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Christian subversion and missionary activities
That's great, it may be the first prayer offered there in almost 2000 years.

Sonia is trying to pull an Emperor Constantine on India. Just like that Roman emperor the Christo-fascists cut off funding to Hindu institutions and are trying to destroy Hindu leaders. The xtian nut in Andhra Pradesh is trying to do the same thing. We must fight back and learn the lessons of history.

<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Nov 19 2006, 12:43 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Nov 19 2006, 12:43 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I remembered some vedic chants regarding the solar deity Mitra and offered my pranams.  <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very interesting account. The last pagan roman emperor Julian has a hymn to the solar divinity. He is referred to in syncretic form as mithra-helios. Importantly he mentions a triad of solar deities which is reminiscent of mitra-varuNa-aryaman.
<b>Mumbai churches land in land scams</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mumbai: One of the biggest landowners in Mumbai is the Church of North India. But now this land is at the heart of a controversy.

While the church trust maintains that the land has to be redeveloped in order to take care of the churches that sit on them, the parishioners are not convinced.

Afghan Church in Colaba owns land of 109,000 sq ft, All Saints church in Malabar Hill owns 27,000 sq ft and St Peter's church in Mazgaon owns 120,000 sq ft – all bearing the promise of thousands of square feet of attached land.
<b>“Trust property worth crore has been misappropriated and the money realised has not been spent in line with the objectives of the trust.”

"Allotment of flats under the redevelopment scheme done to outsiders instead of beneficiaries. "

"Provident fund of the teachers withheld to the tune of Rs 7.24 lakh, while, trustees spent Rs 7.29 lakh for its board meetings from 1999-2003. "

"Over Rs 92 lakh spent as legal fees to settle trustee disputes."

“And nearly a crore was spent in legal fees just to resolve petty differences between BDTA and its various factions.”</b>

BDTA refutes all such allegations and insists that parishioners should stick to prayers.
The battle for gaining a foothold on this real estate goldmine is so fierce that even <b>the top priests have started taking sides of the various factions. And why not – when it comes to properties worth crore of rupees, spiritual matters can always take a backseat</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:devil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devilsmiley.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='devilsmiley.gif' /><!--endemo--> Are we heading towards a Christian India?
François Gautier
I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head of the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father, Jacques Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there ever was one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly every day and lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in Christianity I am proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in many western countries, Christ's message of love and compassion….

Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over India under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there are about 23.4 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a negligible amount. Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.

One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi's closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.

I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a good person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother . I share with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for over 30 years and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since she is at the top, Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in overdrive. More than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries are involved in conversion activities across different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at independence, there are 120.000 today, a 90% increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there was even an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati. Many of the North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert backing of the missionaries. In Kerala, particularly in the poor coastal districts, you find "miracle boxes" put in local churches: the gullible villager writes out a paper mentionning his wish: a fising boat, a loan for a pukka house, fees for the son's schooling… And lo, a few weeks later, the miracle happens ! And of course the whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit. During the Tsunami, entire dalit villages in Tamil Nadu were converted to Christianity with the lure of money.

It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionnaries and nuns, particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But Belgium historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus are killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the world media doesn't even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a few local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified tribal miscreants. Christian Naga terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end, and this has never been an issue with the world media, except to bewail the "oppression" of the Nagas by "Hindu India" ». More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. As recently as last week, four paramilitary Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an ambush yesterday by the outlawed United National Liberation Front (UNLF).

The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart hospital in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel, inviting everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ everywhere and a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at all. Educational institutes and orphanages run by Christian organisations have become big business in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states. In Pondichery, where I am often, schools run by Adventists force their pupils, mostly Hindus, to say Christian prayers every day and attend mass. They are constantly fed anti Hindu slogans and biases under different forms, whether it is in history books, or discourses by priests during religious classes. Even in the elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint Xavier in Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct proletization is attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards skepticism of their own religion, and admiration of whatever is Western. One should also say that it's a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers' meet on education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the Bhagavad Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginning of the day in public schools ?

Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : « We are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation and confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote communalism ». But is not actually the Congress under Mrs Gandhi, which is promoting communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and Marxists) everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand too missionnaries and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and Muslims, as recently done in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?

In my country, France, a Christian majority nation , it would be unthinkable to have Hindus – or even Indian born French for that matter – in so many positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French, non-Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the scene as Sonia Gandhi is in India. Indians like to say that the greatness of India is that it accepts a foreigner and a Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But is'nt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ? Can't we find a worthy leader amongst one billion Indians ? This is an India where you see today Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka Peeth, made to disembark from an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy dand, a thin bamboo stick which is a symbol of their spiritual designation, inside the aircraft cabin.

Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhi's helm? It would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world. For in India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashok Kumar+Nov 18 2006, 09:22 PM-->QUOTE(Ashok Kumar @ Nov 18 2006, 09:22 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I remembered some vedic chants regarding the solar deity Mitra and offered my pranams. 


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If and when I visit Italy I will make sure I offer my prayers here too. Wonder if we can make this practice more popular. Perhaps make a list of such places with a short prayer that can be offered there would be great.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashok Kumar+Nov 18 2006, 09:22 PM-->QUOTE(Ashok Kumar @ Nov 18 2006, 09:22 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->  Although right outside there was a disclaimer saying that letting that statue be there was only meant to let people know about the one true god through a counter-example.


Did you take a picture of this disclaimer ?

<b>November 16, 2006 Robertson Says All Other Religions Worship "Demonic Powers"</b>

A viewer wrote in to ask Pat Robertson a question

<i>Why [do] evangelical Christians tell non-Christians that Jesus (God) is the only way to Heaven? Those who are Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, etc. already know and have a relationship with God. Why is this? It seems disrespectful.</i>

Robertson replied that it is not all disrespectful because all other religions really just worship "demonic powers."

No. They don't have a relationship. There is the god of the Bible, who is Jehovah. When you see L-O-R-D in caps, that is the name. It's not Allah, it's not Brahma, it's not Shiva, it's not Vishnu, it's not Buddha. It is Jehovah God. They don't have a relationship with him. He is *the* God of all Gods. *These others are mostly demonic powers. Sure they're demons. *There are many demons in the world.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wonder if we can make this practice more popular. Perhaps make a list of such places with a short prayer that can be offered there would be great. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think there is still some danger in popularising prayers to the ancient Gods of Italy, and Greece especially. In Greece, because of the inevitable renewed interest in their true Gods, the scary christos have started destroying the remnants of old temples which had until recent times been abandoned. This is only because Greeks had started visiting these temple remnants again. So the christoterrorists felt it incumbent upon themselves to be loyal to their religion and its doctrines (that is, practise christianity faithfully), by finishing the work they started in the early centuries CE and completely destroying these temples because they were becoming popular and attracting people again.
See for instance
and http://ethnikoi.org/kalivrisi.html <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christian churches have been routinely built on top of destroyed ancient temples using the ruins as building materials.  This is still practised today!  In northern Greece, at the village Kali Vrisi, 60 km west of the city of Drama, an ancient temple of Dionysus was discovered a few years ago. On the ancient site and exactly on top of the ruins, a Christian chapel was erected.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And there's a video called Contemporary attacks against Hellenic sacred sites (video)
Christos are afraid, very afraid. Yes, let them be afraid, because the christianity meme has every reason to fear.

Of course, that does not stop us from silently offering our sincere respect to the true Gods if we happen to visit these parts of the world. When the coast is clear for the reverted Greeks and Italians, and they can worship more publicly in their sacred places without the usual christo intolerance rearing its ugly head, we can do so too.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Controversy over Pope's St Thomas remarks among Kerala Christians</b>

November 22, 2006 16:45 IST

Controversy is raging in the Christian community in Kerala following recent remarks by Pope Benedict XVI that <b>St Thomas had preached Christianity in "western" India from where it spread to other parts of the country, fuelling a debate whether or not the apostle had come to southern India.</b>

The community in Kerala believes that St Thomas came to this part in AD 52 and had established seven and half churches.

