Post 106:
Thanks for the explanation. A few more questions - ignore if they're a bore:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you willing to concede that Buddhist teaching was present with the Greek Therapeutae before Indic monks made the trek there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I thought I read that the Therapeutae were a Buddhist conclave in Greece. Not Greeks who had Buddhist influences, but real <i>practising</i> Buddhists. (Moreover, I was under the impression that they were Indian or even westeren Afghan by ethnicity, but ethnically Greek is at least as possible I guess.) So that's not the case? Did I misread/misunderstand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the coalition of thieves that is the abrahamic religions, they will knowingly or unknowingly strengthen each others' hands, at least against the common enemy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only common enemies for Jewish people are the ideologies that have regularly led to their genocide: christianity and islam. I don't know to what extent they are affected by communism today, but communist Russia thanks to its christo conditioning murdered huge numbers of Jews too. So their enemies by this straightforward calculation are the same as those of every other non-christoislamicommunist people.
It's unfortunate therefore that the convenient phrase 'Abrahamic religions' automatically includes them. Replacing it with the more particular 'christoislamism', and I see your point.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims have a peculiar brand of rhetoric which they pull up from time to time, that is: the Muslim as the "protector of Asia". ... A side effect of this film is the intensification of this type of rhetoric among the muslims.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Your meaning, then, is that the movie is further fanning the flames of anti-pagan sentiments in the islamics by re-inforcing the feeling - which they already entertain - about having a grand and special role in Asia? (They have a special role alright: the scourge of Asia, similar to what christianity has been to western nations.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What they (Ancient Greeks) did end up exporting was christianity..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->As per Joseph McCabe, who is knowledgeable on this matter, christianity started catching on in the eastern parts of the Roman empire: Syria mostly; and Armenia I think it was. Not Greece. It was the brainwashed amongst the Syrians that spread the meme that wiped out Greco-Roman civilisation. Of course one can't blame Syrians in general for it, it's a catchy meme apparently, but the Greeks are not in any way to blame for that one.
Thank goodness. I found it. See here - http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.htm :
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Christians were mainly in the ignorant east, especially Asia Minor (which had a larger population then than now) and Armenia. Antioch</b> was the greatest city of the east, and it had half a million inhabitants. Its famous bishop and orator, St. John Chrysostom, tells us that he had in it one hundred thousand followers about the year 385. This was after seventy years of imperial favor, under the fanatically Christian Emperor Theodosius and the greatest orator of the Christian world. I would add that the figure is (as religious writers forget to say) a mere guess. What John really says, in a sermon in which he has every reason to exaggerate, is: "I believe we reach the number of a hundred thousand." In any case, we can safely assume that seventy years earlier even at Antioch, the heart of eastern Christendom, there were not more than fifty thousand Christians.
In short, it is liberal to grant, in the year 310, three million nominal Christians amongst the hundred millions of the Roman Empire; and the persecution had driven most of these back to the temples. Moreover, <b>the vast majority were in rural Armenia (to which Schultze assigns no less than two million out of his three million seven hundred and fifty thousand), Syria, and Asia Minor</b>. The gospel, after nearly three centuries of propaganda, was a failure.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think that absolves the Greeks.
Thanks for the explanation. A few more questions - ignore if they're a bore:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you willing to concede that Buddhist teaching was present with the Greek Therapeutae before Indic monks made the trek there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I thought I read that the Therapeutae were a Buddhist conclave in Greece. Not Greeks who had Buddhist influences, but real <i>practising</i> Buddhists. (Moreover, I was under the impression that they were Indian or even westeren Afghan by ethnicity, but ethnically Greek is at least as possible I guess.) So that's not the case? Did I misread/misunderstand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the coalition of thieves that is the abrahamic religions, they will knowingly or unknowingly strengthen each others' hands, at least against the common enemy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only common enemies for Jewish people are the ideologies that have regularly led to their genocide: christianity and islam. I don't know to what extent they are affected by communism today, but communist Russia thanks to its christo conditioning murdered huge numbers of Jews too. So their enemies by this straightforward calculation are the same as those of every other non-christoislamicommunist people.
It's unfortunate therefore that the convenient phrase 'Abrahamic religions' automatically includes them. Replacing it with the more particular 'christoislamism', and I see your point.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims have a peculiar brand of rhetoric which they pull up from time to time, that is: the Muslim as the "protector of Asia". ... A side effect of this film is the intensification of this type of rhetoric among the muslims.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Your meaning, then, is that the movie is further fanning the flames of anti-pagan sentiments in the islamics by re-inforcing the feeling - which they already entertain - about having a grand and special role in Asia? (They have a special role alright: the scourge of Asia, similar to what christianity has been to western nations.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What they (Ancient Greeks) did end up exporting was christianity..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->As per Joseph McCabe, who is knowledgeable on this matter, christianity started catching on in the eastern parts of the Roman empire: Syria mostly; and Armenia I think it was. Not Greece. It was the brainwashed amongst the Syrians that spread the meme that wiped out Greco-Roman civilisation. Of course one can't blame Syrians in general for it, it's a catchy meme apparently, but the Greeks are not in any way to blame for that one.
Thank goodness. I found it. See here - http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.htm :
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Christians were mainly in the ignorant east, especially Asia Minor (which had a larger population then than now) and Armenia. Antioch</b> was the greatest city of the east, and it had half a million inhabitants. Its famous bishop and orator, St. John Chrysostom, tells us that he had in it one hundred thousand followers about the year 385. This was after seventy years of imperial favor, under the fanatically Christian Emperor Theodosius and the greatest orator of the Christian world. I would add that the figure is (as religious writers forget to say) a mere guess. What John really says, in a sermon in which he has every reason to exaggerate, is: "I believe we reach the number of a hundred thousand." In any case, we can safely assume that seventy years earlier even at Antioch, the heart of eastern Christendom, there were not more than fifty thousand Christians.
In short, it is liberal to grant, in the year 310, three million nominal Christians amongst the hundred millions of the Roman Empire; and the persecution had driven most of these back to the temples. Moreover, <b>the vast majority were in rural Armenia (to which Schultze assigns no less than two million out of his three million seven hundred and fifty thousand), Syria, and Asia Minor</b>. The gospel, after nearly three centuries of propaganda, was a failure.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think that absolves the Greeks.