B Walker writes (in the article of post 114):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>OTHER CULTURAL CURIOSITIES</b>
[...]
Doggie Marriage. No analysis of the subcontinent's colorful culture would be complete without mention of canine-human nuptials. In certain ethnic groups, a child whose first tooth appears inauspiciously located in the mouth is married off to a protective canine<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, the wondrous discriminating eye of the western taxonomist - did you hear that? We're all 'different ethnic groups' in India.... To them, we're either Oryans and Dravidoids or we're a million little ethnic groups dotting the countryside. How dare the Hindoos presume to be a single ethnic group: united though we are since ancient times by a common spiritual heritage (Sanatana Dharma), civilisational ethos, cultural base, and a common Father Language (but with different Mother Languages). This is what defines an ethnicity: shared history, culture, common language. And we have that. We Hindoos may be heathens to Brenda Walker's bigoted eyes but we're one ethnic group (allowing for subethnicities to express local variety). Brenda should stop her subtle racism and stop using 'ethnicity' as 'race'. Say what you mean or don't say it at all.
So now we're supposed to be 'embarrassed' that some Hindu communities temporarily marry kids off to a protective canine? I'm actually rather pleased about that. Dogs are very protective and friendly animals, the kid will learn to respect the creature and learn its good qualities at a young age. What a lovely tradition. And I am certain that with the wondrous magic power animals have, the dog will ward off any evil that may befall a child. Native Americans have totem animals - their spiritual animal guides. We have this. Brenda can laugh on her own (or with similar-minded W-European Caucasian friends of hers) at us 'savages', but it doesn't make me any less thrilled about our traditions and ways of life. I think she is confused. Instead of getting to us to feel embarassed with this little example, she's starting to make me even happier to be Hindu.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Orissa, a woman became connubially attached to a cobra out of affection, it was reported.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->'Oh those funny Hindoos,' said the christian colonial. 'Marrying the evil serpent = devil. May jesus open their eyes'. Snakes are sacred animals, and considered Gods. Nagas are the spirits of the Snake Gods worshipped all over ancient India. (Naga is also a name of an Indian community.) If this Hindu woman wanted to spend the rest of her life with this cobra because she loved it, what does it matter? There are many stories of native N Americans marrying sacred bears or Japanese Shintos marrying sacred garden Kamis. Brenda is laughing on her own again. Playing western anthropologist no doubt: 'studying' those 'funny' other cultures to laugh at them. Laugh away.
The Indian woman's affection is hers to give, and if she chooses a Cobra to give it to, that is her business. There are many w-European American women married to abusive men - monsters in the shape of man - who the abused woman will not leave because of her misplaced love. No one laughs at them (I will not), but it is a far more curious and surprising thing than a woman marrying a Cobra who is not cruel to her and with which she feels an affinity.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In another curious wedding, a teenaged boy married a hill in Jharkand state to remove a curse from his mother.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Same thing. And the problem lies where exactly? What is wrong with marrying a Hill or a Tree or a River? All these things, as are animals, are considered sacred and auspicious by Hindus. In this way they are regarded as having the power to remove curses and bring good fortune.
At least Hills, Trees and Waters exist. Nuns - the brides of christ - are married to the long-dead jesus as per christian accounts (or long undead, if we take into account the fabled 'resurrection'). In fact, jesus appears to have been very much non-existent according to scholarship. So who must we be laughing at again?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Froggie Marriage etc. When drought strikes, the thing to do may be to invoke a higher power by marrying off a couple of toads with appropriate flourish to propitiate the rain gods.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Does she mean marrying toads to each other or marrying themselves off to a couple of toads? Still not clear. If the latter:
This one will be somewhat closer to home to B Walker. Her names sounds English, she must know the fairy-tale "Der Froschkoenig" - known in English as the 'Frog Prince'. I'll summarise: princess drops golden ball in pond, frog says he will get it for her if she promises to drink from the same beker and eat from the same plate and sleep in the same bed with him and gives him a goodnight kiss. Princess promises, frog gets her the ball, princess runs off. Frog slowly follows. He finds her and reminds her in public of her promise. The noble king tells his daughter to keep her word. The princess unwillingly does all those things and kisses the frog goodnight at which point he turns into a prince who it seems had been enchanted.
Note there's nothing obscene in the frog's request - sharing a bed merely meant she admits it as a husband, princesses don't make room for any other. Even if the Freudian-addicts/'scholars' typically read all kinds of icky stuff into this as they do into all fairy tales, one may dismiss it as being due to their eye for sordid imaginings.
My point? (I know scholars say most fairy tales come from India, but Der Froschkoenig has long been widely known in Germany and E Europe and other countries. So it is not alien to the western-European psyche.)
So then, here's the reason I brought up the Frog Prince: the father of the princess wanted his daughter to keep her word at a point when neither he nor any one else suspected the frog may be a human. The princess (unwillingly) kept her word at a point when no one knew it was human. She had in fact admitted a frog as spouse (in some versions the frog asks her to additionally promise to call him darling/dear). And no one snubs the story, but instead everyone thinks she did the right thing in keeping her promise. That is the useful thing one gets out of the story.