The community considers St Thomas as the 'Father in Faith' of Christians in India.

The present Pope, in a pronouncement at St Peter's Square in Vatican recently, spoke of St Thomas the apostle, seemingly taking away from him the traditional title 'Apostle of India'.

Though he did not actually use the expression 'Apostle of Pakistan', what he said may seem to imply it, said an article by George Nedungatt, a faculty member of the Oriental Pontifical Institute, Rome, in Satya Deepam, a mouthpiece of the Syro-Malabar church.

The article said the Pope's predecessors had on several occasions referred to St Thomas as the Apostle of India.

However, differing from this view, Pope Benedict feels the area St Thomas evangelised was not south India, but what he called "western India" corresponding roughly to today's Pakistan, said the article.

The Pope, addressing a vast crowd at St Peter's Square, is said to have stated, "Thomas first evanglised Syria and Persia and then penetrated as far as western India from where Christianity also reached south India".

According to the Pope, <b>while north-western India was evangelised by St Thomas, south India was not evangelised by him.</b>

He does not specify who first preached the gospel in south India; whether it was some disciple or disciples of the apostle himself or others in the post-apostolic age or later, the article said.

As the Pope sees it, south India was not evangelised by St Thomas, but by Christians from north-western India, seemingly at a later priod.

<b>"The Thomas Christians of south India, both Catholic and others are not likely to be thankful for this papal statement. </b>This is a clear departure from the pronouncements of his predecessors," the article said.

Church sources say there is scholarly debate on the evidence on whether St Thomas came to India and Kerala.

Historical proofs are the Gospel of St Thomas and Act of Thomas, the sources said. From these there are evidences that St Thomas came to India. But it is not clear whether he had come to western India or south India, the sources said adding, the geography of the country was different earlier.

Several Popes have asserted the origin of south Indian Christianity from the Apostle Thomas. Pope John Paul V in 1606 erected the diocoese of San Thomas of Mylapore "because there lay buried the body of St Thomas," the article said.

Establishing the hierarchy of the Latin Catholic church in India in 1886, Pope Leo XIII referred to India as having first received the light of the gospel from Apostle Thomas.

During the apostolic visit to India in 1986, Pope John Paul II visited the Mylapore tomb (in present day Chennai) and in a brief discourse, he is said to have cited the words of Apostle Thomas to his companions, it said.

In 1990, while raising the Syro-Malabar church as a major archepiscopal church, Pope John Paul II wrote that this church "as the constant tradition holds, owed its origin to the preaching of Apostle St Thomas."

The article said the Pope may have stepped on unfamiliar ground. The evangelisation of south India by north Indian Christianity is a new theory.

The Pope has 'ignored' the Indian tradition about the evanglisation of south India by Apostle Thomas and sets aside the clear and repeated statements of his predecessors supporting the tradition.

"In short, he denies the apostolic origin of the churches of the Thomas Christians by excluding Apostle Thomas from the evangelisation of south India," it said.

In 2002, the 1,950th anniversary of St Thomas' arrival in Kerala was celebrated by the Sryo-Malabar church in which the papal delegate had participated, sources pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wal-Mart will put "Christmas" back into the holidays this year, the retailer plans to announce Thursday.

A year after religious and other groups boycotted retailers, including Wal-Mart (WMT), for downplaying Christmas, the world's largest retail chain will have an in-your-face Christmas theme this year.

"<b>We, quite frankly, have learned a lesson from last year</b>," says Wal-Mart spokeswoman Linda Blakley. "We're not afraid to use the term 'Merry Christmas.' We'll use it early, and we'll use it often." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wal-Mart Stores Inc.'s Christmas cheer seems to be a hot trend this season as several other retailers including Kohl's Corp. and Macy's, a division of Federated Department Stores Inc., are also stepping up their Christmas marketing. <b>The moves respond to mounting criticism from religious groups that staged boycotts against Wal-Mart and other merchants after they eliminated or de-emphasized "Christmas" in their advertising.</b>

"<b>We learned a lesson from that. Merry Christmas is now part of the vocabulary here at Wal-Mart,</b>" said Linda Blakley, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Missionary booked for publishing objectionable handbills</b>
24 November, 2006
Mumbai: A Christian missionary and organizer named Sunil Samuel Kelvin had organised a program for conversion of faith, in the name of healing incurable diseases through miracles, at Mahakavi Kalidas Natyamandir, Mumbai on the 6 th November at 5 p.m. For this purpose, he had also published handbills containing objectionable advertisements.

