12-31-2007, 03:19 AM
Thapar father was a useless person and same is his son, total useless.
His mother's brother Gautam Sahgal was married to Nayantara Sahgal, the second of the three daughters born to Jawaharlal Nehru's sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit. Sahgal, who has been married twice, was latterly married to E.N. Mangat Rai, a Punjabi Christian who was a distinguished Indian Civil Service officer.
During Morarji Desaiâs short premiership, Nayantara Sehgal (Mrs Vijay Lakshmi Panditâs daughter) was offered Ambassadorship to Rome, including the Vatican, provided she married Mangat Rai with whom she was living after both had divorced their spouses. She married Mangat Rai and was ready to leave for Italy when Morarji Desaiâs government fell and Indira Gandhi returned to power. The first thing Mrs Gandhi did was to cancel Nayantaraâs appointment as Ambassador and then she sidelined her husband by refusing to make him full Secretary and forced him to retire. Mrs Gandhi was a very vindictive woman; she loathed her aunt and all her family.
(The affair of Mangatrai, then Punjab Chief Secretary, with novelist Nayantara Sehgal kept tongues wagging for years. Ultimately, it led to divorce and his premature retirement from the civil service. He now lives in Dehradun with Nayantara.)
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The troubling fact is that, though no one in India has ever accused Manekshaw of being a traitor, many have been jealous of his rise through the 1960s. The Army Headquarters in the 1960s was virtually divided into two groups, as has been brought out in the various accounts of the 1962 and 1965 operations. Nehru's defence minister Krishna Menon was grooming his own coterie, the most prominent among whom was B.M. Kaul whom he appointed commander of IV corps in the east. Menon also appointed the pliable Gen. P.N. Thapar to succeed K.S. Thimayya (whom Menon hated) as Army chief.
Thimayya's favourites-mainly Lt-Gen. S.P.P. Thorat, J.N. Choudhuri and Manekshaw-were sidelined during the Thapar-Kaul days. Thorat, who was a contender for the chief's post against Thapar, retired as a lieutenant-general. Thapar and Kaul also tried to block Manekshaw's promotion by instituting a frivolous inquiry against him.
The fortunes of Choudhuri and Manekshaw looked up after the Thapar-Kaul duo goofed up the 1962 war. Thapar resigned forthwith, and was succeeded as chief by Choudhuri. Thapar later managed an ambassadorship in Afghanistan. It is said, Thapar's Kabul appointment papers were the last papers signed by Nehru. Kaul had to quit in disgrace; he was succeeded by Manekshaw as IV corps commander.
Thapar largely kept quiet with his ambassadorship, but Kaul could not be quietened. He wrote two books, both of which he used for taking potshots at Choudhuri and Manekshaw.
One charge against Kaul then was that he had never commanded a battalion. Kaul's reply in his book The Untold Story is that so didn't Manekshaw. Kaul's hatred for Manekshaw is clear even in the account where he says Manekshaw was building quarters for soldiers in Jammu, though he had not agreed to the proposal. "He 'acquiesced', instead of refusing to let his troops build, and had taken to it like a duck to water, bidding adieu to his aversions on the subject."
Kaul's second book, Confrontation with Pakistan, was about the 1965 war, now referred to by Gohar. Since Kaul had little to say about Choudhuri and Manekshaw's conduct during the 1965 war, he refers to them in the context of the 1948 Kashmir war, when Sir Roy Bucher was the commander-in-chief; Choudhuri his DMO and Manekshaw the latter's staff officer. Kaul refers to them as Bucher's men and "both served their master well in key appointments at army headquarters, running the Kashmir war between them. Bucher was Manekshaw's guest in the chief of army staff's house in Delhi for quite sometime (with government permission) early in 1970."
Kaul's boss Thapar has not expressed his antipathy towards Manekshaw in public, but he was known to be Menon's favourite for being pliable. (Menon hated Manekshaw who told him that he would not give any opinion about his chief Thimayya whom also Menon hated.) As D.R. Mankekar wrote in The Guilty Men of 1962, "it was apparent that General Thapar's greatest qualification for the post of the chief of army staff was his malleability-unlike Thorat whom Menon considered 'uppity'. Menon hoped that a man with such unspectacular service record would be beholden to him for being made the army chief and eat out of his hands." During his tenure, Thapar is said to have deliberately-or on instructions from Menon-sidelined Manekshaw. But even Menon found Thapar useless. So much so that once Menon remarked to Mankekar that Thapar did not even know the places in NEFA.
Anyway, Thapar has the distinction of being the only Army chief who had to quit in disgrace. And Manekshaw has the distinction of having been the most successful chief ever.
What many Army officers want to know is: <b>Why is General P.N. Thapar's son now interviewing people who are willing to throw dirt on Manekshaw</b>?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If anything happens to Modi, Vinod Mehta and Karan Thapar should be arrested ASAP. Actually they should be behind bar now.
Think about if same comments somebody write for Gandhi family, all these lowlife so-called moron journalist will be screaming from roof top for international investigation, ban RSS, VHP, BJP.
