherwise severe punishment would be in order. After several months of not being told anything they started to hear rumours the war was over and started to disband...RUNNING to get home, like most of us Greeks we are drawn to our homeland. They never realized the Brits had an other agenda for them to not capture Istanbull, personally I think the brits were thinking how far can they really get, not realizing the spirit of the young greek soldiers who were fighting after 360 plus years under the ottoman empire. When it was all said and done, the British said that Constantinople belonged to Turkey. It was at that time Greece should have decided to go back and capture, but after years of fighting one can not blame them not wanting to go back to war.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Colonial Brits did this to everyone. The bullying-baton has passed onto another country now - though it was not willingly surrendered.