Going back to the ANI/ASI headache (welcomed by many); the N derived clade W quite obviously originated in S Asia with a later input into Europe. This is a non-R N clade. The M clades are restricted to Asia, and these are the so-called ASI, but the N clades (like W) also localize to S Asia, not to mention the R (Rohani) clades. Anything less than perfect concentric expansion with full retention of initial diversity is an excuse to reject Indian place as Eurasian Eden. By such measure, Africa itself can be eliminated as the origin!! -- why no L2 and L1 in Asia!!.
Pre-N localizes to Malaysia.
http://www.thecid.com/w/when.htm
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When did Ws split from the N haplogroup? Only research published in the last year, based on extensive tests of Asian populations, has provided a more complete answer to this question. The first migration of modern humans out of Africa began 60,000 to 80,000 years ago. Among these were ancestors of the the M and N haplogroups, descended from the African L3. These first Eurasian descendents of genetic Eve are believed to have expanded quickly along the Indian Ocean coastline (in this period there was dry land across what are now the mouths of the Red Sea and Persian Gulf). A<b>fter a quick initial expansion along the coast, all the way to Australia, there was a slower conquest of the interior of Asia. Wilma, the first member of the W haplogroup, was born between 49,000 and 26,800 years ago in what is now northwest India or northern Pakistan. </b>In the same area and in the same time periods women of the U7 and R2 haplogroups were born as well.
By between 40,700 and 23,300 years ago, these people were distributed in a band across southwest Asia, from <b>Anatolia </b>to northern India (the salmon-colored swath on the map). By a third route, through the valleys of Kashmir, a small group of W people reached <b>central Asia</b> between 36,000 and 19,100 years ago.
With the onset of the last glacial maximum, the area became extremely arid and the mountains blocked by glaciers. There are indications that the W-U7-R2 people were broken into two groups, separated by an arid desert that stretched from the Indian Ocean up to the glacier-bound Asian mountains. These tribes managed to survive in two areas of 'glacial refuge' (the red zones on ..
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..With the exception of the diverse set of largely Indian-specific R lineages, the most frequent mtDNA haplogroup in India that derives from the phylogenetic node N is haplogroup W. The frequency peak of haplogroup W is 5% in the northwestern states - Gujarat, Punjab and Kashmir. Elsewhere in India its frequency is very low (from 0 to 0.9%) W and the other form a significant spatial cline. Coalescence estimates and diversity values for mtDNA haplogroup W in <b>India: 37,900</b> ± 11,100 / 0.883 ; <b>Near and Middle East: 32,000 </b>± 8,700 / 0.934; <b>Central Asia 27,400</b> ± 8,300 / 0.758. Although haplogroup W
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Pre-N localizes to Malaysia.
http://www.thecid.com/w/when.htm
<img src='http://www.thecid.com/w/wmigrations.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When did Ws split from the N haplogroup? Only research published in the last year, based on extensive tests of Asian populations, has provided a more complete answer to this question. The first migration of modern humans out of Africa began 60,000 to 80,000 years ago. Among these were ancestors of the the M and N haplogroups, descended from the African L3. These first Eurasian descendents of genetic Eve are believed to have expanded quickly along the Indian Ocean coastline (in this period there was dry land across what are now the mouths of the Red Sea and Persian Gulf). A<b>fter a quick initial expansion along the coast, all the way to Australia, there was a slower conquest of the interior of Asia. Wilma, the first member of the W haplogroup, was born between 49,000 and 26,800 years ago in what is now northwest India or northern Pakistan. </b>In the same area and in the same time periods women of the U7 and R2 haplogroups were born as well.
By between 40,700 and 23,300 years ago, these people were distributed in a band across southwest Asia, from <b>Anatolia </b>to northern India (the salmon-colored swath on the map). By a third route, through the valleys of Kashmir, a small group of W people reached <b>central Asia</b> between 36,000 and 19,100 years ago.
With the onset of the last glacial maximum, the area became extremely arid and the mountains blocked by glaciers. There are indications that the W-U7-R2 people were broken into two groups, separated by an arid desert that stretched from the Indian Ocean up to the glacier-bound Asian mountains. These tribes managed to survive in two areas of 'glacial refuge' (the red zones on ..
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..With the exception of the diverse set of largely Indian-specific R lineages, the most frequent mtDNA haplogroup in India that derives from the phylogenetic node N is haplogroup W. The frequency peak of haplogroup W is 5% in the northwestern states - Gujarat, Punjab and Kashmir. Elsewhere in India its frequency is very low (from 0 to 0.9%) W and the other form a significant spatial cline. Coalescence estimates and diversity values for mtDNA haplogroup W in <b>India: 37,900</b> ± 11,100 / 0.883 ; <b>Near and Middle East: 32,000 </b>± 8,700 / 0.934; <b>Central Asia 27,400</b> ± 8,300 / 0.758. Although haplogroup W
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