B Walker feels it necessary to critique the actions of people she doesn't know, will never meet, and who are in no way miserable for the temporary marriage they've contracted. Then are we to prepare ourselves for her complaint against the 'immorality' of repeating stories like The Frog Prince or Beauty and the Beast (or the Scandinavian fairy-tale 'East of the Sun, West of the Moon' where a princess marries a Polar Bear) to children - tales which are still narrated in Europe. B Walker no doubt puts on a sour face - if she doesn't sue anyone for it - whenever she hears of those stories being told to children as if they were/could be true. She wouldn't hypocritically find them merely 'charming' while she finds us to be laughable 'curiosities', oh no, she'd never. She'd be <i>consistent</i>. Yeah, right.
I think those w-European Caucasians who share the same mindset with B Walker are funny. They're hypocrites, but funny hypocrites. Their powers for self-delusion are limitless, as is their holier-than-thou attitude. Thankfully they're a rarity in the overall western culture, but are a strange curiosity nevertheless. I say we should study them.
<b>For those easily disgusted or otherwise sensitive, avoid the following - it is not a pleasant read by any means, but I will add it:</b>
Here's something disgusting that B Walker left out. As momentary Sewer Inspector of the west, I am allowed to mention it.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/dutch-ped...6817133451.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Dutch pedophile party seeks support for election</b>
September 2, 2006 - 10:48AM
A political party formed by Dutch pedophiles tried today to win more support for its campaign to legalise sex with children so it can run in national elections in November.
The Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD) was launched in May and its campaign for a cut in the age of consent from 16 to 12 and the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals has provoked widespread outrage in the Netherlands.
Party officials said they had gathered more than 100 signatures so far but needed to collect several hundred more in the next month to be allowed to run in the November 22 general election.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The rest of the article is just too much for me and has made me sick. Read it if you think you can stomache it.
B Walker and her mental compatriots should read it in its entirety. In the heartland of her holy W-European Empire the members of a <i>paedophile</i> party are getting signatures for legalising paedophilia <i>and</i> assaulting animals, and cops haven't even arrested these vile villains yet. <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> Then again, the haven of paodophiles that is the Church hasn't been raided either.
Meanwhile Walker felt it necessary to mention one Indian (living in the US) over and over again for his sexual exploitation of young girls. She forgot a whole political party in the Netherlands, and - far more importantly - she forgot that Prime Institution of Holy Morals and Sacred Decency: the Christian Church.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>OTHER CULTURAL CURIOSITIES</b>
[...]
Doggie Marriage. No analysis of the subcontinent's colorful culture would be complete without mention of canine-human nuptials. In certain ethnic groups, a child whose first tooth appears inauspiciously located in the mouth is married off to a protective canine<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, the wondrous discriminating eye of the western taxonomist - did you hear that? We're all 'different ethnic groups' in India.... To them, we're either Oryans and Dravidoids or we're a million little ethnic groups dotting the countryside. How dare the Hindoos presume to be a single ethnic group: united though we are since ancient times by a common spiritual heritage (Sanatana Dharma), civilisational ethos, cultural base, and a common Father Language (but with different Mother Languages). This is what defines an ethnicity: shared history, culture, common language. And we have that. We Hindoos may be heathens to Brenda Walker's bigoted eyes but we're one ethnic group (allowing for subethnicities to express local variety). Brenda should stop her subtle racism and stop using 'ethnicity' as 'race'. Say what you mean or don't say it at all.
So now we're supposed to be 'embarrassed' that some Hindu communities temporarily marry kids off to a protective canine? I'm actually rather pleased about that. Dogs are very protective and friendly animals, the kid will learn to respect the creature and learn its good qualities at a young age. What a lovely tradition. And I am certain that with the wondrous magic power animals have, the dog will ward off any evil that may befall a child. Native Americans have totem animals - their spiritual animal guides. We have this. Brenda can laugh on her own (or with similar-minded W-European Caucasian friends of hers) at us 'savages', but it doesn't make me any less thrilled about our traditions and ways of life. I think she is confused. Instead of getting to us to feel embarassed with this little example, she's starting to make me even happier to be Hindu.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Orissa, a woman became connubially attached to a cobra out of affection, it was reported.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->'Oh those funny Hindoos,' said the christian colonial. 'Marrying the evil serpent = devil. May jesus open their eyes'. Snakes are sacred animals, and considered Gods. Nagas are the spirits of the Snake Gods worshipped all over ancient India. (Naga is also a name of an Indian community.) If this Hindu woman wanted to spend the rest of her life with this cobra because she loved it, what does it matter? There are many stories of native N Americans marrying sacred bears or Japanese Shintos marrying sacred garden Kamis. Brenda is laughing on her own again. Playing western anthropologist no doubt: 'studying' those 'funny' other cultures to laugh at them. Laugh away.