In accordance with a complaint filed with the Mulund Police Station by Shri. Kashiram Parab, Convener of the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (HJS), on the 5th November, 2006, the police have registered a cognizable offence under the 'Drug and Magic Remedies Act (Objectionable Advertisements) 1954'. Sunil Kelvin, the Christian missionary, had published handbills containing objectionable and illegal information under the title 'Live in the Spirit'.

<b>He had made an indirect plot to convert the poor through these handbills by making claims about curing incurable diseases. The surprising fact is that the handbill did not have names of the printer, publisher and the organisation. Taking notice of this fact, the HJS filed a written complaint against the organisers, at the Mulund Police Station.

Accordingly, the Mulund Police interrogated Sunil Samuel Kelvin, the organizer of the program. The police have registered a cognizable offence against Kelvin under the 'Drug and Magic Remedies Act (Objectionable Advertisements) 1954'.</b>

This case has been a second success story for the HJS' mission. In a similar case that occurred in January 2006 at Vasai Road, Father John Matthew had claimed to cure incurable diseases by miracles through prayers. At that time, after being warned by the HJS about conducting agitations, the police arrested Father John Matthew and stopped his program. The HJS appeals to all Hindus to be alert and fight against fake Christian missionaries through constitutional means.
The HJS appeals to all Hindus to be alert and fight against fake Christian missionaries through constitutional means.

<i>Fake </i> Christian missionaries - is there any <i>other</i> kind?

The more appropriate warning would be 'fight against <i>all </i> christian missionaries.'
Regarding Christian missionaries, I'd like to know a few things from a Hindutvad perspective.

#1 What exactly is the view regarding them?

#2 Do Hindutvads wish to see them leave?

#3 How they propose to bring that about? Force?

#4 If Hidnutvas want all missionaries out, what happens to schools, hospitals and social service orgs funded by them? Will they be closed down? Won't the common man suffer?

#5 Or, do Hindutvads want missionaries to do social work without indulging in conversion activites?

Can someone please help me on this? I understand the problem of missionaries, but not sure what Hindus propose to do, because more problems may crop up without their presence. Or, do you have some other grand agenda, which I am failing to see. So far, I've read posts on their dubious activities, but haven't come across a practical solution to this nuisance. Is there a solution at all that's both practical and efficacious? <!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

This threads running in it's 7th version for over 3 years with couple 1000 posts. Please spend some time with that. Govt of India's report by "non-Hindutvad" Nyogi commission report is also linked to. Mahatma Gandhi's and Vivekananda's opinion linked in here too. Please read these and then we can take this further. Till then please spend some time with some of your own specifics in the 'Left-ism' thread.
<b>Conversions, a trade in Kashmir? </b>
Srinagar: The grieving family of Bashir Ahmed Tantray, a Christian convert who was shot in this sleepy Pattan village, is scared after his death.

<b>He had been accused of converting poor Muslims by offering them money and his family denies these allegations and says he was killed for embracing Christianity.</b>

“If Bashir had converted, that was his will. They should have brought him back to Islam by convincing him, not killing him,” says Tantray's brother, Nazir Ahmad

<b>There are close to 2000 families who have converted to Christianity in Kashmir. Christian Evangelists say Kashmiris are joining their faith by choice, and no money or any other form of incentive is offered in return.</b>

“We don't go to ask them to get converted. They come to us and ask us to follow our way and we welcome them. Christian church is not a rich church and we don't have resources. It is a complete misunderstanding. Most people love peace of mind and if they find peace of mind in Christianity, that is what they are looking for,” says pastor of church of North India, Yonathan Paljor.