HT should be closed down for ever.
His mother's brother Gautam Sahgal was married to Nayantara Sahgal, the second of the three daughters born to Jawaharlal Nehru's sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit. Sahgal, who has been married twice, was latterly married to E.N. Mangat Rai, a Punjabi Christian who was a distinguished Indian Civil Service officer.
During Morarji Desaiâs short premiership, Nayantara Sehgal (Mrs Vijay Lakshmi Panditâs daughter) was offered Ambassadorship to Rome, including the Vatican, provided she married Mangat Rai with whom she was living after both had divorced their spouses. She married Mangat Rai and was ready to leave for Italy when Morarji Desaiâs government fell and Indira Gandhi returned to power. The first thing Mrs Gandhi did was to cancel Nayantaraâs appointment as Ambassador and then she sidelined her husband by refusing to make him full Secretary and forced him to retire. Mrs Gandhi was a very vindictive woman; she loathed her aunt and all her family.
(The affair of Mangatrai, then Punjab Chief Secretary, with novelist Nayantara Sehgal kept tongues wagging for years. Ultimately, it led to divorce and his premature retirement from the civil service. He now lives in Dehradun with Nayantara.)
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The troubling fact is that, though no one in India has ever accused Manekshaw of being a traitor, many have been jealous of his rise through the 1960s. The Army Headquarters in the 1960s was virtually divided into two groups, as has been brought out in the various accounts of the 1962 and 1965 operations. Nehru's defence minister Krishna Menon was grooming his own coterie, the most prominent among whom was B.M. Kaul whom he appointed commander of IV corps in the east. Menon also appointed the pliable Gen. P.N. Thapar to succeed K.S. Thimayya (whom Menon hated) as Army chief.
Thimayya's favourites-mainly Lt-Gen. S.P.P. Thorat, J.N. Choudhuri and Manekshaw-were sidelined during the Thapar-Kaul days. Thorat, who was a contender for the chief's post against Thapar, retired as a lieutenant-general. Thapar and Kaul also tried to block Manekshaw's promotion by instituting a frivolous inquiry against him.
The fortunes of Choudhuri and Manekshaw looked up after the Thapar-Kaul duo goofed up the 1962 war. Thapar resigned forthwith, and was succeeded as chief by Choudhuri. Thapar later managed an ambassadorship in Afghanistan. It is said, Thapar's Kabul appointment papers were the last papers signed by Nehru. Kaul had to quit in disgrace; he was succeeded by Manekshaw as IV corps commander.
Thapar largely kept quiet with his ambassadorship, but Kaul could not be quietened. He wrote two books, both of which he used for taking potshots at Choudhuri and Manekshaw.
One charge against Kaul then was that he had never commanded a battalion. Kaul's reply in his book The Untold Story is that so didn't Manekshaw. Kaul's hatred for Manekshaw is clear even in the account where he says Manekshaw was building quarters for soldiers in Jammu, though he had not agreed to the proposal. "He 'acquiesced', instead of refusing to let his troops build, and had taken to it like a duck to water, bidding adieu to his aversions on the subject."
Kaul's second book, Confrontation with Pakistan, was about the 1965 war, now referred to by Gohar. Since Kaul had little to say about Choudhuri and Manekshaw's conduct during the 1965 war, he refers to them in the context of the 1948 Kashmir war, when Sir Roy Bucher was the commander-in-chief; Choudhuri his DMO and Manekshaw the latter's staff officer. Kaul refers to them as Bucher's men and "both served their master well in key appointments at army headquarters, running the Kashmir war between them. Bucher was Manekshaw's guest in the chief of army staff's house in Delhi for quite sometime (with government permission) early in 1970."
Kaul's boss Thapar has not expressed his antipathy towards Manekshaw in public, but he was known to be Menon's favourite for being pliable. (Menon hated Manekshaw who told him that he would not give any opinion about his chief Thimayya whom also Menon hated.) As D.R. Mankekar wrote in The Guilty Men of 1962, "it was apparent that General Thapar's greatest qualification for the post of the chief of army staff was his malleability-unlike Thorat whom Menon considered 'uppity'. Menon hoped that a man with such unspectacular service record would be beholden to him for being made the army chief and eat out of his hands." During his tenure, Thapar is said to have deliberately-or on instructions from Menon-sidelined Manekshaw. But even Menon found Thapar useless. So much so that once Menon remarked to Mankekar that Thapar did not even know the places in NEFA.
Anyway, Thapar has the distinction of being the only Army chief who had to quit in disgrace. And Manekshaw has the distinction of having been the most successful chief ever.
What many Army officers want to know is: <b>Why is General P.N. Thapar's son now interviewing people who are willing to throw dirt on Manekshaw</b>?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If anything happens to Modi, Vinod Mehta and Karan Thapar should be arrested ASAP. Actually they should be behind bar now.
Think about if same comments somebody write for Gandhi family, all these lowlife so-called moron journalist will be screaming from roof top for international investigation, ban RSS, VHP, BJP.
HT should be closed down for ever.