The Indian woman's affection is hers to give, and if she chooses a Cobra to give it to, that is her business. There are many w-European American women married to abusive men - monsters in the shape of man - who the abused woman will not leave because of her misplaced love. No one laughs at them (I will not), but it is a far more curious and surprising thing than a woman marrying a Cobra who is not cruel to her and with which she feels an affinity.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In another curious wedding, a teenaged boy married a hill in Jharkand state to remove a curse from his mother.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Same thing. And the problem lies where exactly? What is wrong with marrying a Hill or a Tree or a River? All these things, as are animals, are considered sacred and auspicious by Hindus. In this way they are regarded as having the power to remove curses and bring good fortune.
At least Hills, Trees and Waters exist. Nuns - the brides of christ - are married to the long-dead jesus as per christian accounts (or long undead, if we take into account the fabled 'resurrection'). In fact, jesus appears to have been very much non-existent according to scholarship. So who must we be laughing at again?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Froggie Marriage etc. When drought strikes, the thing to do may be to invoke a higher power by marrying off a couple of toads with appropriate flourish to propitiate the rain gods.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Does she mean marrying toads to each other or marrying themselves off to a couple of toads? Still not clear. If the latter:
This one will be somewhat closer to home to B Walker. Her names sounds English, she must know the fairy-tale "Der Froschkoenig" - known in English as the 'Frog Prince'. I'll summarise: princess drops golden ball in pond, frog says he will get it for her if she promises to drink from the same beker and eat from the same plate and sleep in the same bed with him and gives him a goodnight kiss. Princess promises, frog gets her the ball, princess runs off. Frog slowly follows. He finds her and reminds her in public of her promise. The noble king tells his daughter to keep her word. The princess unwillingly does all those things and kisses the frog goodnight at which point he turns into a prince who it seems had been enchanted.
Note there's nothing obscene in the frog's request - sharing a bed merely meant she admits it as a husband, princesses don't make room for any other. Even if the Freudian-addicts/'scholars' typically read all kinds of icky stuff into this as they do into all fairy tales, one may dismiss it as being due to their eye for sordid imaginings.
My point? (I know scholars say most fairy tales come from India, but Der Froschkoenig has long been widely known in Germany and E Europe and other countries. So it is not alien to the western-European psyche.)
So then, here's the reason I brought up the Frog Prince: the father of the princess wanted his daughter to keep her word at a point when neither he nor any one else suspected the frog may be a human. The princess (unwillingly) kept her word at a point when no one knew it was human. She had in fact admitted a frog as spouse (in some versions the frog asks her to additionally promise to call him darling/dear). And no one snubs the story, but instead everyone thinks she did the right thing in keeping her promise. That is the useful thing one gets out of the story.
B Walker feels it necessary to critique the actions of people she doesn't know, will never meet, and who are in no way miserable for the temporary marriage they've contracted. Then are we to prepare ourselves for her complaint against the 'immorality' of repeating stories like The Frog Prince or Beauty and the Beast (or the Scandinavian fairy-tale 'East of the Sun, West of the Moon' where a princess marries a Polar Bear) to children - tales which are still narrated in Europe. B Walker no doubt puts on a sour face - if she doesn't sue anyone for it - whenever she hears of those stories being told to children as if they were/could be true. She wouldn't hypocritically find them merely 'charming' while she finds us to be laughable 'curiosities', oh no, she'd never. She'd be <i>consistent</i>. Yeah, right.
I think those w-European Caucasians who share the same mindset with B Walker are funny. They're hypocrites, but funny hypocrites. Their powers for self-delusion are limitless, as is their holier-than-thou attitude. Thankfully they're a rarity in the overall western culture, but are a strange curiosity nevertheless. I say we should study them.
<b>For those easily disgusted or otherwise sensitive, avoid the following - it is not a pleasant read by any means, but I will add it:</b>
Here's something disgusting that B Walker left out. As momentary Sewer Inspector of the west, I am allowed to mention it.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/dutch-ped...6817133451.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Dutch pedophile party seeks support for election</b>
September 2, 2006 - 10:48AM
A political party formed by Dutch pedophiles tried today to win more support for its campaign to legalise sex with children so it can run in national elections in November.
The Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD) was launched in May and its campaign for a cut in the age of consent from 16 to 12 and the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals has provoked widespread outrage in the Netherlands.
Party officials said they had gathered more than 100 signatures so far but needed to collect several hundred more in the next month to be allowed to run in the November 22 general election.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The rest of the article is just too much for me and has made me sick. Read it if you think you can stomache it.
B Walker and her mental compatriots should read it in its entirety. In the heartland of her holy W-European Empire the members of a <i>paedophile</i> party are getting signatures for legalising paedophilia <i>and</i> assaulting animals, and cops haven't even arrested these vile villains yet. <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> Then again, the haven of paodophiles that is the Church hasn't been raided either.
Meanwhile Walker felt it necessary to mention one Indian (living in the US) over and over again for his sexual exploitation of young girls. She forgot a whole political party in the Netherlands, and - far more importantly - she forgot that Prime Institution of Holy Morals and Sacred Decency: the Christian Church.