However, some people allege that converts are given quality education and job opportunities abroad. Like Tantray's children, who are studying in India's best colleges, something that would be hard for him to afford with a salary of Rs 15,000 a month.

Meanwhile, Muslim scholars are not too pleased with the issue.

“If conversions are happening by paying money. It is very wrong. Even Christianity does not allow it,” says Chairman, Jamaitul Ahlihadees, Showkat Ahmad.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This dissertation acknowledges the need for Church PlantingMovements
among the unreached peoples of India. Of particular concern to
this study is the application of Church Planting Movement strategy to
forward caste Hindus of India.It traces the historical development of
group or people movementstrategy and then compares that strategy with
traditional missionaryapproaches in India. It shows that evangelizing
households is the primarystrategy of the New Testament and the most
appropriate strategy forinitiating Church Planting Movements. The thesis
carefully examines salvation understanding in the Hindu context and its
relationship to the caste system. All of this lays a foundation for a
proper approach to evangelization of forward caste Hindus in light of the
fact that there have been no documented Church Planting Movements among
forward caste Hindus in all of India.

The paper concludes that the best approach to facilitating a Church
Planting Movement among forward caste Hindus is by not planting
churches. As contradictory as this sounds, the paper shows that
Christian disciples remaining within Hindu culture and familial systems holds
the potential for the most indigenous approach to establishing
multiplying churches among forward caste Hindus.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Behind The Scene: CM's son-in-law behind missionaries!

The aggressive stand being taken by Christian missionaries in the last couple of years is obviously pointing towards Chief Minister Dr Y S Rajasekhar Reddy. Though he is not directly encouraging the misisonaries to deliberately intrude into the Hindu religious institutions, his indifferent attitude towards such activities is causing a lot of concern among the Hindus.

The man behind such activities of missionaries is said to be Anil Kumar, son-in-law of the Chief Minister, who is actively touring all parts of the State, preaching Christian gospels. He is encouraging the Churches to take up aggressive campaign and this has emboldened the missionaries to interfer in the sacred places of Hindus.

It is learnt that Chief Minister's advisors suggested to him to see that this does not go beyond a limit, lest it would result in large scale religious conflicts in the State.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Religious conflicts on the rise in YSR rule!

It may sound rather exaggeration or mere coincidence, but observers say religious conflicts have gone up eversince Chief Minister Dr Y S Rajasekhar Reddy came to power in the State in 2004.

Especially, Christians who were lying low before 2004 have now stepped up their activities even in Hindu religious places like Tirumala, which was never heard of in the past. What would one call the distribution of pamphlets in Vaikuntham queue complex of Tirumala by Christian preachers, appointment of a Christian-convert as Special Officer of TTD and other Christians in Sri Venkateshwara University and Padmavathi Mahila University? This may appear totally inadvertant, but it is leading to religious conflicts all over the State.

Nowhere in the country was so much fuss about release of the film "Da Vinci Code" as it is now in Andhra Pradesh. Those who did not even read the book are staging dharnas and attacking theatres. It is better the Chief Minister does not create an impression that he is favouring one particular region, hurting the sentiments of the others. If that happens, AP may become another Gujarat in the coming days.

Old news but shows the not so innocent side of xtians:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tripura tribals fight for religious freedom
Author: Sanjib Deb
Publication: The Asian Age
Date: April 12, 2001
The rivalry between the two outlawed militant out fits has taken a turn for the worse with the All-Tripura Tiger Force deciding to oppose the proselytisation of the tribal society to Christianity by the National Liberation Front of Tripura. They also urged all sections of people to prevent any such attempt.
In a statement issued on the eve of the Garia Puja, the biggest religious festival of Hindu tribals in Tripura, the ATTF president Mr Ranjit Debbarma said they will take stern action against any attempt to disrupt the festival. The festival is scheduled to begin from April 14 and continue for a week.

Clarifying their position on religious issue the ATTF supremo said, “Everyone is free to practise the religion of his choice.” He also criticised the NLFT for interfering with the social affairs of the tribals and forcibly converting people to Christianity. He condemned the NLFT for killing Hindu religious leaders, including popular saint Shanti Kumar Tripura and Vaishnava Mahants Tachhidas Reang and Sanjit Reang, last year. Earlier the NLFT had issued a ban on participation of tribals in any kind of Hindu festival including Garia Puja. It had provoked widespread protest from the tribal society and the Jamatya hoda (Community council), the highest body of the orthodox Hindu tribal Jamatya community, launched air agitation.

The ATTF which was silent over the issue all along appears to have issued the statement in a bid to carry with the popular sentiment of the tribals. However, the police is worried over the new development and is fearing a fresh bout of violence between the two outfits who are already fighting each other over maintaining supremacy in the tribal areas. Meanwhile, the Jamatya Hoda has also decided to defy the NLFT’s ban and celebrate the Garia Puja in the traditional way. The governor Lt. Gen. (retired) Krisnamohan Seth will inaugurate the festival in Bagma under the Udaipur subdivision of South Tripura district on April 14.

These things still continue while the xtians claim religious persecution.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Girls fraudulently converted for Solapur college admission

By Umesh Mohite | Monday, November 27, 2006 11:36:17 IST

Bogus trustees forced girls to Christianity, misused management quota, knocked off money for admission in D. Ed. college

A writ petition before the High Court division bench of Chief Justice H. S. Bedi and Justice V. M. Kanade has revealed that anything is possible when it comes to admissions in schools and colleges. It could go to such level of desperation that students could fall prey to the ploy of bogus trustees, get  converted  to Christianity so as to make them eligible to avail management quotas, pay money and get admitted.  The false trustees who did not allow the genuine principal and teachers to have access to their offices, even exceeded the allotted management seats from 21 to 36.  Two criminal complaints have been lodged in the matter but it seems that the court’s intervention is inevitable.
The admission for the first year D.Ed. course in Mary B. Harding College, Solapur, for 2005-06 saw 36 out of a total of 60 students getting admission in the management quota when there were only 21 reservations for girls from the Christian community. On top of that, only eight of the 36 girls were Christians and the others got converted during the admission process.  Obviously, the School Education and Sports Department of the state government has not allowed the girls to take the exam in the academic year 2006, forcing them to come to the High Court.  The 36 girls seeking relief have blamed the college principal, Mrs. B. B. Kulkarni, whom they alleged had mismanaged the management quota and delayed the process of submitting their documents to
the authorities.
However, the principal in her turn submitted that the college is run by a trust called ‘Marathi Mission’ for the last six years. And there are people who object to the trustees. Nine such persons forcibly acquired charge of the college office on November 17, 2005 removing the principal and others from their cabins. All the documents, cupboards and files were taken charge of and one of the nine persons, Mrs. Vanita Mackenzie, became the principal in place of Mrs. Kulkarni.
A complaint was lodged against the nine persons including three women at the Sadar Bazar police station under Section 451, 341, 323, 504, 506 of the IPC but the police have hardly made any investigation in the case. When a writ was filed in the high court, the court restored Mrs. Kulkarni as the principal. However, the nine persons had fraudulently given admission to several students in the management quota. In fact, they forced students to adopt Christianity so that they could be accommodated in reserved seats. Lakhs of rupees were collected by these trustees and the same had been deposited in Bank of India.
The principal lodged a separate court case in the district court against the nine seeking action against them for fraud, keeping official documents in their possession and alleged forceful conversion. Advocate Sutar appearing for the principal claims that the copies of the gazette show that the students had got converted after the admission process started. The rule says that one needs to have been converted for at least five years to avail of reserved quota on the basis of religion, cast or creed. Also, because of the fraud, the college has already received notice from the National Council of Teachers Education for changing the intake rules.  The court has adjourned the case to December 4.

Ashok, With your prayer you have done the prathisthana of the deity. Will visit St Clements in Rome when we go there and think of you too.

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